should the entire kf be password protected?

[NoRotor]

Elitism is bullshit.
I agree that just because you don't have a fast car, doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to hang w/ the fast crowd. What determines that should be one's personality. If you are a shit talker w/ a slow car and you happen to be hilarious, then you'll be fine because people will like you. If you are a shit talker w/ a slow car and you are a dickhead, then you should be hazed out of the KF. It's aa simple as that.
No one knows me. Only a few have seen my car. So, for the majority of you, the only substantiation that I have a "12 sec car" is just because I say I do. Anyone can claim to have a 12 second car. My personal opinion is that that should not be grounds for being able to read/post here. I think that reading/posting should be open to all, until one shows his ass and then should either be hazed out or banned (considering severity of annoyance).

Granted, I haven't yet been called out, so I can't speak from experience, Evil Goat, but I don't think that the current situation is so bad.

[Lankhoss]

Elitism is bullshit.
I agree that just because you don't have a fast car, doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to hang w/ the fast crowd. What determines that should be one's personality. If you are a shit talker w/ a slow car and you happen to be hilarious, then you'll be fine because people will like you. If you are a shit talker w/ a slow car and you are a dickhead, then you should be hazed out of the KF. It's aa simple as that.
No one knows me. Only a few have seen my car. So, for the majority of you, the only substantiation that I have a "12 sec car" is just because I say I do. Anyone can claim to have a 12 second car. My personal opinion is that that should not be grounds for being able to read/post here. I think that reading/posting should be open to all, until one shows his ass and then should either be hazed out or banned (considering severity of annoyance).

Granted, I haven't yet been called out, so I can't speak from experience, Evil Goat, but I don't think that the current situation is so bad.

That's all good and all, but there's a REASON people want a "12 second and better club," and it's not because people are elitist. In the past, we've found that the SLOW CARS are the ones that are MORE LIKELY to be the shit talking douchebags. The slowest people are the loudest mouths most the time, whereas MOST of the faster cars know their place, and make callouts accordingly.

As far as lying about how fast your car is, that won't fly either. This forum isn't setup for typing, it's setup for racing. Someone will QUICKLY find out if you have a 12 second car or not if you are posting in here (look at the Sinfix15 threads for example).

But if someone thinks that a 14 or 15 second car is a "race car," or something ANYONE gives a shit about seeing, then they probably don't have the mental capacity to have a decent conversation in the first place. It's not like it takes a lot of money or work to get a car into the 12's anyway, especially with what's available out there today.

[Vteckidd]

That's all good and all, but there's a REASON people want a "12 second and better club," and it's not because people are elitist. In the past, we've found that the SLOW CARS are the ones that are MORE LIKELY to be the shit talking douchebags. The slowest people are the loudest mouths most the time, whereas MOST of the faster cars know their place, and make callouts accordingly.

This paragraph almost made me laugh my ass off. You got guys like Bstone who run their mouth more than ANYONE and have what, run 12s? ONCE? Where is his super duper 9 second S2000 at?

So he owns a stock C6 base model and thats considered more of a race car than my CRX or someone elses car?

Gimme a break seriously.

Most of the shit-talking douchebags arent confined to one group or another. Its the ones that are too scared to have their ego bruised by a loss.

Man theres no fucking rules, its STREET RACING. Ive run 400whp Hondas, SRT4s, V8 Turbos, Vettes, mustangs all kinds of cars with only 200-240whp in a FWD CRX.

This whole "you cant handicap a car " is such bullshit. Its excuses for people NOT TO RACE. Its shit that people can use to be like "OMG YOU ARENT FAST ENOUGH FOR ME"

Its all in fun, if you dont like the callout, decline, and move on. Simple as they, instead we have the "mods" and the bigger faster people talking all kinds of shit down to the lowly little guys like me because how dare i call out a faster car.

Lose the EGOs fellas, thats where it all starts

[SmackedInATL]

This paragraph almost made me laugh my ass off. You got guys like Bstone who run their mouth more than ANYONE and have what, run 12s? ONCE? Where is his super duper 9 second S2000 at?

So he owns a stock C6 base model and thats considered more of a race car than my CRX or someone elses car?

Gimme a break seriously.

Most of the shit-talking douchebags arent confined to one group or another. Its the ones that are too scared to have their ego bruised by a loss.

Man theres no fucking rules, its STREET RACING. Ive run 400whp Hondas, SRT4s, V8 Turbos, Vettes, mustangs all kinds of cars with only 200-240whp in a FWD CRX.

This whole "you cant handicap a car " is such bullshit. Its excuses for people NOT TO RACE. Its shit that people can use to be like "OMG YOU ARENT FAST ENOUGH FOR ME"

Its all in fun, if you dont like the callout, decline, and move on. Simple as they, instead we have the "mods" and the bigger faster people talking all kinds of shit down to the lowly little guys like me because how dare i call out a faster car.

Lose the EGOs fellas, thats where it all starts

I bet you wouldn't make that statement 2-3 months ago or whenever you lost your mod status. Anyways, continue on with your antics.

[Vteckidd]

I bet you wouldn't make that statement 2-3 months ago or whenever you lost your mod status. Anyways, continue on with your antics.

LOST my mod status? Better check again, i gave it up. I got rid of it because i was tired of all the people bitching to me about shit. It was easier for me to just say "fuck it " and let other people worry about it.

I was a KF mod long before you were even on this site.

Like it or not, i was here LONG before many of you, i think ive earned my right in this forum.

Ive seen the KF come and go. Why do you think Thackers site sucked? Cause too many egos, too many mouths, not enough action.

Its the same over here.

Smacked i dont know you, but some of your comments tend to portray this "little man syndrome" that you have. Like you gotta be a dick to anyone you post to.

Calling people names, making fun of slower cars, talking shit without backing it up, etc etc etc doesnt make a good mod in my opinion. You seem like you got a huge chip on your shoulder.

but then again i dont need MOD powers to have "power"

[Lankhoss]

This paragraph almost made me laugh my ass off. You got guys like Bstone who run their mouth more than ANYONE and have what, run 12s? ONCE? Where is his super duper 9 second S2000 at?

So he owns a stock C6 base model and thats considered more of a race car than my CRX or someone elses car?

Gimme a break seriously.

Most of the shit-talking douchebags arent confined to one group or another. Its the ones that are too scared to have their ego bruised by a loss.

Man theres no fucking rules, its STREET RACING. Ive run 400whp Hondas, SRT4s, V8 Turbos, Vettes, mustangs all kinds of cars with only 200-240whp in a FWD CRX.

This whole "you cant handicap a car " is such bullshit. Its excuses for people NOT TO RACE. Its shit that people can use to be like "OMG YOU ARENT FAST ENOUGH FOR ME"

Its all in fun, if you dont like the callout, decline, and move on. Simple as they, instead we have the "mods" and the bigger faster people talking all kinds of shit down to the lowly little guys like me because how dare i call out a faster car.

Lose the EGOs fellas, thats where it all starts

Do you get dumber everyday or something? Your arguments just deteriorate.

First off, yes.....Btstones STOCK Corvette is more of a racecar than your CRX. It's faster in a straight line and would beat the piss out of your car around a road course.

People don't care about their fucking EGO. That's what your dumbass doesn't get. YOU are the one with an ego, calling out cars that "have twice as much horsepower" so that you can feel better ABOUT YOURSELF if you beat it. Now WHY ON EARTH would someone waste their time to go race a slow car?

YOU are the problem. You have a claimed 14 second CRX, but think everyone's a big bully when they don't bring their 11 second cars out to race you, under the stupid ass terms you want them to. Get a faster car, race other 13 - 14 seconds cars, or just keep your fucking mouth shut.

You don't "get it" at all, yet you keep coming back to this forum with your wall of text trying to justify your ricer egotistical ways. If you want to race 11 and 12 second cars, then get one yourself and make a callout.

[btstone]

This paragraph almost made me laugh my ass off. You got guys like Bstone who run their mouth more than ANYONE and have what, run 12s? ONCE? Where is his super duper 9 second S2000 at?

So he owns a stock C6 base model and thats considered more of a race car than my CRX or someone elses car?

Gimme a break seriously.

Im giving you a break....you have no idea what my car has run. You, dear sir, are def in need of a "shut the fuck up"! i post the first time i went to the track and it was like two years ago and thats what you base my s2000 off of. Give me a fucking break. you have no idea what my car has done recently.
now, to my corvette c6 "base" (what ever the fuck that is). if you could own a c6 you would. you are so fast to point what car is "played out" or "lame" but you drive a fucking CRX. there is you problem. you dont fucking know that you are lame as fuck and no one thinks your cool. i have laid off of your fat ass for a while. but damn it son, you are in need of some truth.

to its-stock, that was one of the best sites i have been apart of. made osme great friends, and there were more good races set up off that site in 3 months than i have ever seen on this site period. so this is time for your 3rd "shut the fuck up" for you still have no idea what you are talking about.

stay in the politics section because agree with almost everything you say there, but in here you are a fucking idiot.

thank you

[NoRotor]

In the past, we've found that the SLOW CARS are the ones that are MORE LIKELY to be the shit talking douchebags.

I think that its just that the "slow cars" are the ones that can't back up their claims. If "we've found"/concluded that they (the slow cars) are indeed the "shit talking douchebags", then why aren't they banned yet?

The slowest people are the loudest mouths most the time, whereas MOST of the faster cars know their place, and make callouts accordingly.

If everyone already "knows their place", then there really wouldn't be any racing at all, unless it was against perfectly even-matched cars, all boiling down to driver skill. Since that's what we're trying to measure anyway when you get a "good race" (against evenly matched cars), why is it so wrong to handicap some cars just to make the racing a little closer? For most, calling out a C6Z on bald-ass street tires versus a large turbo civic hatch on slicks is an obvious and understood admission that the C6Z is indeed the faster car. It is just that since the Civic driver wants to get a "good race" (close finish), he will request some handicaps in an attempt to get the race closer. If you don't agree with that type of racing, then decline it. If the Civic driver commences to shit-talking, thats when the ban-stick comes out. I was under the impression that this was the normal order, and I fail to see any problem with it?

As far as lying about how fast your car is, that won't fly either. This forum isn't setup for typing, it's setup for racing. Someone will QUICKLY find out if you have a 12 second car or not if you are posting in here (look at the Sinfix15 threads for example).

Oh, I agree that this is the internet and that anything can be found out about anyone at any time. However, if this subforum would like to keep an influx of interesting and new members into the mix, then I do not see how pw protecting it is going to help this. I think the trade-offs of being an exclusive forum, in order to weed out slower car will be somewhat of an inhibition to new members.

But if someone thinks that a 14 or 15 second car is a "race car," or something ANYONE gives a shit about seeing, then they probably don't have the mental capacity to have a decent conversation in the first place. It's not like it takes a lot of money or work to get a car into the 12's anyway, especially with what's available out there today.

Agreed. I am just in an argumentative mood
For the record, I do think that it is ridamndiculous for a "slow car" to talk shit. It annoys me greatly. I just don't think that forum exclusivity by way of pw-protection is the best way of doing it.
It is my belief that less traffic will lead to less entertainment, which will lead to less involvement. I agree that it will be more concentrated, but I think that in the long-run, it would not be a great move.