Toyota's Reception into NASCAR

[japan4racing]

I don't think he means like, "off the show room floor" stock, but more like the actual cars. The only thing in these cars that even somewhat resembles to actual production cars is the shell, and even it is a pretty poor rendition seeing how they're all basically the same aside from different drawn-on lights and stickers. They're hardly what I think either of us would call a "stock car" even though the term is supposed to be directed at a production based vehicle.

thats how nascar used to be...take a car, do some backyard mechanic mods to it and go run at the track. research some old nascar stories from the legends and you will find alot of crazy stuff. stories about stealing there fathers car and going to run the races. buying a car on the way to the track and getting there and running it. thats what nascar used to be, a bunch of nearly stock cars with a bunch of "free" mods that some redneck did.

I've watched many a Spec Miata race and have thoroughly enjoyed myself. They're a lot closer to a "stock car" than anything on the NASCAR track.

and how exciting would it be to see 43 miata's in stock trim with some basic bolt-ons go around talladega for 500 miles???? about as exciting as a sack of dead babies in the bottom of a septic tank.

[Ran]

thats how nascar used to be...take a car, do some backyard mechanic mods to it and go run at the track. research some old nascar stories from the legends and you will find alot of crazy stuff. stories about stealing there fathers car and going to run the races. buying a car on the way to the track and getting there and running it. thats what nascar used to be, a bunch of nearly stock cars with a bunch of "free" mods that some redneck did.

That exactly what I'm referring to. That was real stock car racing.

and how exciting would it be to see 43 miata's in stock trim with some basic bolt-ons go around talladega for 500 miles???? about as exciting as a sack of dead babies in the bottom of a septic tank.

About as exciting as watching any other car do circles around Talledega for 500 miles. Not very, which is why I'm not a NASCAR fan. That's why I watch road course races like American LeMans. Hell, I miss watching WRC on Speed. Then Speed Channel became NASCAR TV.

[japan4racing]

That exactly what I'm referring to. That was real stock car racing.

so like i said....who wants to see a bunch of ford fusions, dodge chargers, and impalas go at it on the track when you can see what we have today go 200+mph

About as exciting as watching any other car do circles around Talledega for 500 miles. Not very, which is why I'm not a NASCAR fan. That's why I watch road course races like American LeMans. Hell, I miss watching WRC on Speed. Then Speed Channel became NASCAR TV.

rally was very cool. i loved watching that shit. i guess nascar takes a certaint person to be able to watch it....i find it funny that most ppl cant comprehend it...even though most make it seem so simple....to me when i hear ppl say "nascar is boring..its just turning left" its the same thing as saying..."having sex is no fun.....you are just going in and out"

**disclaimer: in no way what so ever am i saying nascar is as good as sex...it was just an analogy that i figured everyone could relate to.

[Ran]

so like i said....who wants to see a bunch of ford fusions, dodge chargers, and impalas go at it on the track when you can see what we have today go 200+mph

I understand where you're coming from, but what says we have have to limit it to Impalas and Fusions? Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing hoped up Mustangs, Camaros, Chargers, and Challengers out there fighting for the checkered flag. That could fun as hell, and there would be variety!

rally was very cool. i loved watching that shit. i guess nascar takes a certaint person to be able to watch it....i find it funny that most ppl cant comprehend it...even though most make it seem so simple....to me when i hear ppl say "nascar is boring..its just turning left" its the same thing as saying..."having sex is no fun.....you are just going in and out"

Not at all. I understand that it takes strength and skill to drive in a NASCAR race and I respect the drivers for what they do. Hell, I know that I'd be freaking out if I was driving 12in from three other cars at 210mph. The races, to me, are just kind of boring after about the 150th mile. Now, I've been to the Talledega race in person more than once and I'll admit that the atmosphere, partying, and everything else makes it a hell of a lot of fun.

[japan4racing]

I understand where you're coming from, but what says we have have to limit it to Impalas and Fusions? Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing hoped up Mustangs, Camaros, Chargers, and Challengers out there fighting for the checkered flag. That could fun as hell, and there would be variety!

im with you on that....it would be nice to have the sportier cars out there but ford, chevy, and dodge have other plans. they are trying to sell cars..beleive it or not this stuff still sells their cars. its easy to sell a mustang, camaro, vette, or one of the many "hemi" powered dodges.....but who wants a fusion? who wants an impala...intrepid anyone? v6 charger????? no one wants that but ppl see tons and tons of advertisement from these run of the mil cars that are affordable to the normal ppl. all the commercials about how fun the fusion is, the impala commercials are very youthful, and the dodge commercials always have high energy....hell, i even sometimes watch the commercials during the race and wonder if the fusion really is as fun...i know its not but some old geezer some where will go buy one. what wins on sunday sells on monday....and as long as thats the case you wont see sportier cars out there. and as long as cars keep getting less powerful and more luxurious you will get farther and farther away from seeing stock cars. people want speed.....some crazy looking car going 200mph is way more appealing than watching a ford fusion run 125 on the straights. no to emntion with all the safety rules and such by the time you took a stock car and had it legal guess what it would look like......tune in next sunday to find out