lighter wheels do they really help out?

[DinanM3atl]

LOL...the are a Nationally successful Competition tire.

Lot's of people drive Chevy's too... doesn't mean it is good...

I have yet to see an Avon tire on one single car at any BMW/PCA/AUDI event yet...

[speedminded]

i disagree...

I have stock contours at 22 lbs each

How much time you think just a set of Kosei's at 17lbs is going to make... I bet maybe 1 sec AT THE MOST around RA...

Never said improvement in time, just driveablility is completely differant -- ESPECIALLY in cars that are under 200whp

[DinanM3atl]

Never said improvement in time, just driveablility is completely differant -- ESPECIALLY in cars that are under 200whp

Oh I try not to drive sub 200hp cars on the track

PLUS... Fuck HP...

Torque makes the car move

[speedminded]

Oh I try not to drive sub 200hp cars on the track

PLUS... Fuck HP...

Torque makes the car move

The Del Slo's will still out run M3's at RA

[DinanM3atl]

The Del Slo's will still out run M3's at RA

Which one's?

Mine? Woopdy do

[speedminded]

Which one's?

Mine? Woopdy do

What's the best time on any non-GT spec you've seen?

[iEvo]

why are race cars made out of CF and not iron???? i dont really know

[DinanM3atl]

why are race cars made out of CF and not iron???? i dont really know

Wow that was really intelligent!!!

[DinanM3atl]

What's the best time on any non-GT spec you've seen?

Fuck man I don't know. Just busting your chops

[speedminded]

Fuck man I don't know. Just busting your chops

me too

since you're here, what do you think '98 540i/6 > '00 325i/5?

[Sport1.3]

Lot's of people drive Chevy's too... doesn't mean it is good...

I have yet to see an Avon tire on one single car at any BMW/PCA/AUDI event yet...

LOL, you're one of those guys. Avon is a mostly British tire company, and relatively new to the US market. It is the Parent company of Cooper Tires. They've run them competitively in everything from "isle of Man" to American Champ Car series to Formula Ford to Formula Palmer Audi to British Saloon Cahmpionships to UK production Bike Championships and so on....hell Avon is now the title sponsor and control tire supplier of the prestigious British GT Championship. Maybe you should broaden your horizons a little…might save you some hard earned money in the process

[speedminded]

LOL, you're one of those guys. Avon is a mostly British tire company, and relatively new to the US market. It is the Parent company of Cooper Tires. They've run them competitively in everything from "isle of Man" to American Champ Car series to Formula Ford to Formula Palmer Audi to British Saloon Cahmpionships to UK production Bike Championships and so on....hell Avon is now the title sponsor and control tire supplier of the prestigious British GT Championship. Maybe you should broaden your horizons a little…might save you some hard earned money in the process

Convince a German car owner to use a Britich tire? Good luck!

[DieselNuts]

if your driving a honda, yes. They will work wonders. Hondas need the lightest parts made because they make negative torque...

[speedminded]

if your driving a honda, yes. They will work wonders. Hondas need the lightest parts made because they make negative torque...

I can get Hoosier D.O.T. radials sets at a time, 50 tread wear and weigh next to nothing.

[Sport1.3]

Convince a German car owner to use a Britich tire? Good luck!

Dont get me started on CCA elitists

[DinanM3atl]

Dont get me started on CCA elitists

Was waiting for it!!!

BMW owners on IA are elitest without ever meeting me. hahahah

I run Kumho MX on the street and the Advan a048 or RS2 from Hankook on the track. How am I an "elitest"? because I don't want a tire made by cooper? I don't want a dunlop or a continental either. So what am I know?

Oh yah and my e30 has Falken RT615s



Jason get the 5 series man. Fucking BEAST!!!!

[Sport1.3]

Was waiting for it!!!

BMW owners on IA are elitest without ever meeting me. hahahah

I run Kumho MX on the street and the Advan a048 or RS2 from Hankook on the track. How am I an "elitest"? because I don't want a tire made by cooper? I don't want a dunlop or a continental either. So what am I know?

Oh yah and my e30 has Falken RT615s



Jason get the 5 series man. Fucking BEAST!!!!

I never said anything about the other BMW owners of IA, Just laughed at Jason’s joke and the Stigma CCA members hold toward Elitism. I deal with CCA members quite often in my line of work, and more often then not they have a very opinioned nature about them. You compared the tire to the likes of a Chevy, in which the comment was contrived in a demeaning nature, and you did so without even knowing anything about the tire or the company ...yeah no elitists here. Facts are their tires are very competitive across the globe... The tires you use are also very good, but at almost twice the price. I won’t stop you from wasting your money

[Ran]

I have General Exclaims...

[Big Baller]

Light wheels help acceleration, but can hinder top end speed because the car must constantly pull them, and do not have the mass to maintain momentum as well as a little heavier wheel will.

Stupid statement....and its not true.

Heavier wheels do not make the car go faster on the top end. Momentum only carries the wheel farther once it has stopped accelerating. Until you lift off the gas the wheel is in a constant state of acceleration.

[Allstar3.8T]

Lot's of people drive Chevy's too... doesn't mean it is good...

I have yet to see an Avon tire on one single car at any BMW/PCA/AUDI event yet...

Side note, are you the dude at the 4 seasons car wash on 124 s'ville that races 3 series?

[Allstar3.8T]

Stupid statement....and its not true.

Heavier wheels do not make the car go faster on the top end. Momentum only carries the wheel farther once it has stopped accelerating. Until you lift off the gas the wheel is in a constant state of acceleration.

Not worth explaining, I agree acceleration is generally limited to the force behind it for this conversation and the fact we are talking a tiny amount of gain, the truth is over a long distance, the salt flats for instance, there is a difference, street speeds/distances or not.

[Big Baller]

Not worth explaining, I agree acceleration is generally limited to the force behind it for this conversation and the fact we are talking a tiny amount of gain, the truth is over a long distance, the salt flats for instance, there is a difference, street speeds/distances or not.

You don't have to explain.....Youre fucking wrong.

Its always easier to accelerate less mass... if you think other wise you are just retarded

Force = Mass x acceleration

Less Mass = more acceleration

That is all there is to it

[TopSpeedInc]

1lb less unsprung weight is like taking 10lbs out of the vehicle's weight. So if you switch to wheels that are 5lbs lighter at each corner it would be like taking 50lbs of weight out of the car. Hardly enough to actually feel a difference in acceleration. The real gains come in the fact that the cars suspension and brakes do not have to work as hard making thing happen in a more precise manner.

[speedminded]

1lb less unsprung weight is like taking 10lbs out of the vehicle's weight. So if you switch to wheels that are 5lbs lighter at each corner it would be like taking 50lbs of weight out of the car. Hardly enough to actually feel a difference in acceleration. The real gains come in the fact that the cars suspension and brakes do not have to work as hard making thing happen in a more precise manner.

haha, not feel 200lbs....you haven't driven a vehicle with less than 200hp in a while have you?

[TopSpeedInc]

haha, not feel 200lbs....you haven't driven a vehicle with less than 200hp in a while have you?

Sorry math owns me (5 x 4)10 = 200lbs. In that case yes you would feel a difference.

[DinanM3atl]

Side note, are you the dude at the 4 seasons car wash on 124 s'ville that races 3 series?

Not me

company ...yeah no elitists here. Facts are their tires are very competitive across the globe... The tires you use are also very good, but at almost twice the price. I won’t stop you from wasting your money

I am wasting my money says who? You? So some series use the tire? Means it is awesome? I can't seem to find any F1 cars. When I worked at Fall-Line in Chicago and we built two Grand Am Cup M3s I can say no Avon's went on them. PTG raced M3s all on Yokohama.

I am not saying they are bad but I am going with items that I know work and are backed up with winning race teams. Not open spec series.

[IDCoconut]

Actually in a free fall they would fall at the same rate (in a vacuum where there is no friction, wind, etc.) b/c gravity pulls everything toward the center of the earth at the same rate; 9.8 m/s.

no shit. it's actually 9.81m/s2

[Sport1.3]

Not me



I am wasting my money says who? You? So some series use the tire? Means it is awesome? I can't seem to find any F1 cars. When I worked at Fall-Line in Chicago and we built two Grand Am Cup M3s I can say no Avon's went on them. PTG raced M3s all on Yokohama.

I am not saying they are bad but I am going with items that I know work and are backed up with winning race teams. Not open spec series.

F1 cars only use Bridgestone due to the new rule and Bridgestone buying the rights as sole tire sponsor

How long ago did you work for them? Avon has just very recently extended their reach to the US market. Like I said, they are GIANTS in the UK. I'm also not saying they are the best tire known to man lol. But when I was called out for not using a "real" tire, something had to be said. Anyway, I’m not here to argue with you...if anything I’d be happy to learn something from a fellow track whore lol. You have pics of those beasts on track?

[speedminded]

F1 cars only use Bridgestone due to the new rule and Bridgestone buying the rights as sole tire sponsor

How long ago did you work for them? Avon has just very recently extended their reach to the US market. Like I said, they are GIANTS in the UK. I'm also not saying they are the best tire known to man lol. But when I was called out for not using a "real" tire, something had to be said. Anyway, I’m not here to argue with you...if anything I’d be happy to learn something from a fellow track whore lol. You have pics of those beasts on track?

click threads posted by and there should be several

[speedminded]

F1 cars only use Bridgestone due to the new rule and Bridgestone buying the rights as sole tire sponsor

How long ago did you work for them? Avon has just very recently extended their reach to the US market. Like I said, they are GIANTS in the UK. I'm also not saying they are the best tire known to man lol. But when I was called out for not using a "real" tire, something had to be said. Anyway, I’m not here to argue with you...if anything I’d be happy to learn something from a fellow track whore lol. You have pics of those beasts on track?

click his name and find all posted by and there should be several "Scooting Around the track - 56k no chance!"

[Sport1.3]

click his name and find all posted by and there should be several "Scooting Around the track - 56k no chance!"

So just DE/driver schools events?

[DinanM3atl]

So just DE/driver schools events?

Me driving yes... I have only done DE's




Here is the shop I worked at in Chicago...

www.fall-linemotorsports.com

can't hot link pics anymore

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/...ight.html#nogo

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/06GAMidO.html

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/TheShop.html

Notice in the shop pics Fall-Line has the last two e46 M3 Motorsport Bare Chassis from BMW

There is a lot more. Fun arguement.

Avon Smells

/end thread!

[Sport1.3]

Me driving yes... I have only done DE's




Here is the shop I worked at in Chicago...

www.fall-linemotorsports.com

can't hot link pics anymore

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/...ight.html#nogo

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/06GAMidO.html

http://www.fall-linemotorsports.com/TheShop.html

Notice in the shop pics Fall-Line has the last two e46 M3 Motorsport Bare Chassis from BMW

There is a lot more. Fun arguement.

Avon Smells

/end thread!

Nice, so you plan on running Spec E30? I've been looking into an E30 spec car for quite awhile. Just can’t afford to do everything i want lol...plus the GF would murder me in my sleep. I've just got to find another platform for a "more fun to drive" car...and a little extra power wouldn’t hurt either. I’ve been Very into Solo I/II events for awhile due to only "privateer funding" and non-competitive platform lol, But I’ve done a few HPDE's/ Open ITA events, mostly at Roebling.

So did you move out here recently? I work for G-force Racing Gear Here. Wish we were better geared towards actually racing and had possibilities of employee sponsorship lol ...we have 20-30 Historic and a couple (closer to) present Day racecars here in the warehouses that just collect dust....makes me sad

They sure do, after a good spin on track lol

[speedminded]

So did you move out here recently? I work for G-force Racing Gear Here. Wish we were better geared towards actually racing and had possibilities of employee sponsorship lol ...we have 20-30 Historic and a couple (closer to) present Day racecars here in the warehouses that just collect dust....makes me sad

Just sitting there collecting dust?!

[Sport1.3]

Just sitting there collecting dust?!

Yes ...got a couple Triad Datsun 240/280's I’d give my left nut to track. But the owner decided he was going to Start Collecting for Historic race/street car Museum. We have ~60-70 cars (most are old Muscle cars) just sitting around here and more at his personal Garage, and get a few more every month. The warehouse guys are lucky enough to have the job of starting and running the cars (not driving) every week!! When the Drag cars start up the whole warehouse shakes lol. Especially the Bob Glidden Probe we have. 1400hp all aluminum 427 to open headers right next to the office entrance . It’s a shame they don’t get used for what they were originally intended, but I can see why he would keep them off track and safe for their obvious value. He does However have a 600+bhp Porsche 924s that is being built in Indiana right now that he has somewhat plans to make trackable (wont hold my breath though). He is building it as a Leman’s replica/street car/weekend toy…..I only wish I had the funding he has

[speedminded]

Yes ...got a couple Triad Datsun 240/280's I’d give my left nut to track. But the owner decided he was going to Start Collecting for Historic race/street car Museum. We have ~60-70 cars (most are old Muscle cars) just sitting around here and more at his personal Garage, and get a few more every month. The warehouse guys are lucky enough to have the job of starting and running the cars (not driving) every week!! When the Drag cars start up the whole warehouse shakes lol. Especially the Bob Glidden Probe we have. 1400hp all aluminum 427 to open headers right next to the office entrance . It’s a shame they don’t get used for what they were originally intended, but I can see why he would keep them off track and safe for their obvious value. He does However have a 600+bhp Porsche 924s that is being built in Indiana right now that he has somewhat plans to make trackable (wont hold my breath though). He is building it as a Leman’s replica/street car/weekend toy…..I only wish I had the funding he has

err yeah...sooo...when's he want some photos done? I need more content to get my new website going!

[Sport1.3]

err yeah...sooo...when's he want some photos done?

Lol, that would be a cool idea given your talent. I'll Have to ask him when he's around next. He's got some normal street cars that will blow your mind. Like a 70' 440-6pack 'Cuda 4 speed in Pink Panther color that has 321 miles on the original clock!!! even more impressive (but on a much less cool car) a 78 ( i believe) Trans-Am that was never Officially Sold and have less then 20 miles on it. Still has all the original plastic covers on the interior pieces as well as the window sticker and dealer plate

[speedminded]

78 ( i believe) Trans-Am that was never Officially Sold and have less then 20 miles on it. Still has all the original plastic covers on the interior pieces as well as the window sticker and dealer plate

I swear i saw that on eBay or somewhere once can't be too many like it?!

I'm mainly interested in the 240/280's and any sportscar of that era but wouldn't mind shooting a couple muscle cars either. Just show him this one of Jay's 2002 (The site is bland with very little info)

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...d=106821&stc=1

[Sport1.3]

Sure i'll run it by him....though be warned he is a cheapskate. Either way ill try and get some phone pics of the 280 in the warehouse right next me my office so you can see what you'd be working with

[man]

Michelin tires are the shit


/convo