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roadsters were the first sports cars
ie, corvette
Just VW has had 2 FWD true sports cars over the years, which is the Sirocco from the 80's, and the Corrado. Both of these are true sports cars, not just a sportier version of the Golf, which is the GTI.
I actually consider my MK3 GTI a sports car as well, unfortunately so does my insurance company (because it is a 6-cyl).
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Both the Scirocco and Corrado where both classified as sports compacts. Very cool cars, though.Just VW has had 2 FWD true sports cars over the years, which is the Sirocco from the 80's, and the Corrado. Both of these are true sports cars, not just a sportier version of the Golf, which is the GTI.
I actually consider my MK3 GTI a sports car as well, unfortunately so does my insurance company (because it is a 6-cyl)
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Porsches and all to me are more of high end sports cars/exotics. Sports cars yes, but REALLY looking into what a sports car is to me is not a high hp monster.
Sports Car
Noun
1. A small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons.
That's webster's definition. To me though, a FWD vehicle will never be a true sports car simply because of the difficulty in keeping traction with larger HP numbers. Unlike MR and FR configurations.
Even tho I drive an FWD car (sport coupe, not sports car), I'd have to say no.
I guess ITR and CTR arent sports cars then huh
guess not. FWD dont handle near as well as RWD. Why do you think Honda made the NSX RWD??? True, superior handleing sports car are RWD...
Not meaning to step on anyones toes and hurt your feelings...the integra type r and civic type r are not "sports cars" in my opinion.
NSX, Ferrarri, Lambos, M6 = Sports car
my celica handles better than my FC
also lotus elan is sports car
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You must be joking...
nope...way tighter,but i also had crappy tires on the FC...idk,id have to drive FC againYou must be joking...
Yeah, you're crazy man. My FC (on shitty tires) handles way better than my GS-R (on good tires)
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lol..........ur probbly right, fc > celica
good thread... dont knwo where I stand.
You should head out to a track day or maybe an autocross, they are a blasty blast. I bet the celica would be pretty decent
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its auto,so no auto X...lol
yeah, they are.
Am i the only one to Wiki this?
And i quote:
A sports car is an automobile designed for performance driving. Most sports cars are rear-wheel drive, have two seats, two doors, and are designed for precise handling, acceleration, and aesthetics. A sports car's dominant considerations can be superior road handling, braking, maneuverability, low weight, and high power, rather than passenger space, comfort, and fuel economy.
Sports cars can be either luxurious[1] or spartan, but driving mechanical performance is the key attraction. Drivers regard brand name and the subsequent racing reputation and history (for example, Ferrari, Porsche, Lotus) as important indications of sporting quality, but brands such as Lamborghini, which do not race or build racing cars, are also highly regarded.
A car may be a sporting automobile without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular, production cars, such as sport compacts, sports sedans, muscle cars, hot hatches and the like, generally are not sports cars, yet share traits common to sports cars. Often, performance cars of all configurations are grouped as Sports and GT cars, or, occasionally, as performance cars.
A sports car does not require a large, powerful engine, though many do have them. Some classic British sports cars lacked powerful engines, but were known for exceptional handling due to light weight, a well-engineered, balanced chassis, and modern suspension. On tight, twisting roads, such an automobile performs more effectively than a heavier, more powerful luxury car with less maneuverability.
The drive train and engine layout determine the handling characteristics of an automobile, and is the point of the design of a sports car.
The front-engine, rear-wheel drive train layout (FR layout) is common to sports cars of any era. This configuration has survived longer in sports cars than in mainstream automobiles, because of performance, handling, cost, and packaging. Current examples include the Caterham 7, Mazda MX-5, and the Chevrolet Corvette.
In search of improved handling and weight distribution, other formats have been tried. The RMR layout is commonly found only in sports cars — the motor is centre-mounted in the chassis (closer to and behind the driver), and powers only the rear wheels. High-performance sports car and supercar manufacturers, such as Ferrari and Lamborghini prefer this layout. Many modern cars, especially grand tourers, also use a FMR layout, with the motor sitting between the front axle and the firewall.
Porsche is one of the few, remaining manufacturers using the rear-engine, rear-wheel drive layout (RR layout). The motor's distributed weight across the wheels, in a Porsche 911, provides excellent traction, but is not ideal, as the engine's weight is not between the two axles; the vehicle is poorly balanced, thus, many early Porsches handled twitchily. Yet, Porsche have continuously refined the design and, in recent years, combined engineering modifications and electronic driving aids (i.e. computerised traction-stability control) to counteract inherent design shortcomings.
Some sport cars have used the front-engine, front-wheel drive layout (FF), e.g. Lotus Elan M100, Fiat Coupé, Fiat Barchetta, Saab Sonett, and many Berkeley cars. This layout is advantageous for small, light, lower power sports cars, as it avoids the extra weight, increased transmission power loss, and packaging problems of a long driveshaft and longitudinal engine of FR vehicles. Yet, its conservative handling effect, particularly understeer, and the fact that many drivers believe FR is a more appropriate layout for a sports car makes this layout atypical to high-performance sports cars. The FF layout, however, is common in sport compacts and hot hatches, such as the Honda Civic Si and Type-R, the Volkswagen Golf GTi which are not necessarily sports cars.
Before the 1980s few sports cars used four wheel drive, which had traditionally added a lot of weight. Not a sports car, but the Audi Quattro, with coaxial driveshafts, proved its worth in rallying, and with the added advantage of all-weather traction ability and advantage. Four wheel drive is now common in high-powered sports cars, including Porsche, Lamborghini, and the Bugatti Veyron (currently holds the world speed record for 407 km/h (252 mph) supercar.
There's more but I cut most out
see compacts are not sports car
but FWD can be sports car
I think it can be. Maybe if the manufactuers intention for the car was to be a sports car.
im happy my wagon actually out handles and out accelerate some of the sports cars out there stock
http://youtube.com/watch?v=00UjCbxodno
for people that say fwd cars dont handle as good as rwd cars
http://youtube.com/watch?v=myJtjoJusgM
they seem to think that its a sports car
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SE-R autocross sport compact FTW
Good thread content.
heres a FWD sports car
that seriously makes me want my daytona back. Man i miss it.
My car is factory....
Every single performance part and or modification it has was made in a factory somewhere.
okay they can be sports cars just not good ones and not one that anyone who has OWNED OR DRIVE A PROPER SPORTS CAR would want.
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heey the IROC R/T was the fastest production 4cyl at the time
Sport car and sport coupe are different
NAG21 The teg wins in the video because it has a really high gear ratio, not because it has better handling. Try going 140mph on a Teg, you really cannot do it.
I think to be defined a sports car, the vehicle must be RWD.
My opinion at least.
The ITR pushes the boundaries but until BMW, Lexus, Benz, Audi, make their M/F/AMG/RS cars FWD and until Ferrari and Lambo and Aston and PORSCHE make FWD cars, well FWD will never be as sporty as RWD.
FWD is there for
1. Low costs
2. Better packaging
That is all.
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Don't contradict yourself please, it confuses the children.
For those of you who don't understand what I'm referring to, a CRX and a del Sol are both Civics. Honda's own description of them in fact. Don't get mad at me, get mad at Honda for being less creative with their design framework.
Also: CRX and del Sol are not STOCK "low to the ground" but I know what you mean. I'd also have to say that the CRX only handles well because of it's ridiculously shortened Civic wheelbase. It's hard to NOT steer well at low speeds with a car that short. Same reason why Jeep Wranglers have a short wheelbase. The CRX is horribly balanced though, and people who try to "lighten" them typically only make things worse.
I think that FWDs can be sports car. Maybe not stock....welll some. Like the ITR, Civic type R. I would recommend a basic sports package upgrade because lets face, FWD car manufacturers dont go all out simply because it would cost $$ and if we had $$, we would go with RWD or AWD. But if some company made a well balanced FWD with the power of a 350Z, some nice tires, LSD etc....I think the price would come upto the same as a 350Z or something of that status, I think it would give cars like that a good run. Just my two cents.
p.s. I drive a FWD and sometimes it feels like turbo and FWD are the worst combos ever made.
l didn't read all 8 pages... but I can tell you first hand that yes, a FWD car can absolutely be a "sports" car. In fact, certain FWD cars excel in outhandling their much more expensive RWD counterparts...
I think the term "sports car" can be interpreted a lot of different ways. To me, reserving the term for only RWD, 2 seater cars or something similar is pretty narrow-minded.
in its day this WAS a sports car and its FWD
what is it? wiki info?
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Say what you want, but one of the sportiest cars I've driven was a VW Corrado. A FWD "sports car" supercharged etc. Sports car enough for me!
Hmm. I had a CRX SI that could turn faster times on the Dragon than my 3rd Gen RX7 on a downhill run. Uphill the power of the FD overmatched it but downhill where the power was taken out of it more, it would turn faster times.
The difference was that you could dive into corners much harder on the CRX and pull yourself out with the FWD without fear of the rea end flying out under power and boost than with the FD. I ran with some S2000 guys on the Dragon once, in the straights they out-powered me but on the Dragon it's mostly corners so I was stuck to their collective asses the entire downhill run. Give me a Supercharger and I would have kissed them on the uphill too.
Yes, FWD cars can be sports cars. If they couldn't there wouldn't be entire racing classes for them. Give me a CRX with a fully tweaked out suspension and I will roll.
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