Wanted you guys to see this.

[HypnoToad]

Again very very wrong. This guy had ZERO argument to self-defense...and why is that you ask? Because his life was not in any immediate danger! That black belt was not in fear for his life. Watching that video, shows from the whole time that he had the upper hand. He also had 10 people there on his side! Therefore that fight consisted of 11v1. So grounds for self defense is already out the window. The one guy was obviously crazy or under the influence. So the black belt had the upper hand from the beginning. Was a trained Marine and Karate Expert. Also the video shows the guy saying and motioning to stop. You can clearly hear him saying "Stop, you are good!" Past there it was Aggravated Assault, with possible Malice and Intent to Kill. If the guy killed him when he stomped on his head thats purely Manslaughter in the Second Degree.

yea,i think if these people were trained and so forth,they should have no problem stopping the man with a hold or something and calling the cops.

not curb stomping the guy.

[Turbodude06]

Wrong. What was on that video was in every way criminal. There have been many cases over the years where people went to jail over fights for use of Exsessive Force. Someone who is a trained Marine AND a black belt in Karate, is a highly trained weapon. That video shows someone who was either handicap, or under the influence. THey should have never had him in a fight in the first place. Even more so when right before he put him on the ground the guy yeilded to him, and admitted defeat. Past there it was pure murder, IF the guy did live!

^ yea that guys not a fighter, he's a murderer.... I could have went without seeing that, makes me pissed off.....

[David88vert]

Again very very wrong. This guy had ZERO argument to self-defense...and why is that you ask? Because his life was not in any immediate danger! That black belt was not in fear for his life. Watching that video, shows from the whole time that he had the upper hand. He also had 10 people there on his side! Therefore that fight consisted of 11v1. So grounds for self defense is already out the window. The one guy was obviously crazy or under the influence. So the black belt had the upper hand from the beginning. Was a trained Marine and Karate Expert. Also the video shows the guy saying and motioning to stop. You can clearly hear him saying "Stop, you are good!" Past there it was Aggravated Assault, with possible Malice and Intent to Kill. If the guy killed him when he stomped on his head thats purely Manslaughter in the Second Degree.

You do not seem to understand the legal system. They would have to follow the laws of VA from 1984 back then to charge him, and WD and BJB would have not been convicted under the law. Doesn't make it right, just technically legal.

[MachNU]

You do not seem to understand the legal system. They would have to follow the laws of VA from 1984 back then to charge him, and WD and BJB would have not been convicted under the law. Doesn't make it right, just technically legal.

I take it your referring to by VA from 1984 to actual 1983 Civil Rights: Excessive Force & Quailified Immunity? If so that only pretains to Police Officers and the use of excessive force when arresting, subdoeing, and protecting ones self in the face of life threatening danger. No matter which way you argue it, each person in that video would be able to be prosecuted!

[David88vert]

I take it your referring to by VA from 1984 to actual 1983 Civil Rights: Excessive Force & Quailified Immunity? If so that only pretains to Police Officers and the use of excessive force when arresting, subdoeing, and protecting ones self in the face of life threatening danger. No matter which way you argue it, each person in that video would be able to be prosecuted!

No, not referring to EFQI - just VA state code.

For a prosecution of murder to take place, they will have to know who KFG's real identity is/was, then show PROOF he actually died from that particular head trauma. Without that, they could only try to charge them with felony assault.

BTW - I have found that Virginia's state laws WILL let them choose to charge them, as long as they can get enough evidence to prove the incident happened in VA. VA's current statue of limitations is retroactive. NVCV has all of that data listed.


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Here is a video of BJB that you will like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRVBi4w-8kY
Who in their right mind would have ever gone to this place to train?

[MachNU]

No, not referring to EFQI - just VA state code.

For a prosecution of murder to take place, they will have to know who KFG's real identity is/was, then show PROOF he actually died from that particular head trauma. Without that, they could only try to charge them with felony assault.

BTW - I have found that Virginia's state laws WILL let them choose to charge them, as long as they can get enough evidence to prove the incident happened in VA. VA's current statue of limitations is retroactive. NVCV has all of that data listed.


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Here is a video of BJB that you will like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRVBi4w-8kY
Who in their right mind would have ever gone to this place to train?

Which is funny because the 1983 Civil Rights act I listed came out of Virginia! Thats why I was saying these guys would go to jail for Assault with Malice Intent to Kill, if he did not die, or Manslaughter in the Second Degree if he did die!

[Stol3n]

the instructor as well as the student are fully to blame. in the beginning of the video you can plainly hear the victim state and i quote "well i don't want to demonstrate on him, i will demonstrate around him". the victim then follows up this by saying "you can just stand here do not make any movement what so ever, i will not touch you". and lastly "do you feel threatened, i just wished to teach you, i do not wish to hurt you". the victim then starts demonstrating that you must watch the wands and the feet, and then the student comes forwards with assault. the student instigated the fight, the victim defended himself, the instructor allowed the incident to continue. where's the confusion? even after the victim verbally stated "stop, you are good" he continues to be assaulted. it has caught the eyes of mass media and investigations have been started from what i gather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObjWdQBeA4

also, if the fight was over and they "drug" this guy outside why in the hell is there blood on the back door about head high? further assault off camera maybe?

[btstone]

yeah, i watched this and began to get pissed off. i agree with what stol3n has stated. the man clearly stated "you are good" or " you got it" trying to end it. the other guy continued to beat and stomp on his head like 2 times. that is tasteless and stupid. he is not a man to me. i would spit on his bitch ass if i seen him. the rest of the assholes in the video should have stepped in to stop this.

[SX-MAN]

everyone in the dojo should get murder 2 and the guys that took him outside should get murder 1 also cause they planned it. WTF how does blood get that far up on the door ...... they wanted to make sure the job was done......

[stillaneon]

He wasn;t fairing too bad at the beginning. just didn;t have the endurance to keep up. That is some bullshit though

[David88vert]

The original news report:
http://www2.insidenova.com/isn/news/...nternet/41980/

Key item to note:
“Everybody seems to remember this place and everybody seems to remember Bobby Joe Blythe, but nobody can seem to remember who took the lead on the case or whether it was ever investigated,” said Dumfries police Capt. Ronald Mackey.

Since the video hit the Web, the department has received phone calls from concerned citizens who have seen it on the Internet, and from national news organizations looking to investigate.

Mackey said officers recalled helping the victim out of out of a Dumpster near the dojo, and said many remember that the man walked away from the incident.

“It was definitely not a homicide,” said Mackey.

If there was an original incident report, it was destroyed years ago, a common practice for old paperwork, he said. But to be sure, Mackey checked with the coroner’s office and they showed no record of any unidentified bodies that were found in Dumfries that year.


A search of the Potomac News archives for information about the beating proved unsuccessful. An archival search of the Manassas Journal Messenger also yielded no information about the case.

[The Creeper]

That was just fucked up.

[oleblue]

the instructor as well as the student are fully to blame. in the beginning of the video you can plainly hear the victim state and i quote "well i don't want to demonstrate on him, i will demonstrate around him". the victim then follows up this by saying "you can just stand here do not make any movement what so ever, i will not touch you". and lastly "do you feel threatened, i just wished to teach you, i do not wish to hurt you". the victim then starts demonstrating that you must watch the wands and the feet, and then the student comes forwards with assault. the student instigated the fight, the victim defended himself, the instructor allowed the incident to continue. where's the confusion? even after the victim verbally stated "stop, you are good" he continues to be assaulted. it has caught the eyes of mass media and investigations have been started from what i gather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObjWdQBeA4

also, if the fight was over and they "drug" this guy outside why in the hell is there blood on the back door about head high? further assault off camera maybe?

You said it bro......... reps for you.........