Had to post this!

[1civic]

Tru Story!! LOL......

[h22 jones]

I got hit with a 440 outlet at the base last week . I cant really sleep so im full of all kinds of shit lately lmao.

[stretch]

Only mike Jones....... Hahaha......... Ass and fifties man, ass and titties.
As far as the cars being a daily comment. Any can can be a daily, or a weekend car. But if u have a bolt on stock motor eBay parts stanced car , keep ur racing comments n callouts to ur self. Guys with real cars ain't trying to hear that shot. Cause all they do is hype up a race that will never happen. I don't hate on people with these kind of cars eother, wat u like is wat u like, but there is a criteria for racing. So read the criterias carefully, if u fit then step up, if u don't THEN SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[1civic]

Only mike Jones....... Hahaha......... Ass and fifties man, ass and titties.
As far as the cars being a daily comment. Any can can be a daily, or a weekend car. But if u have a bolt on stock motor eBay parts stanced car , keep ur racing comments n callouts to ur self. Guys with real cars ain't trying to hear that shot. Cause all they do is hype up a race that will never happen. I don't hate on people with these kind of cars eother, wat u like is wat u like, but there is a criteria for racing. So read the criterias carefully, if u fit then step up, if u don't THEN SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

criteria for racing, who races anymore.. bahahahah!!

[Vteckidd]

Again, the culture will change when someone emerges and can sway people to the other side. Its going to take someone like Stretch who obviously has a shop and can get people interested in what they are doing.

until someone takes the reigns and really markets it well, the stance stuff will prevail because that is what is popular.

[1civic]

Again, the culture will change when someone emerges and can sway people to the other side. Its going to take someone like Stretch who obviously has a shop and can get people interested in what they are doing.

until someone takes the reigns and really markets it well, the stance stuff will prevail because that is what is popular.

Well it's good that street racing is not as big as it once was, but building race cars is not something Atlanta is known for..

And I speak of the Honda scene mainly..

Even for me I try to build something that I can drive, not just race.. I enjoy drag racing, but also enjoy mountain runs, and autocross!!

Not everyone can afford to build and maintain a car for each sport they enjoy..

As for the kids now, I do see them trying to build cars, but only to say they did it.. The cars are never used, and parted out within a year!!

Maybe the interest is not there for most of them, it's just to easy to slap on some coilovers with rims that don't fit just to stand out!!

I myself am the opposite, I'd much rather have a car that runs well than look good..

But I can do both, just get lazy and lose interest quickly i guess..

[112480]

Again, the culture will change when someone emerges and can sway people to the other side. Its going to take someone like Stretch who obviously has a shop and can get people interested in what they are doing.

until someone takes the reigns and really markets it well, the stance stuff will prevail because that is what is popular.

Honestly its gonna take more than stretch and morris and thier shop. I say that because when these guys came out they actually made wanting to build a car to race EXCITING again. They came with all that NY shit and "rap video"(as you said before mike) type vids on youtube advertising what they can do and you know what the shit was funny and exciting at the same time because no shop down here was doing that!! They were/are EXACTLY what we need in the race scene,BUT they have ben here for how long now and it STILL hasnt picked up yet.... I mean shit stretch and morris can only do so much. Shit i understand why stretch dont really wanna go through with any big plans to attemp to REVIVE or create a big ATL race scene(import wise)... NOT kissing thier ass at all, just telling it like it is.

[Vteckidd]

ATL has always had cars that stuck out, you just never knew about them.

Back in 2002, Len had TODA everything for a ITR. Toda Cams, Toda ITBs, Toda Header, Mugen wheels, all kinds of shit and he was well known all over HT. IIRC his car made over 200whp at a time when cracking 200whp was unheard of in a 1.8L.

Ken Black R on here had EF hatch with ITR 5 lug, ATS FD, ITBs, Toda cams, Hytech header, i mean he had this shit back 10 years ago. He street raced a lot just not with the riff raf ricers.

JohnZM, Jensons 150shot nitrous GSR, my GSR CRX, my 2,0l, Bens TSX turbo, Chunkys motors, theres been TONS of cars that were on par or ahead of the rest of the country. The only difference is they had someone pushing and marketing it. No one does that now.


Personally, the street racing scene is so secretive its almost to its detriment. The thing you guys accuse me of being (a post whore) is what made me popular, and made certain aspects of the scene popular, and drew customers to the shops i worked for.

Its going to take someone doing something SIMILAR to what i did. Its going to take someone post whoring, marketing, pushing ideas, doing things differently, and getting people to buy into it. The only people i see really able to do that is Midnight, but no offense they dont seem interested in posting anything on here. The potential is HUGE, you realize theres NO HUGE Honda shops in atlanta anymore? Im surprised someone hasnt risen up and taken over .

[1civic]

ATL has always had cars that stuck out, you just never knew about them.

Back in 2002, Len had TODA everything for a ITR. Toda Cams, Toda ITBs, Toda Header, Mugen wheels, all kinds of shit and he was well known all over HT. IIRC his car made over 200whp at a time when cracking 200whp was unheard of in a 1.8L.

Ken Black R on here had EF hatch with ITR 5 lug, ATS FD, ITBs, Toda cams, Hytech header, i mean he had this shit back 10 years ago. He street raced a lot just not with the riff raf ricers.

JohnZM, Jensons 150shot nitrous GSR, my GSR CRX, my 2,0l, Bens TSX turbo, Chunkys motors, theres been TONS of cars that were on par or ahead of the rest of the country. The only difference is they had someone pushing and marketing it. No one does that now.


Personally, the street racing scene is so secretive its almost to its detriment. The thing you guys accuse me of being (a post whore) is what made me popular, and made certain aspects of the scene popular, and drew customers to the shops i worked for.

Its going to take someone doing something SIMILAR to what i did. Its going to take someone post whoring, marketing, pushing ideas, doing things differently, and getting people to buy into it. The only people i see really able to do that is Midnight, but no offense they dont seem interested in posting anything on here. The potential is HUGE, you realize theres NO HUGE Honda shops in atlanta anymore? Im surprised someone hasnt risen up and taken over .

Some people just have no interest in posting things, I know I never did... AND Anymore you get bashed for the work you do!!

But again you are right, Morris, stretch, and james could post up some builds.. I know they do them, hell they don't have to post them, they have leg humpers that will.. I told Morris to market him self, get a page going, post pics, video's etc.. He travels everywhere to tune cars!!

I agree that when a movment is created it is by those who market what they do, be a post whore, show it can be done!

I come off as an ass on the internet that is why no one will like my posts..LOL, but it's all good.. I'll always have a car to talk shit with!!

[1civic]

Do they try to copy what is over here??

Seems they mix in what's here and add to that..

[Vteckidd]

The flush an stance stuff comes from 2 places:

1- it comes from Drifting and 240s/rwd drift cars in Japan. Its always been like that.
2- the STANCE part came from VWs who have been doing it for 30 years.

We imitate them

[1civic]

The flush an stance stuff comes from 2 places:

1- it comes from Drifting and 240s/rwd drift cars in Japan. Its always been like that.
2- the STANCE part came from VWs who have been doing it for 30 years.

We imitate them

Yeah, I thought so.. Just the chicks and dudes look like the kids i see now-a-days!! LOL

[Apex i ITR]

The flush an stance stuff comes from 2 places:

1- it comes from Drifting and 240s/rwd drift cars in Japan. Its always been like that.
2- the STANCE part came from VWs who have been doing it for 30 years.

THEY imitate them

Changed it slightly. LOL

Len and Black R are some old timers. I was running around with them with Typer R and then my Green hatch with an ITR motor. Those were the good old days. Things were simpler back then. Guy Sarapian, Eric Che, I'm trying to remember names.

[Vteckidd]

its become more of a CULTURE over here stateside, like parking lot meets. SOmething that doesnt happen in Japan. We are famous for taking their style, and making it generic and posing it.

the FWD stance thing is more VW, because no one in Japan has a honda if they are in the "car scene" because hondas are commuter cars. they dont see the point in modding them.

[112480]

because no one in Japan has a honda if they are in the "car scene" because hondas are commuter cars. they dont see the point in modding them.

Really? So what the hell was/is all this jdm shit been about for the last 6+ years?..lol... if not to "imitate" them??

[Vteckidd]

Really? So what the hell was/is all this jdm shit been about for the last 6+ years?..lol... if not to "imitate" them??

You realize their "jdm" is OEM right?

[112480]

Mike Jones is 110% right about shit talking being a part of racing and ppl getting butt hurt over it. Shit i cant wait to be done with this house and credit shit so i can get to building my K turbo Drag car AND A k ALLMOTOR drag car as well. Shit i FUCKING MISS talking shit to mike jones. I MISS pissing stretch off and i miss making indirect side comments at bobby and KINDA miss Vteckidd being an asshole/devils advocate/critic about everything we say and do...lol!... Oh and I definetly miss Moseley,Chunky and ASSHOLE MAtt(05dc5) crew indirectly talking shit/thinking they are the best K crew in the south........

[nelson9995]

its become more of a CULTURE over here stateside, like parking lot meets. SOmething that doesnt happen in Japan. We are famous for taking their style, and making it generic and posing it.

the FWD stance thing is more VW, because no one in Japan has a honda if they are in the "car scene" because hondas are commuter cars. they dont see the point in modding them.

lol. you certainly have not seen any videos of Japan. There are MANY modded Hondas there just like there are here. Theirs are even uglier though lol.

[112480]

lol. you certainly have not seen any videos of Japan. There are MANY modded Hondas there just like there are here. Theirs are even uglier though lol.

Uglier??...Well thats shitty considering they have everything available to them(jdm shit) that America wants...

[Vteckidd]

lol. you certainly have not seen any videos of Japan. There are MANY modded Hondas there just like there are here. Theirs are even uglier though lol.

Have you ever imported cars? Owned a jdm car? Didn't think so.

Hondas are a joke in japan. They aren't popular. Go watch fucking option videos from 10 years ago. No one drove civic si or ITRs

They all drove s13/s14/evo/gtr/supra/soarer/ 86 etc. RWD is king in japan.

[112480]

and another one... TX2K12 - 8 Second 2JZ S2000 Giant Wheelie! - YouTube

[Apex i ITR]

lol. you certainly have not seen any videos of Japan. There are MANY modded Hondas there just like there are here. Theirs are even uglier though lol.

Funny enough those Honda guys imitate what they see as US style since in Japan its all standard for them anyway. Where we were looking to JDM fronts for ITRs they where looking to get the Acura Integra bug eye look.

[Vteckidd]

Funny enough those Honda guys imitate what they see as US style since in Japan its all standard for them anyway. Where we were looking to JDM fronts for ITRs they where looking to get the Acura Integra bug eye look.

i remember seeing a UK magazine that had a car on the front that had the USDM FRONT END lol dude actually sought out our US front end and sold his JDM front end. POcketed like $2000 US at the time.

Whats your name?

Hell Tom Hornsbys car was light years ahead of what anyone was doing back then, or Cory Garcias hatch.

Going back to Gregg , its going to take someone who actively takes the reigns and starts showcasing what they can do. I believe Stretch and Midnight have everything that Mainstream had in its heyday (A tuner, honda customers, big power to make) etc. They just need to market themselves better IMO. Mainstream still does a ton of work, but they dont put it out there like they did when i was there. Same with BG which has all but disappeared.

The only shop that REALLY markets well, is FORGED IMO. They dont care to sell anything on here cause everyones broke, but on other boards they are VERY active.

[stretch]

i remember seeing a UK magazine that had a car on the front that had the USDM FRONT END lol dude actually sought out our US front end and sold his JDM front end. POcketed like $2000 US at the time.

Whats your name?

Hell Tom Hornsbys car was light years ahead of what anyone was doing back then, or Cory Garcias hatch.

Going back to Gregg , its going to take someone who actively takes the reigns and starts showcasing what they can do. I believe Stretch and Midnight have everything that Mainstream had in its heyday (A tuner, honda customers, big power to make) etc. They just need to market themselves better IMO. Mainstream still does a ton of work, but they dont put it out there like they did when i was there. Same with BG which has all but disappeared.

The only shop that REALLY markets well, is FORGED IMO. They dont care to sell anything on here cause everyones broke, but on other boards they are VERY active.

I tried working with IA, still waiting for them to get back to me. But honestly speaking , not bashing, the scene on this site is dead. I users to support everyone and for the most part I still do, but the scene is dying. It's almost not worth it anymore. Wat other home guy or shop take their 750hp Honda to dunk days just to show and spice up the event........that would be Midnight.......wat shop or individuals besides Stover goes to every event and have multiple cars........Midnight........who has been winning all motor pro with a bone stock bottom end car even beating built cars.......Midnight........etc. wat has it gotten me? Nothing more than "hey man ur care is sick" or damn yall build some good motors" or damn that guy morris can tune his ass off. Everybody wants to spectate nowadays, and nobody wants to participate. Bell we about to go all the way to Honda day with the black hatch next week. I'm doing wat I can with wat I have, buy the sceneacks interest in my opinion......

[112480]

i remember seeing a UK magazine that had a car on the front that had the USDM FRONT END lol dude actually sought out our US front end and sold his JDM front end. POcketed like $2000 US at the time.

Whats your name?

Hell Tom Hornsbys car was light years ahead of what anyone was doing back then, or Cory Garcias hatch.

Going back to Gregg , its going to take someone who actively takes the reigns and starts showcasing what they can do. I believe Stretch and Midnight have everything that Mainstream had in its heyday (A tuner, honda customers, big power to make) etc. They just need to market themselves better IMO. Mainstream still does a ton of work, but they dont put it out there like they did when i was there. Same with BG which has all but disappeared.

The only shop that REALLY markets well, is FORGED IMO. They dont care to sell anything on here cause everyones broke, but on other boards they are VERY active.

His name is Hurell Mike. He used to work at Nopi along with the rest of us. He had a white 96-97 ITR back in 99 when I met him and i had the Damn Chevy Z24 cavalier(his cousin Rob black GSR was fast back then as well) and then he had a green eg hatch(clean ass FUCK) with a jdm ITR swap with the 4.7fd(am I correct hurrell?) This was back when Tom hornsby had his black eg hatch when he had the GSR swap b4 him(tom) and this guy/mechanic name Ted(down at Acura/Honda Specialist in Jonesboro) got a full wreck ITR and Tom took the motor out of it and put it in HIS black hatch and ran a 13.9 on street tires that night at Reynolds.... Now this was back in 99-00 when we went down there ALOT!

P.S HURELL, remember when we raced that night, me in the z24 cavalier and u in Ur ITR back in 99? Remember how I had Ur ass even WITH Rob blocking me before we got on the highway ..... I shouldn't have gotton cocky and slowed down for u, I should've kept going lol... I mistake the ITR for all the 99 Si's I was beating at the time....lol...ahhhhh..... The good ol days......

[Apex i ITR]

Whats your name?

Hell Tom Hornsbys car was light years ahead of what anyone was doing back then, or Cory Garcias hatch.

Going back to Gregg , its going to take someone who actively takes the reigns and starts showcasing what they can do. I believe Stretch and Midnight have everything that Mainstream had in its heyday (A tuner, honda customers, big power to make) etc. They just need to market themselves better IMO. Mainstream still does a ton of work, but they dont put it out there like they did when i was there. Same with BG which has all but disappeared.

The only shop that REALLY markets well, is FORGED IMO. They dont care to sell anything on here cause everyones broke, but on other boards they are VERY active.

Yup name is Hurell.

My 98 ITR was one of the first with a Apex'i N1 exhaust and Bronze Volk SE-37K's (At the time I don't think anyone was rocking Bronze and everyone told me it would look stupid, it looked dope as fuck). I sold it and got a green hatch back that had a JDM 98 ITR motor/trans and Toda everything in it (Before Len did it). I had the weird cam locking up issue and trashed that motor just dailying and driving to work. I sold the Toda setup to Dave Blankenship and came out with enough cash to buy a brand new ITR longblock from Len and Craig at Baranco Acura.

Around the time I was building my Hatch Tom was building his silver hatch with all new stuff. We actually raced at Silver Dollar. he got me by a few tenths since his hatch was a gutted CX (Or VX can't remember) and I had a JDM interior SI. I started putting together a turbo kit for my car (Spearco IC and SFP manifold) and lost my job and had to be an adult so I sold the car to a kid in TN. I loved that car. It was SO reliable after swapping the new ITR motor in there. I think I was the only one to buy a Trust exhaust (from Takakaira.com) and then a JICMagic exhaust. I used to be all over honda-tech (and Honda-acura.net before they split).

Gregg you keep speaking of that night but I gotta be honest there was never a point I remember where your Z24 would get me unless you caught me slipping at a light or on the highway (Which was entirely possible). Hell Rob keeps telling me he beat me in his GSR and I tell him the same thing. Y'all Negro's have never beaten me. LOL. NEVER. And right now you won't either (This is gonna piss Gregg off). Remember when you and Lamar jumped me on the phone challenging the WHOLE EVO NATION. LOL.

I'm just fuckin with you. I'm too old to deal with speeding tickets and too tired of giving uncle sam my money. It takes a Vette or more for me to even risk a speeding ticket. If y'all think Atlanta is dead. Raleigh is barren. Seriously there is nothing out here. My wife has a pretty flashy 08 STi and its just her and I out here. from what I've seen. I may pass by one of their little Sonic meets but from what I gather its no better then the ones in GA. Nothing like a Varsity or North Gwinnett meet. No street racing as far as i can tell and although Rockingham isn't too far away I'm not motivated to go. I have grown man shit I'm working out and have come close to selling my car a few times because its just useless to have this kinda power in Raleigh (15+ is a misdemeanor, wtf).

I used to live on the southside (even though I was living in Austell the commute was murder). I worked part time at Nopi when I lost my system Analyst job at Georgia Pacific (they outsourced everything to India). Around that time TJ had his Yellow ITR, Craig had a cherry Prelude and then upgraded to a WRX, Len had his Black ITR, Ken with his Black ITR, Tom had his silver hatch (wife had the black Hatch with a swap), Mark had a sick EK after he wrecked/sold his Integra and had Advan's on there, Trey had a red EK. Hell I used to hang with Scott (God rest his soul) and Kisa and Ted and John since my wife was good friends with Kisa........there are a few others that had dope Honda's back in the day I'm forgetting but its slowly coming back. I won a trophy at Nopi for the highest HP 4 cyl. since no one else bothered (I think I put down 190). I got a check for 250 to spend at Nopi and a trophy and didn't realize it.


And On Forged. I know people they've screwed over car wise but the one thing you can't take away from them is that they have the R35 game on lock in the SE region. They started off using AMS but I think they are about to do their own thing. They are doing it big and I respect them for that. If you have anything then a R35......good luck.

[1civic]

I say fuck you all, my shit runs!!

COME AT ME BRO!!!!

[112480]

Hurell... here ya go TX2K12 - TWO 1500hp TT Superlegera's -vs- 1400hp Supra -vs- Nitrous 1000RR - YouTube.................... " its the sound of the underground, its the sound of the underground, its the sound of the underground"...................................... ......

[B18c1Turboed]

What also makes the sport big is Shop grudges.Back in the day there where so many shops that had grudges against eachother, it helped the shops grow. THus having their customers spend money and make the scene bigger. Shoot when we used to go to the track we rolled 30-40 people deep. I guess all the young kids have grown up to adults now and put childish things behind them. Its hard to revive a sport when alot of people have sold cars or parted them out. The car count in Atlanta just isnt their any more like back in the day.

[nelson9995]

All my Rhode Island friends are already excited and ready (hotel and all) for Honda Day.

[B18c1Turboed]

No shop in Ga will ever make import racing big again. Back in the day their was 6 or 7 shops all wanting to be on top. Alot of those shops have switched to a different type of customers now. No offense but import people are cheap and I mean cheap. Why work on a Honda when u can work on a Lamborghini and make 5 time as much money and deal with people that have money to spend.
And stretch their are more cars in Ga capable of running 6s in the 1/8 besides the 3 you listed. I know of 5 hondas that can run it no problem but don't bring them out because what for their is no competition in Ga. It wi never be like it is up north here in Ga. People around here don't love the sport like up North do.

[Apex i ITR]

No shop in Ga will ever make import racing big again. Back in the day their was 6 or 7 shops all wanting to be on top. Alot of those shops have switched to a different type of customers now. No offense but import people are cheap and I mean cheap. Why work on a Honda when u can work on a Lamborghini and make 5 time as much money and deal with people that have money to spend.
And stretch their are more cars in Ga capable of running 6s in the 1/8 besides the 3 you listed. I know of 5 hondas that can run it no problem but don't bring them out because what for their is no competition in Ga. It wi never be like it is up north here in Ga. People around here don't love the sport like up North do.

Alot of shops had to switch it up for survival. Work on import cars (price wise) is pretty static. Less pie to split up when there are a lot of DIY'ers as well. And please don't say all import owners are too cheap. I spent 20k+ on my car over the course of a few months.

There are people who will spend money.....they are just not as many people out there with disposable income so they try to do things on the cheap.

[stretch]

No shop in Ga will ever make import racing big again. Back in the day their was 6 or 7 shops all wanting to be on top. Alot of those shops have switched to a different type of customers now. No offense but import people are cheap and I mean cheap. Why work on a Honda when u can work on a Lamborghini and make 5 time as much money and deal with people that have money to spend.
And stretch their are more cars in Ga capable of running 6s in the 1/8 besides the 3 you listed. I know of 5 hondas that can run it no problem but don't bring them out because what for their is no competition in Ga. It wi never be like it is up north here in Ga. People around here don't love the sport like up North do.

Well excuse me if those cars have never been out for me or anyone else in thread to know and talk about. Last I heard u started building ur car and started to part it out, but like I said its hear say. But ur statement just proved my point. U said there are 5 other cars that ate fast and run good times, Kool , fine, I commend yall. But where are they? And I'm not bashing u either, but if u and ur buddies got fast cars bring them out and stop talkong about then so we can have some fun competitive racing. No offense but if these are cars that don't come out and are hard parked in garages, no need talking about them. We have a sport called drag racing, that a few of us enjoy obviously but we don't support it. Thats all I'm saying. But for argument dId plz name the 5 cars that can run mid to low 6s plz. Not criticizing, but I would love to know then.

[B18c1Turboed]

Apex you spent 20k in the last few months? Ok how many other people would spend that? Do you race? Drift? Or it's for a daily driver? See theirs a difference like has said in this post many times some people build a car just for show. Not saying that what you have done im just saying.

Also showdown and face off have a bigger payout then 1-300. For all motor they might not since the fields ain't very big.

[Apex i ITR]

Honestly it was a simple motor rebuild that just got out of control (bought 2 sets of wheels, power output was never the goal but became one after the initial baseline). I probably bought stuff I and no need to but did it because i could.

I had no direction when I was dumping money into my car. I don't track it all that much but I do drive it alot so I would say I built it for me. Its more built for drag racing and I have no desire to do that so right now my car is a running contridiction.

I've flip flopped between selling the car, parting it out or just getting a stock frame turbo kit and making it a little more sane (500ish) for street driving. Fact is I've gone so far to the left now I'm contemplating if it makes sense to bother trying to go a little to the right or just scrap it, get an IS-F do some bolt ons and call it a fuckin day.

Beauty of it is all this was on my dime (The car, the mods, etc) so its not like I have a mountain of debt to make the car a monument of my impulses. So I am not PRESSED at all to go in either direction. Its blessing....and a curse. I can't figure out what i want to do right now. My car was its most fun when I was running E85 and putting down about 460 with a bigger stock frame turbo.

Thing is I like car shows, drag racing and tracks. And I think in my head I wanted to build something that could do all 3. I think once I saw the dyno numbers on my baseline tune after the motor rebuild and upgraded turbo kit I wanted to see how far I could go, and the scary thing is there is more in it. I could probably hit about 850-900 with a slightly bigger but more efficient PTE turbo but why?

And until I figure out the answer to all those questions I'll be stuck trying to figure out my next move.

And Gregg....you started out in front. i was reeling you in. LOL. Man don't you wish you could back in time and relive the moment. You and I remember that night very differently. Too bad there were no gopros back then. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the night in ?

And I maintain y'all negros have never gotten me........NEVAR MUHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!

[112480]

And I maintain y'all negros have never gotten me........NEVAR MUHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!

Damn u Hurell.... damn u straight to hell... u know what this is some bullshit!.., there is NO "we remember that night diff shit" i couldnt have started out front that much cause fucking rob was blocking me so YOU could get out front but thats ok..... NEXT TIME there will be a gopro goddammit. Do u understand me Hurell!!

[Apex i ITR]

Damn u Hurell.... damn u straight to hell... u know what this is some bullshit!.., there is NO "we remember that night diff shit" i couldnt have started out front that much cause fucking rob was blocking me so YOU could get out front but thats ok..... NEXT TIME there will be a gopro goddammit. Do u understand me Hurell!!

LOL. I'm a shit. I know.

[EmminoDaGreat]

I like hondas, and I enjoy building them, but noone wants to pay the price to build a car that it costs..... They can just click buy it now and build what they want and be content...

Thats why I work on more S2k, Evo,Sti, SRT's, BMW, G37/370,VW now... They don't mind paying because they want quality work, and quality parts and power.

I am building myself a "race" car, but whats the point, there will be what 4 drag races. I rather go road race. You can do that every weekend if you want.

Example. Honda customer bitches about 250$ to replace a clutch (labor)
Evo customer says oh its only $600-800(labor depending on rate). WOW THANKS

[Apex i ITR]

I like hondas, and I enjoy building them, but noone wants to pay the price to build a car that it costs..... They can just click buy it now and build what they want and be content...

Thats why I work on more S2k, Evo,Sti, SRT's, BMW, G37/370,VW now... They don't mind paying because they want quality work, and quality parts and power.

I am building myself a "race" car, but whats the point, there will be what 4 drag races. I rather go road race. You can do that every weekend if you want.

Example. Honda customer bitches about 250$ to replace a clutch (labor)
Evo customer says oh its only $600-800(labor depending on rate). WOW THANKS

That is true although you have kids taking that cheap mentality (Its called Honda mentality but I hate that because I used to own Hondas and spared no expense when I did) and buying used S2K's, Evo, 350/370's etc and they do some trendy shit and the first time they have to
do any real maintenance they either half ass it or sell the car and go back to owning a Honda.

[EmminoDaGreat]

That is true although you have kids taking that cheap mentality (Its called Honda mentality but I hate that because I used to own Hondas and spared no expense when I did) and buying used S2K's, Evo, 350/370's etc and they do some trendy shit and the first time they have to
do any real maintenance they either half ass it or sell the car and go back to owning a Honda.

The trendy stuff/cheapos will have a small percentage in the higher end cars.
While the trendy stuff/cheapo to $$ in the honda/240 crowd just increases exponentially.


Everyday I get people crying about tuning rates, WTF is wrong with people that they want to skip the most vital step in performance....They rather get a "basemap" and ride it for a while.... THEN if their car fucks up on a "basemap" they cry and moan about it...