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    i ordered new brakes for the vette. i pnly put the fornts on because it tok so long. i had to hand paint my calipers because the ones i ordered were a little too bulky and wouldnt work with my wheels. love my new drilled rotors.. i will do the rears when the rear pads come in. but the look awesome. tell me what you think

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    Looks good, man. What all you have planned for it? Or are you just going to go with whatever comes up at the time?
    Back to being stock and slow

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    looks bangin'



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    looks really good bro


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    Dam, I want it...Thats one sweet looking ride.
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    dam that looks 10x better! planning on painting them blue at some point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach'N'U
    dam that looks 10x better! planning on painting them blue at some point?
    read the post...i just spent a few hours painting them red

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    read the post...i just spent a few hours painting them red
    What took so long?

    They have the brush style and spray style paint. The spray style is better b/c it gets into the little areas better and drivers super quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyF
    What took so long?

    They have the brush style and spray style paint. The spray style is better b/c it gets into the little areas better and drivers super quick.

    -Ant.
    i got the brush kind because i didnt want to spend foreve taping off the word CORVETTE on the caliper so i brushed them on and was extremely careful. i used like4 coats of paint

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    i got the brush kind because i didnt want to spend foreve taping off the word CORVETTE on the caliper so i brushed them on and was extremely careful. i used like4 coats of paint
    It's called "liquid masking film" or even filling up the letters with paste wax and cleaning around them with a cotton swap dipped in paint thinner. After the paint drys you simply remove the film or wax.


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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    i got the brush kind because i didnt want to spend foreve taping off the word CORVETTE on the caliper so i brushed them on and was extremely careful. i used like4 coats of paint
    Ahh gotcha. if you had a steady hand, you could have sprayed the entire caliper, then got a wiz wheel or some other orbital sander and lightly touched the words to knock off the paint. I'm creative.

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    sweet you should bring that out to a track day and get your ass whooped...itll be fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    sweet you should bring that out to a track day and get your ass whooped...itll be fun
    it is slow....i wont be racing it....
    i have a s2000 i race

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    it is slow....i wont be racing it....
    i have a s2000 i race
    Oh sweet...why don't you bring that sweet little road course terror out to the next track event....or can you only drive in a straight line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    Oh sweet...why don't you bring that sweet little road course terror out to the next track event....or can you only drive in a straight line.
    pussies turn corners...they cant handle the power it takes to run straight

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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    pussies turn corners...they cant handle the power it takes to run straight

    LOL...OK big boy...you get that line from your big brother? Lame
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    Quote Originally Posted by btstone
    pussies turn corners...they cant handle the power it takes to run straight

    lol that was lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    sweet you should bring that out to a track day and get your ass whooped...itll be fun
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    Oh sweet...why don't you bring that sweet little road course terror out to the next track event....or can you only drive in a straight line.
    Anything with cross drilled rotors isn't built for the track anyways! It's a hard parking trailer queen.

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    Your a real racer...huh...lol

    When do you want to run I've got a new toy I bought just for street racing and I hope you are bringing something faster than a claimed 10.2 car
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    Your a real racer...huh...lol

    When do you want to run I've got a new toy I bought just for street racing and I hope you are bringing something faster than a claimed 10.2 car
    never claimed a time.....but i wouldnt consider you a real racer

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    Hes a punk, his brother used to run off at the mouth just like him all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    Hes a punk, his brother used to run off at the mouth just like him all the time.
    doesnt suprise me any!!! i learned the hard way and i just wanted to see this sub10sec s2k even if i lost!


    and if he doesnt consider you a 'real racer' then i guess i'm not either and i just got back from the track a few hours ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    Hes a punk, his brother used to run off at the mouth just like him all the time.
    you can tell that to my brothers face.......its easy to say it to me...


    sniff sniff, i smell pussy

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    Its been said to his face plenty of times by lots of people. I would try and count all the races he punked out on but I only went to highschool so I can't count that high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Baller
    Hes a punk, his brother used to run off at the mouth just like him all the time.
    Internet gangsters at work

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    Oh yeah, i almost forgot. thanks for ruining my thread..Bitches

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    lol at saying baller, and big dave aren't real racers...

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    Hey Dave when is the next time you are going to silver dollar? I've been itching to go lately and just waiting on a track day to come up with good weather and I'll be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedIXMR
    Hey Dave when is the next time you are going to silver dollar? I've been itching to go lately and just waiting on a track day to come up with good weather and I'll be there.
    whatup?!?!? we've been the last 4 weekends in a row. we're goin drifting this sat. so this weekend is out but maybe the next fri night or something. just lmk what your sched is and i'll try to go down with yall
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    LOL at drilled calipers.

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    oh yeah, here's a good read for people that aren't a dumbass like me.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.xtremeimportperformance.com/tech-page/cross-drilled-rotors-myth
    No, cross-drilling doesn't help. this might be a long post if i try to answer all the possible questions, we'll see.


    First and foremost, the purpose of the brake rotor is as a surface for the friction compound (brake pad to act upon) and as a heatsink. The brakes slow down/stop the car simply by converting kinetic energy into heat energy by means of friction. The reason rotors are big heavy things is because they need to be able to absorb the energy in the form of heat. The main reason for Big Brake Kits is not really to increase braking torque (how much force the brakes can retard wheel rotation with) but simply to install bigger rotors that can handle more heat. If you wanted to increase braking torque ONLY, you could do that simply by using higher friction coefficient (known as Mu) brake pads. On street tires, all that would do is make it easier to lock up your wheels when braking.

    How well a brake system (not looking at the brake pads yet) handles heat is affected by how much heat the rotors can absorb and also how quickly they dissipate the heat they do absorb. The more mass, the more heat they can absorb, the better the airflow over and through the rotor, the more effectively the rotor can transfer that heat to the ambient air flowing over it.

    Vented rotors make use of this by increasing the surface area and airflow and directionally vented rotors are even more effective. A vented or directionally vented rotor acts in a similar fashion to an impeller blade/wheel (like a turbo compressor or hairdryer). The spinning action forces air outwards from the center and it induces airflow through the rotor with cold air being sucked in at the center and the hot air being flung out the edges. Vented rotors dissipate heat much better than non-vented rotors and directionally vented rotors improve the effectiveness.

    Crossdrilling on the other hand does NOT show appreciable cooling differences when in use. They will help cool the rotor qucker when the car is stopped and sitting but they actually REDUCE the heat capacity of the braking system when the car is being driven hard making the brakes actually run a little hotter. So you're thinking, "Wait a minute,... say what? If increasing surface area means better heat dissipation, then more holes means more surface area, so it should help at least a bit right?" Wrong.

    The crossdrilled holes do not act the same as the vented passages in the rotor. The venting is radial to the rotation and draws air through the vanes. the cross drilled holes are axial to rotation. The difference in airflow when you're blowing through a straw (the vented vanes) as opposed to blowing across the hole of the straw is huge. Now you're thinking, yeah, but they use devices like paint guns that work by drawing paint out of the bottle by blowing compressed air over the thin tube. Well, you're talking about Bernoulli's principle here.

    Fast moving air has lower pressure than slow moving or stagnant air. The fast moving air over the tube is at lower pressure than the air in the spray gun bottle so the higher pressure pushes paint out and Voila, you're apinting your car/house/whatever. The principle doesn't work when the air is moving fast over both ends of the tube (in this case, the hole drilled through the rotor. There is no significant airflow through those holes when the rotor is spinning and any airflow is FAR less tha the airflow through the vanes in a vented rotor. Ah... now you see,... but wait, wasn't there a mention of higher temps due to cross-drilling? Even if the airflow is minimal in the drilled holes, why would it cause higher temps? Because it reduces the mass of the rotor, thus reducing it's capacity for absorbing heat.

    What happens when you use your brakes hard? Well the brakes get hot obviously. But what would a brake rotor temperature chart look like? Well, upon first application of the brakes, the temp rise is very rapid and increase as long as the brakes are applied and the wheels are still turning (friction still producing more heat). then when you let off the brakes, the temps level out and start to drop. They drop faster if the car is stil moving since there's more air flowing over the rotors, but they don't completely cool off that rapidly. if you're driving hard and braking a lot, the rotors never cool off, but each subsequent braking event adds more heat to the rotor potentially before it can dissipate it. This is where rotor size and thermal capacity comes in.

    if you plan on driving hard and doing a lot of hard braking, you need to make sure you have enough rotor mass to absorb all that heat because if you don't, you could exceed the thermal capacity of the rotors to act as heatsinks. When that happens, your rotors simply can't dissipate the heat as fast as you're putting them into the rotors and since any guven material of a set mass has a specific thermal capacity, once you reach this point, the rotor cannot efficiently absorb the heat anymore and the brake rotor and pad temperatures will rise very rapidly with each application of the brakes. The temps shoot up fast and high enough to easily exceed the MOT (maximum operating temp) of the brake pads and you get pad fade. You can also get things so hot that it boils the brake fluid in the calipers and this is also where it's possible to actually warp rotors. You can identify a rotor that has really been warped. It changes color. You'll see a bluish boundary somwhere between the rotor and hat as the heat at that point changes the molecular structure of the metal. The heat stress is visible.

    Cross-drilling = less mass, = less capacity to absorb heat before this point is reached. when you're running close to the edge of the thermal capacity, the brake system will be consistently a little hotter because it's easier to push the system with less mass and thermal capacity over the edge.

    There's also the problem that cross-drilling causes stress risers on the rotors. coupled with the thermal expansion that occurs during braking and repeated hard use, the holes make it much easier to develop deep stress cracks in the rotors. There's a reason NO race team that uses iron rotors has cross-drilled rotors. They use either plain or slotted rotors. The cross-drilling simply reduces the thermal capacity AND weakens the rotor courting the possibility of failure from stress cracks actually leading to a fragged rotor.

    Now, there will inevitably arise the question of, "Well Brembo is one of the biggest brake companies around and they drill their rotors. if anyone would know about the effectiveness, they should. on top of that, all the Supercar companies like Porsche, Ferrari etc, have crossdrilled rotors. They build their names on performance. They would know what's effective and what's not". yes, they would. They know what affects their sales.

    The reason big companies still produce crossdrilled rotors and have them on their cars is because most people are clueless sheep. Most folks don't know why rotors were originally cross drilled. They don't know why race teams won't use them. All they know is that from way back in the day, a true sportscar always had crossdrilled rotors (back in the day when brake pads sucked).

    You want to know why 'sportscar' companies still put drilled rotors on their cars? An insider who was actually involved in the actual testing of the brake rotors fessed up about it. They conducted tests with plain and drilled rotors and concluded and confirmed that the plain rotors had no downsides and in fact were better in hard braking than the crossdrilled rotors AND would save the company a little money not having the crossdrilled option. And when they put them on cars, customers commented that, "For a performance car, they should have at least gone through the trouble/expense of putting on high performance crossdrilled brakes". They realized that this is the general public perception, so even though they had concluded that the plain rotors wree better, they put crossdrilled rotors back on the cars. If that's what the public thinks and wants, that's what a good business provides.

    Don't consider if something is good because a well-known company uses it. The true test is in racing. They are the ones looking for the edge and weeding out the crap.


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    To add to this, performance rotors are slotted to help clean the surface of the pad. If you've ever driven a car HARD then you know what happens when brake dust glazes on a pad. The slots keep the pad surface clean to prevent said glazing.

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    Hrmm, wonder what Tire Racks reasoning behind saying this is? Maybe 4 different cars in one weekend at VIR with fragged rotors had something to do with it?

    http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brake...+Drilled+Rotor

    "NOTE: Brembo Sport drilled brake rotors are not recommended by The Tire Rack for track use or intended to be used in conjunction with race compound brake pads on the street. For severe duty brake demands see Brembo Sport slotted brake rotors."

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    its funny you posted all that for a car i dont race. i drive this car to work dumbass...and I said that on the first or second page...READING>you
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    Brandon you really are going to far with this one. Dave is a good guy and very fun to be around at the track. He has already done the shit we are doing and keeps it legal now. You need to drop it and let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmackedInATL
    Brandon you really are going to far with this one. Dave is a good guy and very fun to be around at the track. He has already done the shit we are doing and keeps it legal now. You need to drop it and let it go.
    who started it..DAVE..

    im just finishing his bitch ass

    And for such a "well respected" person to act like this is beyond me....all he has done is assume things about someone he doesnt know nor has ever met, and has been wrong about everything he has said
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    IM CURIOUS...



    DOESNT IT MATTER WHAT WAY YOU PUT SLOTTED/DRILLED ROTORS ON?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    IM CURIOUS...



    DOESNT IT MATTER WHAT WAY YOU PUT SLOTTED/DRILLED ROTORS ON?
    yes. i though it looked odd, but they were marked with little stickers on them for the right and left sides

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    IM CURIOUS...



    DOESNT IT MATTER WHAT WAY YOU PUT SLOTTED/DRILLED ROTORS ON?
    It's not whats ont he outside, it's the fins on the inside. OEM basic rotors on most cars are vertical. Performance rotors generally have a curve to them to dissipate the heat.

    But I agree with Speedminded. They aren't for performance, just "bling" but bstone isn't saying they are better. He bought them to look a little better.

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    I HOPE THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT I PUT MY ROTORS ON THE WRONG SIDE...MINE ARE TURNED THE OTHER WAY...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammich
    I HOPE THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT I PUT MY ROTORS ON THE WRONG SIDE...MINE ARE TURNED THE OTHER WAY...
    i looked at them for like 5 minutes....at first i thought the stickers were on the wrong side but. on the pics on the box it looked like that. they are BAER rotors

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