German Muscle vs. Japanese Hustle (335i vs IS350)

[BlkCD5]

I actually think its odd/neat in a way. Some would never think Bmw would go to FI as a means of power. I mean look at Acura putting out its first turbocharged suv, when their company lineup consists of mainly N/A motors.

Originally posted by CleanCLHave you ever driven an X5 4.8, E53 or the new body style?

It outruns/out performs/out handles the Porsche Cayenne Turbo

No, i don't think the Dealership or owner would trust me in one of those . I heard the X5 does pack a punch, although I wouldn't classify a suv in a sports type category.

[CleanCL]

man that thing is sporty as shit.

[1SICKLEX]

Have you ever driven an X5 4.8, E53 or the new body style?

It outruns/out performs/out handles the Porsche Cayenne Turbo

I disagree. It handles extremely well for a SUV but there is no better handling or more powerful SUV than a Cayenne Turbo S.

520hp and every expert states no SUV handles better.

Porsche> BMW + Lexus when it comes to sport.

[OneSlow5pt0]

I disagree. It handles extremely well for a SUV but there is no better handling or more powerful SUV than a Cayenne Turbo S.

520hp and every expert states no SUV handles better.

Porsche> BMW + Lexus when it comes to sport.

x2..porsche cayenne is the shit dizzle

but id probbly take a Benz suv over a BMW

[1SICKLEX]

x2..porsche cayenne is the shit dizzle

but id probbly take a Benz suv over a BMW

The AMG ML and G wagon are beasts. We had a guy in a AMG Kleeman G-wagon at our SELOC/GA3S drag day and he was running high 11s in the 1/4!!!

[d993s]

I disagree. It handles extremely well for a SUV but there is no better handling or more powerful SUV than a Cayenne Turbo S.

520hp and every expert states no SUV handles better.

Porsche> BMW + Lexus when it comes to sport.

Agreed.

[OneSlow5pt0]

damn.......

[Jaimecbr900]

Tell 'em Mike.....

[BlkCD5]

Are we done yet?

[d993s]

Are we done yet?

No...............








Lexus= BMW wannabe

Lexus= GAY

BMW= sets the standard in this class

Lexus= tries to keep up with BMW, but fails

Lexus IS= was brought out to compete with the 3 series











I can add more. Ok, nevermind.

[d993s]

Will the Japs EVER set the standard???
Even the new Nissan GTR is a competitor for the 911TT.

[OneSlow5pt0]

No...............








Lexus= BMW wannabe

Lexus= GAY

BMW= sets the standard in this class

Lexus= tries to keep up with BMW, but fails

Lexus IS= was brought out to compete with the 3 series











I can add more. Ok, nevermind.

u forgat benz > bmw

[OneSlow5pt0]

Will the Japs EVER set the standard???
Even the new Nissan GTR is a competitor for the 911TT.

idk,i always hold euro over japan and america

[d993s]

u forgat benz > bmw

Lately, yeah, but mainly because of their higher HP.
Let's hope quality improves to what Mercedes was until the early 1990's.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Lately, yeah, but mainly because of their higher HP.
Let's hope quality improves to what Mercedes was until the early 1990's.

yea,90s...was BMW's time,now Benz putting alot more power in their cars

kinda what cadillac is doin for american cars....i am loving what caddie is doin now

[Mike Lowrey]

BMW could fit a 330 hp I6 in the e46 chassis but no way they could have done it to the E92? You are a moron. Do you think they put that motor in there because they had to? What a douch bag.

It would not give them the performance they needed to one-up the Lexus motor. The M3 had a 3.2l I6 with 333hp and 262tq. And in the 3415 lb M3 went from 0-60 in 5s with a 1/4 mile of around 13.6s. The IS350 had a 3.5l V6 with 306hp (*under the old measure of hp would have been around 320-330hp) and 277tq. The 3500 lb Lexus went from 0-60 in 5.1s and the 1/4 mile in around 13.7s. Putting the 3.2l motor from the M3 would not have gotten the performance that BMW was looking for, hence my comment for the choice was to go FI.

Gatorfag was implying that they went FI because they did not know how to install a bigger NA I6 without "redesinging the chassis" What a moron.

Read above shit-stain. The M3 motor was not enough. I have personally run M3's in my IS350 and run side-by-side with them. The performance is very, very close. At the track, I have run 13.4's with a stock IS350. The 335 with the 3.2l engine would not have been enough to beat IS350 in power.

[Mike Lowrey]

Any one of BMWs line up could be classified as a sports car/sport luxury

Let us not cross words here. This comment is incorrect. BMW makes sports sedans mostly with a few "sports cars" as well.

[OneSlow5pt0]

only BMW sports car ,that i know is the Z series

[1SICKLEX]

Will the Japs EVER set the standard???
Even the new Nissan GTR is a competitor for the 911TT.

The 911 Turbo is a 110k plus car
The GT-R will be 70k
Not bad
Do I need to list every comparison a Japanese car beat the Germans? Don't be so biased b/c it makes you look like you need to read your avatar.

[jdogg319]

is350 enough said

[CleanCL]

I disagree. It handles extremely well for a SUV but there is no better handling or more powerful SUV than a Cayenne Turbo S.

520hp and every expert states no SUV handles better.

Porsche> BMW + Lexus when it comes to sport.

thats why I didnt say the Turbo S, turbo S gets it owns the 4.8

Cayenne Turbo S > X5 4.8
Cayenne, Cayenne S, Cayenne Turbo < X5 4.8

[CleanCL]

its interesting how close the pole is.

[IndianStig]

Nowing the potential of the 335i and still getting the rush I get out of spirited driving, a nice 6 speed manual 335i would be my pick. However, if I just wanted a kick ass stylish commuter, I'd take the IS350.

Two kick ass companies in a huge rivlary FTW!

[superboost]

Nowing the potential of the 335i and still getting the rush I get out of spirited driving, a nice 6 speed manual 335i would be my pick. However, if I just wanted a kick ass stylish commuter, I'd take the IS350.

Two kick ass companies in a huge rivlary FTW!

Very true. When you have rivalries like that, only the customer wins.

[GGPIS3]

didn't read this whole thread, but here's my .02



performance wise, the 335i wins.

everything else wise, the is350 wins.


the 335i is a great platform, or so it seems, if you want a classy, sporty vehicle with good performance and is easily upgradeable.. for only 1,200-1,500 you can get up to 350 rwhp and over 400 rwtq.. thats not bad at all. one thing i hate about the 335i is the terrible placement of the cupholders... i done broke my knee on them and broke the passenger one on my friends car...

i ofcourse love the IS350... but i hate that its not offered in a manual and the performance side of the aftermarket world has yet to really offer anything really substantial.

price is another issue.. i hear that people are paying over 60K in california for the 335i while the IS350 is now being heavily discounted.

reliability... bar none... lexus is the shit!

service... bmw can't touch lexus service.. they dont even come close.

[kingkong]

I would go with the Lexus just because it is N/A
think about the IS350 with a twin turbo

[BlkCD5]

Sadly to say lexus fucks up by not offering the top of the line models in manual. Same thing with benz's as well. Correct me if im wrong, but when the IS300 debuted, it only came in auto/sport shift, while the 3 series always had the manual as an option.

[lsxtreme]

I'll take a Lexus over a BMW any day.

+1

[b16ftw]

hmm... bmw ftw?

[DinanM3atl]

I read through random parts of the thread.

1. Cupholders? WTF this is a "sports sedan" shootout. Who the fuck cares about cup holders. BMW builds CARS not restaurants.

2. IS-F what? BMW M3 will be a 4 door. 400hp V8. It will be better than the IS-F and won't be ugly as fuck

3. What does it mean BMW can't touch Lexus service?

4. BMW is the ultimate driving machine for a reason. When someone makes a new sports coupe what do they compare it to? Oh yah the M3. When someone makes a new sports sedan what does it get compared to? Oh yah the 3 series. Do you think there is a reason for this?

BMW makes drivers cars for the driver. The dash is angled towards the driver. The seats the gauge placements and controls. For the driver. Rear seat leg room? Who gives a fuck. The passengers aren't driving. If a car is not offered in manual it is not a sports car. That is just weak. You used to even be able to get a manual 5 and 7 series back in the day.

There is no comparison.

[DinanM3atl]

u forgat benz > bmw

At what?


Benz has ALWAYS been a Luxury Performance Car

BMW has ALWAYS been a Performance Luxury Car


If you want Luxury with some juice you get a benz. If you want a car with some juice that has some luxury you get a BMW. It is obvious because BMW offers manuals.

[OneSlow5pt0]

At what?


Benz has ALWAYS been a Luxury Performance Car

BMW has ALWAYS been a Performance Luxury Car


If you want Luxury with some juice you get a benz. If you want a car with some juice that has some luxury you get a BMW. It is obvious because BMW offers manuals.

where's BMW's supercar?

AMG > M power

[BlkCD5]

originally posted by DinanM3atl
BMW is the ultimate driving machine

not trying to start shit, but this is an opinionated statement even though its their motto. Lets just say the comparison is just a bit twisted. Would you even give lexus credit for trying? Did anyone read my comparison between the two companies? Seems like most Bmw owners are more hostile towards a car that can potentially undercut them in some aspects.

Originally posted by DinanM3atl
What does it mean BMW can't touch Lexus service?

Meaning customer satisfaction. I believe they're reports on this.

[1SICKLEX]

I read through random parts of the thread.

1. Cupholders? WTF this is a "sports sedan" shootout. Who the fuck cares about cup holders. BMW builds CARS not restaurants.
Then what the fuck is I-drive?

2. IS-F what? BMW M3 will be a 4 door. 400hp V8. It will be better than the IS-F and won't be ugly as fuck

3. What does it mean BMW can't touch Lexus service?

4. BMW is the ultimate driving machine for a reason. When someone makes a new sports coupe what do they compare it to? Oh yah the M3. When someone makes a new sports sedan what does it get compared to? Oh yah the 3 series. Do you think there is a reason for this?

BMW makes drivers cars for the driver. The dash is angled towards the driver. The seats the gauge placements and controls. For the driver. Rear seat leg room? Who gives a fuck. The passengers aren't driving. If a car is not offered in manual it is not a sports car. That is just weak. You used to even be able to get a manual 5 and 7 series back in the day.

There is no comparison.

1. THen what is I-drive? Why is there a knob instead of buttons. Why does it take 5 hours to figure out how to raise the volume on the radio?
2. BMW's M division is legendary and rightfully so. I love M cars. Lexus has a F division after only 18 years on the market. Its their first attempt. The M1 and E30 M3 were not perfect either. Give them props for trying, Infiniti nor Acura have a division like this.
3.THey can't. BMW service is awful, don't try to refute that, you would sound like an idiot. Its a given. THey have NEVER COME CLOSE to winning any customer satisfaction awards. Service is not their strong point.
4. Yes, BMWs are great when they WANT TO BE. Stock BMWs with 5" wheels handle okay and MOST of them are sold that way. Porsche destroys any BMW. They do make great sports sedans, no one can take that away from BMW. THey are fantastic to drive and own.

Oh and welcome to 2002 with the 745. NO BMW DASHES ARE NOW ANGLED TO THE DRIVER. They are now very styled with flat dashes with double humps when they have NAV. WHAT are you talking about? They did it to cut costs, its easier to build and cheaper to build these new dashes than the angled ones.

I LOVE the old BMW angled dashes and sad they lost it. Damn Bangle.
Old BMW interiors

NEW ones




Funny but the Lexus IS and GS interiors are angled to the driver. lol






Make no mistake about it, I own and love Lexus but I also love BMW. Great cars and they have made Lexus a better company. I will own a M car someday. Please post logically and both brands and not the ridiculous BMW sucks/Lexus sucks childish banter.

[BobbyFresco]

I read through random parts of the thread.

1. Cupholders? WTF this is a "sports sedan" shootout. Who the fuck cares about cup holders. BMW builds CARS not restaurants.

2. IS-F what? BMW M3 will be a 4 door. 400hp V8. It will be better than the IS-F and won't be ugly as fuck

3. What does it mean BMW can't touch Lexus service?

4. BMW is the ultimate driving machine for a reason. When someone makes a new sports coupe what do they compare it to? Oh yah the M3. When someone makes a new sports sedan what does it get compared to? Oh yah the 3 series. Do you think there is a reason for this?

BMW makes drivers cars for the driver. The dash is angled towards the driver. The seats the gauge placements and controls. For the driver. Rear seat leg room? Who gives a fuck. The passengers aren't driving. If a car is not offered in manual it is not a sports car. That is just weak. You used to even be able to get a manual 5 and 7 series back in the day.

There is no comparison.

Will rep when I can...
Well said....

[Mike Lowrey]

3. What does it mean BMW can't touch Lexus service?

Don't be stupid. There is no contest here. They are not evey in the same universe with respect to service and reliability.

BMW makes drivers cars for the driver. The dash is angled towards the driver. The seats the gauge placements and controls. For the driver. Rear seat leg room? Who gives a fuck. The passengers aren't driving. If a car is not offered in manual it is not a sports car. That is just weak. You used to even be able to get a manual 5 and 7 series back in the day.

I really wish people would stop trying to say that BMW's are sports cars. Most BMW vehicles are sport sedans (i.e. sporty sedan). There is nothing "sports car" about a 3 series.

There is no comparison.

Actually there IS a comparison. I have always wondered why the BMW crowd got so defensive when the IS350 came out. The IS350 is some areas is better than the BMW and in other areas it is not as good. Competition is good for all consumers.



Message to BMW 3-series nut-swingers:

Your car is not the ultimate vehicle. It is not the best car in the world. It is not a sports car.

[DinanM3atl]

where's BMW's supercar?

AMG > M power

When McLaren was motor shopping for the F1 I am pretty sure they ended up with a BMW

They also had the M1 way back in the day. Since when do you need a "supercar" to be a top car manufacturer?

Don't be stupid. There is no contest here. They are not evey in the same universe with respect to service and reliability.

I will have to give you this. New BMWs suck for reliability. I don't own anything past 99 and will never own anything past 04 or 05 when I get a new M3 sometime soon.

I really wish people would stop trying to say that BMW's are sports cars. Most BMW vehicles are sport sedans (i.e. sporty sedan). There is nothing "sports car" about a 3 series.

How are they not? Please explain.

Actually there IS a comparison. I have always wondered why the BMW crowd got so defensive when the IS350 came out. The IS350 is some areas is better than the BMW and in other areas it is not as good. Competition is good for all consumers.

The BMW is better where the "sports sedan" matters and not as good where it doesn't. Cup Holders(My e30 doesn't even have them at all and if you weigh more than 200 lbs you can't fit in the sports seat.) Rear Leg Room? Trunk Space?

Message to BMW 3-series nut-swingers:

Your car is not the ultimate vehicle. It is not the best car in the world. It is not a sports car.

My m3 is pretty damn good. It has 0-60 times comparable with Large American V8s. It can out handle many cars triple its price. 97 it won best handling car at any price. Beat a 355, viper, prelude SH(this won for under 20 or 25 i think) and an NSX(OMG NO WAY?!?!?!) It is a drivers race stock verse stock to a NSX.

There is a REASON mags compare new cars to M3s and 3 series. There is a reason why when lexus wanted to make a sports sedan they tried to better the 3 series... Because it is the best.


I know I come off like a douche bag and that is fine. The problem is 7/8th of you guys have never driven an M3 or a 3 series and yet you call me a nut swinger. Well drive the car like it is meant to be driven and then make a comparison. Come drive an M3 at Road Atlanta and see what the car is really about. Don't arm chair debate on the internet through here say and call me a nut swinger.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i like BMW,hell my dad drives a 328,i drive it all the time.........but it is the most uncomfortable car to drive,drivers car my ass....my miata,RX-7,and celica are all more comfortable..

id rather drive my slow celica,than his faster 328

[DinanM3atl]

your on crack sir

[ISAtlanta300]

...nutswinger.... (LOL)