should the entire kf be password protected?

[Lankhoss]

The only reason I mention personal dignity is b/c of how indignant you guys get when someone asks for a handicapped race, despite the fact that it's a COMMON and ACCEPTED thing in sports, bracket racing, PAX indexing for autocross, etc. Even when there's MILLIONS OF DOLLARS at stake, boxers & mma fighters will drop weight to fight a guy a class down. Mike's request was definitely not outlandish and is certainly not indicative of a ricer mentality since handicaps are nothing new to the world of sports and competition.

Regarding racing outside of your performance envelope, that's cool. Totally fine. However, don't call someone a ricer b/c they don't mind running outside their performance envelope. Some people want to know if they've got enough power to pull on another car from a gear down or whether they can get another car from a dig on street tires. If you aren't down with that, that's totally FINE, just don't act like it makes the other person a ricer b/c it doesn't.

With your last statement, you highlighted the essence of a ricer - putting ridiculous amounts of money into looking fast instead of actually being fast. Does mike have a bodykit on his car? NO. Does he have a spoiler? NO. Does he have a $5000 paint job on a $2000 car? NO. How does he fit the ricer mentality at all?

He's got way more under the hood than on the paint/body of his car, and yet you people insist on calling him a ricer? Where's the sense in that, unless you are just looking to start drama by being rude without any reason for being so. You guys are just adding to the definition of a ricer at your own convenience in order to goad people. Then you stand back and act like the person had no reason for getting riled up.

I don't judge anyone based on what car they drive. If someone with a slower car wants to run me from 40mph but asks that I start in 3rd, I'm not going to call them a ricer. I'll either say, OK let's do it, or politely decline. I could decline like a douchebag, calling them ricer, this, that, or the other, but that's not how I am. Maybe I'm just too laid back about these things.



If you guys are going to start with calling Mike a ricer, don't be surprised when similar exaggerations are pointed in your direction. By the FACTS, Mike is no more of a ricer than Bstone's s2000 is god's chariot.

In this particular case, Mike is just responding to the drama that other people created with their own stretched-truth statements about him (ricer, etc). Mike & Aaron worked out the terms to a run, so that's that. I don't see the point in everyone else jumping on Mike's ass. The run has been setup according to terms agreeable to both parties. No need to keep spinning drama at this point.

You know, trying to have a conversation with you is damn near impossible. You don't even pay attention, you just keep repeating yourself.

So the only way someone is a ricer is if they put some stupid shit all over their car or do a burnout in a parking lot? You are using PROFESSIONAL SPORTS as an example of how people should be during laid back street racing that isn't for money or organized competition????? Do you think those professional athletes WANT to change weights?? You think they'd do it if money, fame, respect, whatever weren't involved? And dropping or gaining a lot of weight definitely takes its toll on the body, it's usually NOT good for a fighter to do....especially losing weight.

You keep making your argument "us vs. them," instead of objectively trying to look at the conversation. And it's ok for Mike to exagerrate just because someone else did it first? Really....REALLY??? That's your argument???? "But MOM, he started it!!!" You have GOT to be kidding me!!

It's situations like these that determine whether someone earns respect or not. The fact that Mike, or whoever, CHOOSES to drop to someone else's level is exactly why I don't and probably never will respect the fucker.

Quit trying to JUSTIFY all this stupid shit, because it makes BOTH of you only look worse!

[chunky]

You know, trying to have a conversation with you is damn near impossible. You don't even pay attention, you just keep repeating yourself.

So the only way someone is a ricer is if they put some stupid shit all over their car or do a burnout in a parking lot? You are using PROFESSIONAL SPORTS as an example of how people should be during laid back street racing that isn't for money or organized competition????? Do you think those professional athletes WANT to change weights?? You think they'd do it if money, fame, respect, whatever weren't involved? And dropping or gaining a lot of weight definitely takes its toll on the body, it's usually NOT good for a fighter to do....especially losing weight.

You keep making your argument "us vs. them," instead of objectively trying to look at the conversation. And it's ok for Mike to exagerrate just because someone else did it first? Really....REALLY??? That's your argument???? "But MOM, he started it!!!" You have GOT to be kidding me!!

It's situations like these that determine whether someone earns respect or not. The fact that Mike, or whoever, CHOOSES to drop to someone else's level is exactly why I don't and probably never will respect the fucker.

Quit trying to JUSTIFY all this stupid shit, because it makes BOTH of you only look worse!

The only reason I repeat myself is b/c I'm trying to communicate my thoughts in a way you might understand. Everytime I say something, you get something else out of it than what is intended.

The classic definition of a ricer is someone that spends way more money on looking fast than being fast. Period. I'm not the one trying to stretch the definition. Doing burnouts in a heavily occupied parking lot doesn't make someone a ricer, it makes them a dumbass. They may be a ricer on top of that, but they might just be a dumbass in a really clean 10s car.

All I'm saying is that the simple act of asking for a handicap does not make someone a ricer. The reason why I mention bracket racing, PAX in autocross, and professional fighters is to show precedent. The fighters may not enjoy dropping weight, but the simple act of challenging a heavier fighter to drop weight is not frowned upon in any way. It doesn't make the lighter weight fighter a punk or anything of the sort. It's up to the fighters to determine if it's worth it to meet the terms of the challenge or not.

I'm not making any sort of an us vs. them situation. I'm expressing my thoughts. I met you the same night you ran Bucky in his hatch and I had no problems with anyone. In general, I don't do drama. Mike handled the situation very differently than I would have, but I can see where he's coming from. I'm not saying that because other people started ragging on him that it's ok for him to behave likewise. What I am saying is, "what the hell did you expect?" You can't take shots at someone and then call them out for not being the bigger man and ignoring it. If you take shots, expect a response. When the response comes, don't get mad b/c you basically asked for it.

And honestly, you yourself can't call Mike out for sinking to the lowest common denominator because:

1) You yourself partook in the name calling by calling him a ricer
2) You started to jump on mike when he never called you out

Take that for what you will, but I'm not adding to or stretching the truth, just pointing out what's already happened. Mike is my buddy. When people jump on him, I don't typically jump in with a bunch of name calling. I state my opinions and hope that they help people come to some kind of an understanding while trying to be civil & respectful.

Maybe you don't typically call people you hardly know ricer, but you did in this case. Thus, I can't see that you're on any kind of moral high ground vs. Mike. That's not justification, that's just pointing out what's obvious.

[Lurker]

You are using PROFESSIONAL SPORTS as an example of how people should be during laid back street racing that isn't for money or organized competition?????

2 questions.

Where are the rules to laid back street racing?

Is that different then serious bidness street racing?


I've noticed when you respond to people, you talk as if what you say is written in stone and if somebody doesn't agree they are stupid. Kinda odd for someone expressing a personal opinion.

[Lankhoss]

2 questions.

Where are the rules to laid back street racing?

Is that different then serious bidness street racing?


I've noticed when you respond to people, you talk as if what you say is written in stone and if somebody doesn't agree they are stupid. Kinda odd for someone expressing a personal opinion.

There are no "rules" for it. However, you should be smart enough to know your own involvement. Unless you are doing this for competition for one reason or another (street rep, money, organized competition, etc), then a lot of things don't matter. Winning or losing isn't as important, as having FUN is the most important thing. So it's up to each individual what rules they play by for it to be fun. With that being said, the general rule (if that's what you wanna call it) for street racing is "run what you brung." So in general, people don't ask for handicaps when it's just for fun. If you think you are a good race for somebody, then race them....don't make them re-configure their car so they can be as slow as you are.

It's very much like golf. If you've ever played, you know some people are VERY serious about the game. They pull up grass for every single shot, wait for the wind to be in the right direction, use fancy range finding equipment, get all frustrated when they screw up a shot, etc. When people play for fun, they take mulligans, use tap ins, don't count certain strokes, etc. So when guys are just out to drink some beer and have a good time, having some uptight Tiger Woods wannabe in the group is a big downer. It's very similar in street racing. These "hardcore" guys or ricers just ruin the whole mood for people who are trying to be social and enjoy themselves.

So there isn't a list of black and white rules carved in stone anywhere, but it's VERY easy to identify if someone has the same take on racing as you do. I personally have the most fun when I don't know the outcome of a race (win or lose) before it happens, so in that sense I'm rather picky about who I run as I want us BOTH to be around the same level of performance. I'm more picky than I used to be, as I've raced TONS of people and have a very good idea of my car's capabilities, as well as other cars with certain modifications.

What I have found, more often than not, is the people who are either more serious about racing and ricers won't respect someone's wishes for not racing. So when I hear the same 'ol shit about "oh, you're afraid of this little Honda???" or some other stupid shit like blaming the fact that a person is a friend of Thacker as the reason they don't race, it does piss me off. Maybe I'm just jaded, because this hobby usually has me around people much younger, dumber, and more immature than me and it frustrates the hell out of me.