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FWIW: I have dyno'd/tuned 200+ different vehicles. Its a rare occasion when a high HP car duplicates its number on two different dyno pulls. IE: most cars will vary a few WHP from pull to pull, or dyno to dyno. 13WHP is almost insignificant and within the margin of error on a 300-400WHP car. And a 350WHP car is making more than that moving down the track as well.
I'm not a fan of these stance'ed civic's that eat tires once a month, and only have a single cam.. SMH!!
Street scene sucks everywhere in Atlanta, except Moreland... bahahaha!!
:thinking: WHY?.....:gay: Impractical, umm yes!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dqImDc0el4
Stance = fucking gay... Just sayin
Where do u tune and wat kind of cars do u tune? Dynojet?......not tryin at all to be rude buy I don't recognize the screen name that's why I'm asking. Also don't understand wat u mean when u say 13hp is insignificant from car to car. Once again, not trying to be rude or not bashing. Just trying to understandQuote:
Originally Posted by tnomud
hes saying 13whp doesnt mean much when you are talking about 300-400whp NA Hondas.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Hes also saying that most dynojets dont duplicate numbers back to back accurately. Car can make 350 on 1 pull and 340 the next. Dynojets are the most inaccurate dynos out there, Load bearing are the most accurate.
Hes right
Ok I get wat he is saying, and true he is right. But that's not the convo at hand though. That's why I was asking wat the correlation between wat he said and wat we are talking about. And his statement about a car that makes a certain hp on the dyno will run be making more going down the track isn't necessarily true. There are certain variables that determines that. And I don't agree that 13hp is insignificant in 300-400hp ALL MOTOR honda...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
I disagree. They are industry standard and the hardest to manipulate numbers (correct me if I'm wrong). And there are more variables when dynoing on different dyno's different days. Temp, alt, etc.
Those numbers are sick for NA Honda's.
I can see someone sand bagging their quarter mile run if their main intention is street racing and winning big money.
My uncle used to street race up there (Grand Nationals). he said those boys race for pink slips as well. Y'all crazy up there.
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Originally Posted by Apex i ITR
Exactly my point
Its wildly accepted in the industry that Dynojets are the WORST tuning machines you can use. Its not even in dispute. Its fact. The only reason why Dynojets are everywhere is because they are the cheapest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apex i ITR
The Load bearing dynoes like Forged Performance has (dyno dynamics) which run upwards of $70-100k are much more preferable. They make tuning a car much easier as you can tune individual load columns and tune for peak TQ, Dynojets you cant do that with accuracy because they are an inertial dyno.
I think stretch is saying the same thing just in a different way. 13whp matters, every whp matters. But when you get to cars making 300-400whp NA, i think the idea is that 13whp doesnt make or break a car winninig a street race?
I dont know ive never owned a car that powerful or even seen one .
We to be honest mike, none of the cars making 300+hp NA are street racing. At that point they say its to much to lose. Majority of the NA cars are in the 240-290hp range, and I know for a fact that at this power range on the STREET every hp counts and weight is also very important also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
In the Evo world they love Mustang Dyno's but get the least amount of BS numbers from Dynojets due to people messing with CF other crap to make the numbers higher then they really are.
Irrelevant really. For a N/A Honda to put down 300 anything on a Dyno Dynamics, Mustang or DJ is impressive (I know the DD and the MD read lower so 300 on it would be more on a DJ).
Stretch next time I'm in GA I'd like to come to the shop and check you guys out. Thinking about building something for my son in the next year or 2.
I don't care if that bitch made 250hp NA, it still ran a 10.4.... I know 10hp or 100lbs you will feel, NA Honda's are another ball game, and unless you have done it, or doing it, then you really would not understand..
I say fuck a dyno, if it runs good on the street or at the track then who cares what a dyno said it made.. ;)
If you wanna prove a point, or set a record on the dyno cool, but the real racer will have the tuner at the track!!
You use both if you're smart.
And most people don't tune at the track. It takes $1000 in equipment to do it right.
I would bet any import event only the top Turbo cars MIGHT be data logging during runs
He's not smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Agreed, but why even go to the track with a dyno tune? Yeah it's safe, but is it what the car needs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Bottom line is if you wanna win, be competitive, etc the tuner will be there collecting data, and making changes.. Always a cost!!
Do we do that, naw... Most of us can't afford it!
And you claim to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
You have 4 more cylinders, and a SC.. Can you run a 10.4? Do you even know what 10hp means in a Honda.. Seems your fat ass jumps in like you know the Honda scene, but do you really know? Please school me in HONDA's.. If not GTFO!!
Still waiting DAVID.................................
Whatever you're looking up online is taking to long!!
School me in one thing on a Honda motor, and stay on topic!!!!!!
Wanna talk Mustangs go make a thread, wanna talk about wealth go make a thread, and if you wanna talk about education, GO MAKE A THREAD!!
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FAIL David88vert!!
Fucking moron, don't reply after this cause it only shows how much of a fucking troll you are!!
Sure man anytime. Pm me for my number when u ready. Ur always welcome to come byQuote:
Originally Posted by Apex i ITR
I datalogg everytime we at the track, no matter all motor or turbo. And we tune our cars on the dyno and then make changes at the track according to conditions or if we wanna turn the power up. But datalogging is the only way to get the data needed to get better and faster going down the trackQuote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Remember, my tuners is ALWAYS next to me, dyno or track....even at the strip club......hahahahahaha
I wasn't including you . I have raced at ISD and IFO
Nobody in all motor was data logging or tuning shit at the track. With the exception of you and a small group of people I doubt that's changed
Get your hustle on!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IwbgluDz2Q&feature=channel&list=UL
We don't have any serious racers down here.. I'm sure if any of the other racers in other states have seen the events we have they would laugh.. It's really a shame, but all you can do is continue showing support for what you enjoy, in hopes that things will turn around.. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Agreed bobbyQuote:
Originally Posted by 1civic
I can understand why people don't come anymore, hell I caught shit for the times I ran, but I still won.. I can not help the with the amount of people that show up, and I really had no clue what my car would do.. :(
How would I know unless I show up right??
P.S
I feel with the trends going on right now that people lost the idea of going fast only to go low and slow!!
Each to their own, I guess.. SMDH!!
well for things to change it first have to start with us. some people in this scene are real racers and some of us do some half ass bolt some shit on a motor and say they racing. honestly, the mind frame of most racers here sucks, and thats wat killing the scene. ATL got it backwards. Stance people should do stance and race people should race, cause they dont go together. i saw a car at IA last year with the wheels tucked waaaaaaay up under the fenders back and front, camber out this world, but yet he had a top mount turbo setup with a side exit downpipe. DUDE, U CAN KILL URSELF, ITS NOT SAFE, AT ALL!!!!!!!. then u have the racers now that build a full blown race car with baller parts, one piece front end, big turbo, top mount ,etc ,etc, and tell u they only wanna make 400hp when their setup is capable of 6xx-7xxhp. their excuse is that they spent to much money so they dont wanna break the car, which half of them still break anyway. and they drive this full blown racecar to all the car meets and pop their hoods and say "yea we doin it". in my opinion thats backwards. u want a show car or a everyday driving car, then build a budget clean SAFE setup and its all good. If ur going all out tp spend the money to do it right, then build it right, tune it right, make some power and come support the scene like a few us out here do. It shouldnt be the same cars everytime putting on a show, or the same set of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1civic
just recently we had donnie come out the wood works with his crx and did a great job at the last event. congrats to him, they did very well. but this should be every event. every event someone should come out and put on a show and help build this sport. the ratio is fucced up. its 3% racers and 97% spectators. in my opinion, thats wats killing the sport in ATL.......ok im done.....:)
Stretch, you sir are correct.. It all starts with those who show up!! Some of us just can't afford to build full blow race cars.. And most everyone in ATL wants to drive these cars daily.. It does not go hand in hand, you can not have both.. You can have a nasty street car, but it will never be a daily..
As for the stance bull shit, I can hardly comment, it don't take rocket science to see that a car with that amount of neg camber is not safe to drive!!
i really hope it changes though. i like to see the stance cars and i have quite a few customers that are in to the stance thing, so im not bashing it at all. just wanna see the racing scene grow. this is very discouraging. every year, every event, less and less shops come out with a race car and to compete. Midnight ATL Performance, Mainstream Performance, MSS Racing (even though Matt is independent and not a shop), Southern Speed, thats all i can remember right now. We have a lot of shops in ATL, where is everybody at. Even the kills forum on IA has gone to shit cause aint nothing to talk about cause aint nobody doing shit. and when the people who actually doing something get on here and post something, they get bashed and criticized by a bunch of sideline keyboard not doing nothing ass wanna be racers. This shit makes me wanna say fucc it sometimes. its patheticQuote:
Originally Posted by 1civic
Damn homie......tell us how you really feel. LOL.
You can have a nasty borderline race car and drive it daily but you have to make sacrifices. Depending on the platform you may have to more more sacrifices then less.
One day things will change...
Strecth has finally spoken the truth:yes::goodjob:
Yo bobby and vteckidd, at what point do u guys think our scene turned into this stance bullshit?? Was it after the BIG Chicken meets? Or the southside Sports Authority meets?
It's coming from the VW crap overseas, and moved from Cali here.. Ether vteckidd timed it right or it was a hell of coincidence, but that next year after he stopped posting the scene just went away almost, since then it has turned into this mess we have now.. That's how it seems to me!
I don't follow the meets, and I don't support IA, that shit is another Nopi (IMO), and I will not agree with the bullshit kids are doing right now.. This punk style, wack-ass stretching of tires has went to far.. Now it's a givin that the cars look much cleaner as for the paint, and color choices, but when I see wheels that don't fit, spacers or some insane camber it just kills it for me!!
And since I'm on a rant, I have watched these cars jump 2k in price for some reason.. Fuckin dicks think a single cam hatch is worth 4k cause it has rims.. WTF man!! And when you see a swapped car which needs paint and body work they want 6K... SMDH!!
Crazy shit, but I keep building, supporting, and driving what I love.. ;)
I think I just got lucky to get out at a time when it was right. I think i had a hand in marketing and promoting the street racing because when i worked for MSPi i was always on the boards. No one really took that over when I got out of it, not in the same capacity. Im arrogant about 1 thing , and that is my ability to market and promote and push an idea. No one was better than me when i promoted for shops and what i did online for the industry. I know that is a supremely arrogant thing to say, but thats just how i feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1civic
Makes me wonder if i wasnt destined to be a writer.
Stretch, youre in the south, everyone who is as serious as the up NOrth boys about street racing, runs a V8. Thats why the NA Honda scene here is so decimated and weak. There are just better alternatives if you REALLY wanna go fast. Youll never find street racing down here like you did up there. The shops dont really care to be into it because they care about collecting a paycheck, not going to jail. Or they would rather go Track Racing or Drifting. Drag Racing just died around 2005-2006.
The stance thing is a fad, and unlike our generation, this generation is full of follow the leaders.
Bobby youre not a follower, youll go do your own thing to prove a point. Thats how i was, thats how stretch is, thats how james is, thats how Chunky is. We dont build our cars to be like everyone else, we built them because its what we wanted. This generation has to get a virtual PAT ON THE BACK from their friends and thats why we have so many cookie cutter cars that exist now. Going fast is not important to them because it doesnt get them noticed.
i dont remember any of those because i never went to "meets". THe only meet i really attended was the old FUDD meets thrown by Import Lounge up on the northside by Wild Bills. I went to NOPI like 3 times and it was mostly for work.Quote:
Originally Posted by 112480
I would say the STANCE thing bled in from the 240 crowd around the 2006 mark.
I agree, you picked a hell of a time to dip out..
well stated...maybe you are destined..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
And Mike is only a talker, don't blow his head up to much!!
He could sell my granny's poodle, that's about it! :doh:
Later!