And take a look at these two videos. They're 2 hours each, but are very excellent movies.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Open your mind a little...
And take a look at these two videos. They're 2 hours each, but are very excellent movies.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
What are these about? I was supposed to watch them for a speech class but I skipped those classes in which we watched them.
Personally, once I started watching....I couldn't stop. It's basically a very well researched and well put together movie of some extremely serious problems in our society.
It goes beyond violence and poverty, and makes an attempt to look several layers deep into what the ACTUAL root of the problems are that we see on the surface on a daily basis.
Well i watched the first one today...since i have been runing a fever and coughing up a lung along with being congested and drainage..(prob got from thacker thursday night..thanks) but it was a good documentery. i think a lot of is conspiracy theory...but A LOT of was very true. me working for a bank knewa lot of how the monetary system of debt is circulatedOriginally Posted by Lankhoss
You will probably appreciate the 2nd video even more then, Btstone. The first half, at least....it focuses more on the money system, and it's fatal flaw in design.
It's borderline conspiracy theory, however I consider "conspiracy theory" something where someone claims to know the absolute truth. I don't feel this documentary gives you absolute answers, but rather looks at facts in history and relates them to what is going on today.
they're good movies, and they def give you a different perspective on things, which is always good
I have been trying to get people to watch these videos. This gives you an idea on how our monetary system has placed one of the biggest handicaps on the growth of man kind. In the second half of the 2nd movie (Addendum), he pushes the idea of the Venus project which seems to be the only solution to all of the shit that he explains throughout the video, the only thing is, it would have to be created under a monetary system, hence never going to happen(Def. not in the this generation). Debt in this fucked up economy is always going to be greater than the money that is usable.
I've had some pretty long conversations with Rick about this, and even if the idea of The Venus Project was accepted, there's no way it would be completed during our lifetime. To completely change the world's social system could take hundreds of years.
But let's say tomorrow the entire world agreed (we all know that wouldn't happen, because religious and rich and/or powerful people will strongly be opposed to this)...but let's say it did. I still speculate it would take 3 generations to truely learn how to live in this society.
So...it's difficult to motivate people to support it, since it will never ever be seen in our lifetime.
Personaly, I'd rather dedicate my life to something meaningful than continue to work in the fucked up situation our world is in right now, even if I never fully benefited from it.
Honestly man, the Venus project is a beautiful theory, but it will never ever, EVER happen, in any lifetime...unless they were able to genetically engineer humans with certain traits only and place them on a Venus project planet, completely away from any and all corrupt humans and basically generate an entire new species. I don't even know what I should dedicate my life to in the next few years...the whole 2012 thing is not looking too good either...if you know about that stuff.
Check out this interview with the director Peter Joseph..
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQRnj...e=channel_page
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8s4K...e=channel_page
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_-r0...e=channel_page
the venus project is so much like Marxism its crazy. its a theory that will never work. not everyone is goign to want to pull equal weight. and soem are motivated to better than others. you take away ppl incentives to have better things, than ppl stop working
I've seen a lot of interviews with Peter Joseph, but not those...watching now.
Venus Project would never work, ONLY because the system we have now is so fucked up. It's not because humans don't have the capability to work together like that, but for years and years and years the entire world has based its socieities around corruption....so that's all we know. We have also been conditioned to the idea that we need to be controlled. That control comes from several different things....religion, laws, money, rights, etc. It's such a profound idea, that people IMMEDIATELY freak out at the idea of pure freedom (chaos). You couldn't just flip a switch and change things today, because people are still in our current type of mentality...this is something that would have to be slowly worked in over a long period of time.
If you look at the history of the earth, humans are such a "lolwut" part of it. We are so worthless, and haven't been around as long as a lot of things that are here. We basically fucked up big time and we'll wipe ourselves off this planet pretty soon I'm sure....and the Earth herself won't give a fuck.
Last edited by Lankhoss; 05-04-2009 at 12:36 PM.
You will have incentives, you just will earn them differently. You won't have to work a 9-5 to put food on the table, you will still have to do "chores" as what they call it. Basically, there will be no money involved, most things will be electronic and robotic controlled, and we will just be doing things that they cannot complete. Research will be a huge priority in that world, and theoretically, technology would be taken to a whole new light if the Venus project was to ever go through. I think the humans as is, are too corrupt to even think this would work.
The sad thing is, in a Venus project type of world, I could still see greedy Lobbyists or Politicians doing something corrupt, but instead of money, it will just be some other form of bribery or incentive. We might be able to do away with the monetary system, but the curiosity and greed of the human will never go away.
good post!
I think a LOT of greed and hunger for power would go away with a system like this. I can't say for sure, but in a resource-based system there just wouldn't be any room for it.
Think about someone you would consider an "angry" person...hell, it can be yourself. Now, change absolutely nothing about yourself but removing the things out of your life that piss you off.....asshole drivers, bums bugging you for change in the parking lot, rude people holding up lines at restaurants, etc. What if they all magically disappeared? Would you be a different person? No. Would you still be an angry person? Difficult question...because you're the same, but there aren't certain things in your life that trigger this emotion.
Same thing applies for humans in general. A lot of the arguments out there are nature vs. nurture. Peter Joseph believes everything is pretty much 100% nurture, that we are products of our own surroundings. I believe it's both. I think we are born with instincts that don't change no matter what the situation, and I think we are also born with other emotions that we cannot change about ourselves, but might not experience if we are not put in certain situations.
Greed, jealousy, and anger would be all but gone....not because they "disappear," but the situation that brings this out in all of us would be gone.
Think about what MOST crimes are about. Theft, assault/murder, drugs. There is something to be gained from nearly 100% of the crimes people commit...that's why they do them. You take away money and power...there would be no incentive whatsoever to steal from someone. You take away social and economic status and power given to certain individuals, and there is hardly any reason to become angry at or jealous of someone. You let people LIVE FREE instead of keeping them in a life of servitude to what these powerful people THINK we should all be doing, as well as removing money and "power" from society, and there's not nearly as much desire to rebel or "get away" from reality by doing drugs, nor is there any monetary or power to be gained by dealing them.
Basically, you trust people and give them the CHANCE to succeed on their own instead of trying to control them with notions of good and evil and laws.....you trust in yourself, and humanity in general, and you might just find out the true potential that we as a species are born with.
where does street racing, or racing and cars and shit fall into VENUS
That's a good way to assume things, but how can you say greed, anger and jealousy will not be there in this new world? Do you think those three emotions are only triggered by stuff like stupid drivers and bums? I don't think so, he is trying to create a world in which there will be no monetary system and everything will be self-sustainable. There is still room for emotions. There will still be crimes, but they would have probably dropped drastically. Since people will not be forced to commit crimes to put food on their table, I am thinking most crimes would be committed in this new world would be because of pure hate or jealousy. Just as technology would be taken to a new level, I also think a lot of other things would as well.
my computer is fucked up and I have no audio so i cant watch...
Our society is setup now, where the most rich and powerful live the best lives (at least that's what we're exposed to). Therefore, you give people this desire....and that desire can turn to envy and anger, when you see others having what you want.
You have a system where there isn't a social hierarchy, and there really is just no reason to be jealous of someone in a LOT of cases. There will still be jealousy over better looking people, or people with better personality traits.....getting a girl you want, etc. So I don't think it will be eliminated. However, these...."bad" traits that we possess, are currently EXPLOITED by our social system. This Venus Project idea tries to take focus away from that.
I personally believe that greed, anger, jealousy and other things could also be inflated by stress. Maybe I'm not so pissed off or greedy, but if my life goes to shit I may all of a sudden get pissed off at people who are making good money and/or have a beautiful wife and kids. Lower tension, in general, will help people cope MUCH better with things that may irritate them, I believe. There'd just be a LOT more stuff to focus on, and people wouldn't be so consumed by this stuff.
Oh I completely agree that greed anger, and jealousy are presently inflated by stress in the political and social system. However in Venus project world, where mostly everyone will have equal facilities and amenities, more of the stress will be focused on the social life. Crimes may still be committed by people simply being jealous, even though there is a very low stress level in this world compared to Earth. Who really knows though, it currently is just a theory...a very detailed one though.
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