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You are correct. But BOTH drivers know the risk. On the highway, ONE driver knows the risk. You think the mother who loads her toddlers into a van to go to Kids-R-Us thought that she was going to be in the middle of a street race when she woke up that morning? Doubt it.



You are right, there is more risk, TO YOURSELF, on a mountain road. Once again, you think only of yourself and not of the innocent people. On a mountain road, you might screw up and hit one car, but odds are you will wipe yourself out only. On a highway, lets say I-85 in Gwinnett, where 99% of the BP crowd goes to show off their mechanical prowress, your odds of taking multiple people out with you are much greater. Plus, I dunno who the hell you race on the highway but when I see them go down, they aren't going in a straight line. They are weaving in and out of traffic trying to win and thats when **** goes bad. It only takes one person (Not in the race, doesn't know the risk and not looking in their rear view mirror because they weren't informed that a street race was coming their way giving them ample oppurtunity to leave the roadway) to change lanes and it's a multiple car pile up with possible fatalities.

So what are you trying to say here?

Apparently you didn't comprehend my post.

They're both 'wrong' and illegal. Neither is less illegal. Who made you the end-all in deciding what's safer and what percentage there is of only taking yourself out on a mountain road? How about the family that going driving down that mountain or the bikers that are cruising around don't get hit from behind on someone trying to show off their driving skill?

Re-read my post because you apparently failed to see my point. I never condoned racing when there are cars around. I said the only times I street race are when there's not a single other car in front of us or on the roads.

When I go racing, both drivers of both cars know the risk and there aren't any other cars on the road involved.

[Glides]

Who made you the end-all in deciding what's safer and what percentage there is of only taking yourself out on a mountain road? How about the family that going driving down that mountain or the bikers that are cruising around don't get hit from behind on someone trying to show off their driving skill?

Hmm, I wasn't aware I was the end all of safe mountain driving, but apparantly you think I am so, thanks. I guess the answer to your question is, you did. No need to get all angry over this, it's just a conversation. Sounded to me like you were condoning street racing, if I was wrong, I apologize. Now lets get to the other stuff.

Mountains. Anyone who runs a mountain road (seriously) usually does it in the off season. At least, I did when I ran the Dragon for 3 years. Going up there in the middle of the summer and trying to run it is both dangerous, wreckless and opening yourself up to multiple tickets and loss of license. Also, if you look at the wreck record for the Dragon (one road), most wrecks are single vehicle accidents. Some are multiple when say a tractor trailer gets stuck and 5 or 6 bikes plow into it. But for the most part, they are singles.

See, I can safely say that because I spent almost every other weekend up there, I lived 10 mins away. I saw what went on, who went on, lots of wrecks, a dead body and other fun and interesting stuff. The odds for involving other cars in an accident on a highway is way greater than on a mountain road. There just aren't as many cars.

Even the Dragon, where it's packed, there just isn't the same amount of volume. And the people that are up there, 99% of them know the risk. They know that at any moment, some dumbass can overcook the turn and end up in their lane. The odd family who gets on the road and knows not what it is happens, but not that much. Most people go to the Dragon knowing full well what goes on up there. Thats why on certain weekend there are upwards of 25-50 cops up there.

Mountain driving is not safe. By any means. But the slow speeds (because only on a few straights up there on the Dragon can you hit 75, most of it is done in the 35-55 range, Blood Mountain is different, faster) usually keep the terror down to all but the bikes. Most deaths up there are bikes that hit the walls. Highway racing is much faster, in a less controlled environment where multiple lanes of traffic can converge into yours at a moments notice and cause havoc.

If you have done any mountain driving you should know the difference. It's a huge one. Moutains take a trip to get too. So most inexperienced drivers don't go up there. They would rather hang out at the BP and thats where most of the dumb **** happens. The remote location of the moutains usually keep the less serious away.

[iloveboost]

Hmm, I wasn't aware I was the end all of safe mountain driving, but apparantly you think I am so, thanks. I guess the naswer to your question is, you did. No need to get all angry over this, it's just a conversation. Sounded to me like you were condoning street racing, if I was wrong, I apologize. Now lets get to the other stuff.

Mountains. Anyone who runs a mountain road (seriously) usually does it in the off season. At least, I did when I ran the Dragon for 3 years. Going up there in the middle of the summer and trying to run it is both dangerous, wreckless and opening yourself up to multiple tickets and loss of license. Also, if you look at the wreck record for the Dragon (one road), most wrecks are single vehicle accidents. Some are multiple when say a tractor trailer gets stuck and 5 or 6 bikes plow into it. But for the most part, they are singles.

See, I can safely say that because I spent almost every other weekend up there, I lived 10 mins away. I saw what went on, who went on, lots of wrecks, a dead body and other fun and interesting stuff. The odds for involving other cars in an accident on a highway is way greater than on a mountain road. There just aren't as many cars.

Even the Dragon, where it's packed, there just isn't the same amount of volume. And the people that are up there, 99% of them know the risk. They know that at any moment, some dumbass can overcook the turn and end up in their lane. The odd family who gets on the road and knows not what it is happens, but not that much. Most people go to the Dragon knowing full well what goes on up there. Thats why on certain weekend there are upwards of 25-50 cops up there.

Mountain driving is not safe. By any means. But the slow speeds (because only on a few straights up there can you hit 75, most of it is done in the 35-55 range) usually keep the terror down to all but the bikes. Most deaths up tehre are bikes that hit the walls.

If you have done any mountain driving you should know the difference. It's a huge one.

And you'd apparently be wrong. And I'm far from angry or upset. I, too, am just having a conversation.

Just because the risk is lower and the fatalities are fewer, it doesn't mean its any less illegal and wrong. Those drivers are at as much fault as the common 16-year-old weaving in and out of traffic. Although there aren't many families that go through there, all it takes is one screw up by any single person up there.

I didn't know that everyone that travels down that road knows there are motorcyclists and car enthusiasts speeding through the roads. Is there some signs posted? There are 25-50 cops there on any given weekend for a reason.

Highway racing is much faster, in a less controlled environment where multiple lanes of traffic can converge into yours at a moments notice and cause havoc.

Yeah, because I always race i the heart of Atlanta.

Again, we use just as much caution when racing on a 2 lane road when there aren't any other cars around just like the bikers racing through the mountains and crashing into the walls and killing themselves.

If you want to debate which is "safer". We do it between midnight and 4:00am when there are no other cars in sight on a secluded road and it's 2 cars racing. Not with hundreds of other cars/bikes during the day on a 2 lane road where the margin for error is much less. You're seperated by other motorists, a mountain wall, trees and a cliff.

Either way, safety is not even a valid arguement in the situation. There's only unsafe and less safe. It's no one's right to assume liability for others.

[Glides]

Just because the risk is lower and the fatalities are fewer, it doesn't mean its any less illegal and wrong. Those drivers are at as much fault as the common 16-year-old weaving in and out of traffic. Although there aren't many families that go through there, all it takes is one screw up by any single person up there.

Agreed, 100% brother.

I didn't know that everyone that travels down that road knows there are motorcyclists and car enthusiasts speeding through the roads. Is there some signs posted? There are 25-50 cops there on any given weekend for a reason.

I never said everyone does. Most people do. You get the odd ones that don't but most people up there do. Does that make it right? No. Just stating facts.

Yeah, because I always race i the heart of Atlanta.

Never said you did..did I? Am I missing where I said that? Ok.

Again, we use just as much caution when racing on a 2 lane road when there aren't any other cars around just like the bikers racing through the mountains and crashing into the walls and killing themselves.

Um....I don't think that came out right so i'm not going to agree quickly. Because when I think of bikers crashing into walls and killing themselves, caution is the last word that comes to mind.

If you want to debate which is "safer". We do it between midnight and 4:00am when there are no other cars in sight on a secluded road and it's 2 cars racing. Not with hundreds of other cars/bikes during the day on a 2 lane road where the margin for error is much less. You're seperated by other motorists, a mountain wall, trees and a cliff.

I didn't want to debate safety, you did. Thats why you appointed me "Safe Mountain driving" advocate for the state of Georgia. But to answer your question, none of it is safe.

Either way, safety is not even a valid arguement in the situation. There's only unsafe and less safe. It's no one's right to assume liability for others.

Another 100% agreed man. You get good reps for that. One is stupid, and one is more stupid.

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Well, lunchtime!

My only point was there are other types of illegal racing done on private and public roads. Not just drag racing on a highway. There are some people that like to look down on drag racers when they're out drifting in parking lots, defacing private property by leaving tire marks and going fast through twisty, residential roads.

It's all illegal and wrong. The key is to do it safely and to not involve other people that are oblivious to the fact that it's going on.