This is the off-topic forum quit locking the damn threads

[speedminded]

you guys act like you are some spirtitual being greater than everyone else because you chose not to race on the street. how many ppl have died on the way to work from having a crash a 50MPH. more than said "street reacer"

what about that chic in the BMW that casued that HUGE accident that killed ppl and ran off. she was going regular speeds.

its not about the speeds. not always anyway. yes speed is risk, but im not going faster than the situation calls for. you wont see me diving through traffic at 100mph.

I chose not to race on the street? I've had one, if not two, scanners in my cars since 1996. If you ever saw a Z32 300zx or ITR powered Integra with a speaker mounted to the center console that was me. Anyone that heard a 10-94 knew it was time to go. Either of them fast? Nope! Have cops lost it behind me? Yep! Would I do it again? I would LOVE to. Is it worth the risk of killing or injuring others though? No.

What you are saying is 1 or 2 deaths of innocent bystanders every once in a while is acceptable because people die every day else where for whatever reason? With normal driving and there is an accident, people may die...it's still an accident. Racing with other cars present and somebody dies is not an accident, it's viewed as a homicide.

[Jason..]

Wow QFT....reps

[GGPIS3]

as much as i hate to say it, he's right. killing someone due to a "street" race is considered a homicide or manslaughter. you will do time. its a risk we all take the second we say fuck it and gun it. this is another reason why i say we should get rid of all the BS and enjoy ourselves instead of bickering all the got dayum time. you never know when you ticket is up.... might as well enjoy ourselves and have a good time doing it.

[Jason..]

as much as i hate to say it, he's right. killing someone due to a "street" race is considered a homicide or manslaughter. you will do time. its a risk we all take the second we say fuck it and gun it. this is another reason why i say we should get rid of all the BS and enjoy ourselves instead of bickering all the got dayum time. you never know when you ticket is up.... might as well enjoy ourselves and have a good time doing it.

I want to become a professional car reacer!!!

[btstone]

What you are saying is 1 or 2 deaths of innocent bystanders every once in a while is acceptable because people die every day else where for whatever reason? With normal driving and there is an accident, people may die...it's still an accident. Racing with other cars present and somebody dies is not an accident, it's viewed as a homicide.

dude i am tired of you drawing your own conclusion out of what i say, i said nothing was acceptable. i was proving your point wrong. you are just grabbing for breath now. you say street racing kills. i said no more than driving to work kills. get the shit right.

the only reason you have an upper hand is because im arguing for something that is illegal. but just as many if not more deaths happen on regular basis of just normal driving. twist this how you want it, but that is truth

[Lankhoss]

Street racing is considered manslaughter simply because everyone loves to glorify it.

You have no more intent on killing someone while street racing than you do while doing your makeup, talking on the cell phone, leaning over to pick something up from the passenger side floorboard, or any of those other things people do while driving which can easily cause them to create a fatal accident.

If you think the government makes traffic laws because they are concerned about your safety, you are fooling yourselves.

[speedminded]

dude i am tired of you drawing your own conclusion out of what i say, i said nothing was acceptable. i was proving your point wrong. you are just grabbing for breath now. you say street racing kills. i said no more than driving to work kills. get the shit right.

the only reason you have an upper hand is because im arguing for something that is illegal. but just as many if not more deaths happen on regular basis of just normal driving. twist this how you want it, but that is truth

I'm not grabbing for breath one bit lol! Get my shit right? You're comparing a couple million commuters in Atlanta to a few 1,000 in Georgia street racing? I wonder which one will have more deaths? 2,000,000 people in one hand or let's say 2,000 in the other...hrmmm?

To set the record straight I will never say speed kills. Stupid drivers kill. I will admit there are situations speed may be a factor if for example a blind hill is involved otherwise it's just drivers not paying attention. If you wreck at 100+ mph most likely it's going to be classified as lost control anyways.

Georgia 2006



I would like to say that this statistic PROVES no release of any movies were the cause of any more accidents than usual...illegal/unsafe speed and driver lost control deaths actually DROPPED the first year Fast & The Furious was released. So the media can shove that up their ass.

[speedminded]

Street racing is considered manslaughter simply because everyone loves to glorify it.

You have no more intent on killing someone while street racing than you do while doing your makeup, talking on the cell phone, leaning over to pick something up from the passenger side floorboard, or any of those other things people do while driving which can easily cause them to create a fatal accident.

If you think the government makes traffic laws because they are concerned about your safety, you are fooling yourselves.

Thanks for the quote! Priceless!

[NevrNufTorq]

no offense to anyone involved on either side but this just needs to just be dropped. most of us that dont street race anymore used to do it back in the day and just got too old for it or have to much to lose if get caught doing it but almost all who come in here did at one time or still do street race.

live and let live and be as safe as possible if you're going to do it.


as for the dummies in the wreck they were foolish for when and where they choose to do it and paid the ultimate sacrifice and injured and killed a few others. thats the short and simple and it sucks but thats the truth of it. i hate it they died and injured others and my heart and prayers go out to their families.


NOW LET THIS CRAP BE DONE and get on with whatever form of racing you so choose

[btstone]

speedminded.. for all your charts and number you are still being dumb. anyone can win the arguement with big numbers. i was takling about percentages. thats where its at.....i win if you play percentages. so give up now

[T.S.]

Street racing is considered manslaughter simply because everyone loves to glorify it.

You have no more intent on killing someone while street racing than you do while doing your makeup, talking on the cell phone, leaning over to pick something up from the passenger side floorboard, or any of those other things people do while driving which can easily cause them to create a fatal accident.

If you think the government makes traffic laws because they are concerned about your safety, you are fooling yourselves.

Very true, but if your passing a vehicle 2 or 3 times the speed they are going and they decided to get over you have just caused a fatality for what a 30 second rush? You guys defending street racing is never going to work in your favor period. You cant defend something that causes fatalities on a weekly basis. Yes accidents happen on a day to day basis and yes on average around 115-150 people die a day in the US from car accidents. I get your point people die anyways but you cant sit there and say that street racing doesnt cause additional deaths and more accidents. Just google illegal street racing and deaths and see how many threads is pulls.

[Lankhoss]

Let me be clear......I am, by no means, saying street racing is "safe." There are a LOT of risks involved with it.

There are 2 things I would like to say in regards to that. 1) Is that the increases in danger is not NEARLY as high as the public likes to make it sound and 2) Doing this out in a rural area where there aren't really any other cars or cross streets where people COULD get on the road, you are pretty much lowering your risk factor down almost as low as normal speed limit driving on that road.

I think everyone in this thread, regardless of what "side" you are on, has done stupid stuff like the driver of that Corvette did. We're all guilty of making bad decisions from time to time. But, a spur of the moment bad decision shouldn't always be lumped together with street racing in general.

[speedminded]

Very true, but if your passing a vehicle 2 or 3 times the speed they are going and they decided to get over you have just caused a fatality for what a 30 second rush? You guys defending street racing is never going to work in your favor period. You cant defend something that causes fatalities on a weekly basis. Yes accidents happen on a day to day basis and yes on average around 115-150 people die a day in the US from car accidents. I get your point people die anyways but you cant sit there and say that street racing doesnt cause additional deaths and more accidents. Just google illegal street racing and deaths and see how many threads is pulls.

"I heard automatic weapon fire now where is the guns?!"

Officer, it was a backfire.

"Don't you talk back to me boy!! I've been a gunsmith and working on cars for years I know what a car back fire sounds like THAT WAS NOT A BACK FIRE"

With all due respect sir it was a 2-step ignition system on a turbo charged vechicle.

"What boy? You calling me a liar?!

Sir, do you smell any gun smoke?

"Get out of here! You want to be arrested for obstructing an officer?! Do ya!"

*sigh* Good luck with your official police duty sir, lol!

[speedminded]

Let me be clear......I am, by no means, saying street racing is "safe." There are a LOT of risks involved with it.

There are 2 things I would like to say in regards to that. 1) Is that the increases in danger is not NEARLY as high as the public likes to make it sound and 2) Doing this out in a rural area where there aren't really any other cars or cross streets where people COULD get on the road, you are pretty much lowering your risk factor down almost as low as normal speed limit driving on that road.

I think everyone in this thread, regardless of what "side" you are on, has done stupid stuff like the driver of that Corvette did. We're all guilty of making bad decisions from time to time. But, a spur of the moment bad decision shouldn't always be lumped together with street racing in general.

That is the wisest thing i've heard you say to date

...and yes I despise the media for taking things out of control. Calling parking lot runs a organized underground street racing ring and the varsity meet an epicenter of drug and street racing crimes. I can only laugh.

[Lankhoss]

Very true, but if your passing a vehicle 2 or 3 times the speed they are going and they decided to get over you have just caused a fatality for what a 30 second rush? You guys defending street racing is never going to work in your favor period. You cant defend something that causes fatalities on a weekly basis. Yes accidents happen on a day to day basis and yes on average around 115-150 people die a day in the US from car accidents. I get your point people die anyways but you cant sit there and say that street racing doesnt cause additional deaths and more accidents. Just google illegal street racing and deaths and see how many threads is pulls.

T.S., your info is inaccurate. Street racing isn't causing deaths on a weekly basis. I'd say it's a big stretch to cay that NATIONALLY there is a death caused to street racing every week. If you do a search, you will find that every state CONSISTANTLY has less than 10 deaths a year caused by street racing.

I'm not trying to defend people who kill others doing the act, just saying that the "threat" is way over-hyped.

[speedminded]

T.S., your info is inaccurate. Street racing isn't causing deaths on a weekly basis. I'd say it's a big stretch to cay that NATIONALLY there is a death caused to street racing every week. If you do a search, you will find that every state CONSISTANTLY has less than 10 deaths a year caused by street racing.

I'm not trying to defend people who kill others doing the act, just saying that the "threat" is way over-hyped.

California had a total of 188 street racing deaths from 2000 to 2006 but proving something was racing is nearly impossible, that's why the number is so low.

Just like 2 nights ago the second driver was not charged for street racing or anything else for that matter so the fatalities will go down in the books as either speed or driver lost control. If the second driver didn't get charged then it not going to be considered racing. You and me both know they were running each other...was it from a dig or on an open road and organized? No. Spur of the moment bad decision resulting in 2 deaths.

The problem is there are over 300 deaths per year in Georgia directly related to speed. Every single one of those can be considered "racing" whether it's contested or not. Then you have over 500 driver lost control deaths per year in Georgia, how many of those can be associated to racing yet nobody but the other driver knows?

It's speculation and as you said the goal is to keep the activities away from others.

[T.S.]

T.S., your info is inaccurate. Street racing isn't causing deaths on a weekly basis. I'd say it's a big stretch to cay that NATIONALLY there is a death caused to street racing every week. If you do a search, you will find that every state CONSISTANTLY has less than 10 deaths a year caused by street racing.

I'm not trying to defend people who kill others doing the act, just saying that the "threat" is way over-hyped.

I couldnt find any true hard evidence b/c there has been no really studies that i could find ATM. (im at work so i have limited time to do look up stuff. ) But 10 deaths a year is very small number I would believe its more then that, and the amount of injuries as to be not a small number either. She tehre were 10 people killed in an accident on 2008 and they were just watching street racing now even driving.

And the truth is, I get it. I love the rush you get when you mash the gas down and you fill that turbo or nitrous whatever kick in and it pushes you have in your seat. I understand. But defending it, your never going to be in the right though. There is no way around it.

[T.S.]

"I heard automatic weapon fire now where is the guns?!"

Officer, it was a backfire.

"Don't you talk back to me boy!! I've been a gunsmith and working on cars for years I know what a car back fire sounds like THAT WAS NOT A BACK FIRE"

With all due respect sir it was a 2-step ignition system on a turbo charged vechicle.

"What boy? You calling me a liar?!

Sir, do you smell any gun smoke?

"Get out of here! You want to be arrested for obstructing an officer?! Do ya!"

*sigh* Good luck with your official police duty sir, lol!

Yeah and then they yell at me for having 2 nitrous bottles hooked up! hahahah That was freaken hiliarous!

[DynamicSound]

Honestly, this whole section reminds me of Fast and the Furious..."I live my life a quarter mile at a time. For that 10 seconds or less, nothing else matters".

Some of you people (actually only 3) take this "street racing" so seriously. You act like this is all you live for. Even though 99.9% of the time it is just talk.

[T.S.]

Honestly, this whole section reminds me of Fast and the Furious..."I live my life a quarter mile at a time. For that 10 seconds or less, nothing else matters".

Some of you people (actually only 3) take this "street racing" so seriously. You act like this is all you live for. Even though 99.9% of the time it is just talk.

+1 sir.

[btstone]

Honestly, this whole section reminds me of Fast and the Furious..."I live my life a quarter mile at a time. For that 10 seconds or less, nothing else matters".

Some of you people (actually only 3) take this "street racing" so seriously. You act like this is all you live for. Even though 99.9% of the time it is just talk.

LOL

this guy prob hangs out with boostedsvt

[2.3 Evo 8]

T.S., your info is inaccurate. Street racing isn't causing deaths on a weekly basis. I'd say it's a big stretch to cay that NATIONALLY there is a death caused to street racing every week. If you do a search, you will find that every state CONSISTANTLY has less than 10 deaths a year caused by street racing.

I'm not trying to defend people who kill others doing the act, just saying that the "threat" is way over-hyped.

I just wanted to quote first class ignorance. Carry on.

[DynamicSound]

LOL

this guy prob hangs out with boostedsvt

We know who you hang out with...lol.

[On_Her_Face]

+1 sir.

I'm calling you out sir.

[Lankhoss]

I just wanted to quote first class ignorance. Carry on.

Oh hey Phil...looks like you're still too stupid to type, and you should stop doing so.

What's next, you gonna post some "scary" video that you saw at driving school with a car torn in two and body parts on the road and stuff, and claim that's proof that there are hundreds or thousands of reported deaths each year in street racing accidents?

[Lankhoss]

Here are some numbers I found on a quick search:

http://www.nhra.net/streetlegal/stats.html

And while you're at it, here's a pretty interesting page I found as well:

http://copilotsystems.com/Copilot%20...tatistics.html

[2.3 Evo 8]

http://www.ots.ca.gov/Media_and_Rese...20Services.pdf

This is about illegal racing in california.

Illegal street racing is not just a great annoyance to the public; it exposes the public, spectators, and racers themselves to extreme hazards. Serious problems of deaths and injuries due to illegal street racing affect all major California cities. It is estimated that during 2008, illegal street racing attributed to over 100 traffic fatalities. As high as that number appears, the problem is actually significantly underreported due to the need for reporting reforms.

What happened to your "10" fatality count per "STATE"?

[2.3 Evo 8]

Oh hey Phil...looks like you're still too stupid to type, and you should stop doing so.

Are you going to stop me big boy? Didn't think so.

[speedminded]

Here are some numbers I found on a quick search:

http://www.nhra.net/streetlegal/stats.html

And while you're at it, here's a pretty interesting page I found as well:

http://copilotsystems.com/Copilot%20...tatistics.html

I was going to quote this earlier but thought it would be perceived as an exaggerated statistic...but since you provided the link, "Nationwide statistics show that 49 people are injured for every 1,000 who participate in illegal street racing."

[Lankhoss]

http://www.ots.ca.gov/Media_and_Rese...20Services.pdf

This is about illegal racing in california.

Illegal street racing is not just a great annoyance to the public; it exposes the public, spectators, and racers themselves to extreme hazards. Serious problems of deaths and injuries due to illegal street racing affect all major California cities. It is estimated that during 2008, illegal street racing attributed to over 100 traffic fatalities. As high as that number appears, the problem is actually significantly underreported due to the need for reporting reforms.

What happened to your "10" fatality count per city?

Ah ha ha ha. I read most of that report, and pretty much every statistic EXCEPT the street racing one had concrete numbers.

"Estimated" pretty much means "We made this number up...oh, and we'll throw in some more excuses to make it look like a bigger problem than it actually is."

Until there is proof that a race occurred during a fatality, reports like these are just hype.

You did another fine job of debating here Phil......posting a report with dubious information on illegal street racing. Well done, genius!!

I've suggested you stop making posts, but you continue to do so. No, I can't stop you from doing it...I can't make anyone do anything, actually (I know you're not very smart and don't understand that concept. I have typed it out as simply as I can, so I really hope you are able to understand). But I do suggest you quit doing it, because it just seems like the more words that are typed under your screen name.....the more dumb you make yourself look. I'm trying to help you out here man....just don't come to the intarwebz anymore, it's for your own good!

[Lankhoss]

I was going to quote this earlier but thought it would be perceived as an exaggerated statistic...but since you provided the link, "Nationwide statistics show that 49 people are injured for every 1,000 who participate in illegal street racing."

It is exagerrated. Going off JUST the Florida state stats they have listed there....and I realize this isn't a national statistic, just one state......there were over 7,200 citations given out in 2001. They don't have info for 2001 for injuries and fatalities, but there were around 50 injuries in both 2000, and 2002. With that information, for the 49/1000 ratio to hold true.....that would mean that EVERY situation involving an illegal street race would have to had involved over 7 citations per incident. Now, the stats don't say how many situations there were, just tickets; so there's no way to know if these were just invidividual tickets, or "busts" where they ticketed 30+ people at one event.

But even then, there is an ASTRONOMICAL amount of street races that happen where the cops AREN'T there.....so there's actually no possible way to figure out how many injuries per ACTUAL street race there are....only how many injuries per DOCUMENTED race.

Just try to think right now.....over the past 2 or 3 years, how many people do you know have street raced? Whether it be something personal, stuff you read about online, or stories you heard from friends. Now, think about of ALL those cases, how many times did people get ticketed? That will give you an idea of how many documented/un-documented races happen.

Take it a step further, and think about how many people you personally know that actually had an accident. Of all of those situations, how many people were hurt in those accidents? And of THOSE situations, how many people were killed?

I can tell you right now, I can not think of a SINGLE accident that happened during a race that I personally knew about. I can only think of 2 fatalities, and I heard about both on the news or from online. This recent wreck, and when that guy Caleb crashed (which I believe occurred after he raced).

Again, I am not trying to say that street racing ISN'T dangerous.....only that the likelihood of something horrific happening is EXTREMELY inflated by media and propaganda. Even for the numbers of fatalities we do have, the REAL important number is how many innocent people that aren't involved in the races died. I personally have no problem with people killing themselves through their own choices.....it's no different than skydiving or mountain climbing, and having an accident. It's just when you hurt other people who aren't involved that it becomes a problem to society, and I have not seen enough evidence to support the media claims on how problematic this is to our society.


Edit: I forgot, there was one accident. I was trying to get next to a Viper one night to see if he wanted to pull over and chat (or run). I saw him turn off the highway, and I turned on the same road.....he immediately nailed it once he got off on the side road. To this day, I don't know if it was because he was trying to "race" me, or if he was just hotdogging the car for the hell of it, since he'd just bought it. I punched it for a second at first to catch up to him (I was behind him, not next to him), then quickly let off. He continued to fly through the windy road, and lost control and flipped the car in front of me. It could have been a fatal crash, and they were lucky that they walked away with only bumps and scratches.

[T.S.]

Thats a big ass quote so I'm not going to quote the whole thing Lank. I get what your saying without proof there is no hard evidence. But you also have to understand that going at high rates of speed where other motorist not participating in the activities are, you are more likely for things to go wrong correct?? You cant sit there and tell me that all of the incidents that happen in georgia due to street racing you have heard about. B/c that would just be retarded on your part. You said yourself how many hundreds or even thousands of races go on through out the US without any record what-so-ever. Now think about how many possible accidents could have come from that and just like this situation off 285 if the car traveling at a high rate of speed got in an accident and hurt himself, what would happen to those that were watching him?? Flee, correct? (Like Fast and Furious! COPS COPS COPS! haha) But you get what im saying. Just like the mustang they left the scene of the crime. So by the time the cops show up, with no witnesses its just a dumbass kid who wrecked his car. So its precieved as an accident not a street race gone bad. Get what Im saying?

[T.S.]

http://www.evostreetracers.com/stree...accidents.html

Found something to keep the kids quiet for a minute. A website with over 130 reported accidents this year alone for street racing. Their's your hard evidence.

[T.S.]

I'm calling you out sir.

where are we going out too?

[2.3 Evo 8]

So no reports hold any merit with you, but the one from an nhra site and statistics about 65-70 year olds. Are you really that dumb?

[Lankhoss]

http://www.evostreetracers.com/stree...accidents.html

Found something to keep the kids quiet for a minute. A website with over 130 reported accidents this year alone for street racing. Their's your hard evidence.

Well over 30 of those are from other countries.

So we're halfway through 2009 and there are a little over 100 reported accidents from our country. I'll shoot high and say we get 250 accidents for the year, in the entire country. I'm sorry, but I just don't see how this is a major problem.

This site - http://www.smartmotorist.com/traffic...d-crashes.html claims that falling asleep is about 10 times more dangerous to society than street racing is.

[Lankhoss]

So no reports hold any merit with you, but the one from an nhra site and statistics about 65-70 year olds. Are you really that dumb?

Shhhhhh, Phil! The adults are talking here.

[btstone]

Shhhhhh, Phil! The adults are talking here.

he is posting shit on other sites trying to talk shit on me..lol

[2.3 Evo 8]

You've never ran a 9 sec pass and you aren't the 3rd fastest s2k in the world. Funny shit though.

Brad, you'll always be a little ignorant boy. Difference between you and I is, next time I see you I'll be right there confronting you about your mouth. You won't say anything in person. Can't wait for our date!

[btstone]

You've never ran a 9 sec pass and you aren't the 3rd fastest s2k in the world. Funny shit though.

!

i have never claimed to run a 9 sec pass. i will soon. = Fact

do you even know what other 2 S2000s i am talking about?

phil is acting like a whining ignorant bitch = FACT

its one thing to talk shit on lank. its another to talk shit about me that you know nothing about. ...come back with some lame ass come back, but truth is........................

you have been sat the fuck down bitch