Mini vs. VW vs. Mazda vs. Subaru

[Julio]

If you read the link you posted, it simply states initial quality aka how it looks on the showroom. The list I posted is percentage of cars sold that were brought in for warranty work, a much better show of reliability. You honestly think Porsches and Lexuses are reliable?

bhwhahahah .. do you own a mazda? More then likely.. ( screenname )

I wish someone would post the list again of the most reliable cars of 06.. ..

Showroom quality? hahahha.... no is not.


You think im going to believe MOTOR AUTHORITY??? hahaha.. C'mon.. they been around online... what ? A YEAR? hahahah

sorry man. IF mazda were SO GOOD they were be selling MORE.. why you think the mazdaspeeds are going for so cheap now a days??? they cant get them off the LOT.
But dont ask me.... you can go to the dealer yourself and see

[man]

bhwhahahah .. do you own a mazda? More then likely.. ( screenname )

I wish someone would post the list again of the most reliable cars of 06.. ..

Showroom quality? hahahha.... no is not.


You think im going to believe MOTOR AUTHORITY??? hahaha.. C'mon.. they been around online... what ? A YEAR? hahahah

sorry man. IF mazda were SO GOOD they were be selling MORE.. why you think the mazdaspeeds are going for so cheap now a days??? they cant get them off the LOT.
But dont ask me.... you can go to the dealer yourself and see

Yes I do have a Mazda and it's unreliable, but it's also 20 years old and the stock turbo motor lasted 140k miles. I've also owned a Honda, a Toyota, a Lexus, and a Ford. What's your point?

I never said anything abut them being good I stated simply that the newer models are reliable, that's it. How can someone post most reliable cars of 06? A list like that shouldn't even exist, how can you judge a car that's less than a year old?

And on the topic of pricing, supply and demand drives prices down. Just because people don't want to buy them doesn't mean they are bad cars. People buy the shit out of Land Rovers, Mercedes and Porches and they are some of the least reliable cars on the planet. The OP is in the market for a car in that range.

[Julio]

Yes I do have a Mazda and it's unreliable, but it's also 20 years old and the stock turbo motor lasted 140k miles. I've also owned a Honda, a Toyota, a Lexus, and a Ford. What's your point?

I never said anything abut them being good I stated simply that the newer models are reliable, that's it. How can someone post most reliable cars of 06? A list like that shouldn't even exist, how can you judge a car that's less than a year old?

And on the topic of pricing, supply and demand drives prices down. Just because people don't want to buy them doesn't mean they are bad cars. People buy the shit out of Land Rovers, Mercedes and Porches and they are some of the least reliable cars on the planet. The OP is in the market for a car in that range.

My point is : You should know better.

The reason people dont buy them is because the HISTORY, they are known for: pieces of shit
They may be better built now.. But consumers are not dumb...
Some actually do research.
Yes, people buy landrovers, yes dumb if you ask me, because those are some of the worst vehicles.... But when/if you have the $$$ who cares about it. same with Mercedes.. but I will bet mercedes built better/quality cars then Mazda.

And if you are telling me MAZDA is more RELIABLE then LEXUS.. (Toyota)
Since you said " I think Porche and Lexus are reliable"

I will simply laugh my ass off and end this convo right here.

BTW.. Toyota Camry's BEST selling car in this country for how long? right... WHY?? LEXUS one of the best selling luxury cars in the USA, why ?
QUALITY man...................

[man]

BTW.. Toyota Camry's BEST selling car in this country for how long? right... WHY?? LEXUS one of the best selling luxury cars in the USA, why ?
QUALITY man...................

Do you see a Lexus/Toyota in the OP's poll?

And I had the Toyota and Lexus for a reason

[Julio]

Do you see a Lexus/Toyota in the OP's poll?

And I had the Toyota and Lexus for a reason

You are right.. They are not on the poll.. would be a smart choice if he did..

But I didnt post this either :

Originally Posted by MotorAutority
A recent study run by independent automotive warranty specialist, Warranty Direct, looked at more than 450,000 vehicles, across 33 manufacturers, from the UK and the USA for reported mechanical failures. It found Mazda to be the most reliable car brand with almost 92% of its cars aged between 3 and 9 years to have suffered no mechanical failures of any type. The Japanese carmaker achieved a failure rate of just 8.04% to come out on top of a field where only two non-Asian based manufacturers made it into the top ten.

Below is a list of the top ten companies that had the lowest number of mechanical failures reported by policy holders for every 100 vehicles aged between three and nine years old. Interestingly, Kia proved more reliable than all the German brands and even financially stricken Mitsubishi reached a very respectable fourth.

1. Mazda 8.04

2. Honda 8.90

3. Toyota 15.78

4. Mitsubishi 17.04

5. Kia 17.39

6. Subaru 18.46

7. Nissan 18.86

8. Lexus 20.05

9. Mini 21.90

10. Citroën 25.98

At the other end of the scale, SUV manufacturers Jeep and Range Rover came out on the bottom of the ‘World’ reliability study. Worst still, a whopping 46% of large American SUVs recorded at least one mechanical failure during a given twelve-month period.

Follow the jump to see how all 33 manufacturers rated.

Table to illustrate the reliability ratings of 450,000 vehicles by manufacturer:

Manufacturer / Incidence Rate %

1 Mazda 8.04%
2 Honda 8.90%
3 Toyota 15.78%
4 Mitsubishi 17.04%
5 Kia 17.39%
6 Subaru 18.46%
7 Nissan 18.86%
8 Lexus 20.05%
9 Mini 21.90%
10 Citroen 25.98%
11 Daewoo 26.30%
12 Hyundai 26.36%
13 Peugeot 26.59%
14 Ford 26.76%
15 Suzuki 27.20%
16 Porsche 27.48%
17 Fiat 28.49%
18 BMW 28.64%
19 Vauxhall 28.77%
20 Mercedes 29.90%
21 Rover 30.12%
22 Volvo 31.28%
23 Volkswagen 31.44%
24 Jaguar 32.05%
25 Skoda 32.12%
26 Chrysler 34.90%
27 Audi 36.74%
28 Seat 36.87%
29 Renault 36.87%
30 Alfa Romeo 39.13%
31 Saab 41.59%
32 Land Rover 44.21%
33 Jeep 46.36%

[man]

You are right.. They are not on the poll.. would be a smart choice if he did..

But I didnt post this either :

I understand what you're saying but seriously, this survey was conducted by an unbiased company (Warranty Direct, a 26 year old company. I just saw it on MA), and it's purely objective while JD Power, though a reputable source, is subjective in their comparisons and is a bit biased, notice how GMC, Ford, and Dodge all got the same scores as Hyundai and PORSCHE in "Features & Accessory Quality - Design" How can Mercedes, BMW, and Land Rover get two "dots" in that category?

Any way, I didn't vote in the poll because I think it's dumb to buy a car based on what others say and I don't want the poll to reflect my opinion.