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man

10-26-2006, 02:31 PM

Lol,@ the advertising...

Ummmm.... futureslackers.blogspot.com

bwahahaha

4dmin

10-26-2006, 02:31 PM

What year? Now the A3 would get killed, its a nice hatchback but even with the V-6, would get beat by a m3.....

Now Europe does have a S3, just debuted, with a 260hp I-4..that would be a good race.

Did u mean S4?

nope a lightly modded A3 2.0t vs. DinanM3 :goodjob: (i put my money on the audi)

kendogg

10-26-2006, 02:32 PM

here's a tip for you to consider when conducting future arguments, DON'T come into a thread completely thread crapping, putting down cars you don't prefer and referring to their owners as STUPID. that might help ppl better see YOUR side of the "argument" (if that's what you can even call what you and dinanm3 came in here with) :goodjob:

I'm pretty sure that wasn't me actually. I could be wrong though. If I am, well, sorry.

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 02:33 PM

cuz it wouldn't be fair....for the bimmer :D

in all seriousness, that'd be a nice race :goodjob:
RS4 weighs 3900 lbs. It has a 420hp V-8....AWD with 60/40 RWD bias, the first AUdi to do so for a more sporting feel.
M3 is 3300 lbs, 333hp, RWD...

In mags it has been a toss-up, some prefer the RS4, some still like the ligher M3.
The E46 M3 has just been a magazine darling...C55 and S4 cannot match in overall dynamics.

MongolPup

10-26-2006, 02:33 PM

Man, I think the title is misleading. The bimmer owners don't have beef with everyone on IA, and everyone on IA doesn't hate them either. I know personally I'm laughing at you guys, because all you've really done is make a terrible showing of yourselves and, if you want to connect them (and you have), the brand of cars you own.

Way to go everyone.

Paul PM me lol.

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 02:33 PM

nope a lightly modded A3 2.0t vs. DinanM3 :goodjob: (i put my money on the audi)
You know what, I totally forgot you can chip the crap outta that engine. Damn, good point, very good point!

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 02:34 PM

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1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 02:35 PM

well DinanM3 has everyhing minus turbo/sc if i'm not mistaken and he makes 220whp... my 1.8t golf made more power on 19's
220whp is nothing unless you have a very very light car....like your golf :)

man

10-26-2006, 02:36 PM

4dmin

10-26-2006, 02:37 PM

You know what, I totally forgot you can chip the crap outta that engine. Damn, good point, very good point!

a GIAC chipped 2.0t is roughly going to have 250whp/300lbs + exhaust + dp + intake + rollcage + track tires = ownage by mom's station wagon :lmfao:

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 02:38 PM

You guys talk about straihgt-line racing, why not run a stock STi on the highway vs. a stock M3? Yeah, anybdoyu willa dmit that the STi will rape it off the line, but it's AWD< so be hoenst, it does have ana dvantage tehre. The gearing sucks for highway sue, thoguh, double overdrives, vs. the close ratio 5 speed the M3 uses, and yes, STOCK E36 M3's have slightly pulled stock STi's to the 155 mph limiter on the M3. Modded, thast a whole nother story. The STi becomes alot more of a monster with basic turbo mods.

That is the first post that remotely resembles a coherent statement.

You're absolutely correct. This is exactly what several people have tried to say several different times. Comparing an M3 to a G35 is NOT a fair comparison. Comparing an STI vs an M3 from a DIG is also not a fair comparison. ANY car can and sometimes is better than ANY other car given the right mix of circumstances. But to say that my BMW's shit don't stink merely because it's a BMW is stupid because shit is shit. It stinks regardless.

Your buddy wants to race at a track, fine. Road Atlanta is a track, but so is Commerce and SDR. Why is one track a track and the other not in his book??? Because he'd get his ass handed to him in one and not the other. That doesn't make his car the ultimate anything, except in one place. That's been the point all along.

I'd put my money on Matt's SE-R, or Val's Evo, or Matt's WRX, or Patrycja's Supra, or Turbo Dave's 240, or Charles' Evo, or a ton of other people's cars against MR. Dinan and his M3 in a host of races. Problem is your buddy only wants to race in the race HE thinks HE has the advantage in ONLY. Don't be a pussy if you wanna run your mouth.

The saying goes, "Run what you brung and hope you brung enough!". Not, "Run what I got in my backyard ONLY to make sure I don't get beat, so I can keep the fairy tale of the ultimate driving machine alive..." ;)

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 02:38 PM

Your wrong. Stock to stock, an E36 M3 'usually' will pull on a stock STi, not froma dig, liek I said, but once you get up tehre, all the way to the 155 mpgh limiter on the M3. Do you not read paul?

And hell no I'm not putting my E30 series, (I sold the 5 series forever ago) against an STi, what, do you think I'm stupid? I'm not TAHT dumb, man, I will totally admit I'll get raped in every single category. Myc ar's 20 years old. :shrugs:
There is no way in hell a stock E36 is pulling on a Sti or much anything. We are talking 240hp to THE CRANK. 0-60 in high 5s-low 6s and low to mid 14 second 1/4 mile times. A stock Sti will rape that.

E36 M3 has 240hp to the crank.....it is not a drag car, it is an overall dynamics car, nimble chassis, great handling.

4dmin

10-26-2006, 02:39 PM

220whp is nothing unless you have a very very light car....like your golf :)

i would put my 20 year old GTI up against DinanM3 on the track if my car was preped for it and i'm sporting a stock VR6 (granted i weigh less ;) )

Mike Lowrey

10-26-2006, 02:39 PM

well DinanM3 has everyhing minus turbo/sc if i'm not mistaken and he makes 220whp... my 1.8t golf made more power on 19's

Wow...that is it?

Well I will run him in my non-luxury pos, as he put it..... :D

MongolPup

10-26-2006, 02:40 PM

I don't think everyone has done a terrrible showing at all. SOme of us are having a nice good debate and comparing facts and figures.

Ah forgive me. I didn't read though the whole read, and most of what I DID read was stuff like:

The BMW owners are commenting here
=
those prick BMW fuckers are bitching.

Everyone is putting words in each others mouths, and making assumptions. The same people complaining about how the BMW owners were acting were making statements about how "they all think we are ricers".

It's the pot calling the kettle black son!

ShooterMcGavin

10-26-2006, 02:41 PM

a GIAC chipped 2.0t is roughly going to have 250whp/300lbs + exhaust + dp + intake + rollcage + track tires = ownage by mom's station wagon :lmfao:
are u calling me mom paul? :lmao:

4dmin

10-26-2006, 02:48 PM

Wow...that is it?

Well I will run him in my non-luxury pos, as he put it..... :D

yes i wasn't very impressed either...

NOW I WILL SAY ONE OF THE BADDEST CARS I'VE EVER BEEN IN WAS KENDELS BOOSTED M3 DOING 600+WHP BUT STILL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TONS OF $$$ TO MAKE THAT POWER. I know guys who have put down 450whp on a stock 1.8t block if you want to talk just numbers, but certain cars aren't designed for certain things... German = NO to drag racing but German = YES to track racing. I think BMW are overrated thast just me. For the same $ you can get many other cars and out off all of their lines of vehicles the M series is the only thing worth talking about.

4dmin

10-26-2006, 02:49 PM

are u calling me mom paul? :lmao:

lol basically you got a soccer mom's audi which i would totally rock :D

Nemesis

10-26-2006, 02:50 PM

are u calling me mom paul? :lmao:

we should race for the title of fastest mom wagon

4dmin

10-26-2006, 02:51 PM

we should race for the title of fastest mom wagon

we should make it interesting and have both rides w/ kids in car seats + groceries in the hatch :lmfao:

Mike Lowrey

10-26-2006, 02:53 PM

yes i wasn't very impressed either...

NOW I WILL SAY ONE OF THE BADDEST CARS I'VE EVER BEEN IN WAS KENDELS BOOSTED M3 DOING 600+WHP BUT STILL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TONS OF $$$ TO MAKE THAT POWER. I know guys who have put down 450whp on a stock 1.8t block if you want to talk just numbers, but certain cars aren't designed for certain things... German = NO to drag racing but German = YES to track racing. I think BMW are overrated thast just me. For the same $ you can get many other cars and out off all of their lines of vehicles the M series is the only thing worth talking about.

I actually looked at the BMW before I bought, I am happy with my choice and will not look back.....

dinanm3, care to reply to my request to run your "best car in the world m3"? :goodjob:

Nemesis

10-26-2006, 02:53 PM

we should make it interesting and have both rides w/ kids in car seats + groceries in the hatch :lmfao:

hell yeah, I already did put a soccer ball and baby on board sign up :lmfao:

Ran

10-26-2006, 02:53 PM

I've come to bring my Yaris into the debate. :D

4dmin

10-26-2006, 02:55 PM

hell yeah, I already did put a soccer ball and baby on board sign up :lmfao:

:lmfao: lol

http://www.edrants.com/wp-content/soccermom.jpg

Nemesis

10-26-2006, 02:55 PM

Where's the SRT crowd lol

Ran

10-26-2006, 02:56 PM

Where's the SRT crowd lolAt the shop getting their cars fixed.

Nemesis

10-26-2006, 02:57 PM

At the shop getting their cars fixed.

hahahhaha pwnt or maybe they have to return them to Enterprise.

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10-26-2006, 02:57 PM

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man

10-26-2006, 02:58 PM

Where's the SRT crowd lol

Finally I made the connection. I was wondering what these BMW guys reminded me of and I finally got it. They are the SRT guys with more money...

Mike Lowrey

10-26-2006, 02:58 PM

At the shop getting their cars fixed.

:lmao:

Ran

10-26-2006, 02:59 PM

Finally I made the connection. I was wondering what these BMW guys reminded me of and I finally got it. They are the SRT guys with more money... :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: +1

ShooterMcGavin

10-26-2006, 02:59 PM

hell yeah, I already did put a soccer ball and baby on board sign up :lmfao:
is that pedophile speak/markings to let others know you regularly teabag kids in the back of your wagon??? you sicko :lmao:

Nemesis

10-26-2006, 03:00 PM

is that pedophile speak/markings to let others know you regularly teabag kids in the back of your wagon??? you sicko :lmao:

dude that is sick, you nasty shits are the ones that come up with this junk. :2up:

Ran

10-26-2006, 03:01 PM

is that pedophile speak/markings to let others know you regularly teabag kids in the back of your wagon??? you sicko :lmao:... :ninja: *Takes the signs down off his Yaris* :ninja:

ShooterMcGavin

10-26-2006, 03:01 PM

we should race for the title of fastest mom wagon
what're you talkin about man, you drive a JAP car, it's a POS and not even worthy of bringing my mighty GERMAN engineering marvel out of the garage.....so that was me practicing my holier than thou attitude to ready myself to own a bmw, how'd i do guys???? :lmfao:

ShooterMcGavin

10-26-2006, 03:02 PM

dude that is sick, you nasty shits are the ones that come up with this junk. :2up:

does that mean u don't wanna race anymore? :( :lmao:

Ran

10-26-2006, 03:03 PM

what're you talkin about man, you drive a JAP car, it's a POS and not even worthy of bringing my mighty GERMAN engineering marvel out of the garage.....so that was me practicing my holier than thou attitude to ready myself to own a bmw, how'd i do guys???? :lmfao:I give you 3 Dinan's out of a possible 5. :goodjob:

ShooterMcGavin

10-26-2006, 03:06 PM

I give you 3 Dinan's out of a possible 5. :goodjob:

3 dinans??? that's it??? fuck, i got some more work to do :doh: that's it, saurkraut and knockwurst diet for the rest of the month!

edit: i just noticed ur sig, that's some nasty shit man, i think u and whorgie are birds of a feather :lmao:

Nemesis

10-26-2006, 03:06 PM

what're you talkin about man, you drive a JAP car, it's a POS and not even worthy of bringing my mighty GERMAN engineering marvel out of the garage.....so that was me practicing my holier than thou attitude to ready myself to own a bmw, how'd i do guys???? :lmfao:

LOL damn I forgot

does that mean u don't wanna race anymore? :( :lmao:

I dont mind, lets do dissssssssssssssssss

kendogg

10-26-2006, 03:08 PM

There is no way in hell a stock E36 is pulling on a Sti or much anything. We are talking 240hp to THE CRANK. 0-60 in high 5s-low 6s and low to mid 14 second 1/4 mile times. A stock Sti will rape that.

E36 M3 has 240hp to the crank.....it is not a drag car, it is an overall dynamics car, nimble chassis, great handling.

But the M3 pulls ahrdest in 4th gear. I've driven it. Many times. I've beat bone stock 2g DSM's to about 100 a few times with DinanM3atl's car. gotta keep in mind, the M3 has a close-ratio 5 speed, with a 5th gear 1:1, and it only geared for I beleive 155-160, so the gearing is spot-on for that car. The STi, on the other hand, has 2 OD gears, adn is fairly well known to be a pig over 100 in stock form. Do a lil research,. what I'm, saying is actually true. I used to work at a subaru dealership, I've seen pretty much everythign under the sun done to the STi.

4dmin

10-26-2006, 03:09 PM

lol i just want to post this again \/ for reference... 350z + RX8 = M3 powerlap times... and the R32 has better laps :lmao:

http://forums.importatlanta.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72109&stc=1

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10-26-2006, 03:10 PM

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10-26-2006, 03:11 PM

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OH YA WE ARE ON IA :lmfao:

4dmin

10-26-2006, 03:12 PM

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10-26-2006, 03:12 PM

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10-26-2006, 03:13 PM

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10-26-2006, 03:19 PM

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HalfBaked

10-26-2006, 03:20 PM

lol i just want to post this again \/ for reference... 350z + RX8 = M3 powerlap times... and the R32 has better laps :lmao:

http://forums.importatlanta.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=72109&stc=1
I already posted that!!!

4dmin

10-26-2006, 03:26 PM

^ i know but i orig posted it http://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

by the way h8ters \/

Ran

10-26-2006, 03:27 PM

^ lawl

Scrappy

10-26-2006, 03:27 PM

SCRAPPY>>>> ALL OTHERS :D enough said...

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 03:28 PM

But the M3 pulls ahrdest in 4th gear. I've driven it. Many times. I've beat bone stock 2g DSM's to about 100 a few times with DinanM3atl's car. gotta keep in mind, the M3 has a close-ratio 5 speed, with a 5th gear 1:1, and it only geared for I beleive 155-160, so the gearing is spot-on for that car. The STi, on the other hand, has 2 OD gears, adn is fairly well known to be a pig over 100 in stock form. Do a lil research,. what I'm, saying is actually true. I used to work at a subaru dealership, I've seen pretty much everythign under the sun done to the STi.

I will check into the Subie OD gears, thanks for the heads up...I know Acura Tls and CLs also have 2 OD gears and they hit a wall over 100mph.....

Thanks

TheSnail

10-26-2006, 03:28 PM

If money is involved, my friend has a bone stock car that will race that m3. Im sure he would even give the m3 atleast a 5second head start. Its even NA. Shit I'll ask him, he might do it for fun.

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 03:32 PM

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DinanM3atl

10-26-2006, 03:34 PM

Like I said Jaime, we can talk about this in person need be.

I know more about BMW than they do...I bet they didn't know their got damn roundel has nothing to do with cars, its a PROPELLER image, i.e from AIRPLANES.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1950-1959/1957-BMW-Isetta-300-red-fa-lr.jpg

Bet he didn't know the Isetta, i.e the URKEL car is a BMW.....

Learn to read

Alright guys, the way I see it and I think we can all agree this was/is the dumbest post I have ever been involved in. The best thing I think is agree to disagree. Obviously neither one of us is going to back down so the arguement is pointless. Let's just leave it at that.

I need to respond however to a couple issues that have nothing to do with the issue at hand.

To the person with the gixxer and "friend" who has 370hp bike, I got a buddy with a 600rr completely stock, I bet he can walk both bikes up in the mountains :) This comment is just for fun :) Your friend and my friend would prolly have lots of knee dragging fun!!!

To the person trying to talk down BMW/Saab/MB etc for being "forced" to stop making airplanes. Guess what, it takes WAYYYYYY more engineering prowess to build a sucessful airplane than a car. Get over it. BMW made airplanes and were VERY good at it, they even have a propeller in the sky for their brand logo, I cannot even BELIEVE you brought that up to try and help your side of the arguement.

Yah I had a pink sticker for flatlinecustoms.net And your point being? It is a "hazing" type thing to get into the club, drive around with it for a month. What is the big deal, why don't you go over to NASIOC.com and post on the forum that all their STIs are ghey because STI color is pink... good arguement prick, let me get all flatline together, you meet us at taco mac and come tell all of us that. Thumps up for you, I could careless the value or perceived value of your E46 M3, I walked those at Road Atlanta too, Even passed an Elise... What is your point? Keep your Jap car.

To the "BMW Owner" STFU and GTFO, you obviously know NOTHING of BMW, touting off lies and crap about how the E30 M3 is the only ///M car. HAHAHHAHAAHAH you are retarded. HAHAAHHAAH i am still laughing at your comment from last night, I hate to tell you but the E46 M3(even in US spec) is a superior vehicle to the E30 M3, and the E46 M3 is even beyond that, Are none of the M5s "real" ///M cars? You my friend are stupid.

So agree to disagree, might make this post not so extremely gay :) Love you guys! Peace

I like German, you like Japanese, For some reason Some of us like American too ;) They are all cars, so we do love them all or we wouldn't be members of this board!

Any time dude, want to have a debate about knowledge competition bring it on,

Reading is not your friend!

I had to come back for that one. Out for real this time!

*Unsubscribe*

PM to set up BMW debate.

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10-26-2006, 03:34 PM

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Nemesis

10-26-2006, 03:35 PM

SCRAPPY>>>> ALL OTHERS :D enough said...

Damn I wasnt going to come back in here until I smelled the strong stench of BULLSHIT

LMAO!!!!!!!!!

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 03:36 PM

Learn to read

Any time dude, want to have a debate about knowledge competition bring it on,

Reading is not your friend!

I had to come back for that one.
Looks like either
1. wikipedia is your homepage
2. you know your stuff somewhat and we can debate over beer at hooters!

Ran

10-26-2006, 03:39 PM

Looks like either
1. wikipedia is your homepage
2. you know your stuff somewhat and we can debate over beer at hooters! :lmfao: OMFG +1

Scrappy

10-26-2006, 03:39 PM

Damn I wasnt going to come back in here until I smelled the strong stench of BULLSHIT

LMAO!!!!!!!!!

I just wanted to make this a sticky in my cp area to keep reading and not search for it...

so i figured i would post that my car owns all since it seems some... *cough cough* come thinking their cars own all when in the real world they dont... i thoughti fit in quite nicely in this debate.... retards for the win!

DinanM3atl

10-26-2006, 03:42 PM

Looks like either
1. wikipedia is your homepage
2. you know your stuff somewhat and we can debate over beer at hooters!

HaHa

I know my BMW shit very in depth down to stupid random things that you probably have NO idea the answers,

I don't drink. But sure, You bring 1 friend and Kenny and I will meet up :)
Just PM me.

It would be fun, Let us leave this thread alone and let it die! Seriously

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10-26-2006, 03:43 PM

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10-26-2006, 03:47 PM

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HalfBaked

10-26-2006, 03:47 PM

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10-26-2006, 03:48 PM

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N/A EK

10-26-2006, 03:49 PM

Whats this thread about???

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Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 04:14 PM

This thread turned out to be just like the 7psigirl thread.

In the beginning: "I'm the king of the world, nobody can beat me, I'm the shit!"

IA intervenes: "You're shit alright"; puts up links, results, blood tests, pics, damn NASA sends in satellite imagery....."You still think you're the shit?".

In the end: "Hahaha, yous guys are fony, hahaha, I'm gonna go now because yall are just too mean and JEALOUS and you showed everybody I do wear granny panties instead of a thong.....dang, why yall gotta be so mean??? I'm gonna take my toys and go home, so there. Na Na Na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo :tongue1: "

:rolleyes:

There's your cliff notes if anyone wants them. ;)

kendogg

10-26-2006, 04:15 PM

Looks like either
1. wikipedia is your homepage
2. you know your stuff somewhat and we can debate over beer at hooters!

I don't like hooters, that palce has always made me sick, can we pick another place please?

kendogg

10-26-2006, 04:20 PM

528 posts, and idk how many pages - anybody know what the record is here on IA??

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:21 PM

thinkfast®

10-26-2006, 04:22 PM

528 posts, and idk how many pages - anybody know what the record is here on IA??

pffffft... this aint even in the top 20 homey

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:22 PM

I don't like hooters, that palce has always made me sick,

so hooters it is!

then you can go complain to paul afterwards!!!

HalfBaked

10-26-2006, 04:24 PM

so hooters it is!

then you can go complain to paul afterwards!!!
LIRL!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHH

kendogg

10-26-2006, 04:24 PM

pffffft... this aint even in the top 20 homey

OH snap

Tracy

10-26-2006, 04:24 PM

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 04:25 PM

so hooters it is!

then you can go complain to paul afterwards!!!

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:25 PM

Jaime for forum police president! everyone in favor, say "I!"

Me

kendogg

10-26-2006, 04:27 PM

so hooters it is!

then you can go complain to paul afterwards!!!

Hey, man, I only complained to paul because I beleive what you did was wrong. Irriguardless of ANYTHIGN in this thread, that was wrong.

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:27 PM

PPPPAAAAUUUUULLLLLLLLLL!

he made fun of my bestest friend in the whole wide world.....(who also has the whitest name on earth)

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:lmao:

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 04:27 PM

Jaime for forum police president! everyone in favor, say "I!"

There'd be a couple of mofos around here that would hate life if Paul or Julio gave ME a ban stick...... :D :lmfao: ;)

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:29 PM

There'd be a couple of mofos around here that would hate life if Paul or Julio gave ME a ban stick...... :D :lmfao: ;)

how's life treating ya dude?

i haven't talked to you in awhile (since NOPI) i believe....you need to come out more often:yes:

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10-26-2006, 04:31 PM

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10-26-2006, 04:32 PM

WWW.THESKINNYONE.COM (http://www.THESKINNYONE.COM)

^SOME MOTHERBITCH STOLE MY (OLD) NAME! :rant:

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 04:32 PM

Hey, man, I only complained to paul because I beleive what you did was wrong. Irriguardless of ANYTHIGN in this thread, that was wrong.

Even though you seem to be more level headed than your compadre.....that's atleast 2 times you've used that made up word. Please don't do that again, or I'm going to have to sick Ruiner, our resident Grammar/Spelling expert, on you.

Thank you, come again. :D

kendogg

10-26-2006, 04:33 PM

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=605305&highlight=318

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=615686&highlight=318

And the best -
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=620898&highlight=318

I'm not too sure about anywhere else in the world, but in the kills stories section at least - teh 318is is THE FASTEST CAR IN THE WORLD !!!:goodjob:

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 04:34 PM

how's life treating ya dude?

i haven't talked to you in awhile (since NOPI) i believe....you need to come out more often:yes:

I do indeed.

Been busy with all kinds of stuff that don't let me come out and play like I used to. :(

Vteckidd

10-26-2006, 04:34 PM

Jaime is the man, nice guy

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:35 PM

I do indeed.

Been busy with all kinds of stuff that don't let me come out and play like I used to. :(

ahh...i'm sorry:no:

kendogg

10-26-2006, 04:36 PM

Even though you seem to be more level headed than your compadre.....that's atleast 2 times you've used that made up word. Please don't do that again, or I'm going to have to sick Ruiner, our resident Grammar/Spelling expert, on you.

Thank you, come again. :D

Sorry. Besides being teh suck at typing on occasion, I'm not the greatest speller in the world. I get the grammer police after me on alot of forums, especially while I'm PWI :D

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:38 PM

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Tracy

10-26-2006, 04:42 PM

Irriguardless is not a word! I'm not trying to shine. I just hate when people use that word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:44 PM

Irriguardless is not a word! I'm not trying to shine. I just hate when people use that word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
indeed.

irregardless<--------:goodjob:

HI TRACY!

Julio

10-26-2006, 04:44 PM

hahahahahhaha

bring your TT out then to road atlanta too?

E36 M3 = 19K(on the high end)
My Mods = 5K MAX

G35 = 33k(if not options)
TT kit = 10K(I am guessing)

So then I have what? 20K to work with? I can get about ohhhhh 700-800 WHP with that at ICS tuning or AA tuning... So then who wins?

My beater ass old m3 piece of shit... Hell guess what, I could buy a 10K 95 M3 and put even more power down... BETTER YET 95 325 for 5-6K and put just as much power down....

I thought we were comparing apples to apples...

TT g35 vs NA basically stock motor 99 M3

Good one!

Bring out the audi to the track, will be fun to own the Quattro too

Dude, C'mon. Why would I want to go to Road Atlanta? Thats not my thing. You think you are the shit because you run laps around RD atlanta? Whoptie doo.. who cares, You still drive a watered down BMW.
10 K ? For a kit? wtf ? I havent even spent 1k on my car.. My car is literally almost stock. And I dont even have a kit,+ im not into all that car shit as I was before.. + this is not about me or my cars.. This is about you and how you are/were trying to compare shit to vaseline. ;)

RedGTS

10-26-2006, 04:44 PM

How?

Here in the states, If i am driving down 85 and pass you at a high rate of speed. The first thing that crosses peoples minds is...

"fucking asshole BMW owner, thinks he owns the fucking road"

Why would I ever give a second thought to a 1989 M3 passing me on 85, ?? or would anyone?

kendogg

10-26-2006, 04:45 PM

Awww, yousefs pussy hurts today. Why'd you red rep me bro? Truth hurt or something? I thought we were pals???

kendogg

10-26-2006, 04:46 PM

Why would I ever give a second thought to a 1989 M3 passing me on 85, ?? or would anyone?

His cars a 99, not an 89. Sorry, just thought I'd point that out.

HalfBaked

10-26-2006, 04:46 PM

Why would I ever give a second thought to a 1989 M3 passing me on 85, ?? or would anyone?
An 89 m3 is hot.

If it was like a 85 325i, I'd just laugh.

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 04:48 PM

Not sure if there are 1989 M3s but if it was it would be an I-4 E30 good for somewhere over 200hp.....

Tracy

10-26-2006, 04:48 PM

indeed.

irregardless<--------:goodjob:

HI TRACY!

That's not really a word wither. I guess it's as much of a word as ain't! It's regarless. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless

Usage note Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. Irregardless first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s.

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 04:50 PM

Jaime is that dude!!!

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:51 PM

I thought we were pals???

no actually your pussy hurts today....lol

but we were never pals....i worked with you....it's called professional courtesy....

now you can go start twitching and spilling random liquids at your new job!!!:goodjob: :yes: :bump:

RedGTS

10-26-2006, 04:51 PM

An 89 m3 is hot.

If it was like a 85 325i, I'd just laugh.

WHAT ABOUT A 1991 325 DROP TOP, WITH CHROME TRI-STARS

GIXXERDK

10-26-2006, 04:51 PM

WWW.MYSPACE.COM/TICKLEMEDAMMIT (http://WWW.MYSPACE.COM/TICKLEMEDAMMIT)

+111111

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 04:55 PM

Anyway, Nissan just released pricing for the new Japanese Skyline aka our G35.....It will start right at $32,000, which is a lot of car for the money. The interior is 10 times better for one, you get the new VQ with 306hp and I am sure stock, its a great drive.

The Skyline coupe aka our G35 coupe will come next year.

For those that can't afford a G35 coupe but want a new car that looks like one, the Nissan Altima coupe will debut next year and it looks very similar to the G35 coupe which is a good thing, though it will be FWD.

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 04:55 PM

Sorry. Besides being teh suck at typing on occasion, I'm not the greatest speller in the world. I get the grammer police after me on alot of forums, especially while I'm PWI :D

It's grammar....... :D

I couldn't resist...... :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :D

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 04:57 PM

For those that can't afford a G35 coupe but want a new car that looks like one, the Nissan Altima coupe will debut next year and it looks very similar to the G35 coupe which is a good thing, though it will be FWD.

what is the price point going to be on the Altima coupe?

i

Tracy

10-26-2006, 04:57 PM

It's grammar....... :D

I couldn't resist...... :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :D

Stop it!

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 04:57 PM

Jaime is that dude!!!

;)

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 04:58 PM

Stop it!

:tongue1:

:D :D :D :D

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 04:58 PM

It's grammar....... :D

I couldn't resist...... :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :D
Got damn, the grammer police bitching about grammar....

Someone needs to download Firefox 2 with the built in spell checker....

http://blog.kir.com/archives/spell%20check.gif

Tracy

10-26-2006, 04:58 PM

:tongue1:

:D :D :D :D :lmfao: :lmfao:

ShooterMcGavin

10-26-2006, 04:58 PM

Even though you seem to be more level headed than your compadre.....that's atleast 2 times you've used that made up word. Please don't do that again, or I'm going to have to sick Ruiner, our resident Grammar/Spelling expert, on you.

Thank you, come again. :D

:lmao: i thought about pointing that out, BOTH times, but remembered it was my day off from being the spelling police :D

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 05:00 PM

what is the price point going to be on the Altima coupe?

i
A lil more than the sedan but not much. Start right around 21k, over 30k loaded.
Pics
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/10/23/spotted-2008-nissan-altima-coupe/

ShooterMcGavin

10-26-2006, 05:02 PM

no actually your pussy hurts today....lol

but we were never pals....i worked with you....it's called professional courtesy....

now you can go start twitching and spilling random liquids at your new job!!!:goodjob: :yes: :bump:

:eek: oh wow, coming from yousefus this was definitely NOT expected.

The Yousef

10-26-2006, 05:03 PM

A lil more than the sedan but not much. Start right around 21k, over 30k loaded.
Pics
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/10/23/spotted-2008-nissan-altima-coupe/

ahhh...thank you good sir!

WHAT ABOUT A 1991 325 DROP TOP, WITH CHROME TRI-STARS

remember dude...it's a BMW therefore it is still better then a g35...because it's german and they like sausages and world wars :goodjob:

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 05:04 PM

I wonder will I get my second plus rep bar b/c of this thread......(crosses fingers)...

DinanM3atl

10-26-2006, 05:15 PM

Not sure if there are 1989 M3s but if it was it would be an I-4 E30 good for somewhere over 200hp.....

87-91 for US Spec E30 M3s. The 91s were over runs of the 90 models.

We did not even have the ultimate E30 M3 available in the States.

E30 M3 Evo II or III, 2.5L 4 cylinder producing 238bhp!?!?!!??! that is only 2hp less than my 99 M3...

"BMW easily sold all 5,000 production M3’s required to enter DTM. They even sold a few special editions like the M3 Evo II & III that took the formula even further. Engine displacement increased from 2.3 liters to 2.5 liters pushing 238hp. They also added enlarged wheels, spoilers, and fender flares to improve grip, stability, and drag. On the racetrack, the M3 won many races and held the honor for the employees at BMW Motorsports Division. Don’t forget these are some of the same individuals who helped develop the M1, M5, and the V10 F1 engine, which has shown that they can beat their competitors like Mercedes, Ferrari, and Ford (Jaguar) on a regular basis. What does this all mean to its road going competitors of the day like the Lancia Delta, Cosworth Ford, and the previously mentioned 190E2.316V? It meant from a driving standpoint this car was superior."

DinanM3atl

10-26-2006, 05:16 PM

Those Altima 3.5's are fast!

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10-26-2006, 05:48 PM

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1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 05:59 PM

Those Altima 3.5's are fast!
LOLthe funny shit is a v-6 altima has as much and more hp in se-r form than a e36 m3.......
now u can add accord, camry, hell a rav-4.....lol

the day of 300hp to the crank being average is coming...

DinanM3atl

10-26-2006, 06:05 PM

LOLthe funny shit is a v-6 altima has as much and more hp in se-r form than a e36 m3.......
now u can add accord, camry, hell a rav-4.....lol

the day of 300hp to the crank being average is coming...

I can't drive FWD :(

Also, it is the HP war, same as the 60s. They will all fall off here soon, do not know exactly when but it will happen.

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 06:09 PM

oh I agree I cant do FWD either....my first Lex was fwd and after going RWD I can never go back. hell i did the awd lexus thing too
I LOVE RWD.....there is nothing like it!

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 06:16 PM

Since you guys want to turn this into a pissing contest, let me go ahead and shut your asses up once and for all:

Power is far more than ample both on the road and on the racetrack, where the G35 Sport felt more at home than did either the BMW 330i or the Lexus IS350.

The power feeds through a six-speed manual gearbox that's the personification of precise engagement-it makes BMW's 3 Series manual transmission seem rubbery...

20 percent more horsepower than the 330i...Infiniti's redesigned 3.5 liter V6 feels more broadly muscular than before.

"Japanese pile of shit" ay? Catch the net, live in the now jackasses. :rolleyes:

I'll post pics of the press releases, if you want proof that I am posting the truth. :slap:

/thread

Tracy

10-26-2006, 06:18 PM

Since you guys want to turn this into a pissing contest, let me go ahead and shut your asses up once and for all:

"Japanese pile of shit" ay? Catch the net, live in the now jackasses. :rolleyes:

I'll post pics of the press releases, if you want proof that I am posting the truth. :slap:

/thread

can you shut my ass up?

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 06:24 PM

DinanM3atl

10-26-2006, 06:33 PM

Please post of some more biased car mags!!!

ROFL, shows how much you "love" cars when you read the CRAP that those articles put out.

Read CAR... Get unbiased opinions, its a British magazine.

Power is far more than ample both on the road and on the racetrack, where the G35 Sport felt more at home than did either the BMW 330i or the Lexus IS350.

-Hmmm so they compared the SPORT package to the non-sport package of the 330 and is350?!?!!!? wow and the sport package was better... That is a big suprise... (biased article)

The power feeds through a six-speed manual gearbox that's the personification of precise engagement-it makes BMW's 3 Series manual transmission seem rubbery...
-Calling a ZF or Getrag Rubbery is PLAIN STUPID, obviously the writer is a moron

20 percent more horsepower than the 330i...Infiniti's redesigned 3.5 liter V6 feels more broadly muscular than before.

-Thats funny, With 20 percent less power it is somehow is faster, maybe that tranny and diff gearing is better than the previous moron thought

2004 BMW 330i 5.6 13.4
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 5.5 14.2
2007 G35 * 306 hp
* 7500-rpm redline
* Rear-wheel drive
* Zero to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds

"Our tester tore up the track with a scorching 0-60-mph run of 5.6 seconds and a quarter-mile performance of 13.9 seconds at 102 mph."

DinanM3atl

10-26-2006, 06:34 PM

uhhhhh u do know the 330 is no longer made. Replaced by the 300hp 300 lbs of torque twin turbo 335.....The reviews have been nuts
0-60 in under 5 seconds
mid 13s in the 1/4 mile

The new Skyline/G35 is awesome, make no mistake about it!
Also look at ALL reviews, not just
one source to be fair. Motor Trend tested the 330 vs new G35 and the 330 won.

The new "skyline" the real one will be sick no doubt.

And I cannot wait for the 335i sedan! That 300bhp is WAYYY underrated. They have been dyno'd at 288 to the wheels STOCK.

I want the sedan, may consider a trade in!!!

Fast Shadow

10-26-2006, 06:36 PM

The 335 is the only BMW under $50,000 worth owning.

Vteckidd

10-26-2006, 06:37 PM

LOL so now its SHITTY car reviews.

EXCUSES EXCUSES

DinanM3atl

10-26-2006, 06:41 PM

LOL so now its SHITTY car reviews.

EXCUSES EXCUSES

You really do have TROUBLE WITH READING...

READING IS NOT YOUR FRIEND... Let me HIGHLIGHT the information for you to make it more simple.

Power is far more than ample both on the road and on the racetrack, where the G35 Sport felt more at home than did either the BMW 330i or the Lexus IS350.

-Hmmm so they compared the SPORT package to the non-sport package of the 330 and is350?!?!!!? wow and the sport package was better... That is a big suprise... (biased article)

The power feeds through a six-speed manual gearbox that's the personification of precise engagement-it makes BMW's 3 Series manual transmission seem rubbery...
-Calling a ZF or Getrag Rubbery is PLAIN STUPID, obviously the writer is a moron

20 percent more horsepower than the 330i...Infiniti's redesigned 3.5 liter V6 feels more broadly muscular than before.

-Thats funny, With 20 percent less power it is somehow is faster, maybe that tranny and diff gearing is better than the previous moron thought (see ABOVE COMMENT FROM DUMBASS CAR MAGAZINE WRITER)

2004 BMW 330i 5.6 13.4
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 5.5 14.2
2007 G35 * 306 hp
* 7500-rpm redline
* Rear-wheel drive
* Zero to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds

"Our tester tore up the track with a scorching 0-60-mph run of 5.6 seconds and a quarter-mile performance of 13.9 seconds at 102 mph."

Fast Shadow

10-26-2006, 06:57 PM

The power feeds through a six-speed manual gearbox that's the personification of precise engagement-it makes BMW's 3 Series manual transmission seem rubbery...

LOL, someone has never driven an S2000. The getrag 6 speed is more rubbery than a box of trojans compared to the trans in the S2k.

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 07:02 PM

G35 is the Nissan Skyline in Japan.
GT-R is coming a seperate car. No more skyline gtr.
btw Lexus exists in Europe but not Infiniti so CAR or EVO or TopGear wont be able to test the G35 unless they import it....

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 07:05 PM

Honda makes some of the best shifters in the game
!

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 07:11 PM

Please post of some more biased car mags!!!

I stopped reading here, because I knew that was exactly what you were going to say. Just remember, YOU started this pissing contest. :rolleyes:

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 07:13 PM

uhhhhh u do know the 330 is no longer made. Replaced by the 300hp 300 lbs of torque twin turbo 335.....The reviews have been nuts
0-60 in under 5 seconds
mid 13s in the 1/4 mile

The new Skyline/G35 is awesome, make no mistake about it!
Also look at ALL reviews, not just
one source to be fair. Motor Trend tested the 330 vs new G35 and the 330 won.

The 335 has 300hp and two turbos.....and the new G35 has 306hp.....normally aspirated. Hmm.....

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 07:14 PM

LOL, someone has never driven an S2000. The getrag 6 speed is more rubbery than a box of trojans compared to the trans in the S2k.

Having fun comparing the OLD bodystyle G35, which isn't even part of this arguement?

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 07:17 PM

Oh, and since I see that there are 70 guests viewing this thread (probably from Bimmerforums) should I post a link on FreshAlloy to make something so stupid even FURTHER out of hand? :rolleyes:

I tell ya, do love BMWs, but I damn sure can't stand their owners.

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 07:18 PM

I can see all the BMW owners on google now.....hurry up damnit! I got shit to do! :lmfao:

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 07:18 PM

can you shut my ass up?

Do I need to? I love you Tracy! :kiss:

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 07:21 PM

..................................

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 07:23 PM

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eViLMunkey

10-26-2006, 07:25 PM

that's a big improvement..

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 07:26 PM

ironchef

10-26-2006, 07:29 PM

I bet my zonda can kick your m3s ass.

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 07:30 PM

I bet my zonda can kick your m3s ass.
My Zonda F can kick your regular Zonda's behind!!! lol

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 07:31 PM

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The thread is slowly dying....

Either that or they are all jumping on google trying to disprove everything I have said. It's sad because I was forced to post that shit. THEY were the ones that started this pissing contest, not me. Like I already said, I love BMWs, but I can't stand their owners.

The sad part is that this debate will go on forever, no one will win, and it would have been the same thing if I posted pics of a new Lexus, Audi, etc. How dumb.

eViLMunkey

10-26-2006, 07:32 PM

Naw just fooking w/ people on myspace...

Pavlo

10-26-2006, 07:35 PM

I tell ya, do love BMWs, but I damn sure can't stand their owners.
I have to agree with you here, BMW owners are actually nice until you say that XXX car is better then theirs.
The reason I don't like BMWs (6 cyl at least), is because of the fact that the head cracks when it is overheated. A few month ago at work we replaced an engine in a 2002 325 which had a cooling problem and was overheated 3 times, 3rd one cracked the head. And who would design a race engine with 3 timing chains? Stupid imo.
So I would go with nissan on this one.

I still do like BMWs though, they are fun to drive.

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 07:37 PM

Well BMW quality is not fantastic but its not terrible either. As for race engines, well, Gordan Murray did ask BMW to produce the V-12 for their McLaren, he asked for 550hp and got 627..
Mclaren>any freaking car so got to give huge props to BMW here.....

Nissan quality ain't great either, they are usually below the industry average. Infiniti though is always in the top 8 or so.....

eViLMunkey

10-26-2006, 07:40 PM

Bimmer's Blow Goats.... Damn Biodegradable parts... and shtuff

shortysm22

10-26-2006, 07:41 PM

funny thread

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10-26-2006, 07:49 PM

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1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 07:50 PM

Oh and shameless plug....

The IS-F i.e M/AMG fighter Lexus is confirmed and debuts next fall. 415hp 5.0 V-8.....
oh yeah!!!

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 07:54 PM

Oh and shameless plug....

The IS-F i.e M/AMG fighter Lexus is confirmed and debuts next fall. 415hp 5.0 V-8.....
oh yeah!!!

I cannot WAIT to see that thing in person. It is going to be the hotness. :D

ironchef

10-26-2006, 07:55 PM

My Zonda F can kick your regular Zonda's behind!!! lolDont make me bring out my tuned veyron pushing 50psi per turbo, you stand no chance. 0-60 is -3 seconds, yes you read that right, i bend the space time continuum with it :).

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 07:59 PM

Dont make me bring out my tuned veyron pushing 50psi per turbo, you stand no chance. 0-60 is -3 seconds, yes you read that right, i bend the space time continuum with it :).

Damnit, I wanted one but they were all sold out!

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 08:05 PM

Damnit, I wanted one but they were all sold out!

Back off, I'm first on the waiting list for the next shipment!

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 08:07 PM

Back off, I'm first on the waiting list for the next shipment!
yo, u about to his 20k posts!

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 08:09 PM

yo, u about to his 20k posts!

Holy shit I almost am hahahaha

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 08:19 PM

You really do have TROUBLE WITH READING...

READING IS NOT YOUR FRIEND... Let me HIGHLIGHT the information for you to make it more simple.

Power is far more than ample both on the road and on the racetrack, where the G35 Sport felt more at home than did either the BMW 330i or the Lexus IS350.

-Hmmm so they compared the SPORT package to the non-sport package of the 330 and is350?!?!!!? wow and the sport package was better... That is a big suprise... (biased article)

The power feeds through a six-speed manual gearbox that's the personification of precise engagement-it makes BMW's 3 Series manual transmission seem rubbery...
-Calling a ZF or Getrag Rubbery is PLAIN STUPID, obviously the writer is a moron

20 percent more horsepower than the 330i...Infiniti's redesigned 3.5 liter V6 feels more broadly muscular than before.

-Thats funny, With 20 percent less power it is somehow is faster, maybe that tranny and diff gearing is better than the previous moron thought (see ABOVE COMMENT FROM DUMBASS CAR MAGAZINE WRITER)

2004 BMW 330i 5.6 13.4
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe 5.5 14.2
2007 G35 * 306 hp
* 7500-rpm redline
* Rear-wheel drive
* Zero to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds

"Our tester tore up the track with a scorching 0-60-mph run of 5.6 seconds and a quarter-mile performance of 13.9 seconds at 102 mph."

At it again, are ya?

OK, let's get this straight, yet again:

YOU whine about people posting facts that were put out by PROFESSIONAL people, which BTW YOU have quoted several times in your little "what's every car compared to in every magazine article...." :jerkit: , and then when it's not going your way you revert back to calling those same articles BIASED?????

Got it.

What is it that YOU do for a living? What magazine do YOU work for?

Got it.

You want to talk about bias? How is comparing an M3, BMW's flagship middle weight, to Nissan's G35 a fair comparo? How is it fair to compare a $50k car to a $35k car? How come all of a sudden only BMW owners are the ONLY source to believe in BMW's ultimate driving machine mentality?

I have a very good friend that owns an M3. Much newer than yours. Ask her what she thinks of it right now, after the car has spent more time in the shop for not only mechanical problems but also basic FITMENT problems. Ask her. Her father is very wealthy and could have just about any car he wanted I'm sure. You know what he drives? A LEXUS, although his is the "luxury" version :rolleyes: . You know what her mother drives? A Lexus too, again the "luxury" edition since they don't believe in the non-luxury division of the company :rolleyes: . You know what this young lady's OTHER car is.......I'll give you 1 guess......A LEXUS......Hmmmm, go ask her if she thinks her Lexus is sub par to her BMW.

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 08:24 PM

At it again, are ya?

OK, let's get this straight, yet again:

YOU whine about people posting facts that were put out by PROFESSIONAL people, which BTW YOU have quoted several times in your little "what's every car compared to in every magazine article...." :jerkit: , and then when it's not going your way you revert back to calling those same articles BIASED?????

Got it.

What is it that YOU do for a living? What magazine do YOU work for?

Got it.

You want to talk about bias? How is comparing an M3, BMW's flagship middle weight, to Nissan's G35 a fair comparo? How is it fair to compare a $50k car to a $35k car? How come all of a sudden only BMW owners are the ONLY source to believe in BMW's ultimate driving machine mentality?

I have a very good friend that owns an M3. Much newer than yours. Ask her what she thinks of it right now, after the car has spent more time in the shop for not only mechanical problems but also basic FITMENT problems. Ask her. Her father is very wealthy and could have just about any car he wanted I'm sure. You know what he drives? A LEXUS, although his is the "luxury" version :rolleyes: . You know what her mother drives? A Lexus too, again the "luxury" edition since they don't believe in the non-luxury division of the company :rolleyes: . You know what this young lady's OTHER car is.......I'll give you 1 guess......A LEXUS......Hmmmm, go ask her if she thinks her Lexus is sub par to her BMW.

Hah! Game point. :goodjob:

But again, Jamie, what do we know? We have "Japanese crap cars" that aren't "luxury." :rolleyes:

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 08:57 PM

Hah! Game point. :goodjob:

But again, Jamie, what do we know? We have "Japanese crap cars" that aren't "luxury." :rolleyes:

This guy is the same guy that only posts on IA to argue that BMW is the "ultimate driving machine"... :rolleyes:

Notice how when HE compares anything, it's never 05 for 05 or new vs new or stock for stock. It's always about tilting it to his favor to prove his point.

Forget that multi billion dollar publications that test cars for a freaking living don't agree with his vast experience of owning 1 BMW... :rolleyes:

As a matter of fact, you want UNbiased....how's Consumer Reports for squeaky clean unbiased. They don't even allow advertising from ANYONE to avoid any possible whining about biased.

You know what THEY have to say about BMW's????? Let's take a look, shall we?:

On the subject of "best and worst" used cars....Let's see how many BMW's make the "BEST" list, shall we?:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/used-cars/used-cars-best-and-worst-406/index.htm

HMMMM, only 1 BMW made the "best" list.....HMMMMMM, but notice how many Lexus, Infiniti, Toyota, Honda, Hell there were more FORDS than BMW's.... :lmfao: HMMMMMMMM>>>>>>how's that happen????

How about the "bad" list???? HMMMMM, interesting.....where are the Lexus at? The Infinitis? The Hondas? The Toyotas? As a matter of fact, what is the most popular car on that list? German cars and American cars.....HMMMMM, how's that work again???? I guess they don't think as much about your venerable "german engineering" prowess.... :rolleyes: AS a matter of fact, there 2 BMW's in the "worst" list vs only 1 in the "best", yet not a SINGLE JAPANESE CAR MADE THAT LIST.......Wow, what a bunch of pieces of crap, huh???? :rolleyes:

What do they say about reliability as the cars age? Let's see....:

Hmmmm, looks like your almighty BMW "lags behind" the Japanese yet again.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/reliability/used-car-reliability-406/manufacturers-as-they-age/index.htm

Let's see what your own fellow BMW fanatics say, shall we? How about surveys from CURRENT owners of just about every car under the sun on how they would RE-BUY or Lease their CURRENT car.......I wonder how many BMW owners agree with you?????:

Damn, not many since NO BMW made the list of the most satisfied:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/reliability/would-you-buy-that-car-again-406/overview/index.htm

Hmmmm, notice how many JAPANESE models there are on that list.....the report says, and I quote, "In all, subscribers rated their experiences with more than 350,000 vehicles and 237 separate models in the survey, conducted by the Consumer Reports National Research Center. Forty-four models made our top cut, up from 32 last year. That is, at least 80 percent of owners said they would definitely buy or lease the vehicle again. Japanese models led with 31, followed by European models, with nine. Four models were domestic, up from just one last year. All domestic models had V8 engines."

Wow, 31 vs 9......again, Japanese cars sure are disposable POS's, and everybody agrees with YOU on that.... :rolleyes:

I'd like to see how your going to try and weasel out of this one. Bias is something Consumer Reports is well known NOT to be at all. If I were a subscriber, I'd be willing to bet that the individual results sheet for YOUR car would have several BLACK dots in several different sections. Wanna bet?

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 09:08 PM

Jaime is the man! :goodjob:

There is no amount of google info that can refute that post.

Game, Japanese.

Vteckidd

10-26-2006, 09:22 PM

MOTHERFUCKING PWNED in EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD

Man , did i cant believe i used to argue with Jaime , how did i survive EL OH EL . this man is on a MISSION, someone get him a BEER@!

kendogg

10-26-2006, 09:25 PM

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 09:30 PM

Id love to come to halstons rescue, but it's hard. If you people don't realize that american car mags AND shows are biased, I simply can't argue this ill-fated war anymore.

Halston - Down to the end bro, but god damn, there are still a few here who refuse to listen to even reason. I've tried, I'm done.

BAHAHAHAHHHA!! You think Consumer Reports is biased?! Why? Because they don't paint BMWs as the gods of the automotive world?

What's that you say? It is the UK that is unbiased? The UK, in Europe, UNbiased to a European car? You must be smokin some of that good good.

The bottom line is that YOU GUYS started a pissing contest that YOU GUYS lost. So basically, in your eyes, you lost a debate to a bunch of "ricers" on a "ricer board." How does that make you feel? :slap:

Tracy

10-26-2006, 09:31 PM

BAHAHAHAHHHA!! You think Consumer Reports is biased?! Why? Because they don't paint BMWs as the gods of the automotive world?

What's that you say? It is the UK that is unbiased? The UK, in Europe, UNbiased to a European car? You must be smokin some of that good good.

The bottom line is that YOU GUYS started a pissing contest that YOU GUYS lost. So basically, in your eyes, you lost a debate to a bunch of "ricers" on a "ricer board." How does that make you feel? :slap:

I happen to like rice. I don't see what the big deal is anyways. Uncle Bens is my fav...and they have this new 5 minute shit! YUM YUM!

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 09:34 PM

I happen to like rice. I don't see what the big deal is anyways. Uncle Bens is my fav...and they have this new 5 minute shit! YUM YUM!

Well you are a ricer so it fits. :tongue1:

Tracy

10-26-2006, 09:38 PM

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 09:43 PM

Julio

10-26-2006, 09:50 PM

bhwhahah.. Jaime just hiroshima this thread

http://forums.importatlanta.com/images/smilies/piss2.gif BMW " the ultimate pissing machine "

1SICKLEX

10-26-2006, 09:52 PM

Id love to come to halstons rescue, but it's hard. If you people don't realize that american car mags AND shows are biased, I simply can't argue this ill-fated war anymore.

Halston - Down to the end bro, but god damn, there are still a few here who refuse to listen to even reason. I've tried, I'm done.
WTF...if anything, the got damn mags are biased TOWARDS BMW.....
Case in point the 330 vs IS 350 and 4 others...
The 3 won by one point over the IS 350 in Car and Driver.
Some people added up the scores and C and D added them wrong, it was a damn tie.

The funny thing is in Europe, BMW gets its ass handed to it by Porsche in ever mag (CAR, EVO, etc) so I guess its all relative.

Fucking E39 M5 is my shiznit!

Jaimecbr900

10-26-2006, 10:02 PM

Alrighty bishes.....I'm done with this cute discussion for the night.

Don't forget to tip your waitresses if you liked the service, and if you didn't like the service don't freaking come back.......word? WORD! :D

BTLFED

10-26-2006, 10:07 PM

Fast Shadow

10-26-2006, 10:32 PM

Fast Shadow

10-26-2006, 10:33 PM

We sold our M3 and bought a Supra and made it into an 8 sec race car with the money :D on stock pistons and rings....O and might I add, that we did that because we raced a Supra in our M3 and got our asses waxed by it. That was the end of that. We paid $60k for the car and waited 6 months on a waiting list for it.

And now you want a Corvette. :( :no:

Fucking E39 M5 is my shiznit!

Recirc ball steering for the lose. If you like the E39 M5 you should try the Caddy CTS-V with the LS2. It's amazing..

man

10-26-2006, 10:42 PM

What's with the bimmer guys trying to justify why they paid so much for their cars... It's getting kind of sad.

d993s

10-26-2006, 10:56 PM

What's with the bimmer guys trying to justify why they paid so much for their cars... It's getting kind of sad.

In case you didn't know;
A. Not everyone makes the same amount of $.
B. Many people are not satisfied with basic transportation from point A to point B.
C. Although ignorance is not always bliss, it sure can be when arguing that someone has to justify spending "too much" for their car, especially when the person arguing cannot afford that particular car, or is intentionally misinformed about that car by others who cannot afford it.

man

10-26-2006, 11:12 PM

In case you didn't know;
A. Not everyone makes the same amount of $.
B. Many people are not satisfied with basic transportation from point A to point B.
C. Although ignorance is not always bliss, it sure can be when arguing that someone has to justify spending "too much" for their car, especially when the person arguing cannot afford that particular car, or is intentionally misinformed about that car by others who cannot afford it.

LOL, right... I'm sure you know more about cars than me. And I'm sure these BMW guys all make more than $25/hr at 20yrs old, can't afford a $14k car :lmfao: . Look in the mirror, tell yourself it's time to stop making assumptions and get your facts straight before you make yourself look like an ass. As I posted before I've driven many a BMW and I have yet to be impressed.

JoeCoolinATL

10-27-2006, 12:26 AM

Not sure if there are 1989 M3s but if it was it would be an I-4 E30 good for somewhere over 200hp.....

there are,
the e30 M3's are my favorite car to drive.
granted some guys buy them and drop bigger engines in them, thats their thing tho,
i like the balance of the sub 2500lb car that handles like a dream with the reallllllllllllllly high revving e30M engine :)

to each his own tho.

fight club

10-27-2006, 12:40 AM

Mike Lowrey

10-27-2006, 07:08 AM

HMMMM, only 1 BMW made the "best" list.....HMMMMMM, but notice how many Lexus, Infiniti, Toyota, Honda, Hell there were more FORDS than BMW's.... HMMMMMMMM>>>>>>how's that happen????

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Oh snap! Ford > BMW :lmfao:

WTF...if anything, the got damn mags are biased TOWARDS BMW.....
Case in point the 330 vs IS 350 and 4 others...
The 3 won by one point over the IS 350 in Car and Driver.
Some people added up the scores and C and D added them wrong, it was a damn tie.

x2

DieselNuts

10-27-2006, 09:47 AM

After reading this entire thread, it makes me happy that I didnt get an M3. I was looking to get a 99 M3 but shit didnt work out. I guess thats for the better because I would hate to be viewed as the stereo type that these guys have proven.

Dont get me wrong, I love the M3s I have driven. I think they are great cars. As far as the E36 M3 being a "watered down" version, you couldnt be more wrong. In this class of cars, the E36 M3 is the most track ready car off the showroom floor. Also, I know for a fact that Bimmers really show their prowess above 100mph. Why? Cause you can take them over those speeds on the Autobahn.

When I was looking to get a new car, I wanted a luxurious sport coupe. I was set on a 98.5 - 99 M3 for about a year. Once it came time to finance, I could only get a loan for 2.5 years, making my payments in the $800/mo. range. Too rich for my blood. After finding this out, I looked at the G35. I am happy with my decision. Even though I love the look of an E36 dropped on some 19's tucking the rear rim just a little, I dont think there is a sexier sport coupe on the road than the G35C. Now, I didnt get my car to pick up chicks, and I dont need my car to do so, but god damn does it work(notice the sig). Every where I go, Ive got girls wanting to know about it, talk about it and to ride in it.

As far as the G35 being a better track car than the E36M3, no, its isnt, but that isnt why I got my car. I also wanted a 6spd, but to get the euro tranny put in the U.S. spec car is a PITA. I've also hear that it is damn near impossible to find someone to work on it when it needs it.

And whoever it was that said that it would cost about $10k to turbo a G35, you are pretty much right. I have checked at multiple shops, and to get mid 400-500hp, thats what you will be looking to spend, beggining to end.

For the record, Consumer Reports is the most unbiased publication ever. Their articals are made from true tests by multiple professionals. The E36 M3 does have a few black dots in its column, mostly under electrial.

ShooterMcGavin

10-27-2006, 09:50 AM

^^^u must pick up chicks literally judging by ur sig :D :goodjob:

DieselNuts

10-27-2006, 09:50 AM

^^^u must pick up chicks literally judging by ur sig :D :goodjob:
The G spot def. doesnt hurt in that department!! :goodjob:

Jaimecbr900

10-27-2006, 10:04 AM

In case you didn't know;
A. Not everyone makes the same amount of $.
B. Many people are not satisfied with basic transportation from point A to point B.
C. Although ignorance is not always bliss, it sure can be when arguing that someone has to justify spending "too much" for their car, especially when the person arguing cannot afford that particular car, or is intentionally misinformed about that car by others who cannot afford it.

You obviously have not been following this thread. Right?

If you had, you'd see that not only CAN many of the people not buying into this BMW supremacy theory AFFORD them, some have HAD them. So that part of your theory is totally without merit at all.

BTW, go find examples of "misinformed" for us please.

Jaimecbr900

10-27-2006, 10:07 AM

For the record, Consumer Reports is the most unbiased publication ever. Their articals are made from true tests by multiple professionals. The E36 M3 does have a few black dots in its column, mostly under electrial.

Damn, I hate being right ALL THE TIME..... :D

But I thought according to Mr. Dinan that BMW had NO flaws......Hmmmm, I guess he knows more than Consumer Reports then, huh?

Again, I'm waiting to see what rebuttal the BMW nut swingers have to Consumer Reports and it's findings????? I guess the bias thing is out the window and now they have to google for another excuse.....?????? :rolleyes:

P.S. the girl in your sig is smoking hot. :goodjob:

1SICKLEX

10-27-2006, 10:20 AM

DieselNuts

10-27-2006, 11:46 AM

P.S. the girl in your sig is smoking hot. :goodjob:
Hell yeah. God knew exactly what he was doin when he created her!!

DinanM3atl

10-27-2006, 12:06 PM

Damn, I hate being right ALL THE TIME..... :D

But I thought according to Mr. Dinan that BMW had NO flaws......Hmmmm, I guess he knows more than Consumer Reports then, huh?

Again, I'm waiting to see what rebuttal the BMW nut swingers have to Consumer Reports and it's findings????? I guess the bias thing is out the window and now they have to google for another excuse.....?????? :rolleyes:

P.S. the girl in your sig is smoking hot. :goodjob:

I did not want to come back but for the FUCKING GOOGLE BULLSHIT COMMENT i had to.

And reading is not your friend either, I NEVER said they have zero problems... get over yourself

I do NOT need google or any other fucking search engine to debate with you about BMWs. So STFU with your google comments over and over and over again. It is getting very old and is fucking lame.

E36 does not have electrical problems. Whoever said that is a fucking moron, BMW has NEVER had wiring issues. Maybe technology that is beyond what a customer knows what to do(iDrive) but no ELECTRICAL problems. Sure sensors may go bad from time to time but that is not a wiring issue. I will list my E36 known flaws here. Just so everyone knows that I know it is not perfect.

-BMW E36 runs hot, it kills radiator necks, every 80K needs a radiator.

-E36 Window Regulators, It has auto-up and down, auto-up will break because of shitty design on the sliders

-Non M cars have been known to tear rear subframes if they are track driven with stiff suspension(fixed with ///M reinforcement kit)

-Premature failure of rear shock mounts(80 dollar aftermarket ones last forever)

-Early E36 vehicles uses plastic impellers on water pump, plastic eventually wears and no water will be pumped, replace with new part number with "composite" water pump

-Premature rear tire wear due to factory camber settings(a good thing)

-5th gear indent stick on cold morning(non issue unless you are really anal)

-Rear Shock failure, the E36 rear shocks are too long for the vehicle and cause premature failure

That is what I can think of right now, there are small others im sure that I do not know of or havent experienced.

Here is a FULL COMPLETE LIST OF THINGS THAT HAVE BROKEN THAT REQUIRED FIXING!!!

110K on the vehicle:
-Radiator was replaced at 86K(This was replaced BEFORE failure)
-Diff bolt was broken multiple times(replaced bolt and installed AA Tuning Diff Support Bracket, no issues as of yet, 5K on the vehicle since installation)

THAT IS IT! NOTHING ELSE!

Maintenance Items:

Front Control arms and bushings
Rear shock mounts(upgraded to ground control)
Tranny Mounts(upgraded to UUC Red with enforcer cups)
1 clutch job, wasnt necessary but I was going to have the tranny out for the exhaust so I did it anyways.
Oil changes, tranny and diff fluid changes
Bleed brakes and couple brake jobs(increased number of brake jobs due to track use)

DinanM3atl

10-27-2006, 12:14 PM

i just read all of this thread, and i have just a few things to add:

STI pink is hot, yet they do not have rims that are pink for them. they are not factory accessories. the cage, badging, and oodles of other stuff is tho.

i want to see a stock e36 m3 OUTRUN an STI, 0-top speed. none of this "it has all wheel drive" or "its speed limited" bullshit. its out of box agianst out of box.

ia.com should ask bmw for royalties for the number of adds posted by dinan and kendogg. fuck allowing free advertising.

consumer reports is as unbiased as it comes. period. as for the american mags to the uk mags, last time i checked we are in america. we get the US version of the cars so an american publication would be best for us to argue with anyways.

the track day- give me a few weeks. im game. not ra though, im thinking lil tally or roabling.

From 0 to top speed the STI wins. The E36 m3 will not be able to catch up because of the distance out of the hole the STI will be ahead.

READING IS NOT YOUR FRIEND EITHER. LEARN TO READ AND TAKE IN THE KNOWLEDGE, NOT CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO TAKE IN AND THEN DECIDE WHAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO. FUCK. READ FOR CONTENT BEFORE YOU FUCKING POST!

100 mph roll, stock vs stock. The E36 M3 will SLOW SLOWLY SLOWLY pull away. Don't you know you have 2 over drive gears in the STI. The E36 M3 has a 5 speed close ratio box with a 1 to 1 5th gear. But since you didnt fucking read you do not know this. You picked up on random piece here and random piece here and there and then fucking spout out some bullshit. The STI is faster at the drag strip, easier to make alot faster. But stock to stock 100 mph roll the M3 slowly pulls away.

Vteckidd

10-27-2006, 12:15 PM

that car sounds like a piece of shit, my civic doesnt need all that

thinkfast®

10-27-2006, 12:18 PM

I'll pull on all you lames w/ my homeys '64 SS, got the 409 from factory, dynoed at 512whp.... WHO WANT IT??? :D

joecoolfreak

10-27-2006, 12:18 PM

Google is my friend...from a bwm forum:

This is an attempt to compile as much of a list as possible about known E36 3 series flaws one might encounter. Keep in mind that these are known issues pertaining to design, production, or quality control, and in some cases, not necessarily recognized by BMW as such.

A little bit of background on the E36, which covers the '92-'99 3 series models (with some exceptions) . . . According to Bimmer Magazine, BMW E30 (and prior) engineers used complex math equations and heavy field testing to figure out required strength and durability, then they would double or triple the outcome, resulting in a fairly bulletproof car. Not so with the E36, which proved to be somewhat less reliable than the models before or after it, for two main reasons. The E36 is the very first BMW in history to be designed on CAD, and instead of extensive testing, they relied on the program to determine how robust a part or system should be. Secondly, they were engineered with recycling in mind. Which is a bit of an irony, since many owners can make these cars last upwards of 250-300 thousand miles. That isn't to say that the E36 is a shoddy Bimmer- they do more than live up to time honored BMW tradition, as the motors are quite strong, and light years ahead of the E21/E30 powerplants, along with numerous other significant improvements in comfort and performance.

Still, many of them were poorly maintained and abused by previous owners, and as they're currently approaching the higher mileage threshold, you can expect to spend a little money restoring one. But by no means should you not consider buying one, because it's an absolute thrill to drive, and tends to be more reliable compared to other cars in its class, despite its shortcomings. Furthermore, it should be mentioned that while the following list may seem frightening, not all E36's will experience these issues, and since they typically are higher mileage cars nowadays, a lot of the problems have already been addressed by recalls and previous repairs. On to the list . . . .

Engine Bay:

-There is no doubt that the most notorious E36 issue is the water pump. 6 cylinder models up to MY â€™97 were equipped with plastic impellers which would break apart and fail prematurely, stopping the coolant flow. Typical replacement interval is 60k, but theyâ€™ve been known to fail at as low as 20-30k, and often randomly. Replacement pumps employ a metal impeller. If youâ€™re not sure that it was changed, do it anyway. Here's how. (http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/techarticles/E36-Water-Pump/E36-water-pump.htm)

-Clutch fan can shatter and cause extensive damage to the radiator, belts and other parts in its vicinity. A common preventative measure is to remove it using a procedure known as the Fan Delete Mod, (http://www.understeer.com/fanclutchmod.shtml) but diligent regular inspection of the blades and timely replacement should suffice.

-The stock E36 radiator has plastic necks which can crack or break over time. Even if it looks fine, you may want to replace it, especially near the 100k mark, which is about the typical time when radiators fail. An alternative is to replace it with an all metal unit. The same goes for the plastic thermostat housing, aluminum replacements are available. Again, regular visual inspection is the key to avoiding costly damage.
http://files.unitedbimmer.com/ub.c/Dudesky_E36/tstat.jpg

-The fuel feed hose at the engine fitting can harden over time and cause seepage at that location. BMWâ€™s recall campaign replaced the hose and clamps.

-Engine ticking can occur, particularly with older E36â€™s. This is characterized by a ticking sound (at idle) or the sound of marbles (under throttle) on the passenger side of the engine bay, most noticeable just after startup. It usually happens because engine oil can take some time to reach the VANOS and hydraulic lifters for lubrication. Most agree that this is normal, and is not something to worry about, unless you hear the noise all the time. In that case, the lifters may need replacement. The M50 was notorious for this lifter noise, and in severe cases BMW replaced the motor under warranty. However, on the M42, the problem is usually a failing chain tensioner, a relatively easy fix.

-Rough or poor idling is generally attributed to a dirty idle control valve, (http://www.unitedbimmer.com/kb-e36-icvcleaning.php) or a faulty oxygen sensor. But it can also be traced to the VANOS unit, which can get stuck in the advanced position, requiring a dealership adjustment or replacement.
http://files.unitedbimmer.com/ub.c/Dudesky_E36/icv.jpg

-On some â€™93 and earlier M42 engines, which includes both the E30 & E36 318is, the profile gasket can be eroded by coolant, leading to failure anywhere from 30-70k mi. This is a costly problem since the cylinder head has to come off so the gasket can be replaced with an upgraded version. Although using only BMW approved coolant can help slow down the process, it does not prevent the failure.

-Some European variants of the M52 engine before MY â€™98 experienced premature cylinder bore wear, resulting in a loss of power and compression. This was attributed to the sulfur in gasoline, and the only solution is to replace the damaged alloy block. If you suspect you have this issue, have a compression test done.

-Drive belt idler pulley on some E36/M52 models may have been installed incorrectly during production, causing premature wear and eventual failure of the belt. This will occur during the first few hundred miles, characterized by excessive belt noise.

-Throttle valve can get stuck on some models, causing uncontrollable acceleration. This affected 1996 E36â€™s (410,000 units), but other years may also apply. The problem lies in both the cruise control and throttle cables, where the plastic bushing on the cable end can break, allowing the cable sleeve to get stuck. BMW issued a recall campaign for this, and the solution was to install a spring steel retainer clip on the cable ends to prevent the outer sleeve from dislodging from the bushing.
http://files.unitedbimmer.com/ub.c/Dudesky_E36/retainer_clips.jpg

-E36/M44 engines may have bad ICVâ€™s, creating a whistling noise, or causing a hard start or no start condition. The ICV was manufactured with incorrect tolerances between the rotary valve and the housing. The newer updated part number is 13 41 1 435 846.

-M50 engines with VANOS produced 1/92 to 8/94 may have problems starting in cold weather below 46 degrees fahrenheit, or in high altitudes. Symptoms include a check engine light, long cranking times, black smoke from exhaust, and wet spark plugs. When this occurs, the EPROM needs to be reprogrammed by the dealer (MoDiC programming software version 5.1 or higher).

Transmission & Final Drive:

-A faulty guide sleeve on the 1st & 2nd gear may cause the tranny to pop out of gear. Requires disassembly of the gearbox.

-On manual trannies, 2nd gear can completely blow out, or it may refuse to go into 5th gear when cold. Though very rare, this problem is expensive and requires a rebuild or replacement altogether.

-Squeaky clutch pedals are very common, the only solution is to replace the bushings with aftermarket parts, available from UUC Motorwerks.

-Stock transmission mounts can cause excessive vibration or movement, resulting in missed shifts and engine over revving. This problem is commonly referred to as "the money shift". A number of stiffer aftermarket mounts are available at Bimmerworld. (http://www.bimmerworld.com/)

-Differential clutch pack retaining ring bolts can loosen or back out, eventually resulting in rear end failure. If you hear a ticking noise in the rear, have the final drive checked out.

-Some clutches shudder when 1st or 2nd gear is engaged while the car is hot, or has been driven in stop and go traffic for long periods. This is due to a non-asbestos lining on the clutch plate. BMW apparently has a new lining available; however some new owners continue to experience this shuddering.

-Flex discs (also known as Guibo couplings) can crack or shred prematurely. This coupling connects the driveline to the transmission. Characterized by a knocking under the tranny hump or a thunking noise under acceleration. Not overly difficult to replace.

Antilock Braking System:

-Faulty ABS pump motor relays manufactured prior to May â€™96 can trigger the ABS warning light.

-On rare occasions, the ABS warning light may glow briefly after turning on electrical accessories. This is a sign of a hardware problem with the ABS control module, which will need replacing.

-ABS rear wheel speed sensors on â€™92 E36â€™s had poor solder connections. If the date code is 0801 (80th day of 1991) or older, they need to be replaced.

-On some â€™93 318is and 325is, six bolts which fasten the bottom cover of the ABS hydraulic unit to its housing may not have been tightened properly during production. The proper torque is 15 Nm. If itâ€™s looser than that, the hydraulic unit is probably damaged and should be replaced.

Steering:

-Many E36's had the lower steering column replaced as a result of corrosion; there was a recall campaign for this.

-Power steering hose can leak. In worst cases, the condition eventually leads to hose failure, resulting in a loss of steering assist.

-Worn tie rod ends are often noticeable as a judder under braking. This is commonly mistaken for warped rotors as it has almost the same feel.

Suspension & Undercarriage:

-Rear shock mount failure is a very common problem, and can occur in as little as 20k miles. The symptoms begin with a dull clunking noise in the rear over bumps or rough roads, indicating that the shock piston rod has separated from the bushing mount. This can progress into metallic noises as the mount bolts shear off if not replaced in a timely fashion. The broken mounts eventually damage and tear the rear shock towers. Stronger E46 mounts along with Z3 reinforcement plates are recommended for replacement, and even better aftermarket parts are available from outfits such as Rogue Engineering and Ground Control.
http://files.unitedbimmer.com/ub.c/Dudesky_E36/rsm_failure.jpg

-Weak front outer ball joints are typical on the E36. A common solution is to use stronger E30 control arms with ball joints preattached, simplifying the installation. All metal ball joints (Meyle) are another alternative, but at the cost of a slightly harsher ride.

-Rear inner control arm bushings are another weak spot, and should be upgraded to the tougher â€™96 or newer replacements.

-Under (but not limited to) heavy racing or track conditions, the rear subframe bushing mounts can tear off the body, causing extensive damage. Though rare, this typically requires welding reinforcement plates to repair the body.

-Rear trailing arm bushings can wear in as little as 50k miles, although there is debate on whether this is a fault or regular maintenance issue. Symptoms of bad trailing arm bushings include side movement of the rear end under acceleration, general looseness of the rear over bumps, and abnormal tire wear. United Bimmer has a DIY for this item. (http://www.unitedbimmer.com/kb-e36-reartrailingarmbrushing.php) In a handful of isolated cases, the threaded holes for the console's 3 mounting bolts fatigued, allowing the console portion of the arm to break away from the car body.

-Some E36â€™s may experience unusual wear along the outer edge of the front tires. This is resolved by replacing the upper strut to hub mounting bolt with an â€œE36 camber correction boltâ€. Itâ€™s smaller in diameter than the standard bolt, allowing for Â½ degree of camber adjustment. However, the dealer may not know what youâ€™re referring to, as the documentation on this part (#07 11 99 00 58 7) is very sketchy. Internet rumor has it that there are some sort of legal implications to this issue???
http://files.unitedbimmer.com/ub.c/Dudesky_E36/camber_corr.jpg

Electrical / Electronics:

-DME compartment flooding is a common problem for model years up to â€™94. Symptoms are hard starting or no start condition after heavy rain or a car wash. Insufficient drainage allows water to collect in the intake plenum cowl for the heating/AC, and overflows into the DME compartment. BMW issued a service bulletin with an easy fix (http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/techarticles/E36-DME-Repair/E36-DME-Repair.htm) for the situation.

-Earlier E36â€™s had issues regarding defective ignition coils from Zundspule and Bemis. They were replaced with Bosch coils. If you still have the older brands installed, replace them right away. Cracked coils can seriously damage the ECU.

-Corrosion on electrical harnesses, particularly 2 and 3pin sensor wires, can result in erroneous readings and trigger warning lamps. Certain plug connections have a rectangular seal which comes off unnoticed, allowing debris to enter and raise the electrical resistance in the circuit, triggering a false warning. Often these problems are misdiagnosed. Some tin plated contacts have been replaced with gold by dealerships over the years to alleviate these issues. Problems include, but not limited to, oil level/pressure warning lamps, camshaft sensor, coolant level/temp sensors, incorrect fuel gauge & speedometer readings, and brake light warnings. Contact cleaner works well as a preventative measure.

-Voltage regulators typically fail on 318â€™s fitted with Valeo alternators. The regulator can be replaced separately.

-Power windows sometimes behave erratically, moving up or down only in 1â€ increments. This is attributed to a magnet on the motor shaft falling out of position. The magnet can be moved back into position to correct this problem.

-A failing comfort relay (http://members.roadfly.com/petah/e36comfortrelay.htm) causes the windows and sunroof to stop working inexplicably.

-In rare instances, owners have reported major wire chafing in the trunk harness, causing interior and exterior lighting failures and numerous blown fuses. Visually inspect this harness from time to time to be on the safe side.
http://files.unitedbimmer.com/ub.c/Dudesky_E36/chafing.jpg

-E36's with M42 engine and manual transmissions were recalled by BMW North America for incorrect routing of the oxygen sensor wiring harness. The wire could stretch and break, disconnecting it from the DME, and triggering the check engine light.

-A capacitor failure in the climate control module prevents the blower from operating while the AC compressor is engaged. The lights on the control module will also dim or go out completely. Fortunately, someone has figured out how to fix this (http://www.macadamizer.com/bmwfix.html) without buying a new module.

-Glass breakage sensors on stock alarms supplied by Alpine can false trigger at times when the interior cabin temperature is high.

-Radio problems have been reported, most regarding dimmed or no backlighting. This is a dealer fix, but a better alternative is to replace the radio altogether.

-On some E36â€™s, most notably the â€™95 M3, a faulty circuit in the safety relay can activate the hazard flashers and unlock the doors while going over bumps in the road.

-The heater element on heated seats often fails and needs replacement.

-Brake light switch failures are common, although there is debate on whether this is a quality control issue. Replacement (http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/techarticles/E36-Brake_Switch/E36-Brake_Switch.htm) is fairly easy.

Interior/Exterior Fit and Finish:

-Inadequate water drainage and/or rust proofing on some models causes rusting at the bottom of the front passenger side fender where it meets the door.
http://files.unitedbimmer.com/ub.c/Dudesky_E36/rust_fender.jpg

-Brake ducts on earlier models were poorly attached and can be dislodged or fall off. This also damages or breaks off the external temperature sensor, which is attached inside the duct.

-Early fog lamp lenses crack due to temperature related stresses, a warranty fix.

-Some dashboards bulge up at the center air vent. Inadequate adhesion causes delamination problems on door panels. Midrange and tweeter speaker trim cracks are also common.

-Glove boxes can sag over time, there is a fix for this problem. (http://www.understeer.com/glovebox.shtml)

-Rear door noises on â€™96 and later saloons are attributed to the type of rubber used on the door trim seals.

-Sunroof and rear parcel shelf (http://www.unitedbimmer.com/forums/thread609.html) rattles are common. Replacing certain parts in the sunroof mechanism fixes the noise, and you can support the rear deck with some foam stuffing to eliminate the rattle.

-Plastic headlight covers dull or get foggy. A number of compounds and polishes have been known to yield good results, but ultimately they ought to be replaced with the European glass units.

Mike Lowrey

10-27-2006, 12:31 PM

I did not want to come back but for the FUCKING GOOGLE BULLSHIT COMMENT i had to.

And reading is not your friend either, I NEVER said they have zero problems... get over yourself

I do NOT need google or any other fucking search engine to debate with you about BMWs. So STFU with your google comments over and over and over again. It is getting very old and is fucking lame.

E36 does not have electrical problems. Whoever said that is a fucking moron, BMW has NEVER had wiring issues. Maybe technology that is beyond what a customer knows what to do(iDrive) but no ELECTRICAL problems. Sure sensors may go bad from time to time but that is not a wiring issue. I will list my E36 known flaws here. Just so everyone knows that I know it is not perfect.

-BMW E36 runs hot, it kills radiator necks, every 80K needs a radiator.

-E36 Window Regulators, It has auto-up and down, auto-up will break because of shitty design on the sliders

-Non M cars have been known to tear rear subframes if they are track driven with stiff suspension(fixed with ///M reinforcement kit)

-Premature failure of rear shock mounts(80 dollar aftermarket ones last forever)

-Early E36 vehicles uses plastic impellers on water pump, plastic eventually wears and no water will be pumped, replace with new part number with "composite" water pump

-Premature rear tire wear due to factory camber settings(a good thing)

-5th gear indent stick on cold morning(non issue unless you are really anal)

-Rear Shock failure, the E36 rear shocks are too long for the vehicle and cause premature failure

That is what I can think of right now, there are small others im sure that I do not know of or havent experienced.

Here is a FULL COMPLETE LIST OF THINGS THAT HAVE BROKEN THAT REQUIRED FIXING!!!

110K on the vehicle:
-Radiator was replaced at 86K(This was replaced BEFORE failure)
-Diff bolt was broken multiple times(replaced bolt and installed AA Tuning Diff Support Bracket, no issues as of yet, 5K on the vehicle since installation)

THAT IS IT! NOTHING ELSE!

Maintenance Items:

Front Control arms and bushings
Rear shock mounts(upgraded to ground control)
Tranny Mounts(upgraded to UUC Red with enforcer cups)
1 clutch job, wasnt necessary but I was going to have the tranny out for the exhaust so I did it anyways.
Oil changes, tranny and diff fluid changes
Bleed brakes and couple brake jobs(increased number of brake jobs due to track use)

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

That is alot of problems for the "ultimate car"......

p.s. My offer to run your "ultimate driving machine" in my japanese, non-luxury car, still stands... :goodjob:

DinanM3atl

10-27-2006, 12:43 PM

Mike Lowrey

10-27-2006, 12:50 PM

ALOT??!?!?!?!hahahahaah that is like 1000 dollars worth of maintenance over 110K miles...

Again Road Atlanta, March, come to the track.

I have NONE of those problems in my E36. Get over it.

Out again, I didnt want to get back into this arguement, want me to start posting those same list for every other car, that is singled out random shit from the E36, including early 92-94 cars which were MAJOR pieces of shit.

Yes, that is alot. I peviously owned several Toyota MR2's and do you know what I replaced that car in 108k miles?

1. Oil & filter changes
2. Regular maint. (i.e. spark plugs, wires, etc)

That is all. Can you say that for the BMW's? I think not. They are not reliable compared to other vehicles.

P.S. You still did not answer my question about running you in my non-luxury vehicle? Are you going to answer this or pretent you didn't read it?

Scrappy

10-27-2006, 12:50 PM

Mike Lowrey

10-27-2006, 12:53 PM

Thought this was interesting.......

Seems that BMW is just better than the industry average and is beat by a few japanese and american vehicles.....hmmm..... :goodjob:

....of course you are just going to say that this is somehow biased against you beloved BMW..... :rolleyes:

man

10-27-2006, 01:25 PM

1SICKLEX

10-27-2006, 01:32 PM

Round II!

Mike Lowrey

10-27-2006, 01:33 PM

Round II!

DING!

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

Scrappy

10-27-2006, 01:35 PM

DING!

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:

quit e-thuggin and get me some yummy... im starving! :tongue1:

Mike Lowrey

10-27-2006, 01:36 PM

quit e-thuggin and get me some yummy... im starving! :tongue1:

Haha! I had some steak the other day with yummy sauce that I thieved....

Mmmmm Yummy.....

1SICKLEX

10-27-2006, 01:45 PM

I am actually posting from smokey bones......Nokia 9300>ur pda...

man

10-27-2006, 01:46 PM

I am actually posting from smokey bones......Nokia 9300>ur pda...

Which one?

BTW: This is in my garage right now
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/opticshadow123/Image020.jpg

Shoulda bought a BMW

Mike Lowrey

10-27-2006, 01:49 PM

What happened to slow dinanm3 dude?

Mike Lowrey

10-27-2006, 01:50 PM

There he is.....

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RX8volution

10-27-2006, 02:01 PM

The sad part is that this debate will go on forever, no one will win, and it would have been the same thing if I posted pics of a new Lexus, Audi, etc. How dumb.

I've said it before, I'll say it again... "Arguing on the Internet is like running the Special Olympics - even if you win... you're still retarded." :idb:

1SICKLEX

10-27-2006, 02:04 PM

Which one?

BTW: This is in my garage right now
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/opticshadow123/Image020.jpg

Shoulda bought a BMWIn Covington.....by Stonecrest

man

10-27-2006, 02:06 PM

In Covington.....by Stonecrest

Gotcha, just wondering cause I used to work at the one at North Point.

kendogg

10-27-2006, 04:09 PM

Unfortunately, AFAIK, every BMW ever build has cooling system issues. They've never been able to get that right for some reason :/ My E28 535i had the water pump go out on me which was quite common with 0 warning. Shaft starts to get play, bearins loosen up, and then it locks up, normally destroying teh fan in the process, ebcause the shaft tilts just enough to allow the fan to make contact with the crank pulley. It sucked. Super easy water pump to replace, though,everything is right there. Thats the second part of owning a BMW that I enjoy,. is that when it's fix-it time, they are uber easy to repair. For a car made in the last 20-ish years, I think the only other car that I personally would cnosider easier to work on, that I have experience working on at least, is a Subaru.

And I can't attest to the E36 problems nor support the E36, I'm not a fan of the car. Awesoem car to drive, but not built well enough IMO. The E36 was the beginnign of the end for BMW quality in the 3 series. The E46 is a pile, it's really sad to say, but ti's true. Time will tell what the new E90 does.

The VANOS noises, failures, and lifter noises/failures are due to 2 main problems - the factory spec'd oil of 0W-40 synthetic, and the 15k mile oil change interval that BMW trieas to spec. sdwitching to 20W-50 castrol or the like eliminates these problems almost permanently. Vanos units can also fail from VANOS solenoid failure, and failure to erplace the solenoid by either ignoring, or not knowing it has failed, can cause pre-mature VANOS failure.

I love my E30, I love the M20 engine in it, and my god is the motor bulletproof for a 70's designed engine, but the M5x series fo engines are better. I will probably still end up building my M20 for boost evntually, unless I come across an M5x engine for almost nothing. And I don't know for myself, but DinanM3ATL was telling me that the aluminum thermostat housings actually have a higher failure rate than the plastic ones, due to the fact that they warp or crack more foten. Stock replacement plastic thermostat housing should be used. Regular maintenence of the cooling system will help ward off 'some' of these problems, but not forever. When 1 part fails in the cooling system, it's fairly well known that it's best to replace the entire system. This includes water pump, thermostat, housing, belt, all hoses and clamps.

DieselNuts

10-27-2006, 04:40 PM

E36 does not have electrical problems. Whoever said that is a fucking moron, BMW has NEVER had wiring issues.
Im the one that said that the E36 has electrical problems. I put money on it that you wont call me a moron to my face motherfucker. Go pick up a fucking CONSUMER REPORT and check out what it says about the E36 series fucker. You will find A BIG BLACK DOT meaning that it has multiple problems with the GOD DAMN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM!

After all this bullshit that is oozing out of your mouth, im just gonna start calling you 7PSIBABYGIRL :doh:

RedGTS

10-27-2006, 04:50 PM

If Jesus could pick one car to drive forever it would be an E36 BMW

Ran

10-27-2006, 04:51 PM

Taking bets on how long it'll be until this thread hits 1000 posts yet?

RedGTS

10-27-2006, 04:53 PM

consumer reports is as unbiased as it comes. period. as for the american mags to the uk mags, last time i checked we are in america. we get the US version of the cars so an american publication would be best for us to argue with anyways.

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If you think consumers report is unbias, you need to check again, that magazine is garbage

DieselNuts

10-27-2006, 05:15 PM

If you think consumers report is unbias, you need to check again, that magazine is garbage
what the hell are you smoking? :thinking: Thats the most reliable magizine there is as far as reviews go.

Ran

10-27-2006, 05:42 PM

what the hell are you smoking? :thinking: Thats the most reliable magizine there is as far as reviews go.Save your breath dude.

thecrazyone

10-27-2006, 05:58 PM

hahaah jesus was an extraterrestrial thats classic.

BTLFED

10-27-2006, 07:16 PM

Still fucking going....give me a break. :rolleyes:

Diesel Nuts, that chick is fucking smoking hot on the hood of your car (Diamond Graphite?).

RedGTS

10-27-2006, 08:44 PM

what the hell are you smoking? :thinking: Thats the most reliable magizine there is as far as reviews go.

I've worked the the appliances and electronics field for several years, and some of the products they rate the best are from it. Take for instance panasonic plasma's, Consumer reports has rated that tv #1 for three years in a row. That tv is a garbage box compared to hitachi or toshiba which cost less. I could give you 50 more examples:blah:

Fuck a magazine get out there in the field and find out whats the best product to buy....end of rant

DBCooper

10-28-2006, 12:07 AM

so um why are u excited?

1SICKLEX

10-28-2006, 12:23 AM

I've worked the the appliances and electronics field for several years, and some of the products they rate the best are from it. Take for instance panasonic plasma's, Consumer reports has rated that tv #1 for three years in a row. That tv is a garbage box compared to hitachi or toshiba which cost less. I could give you 50 more examples:blah:

Fuck a magazine get out there in the field and find out whats the best product to buy....end of rant
R U serious? Who has time to try and find out about every product offered. Consumer Reports and JD Power are reliable sources for information on products. I also don't live and die by what they say but for the most part they are accurate and unbiased as you can truly ask for.

DieselNuts

10-28-2006, 12:21 PM

Still fucking going....give me a break. :rolleyes:

Diesel Nuts, that chick is fucking smoking hot on the hood of your car (Diamond Graphite?).
Thanks man. Yeah, its DG. Personally, I think its one of the best colors on the G spot :goodjob:

GGPIS3

10-29-2006, 01:03 PM

I guess saturn has respect for the price people are paying for them. My M3 better not see the open road on some shitty 18 wheeler en route to the dealer, Porsche also uses enclosed trailers. That is how luxury works, Luxury from beginning to end!

lol... you guys are funny. what mercesdes or bmw has ever in HISTORY been able to claim a 5 star car from consumer reports for 5 straight years.....????

didn't think so.... now the LS430 on the other hand can claim that ;)

and if luxury = bmw/mercedes then you can have them and all of their problems.

GGPIS3

10-29-2006, 01:08 PM

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10-29-2006, 02:07 PM

and since is it considered "luxury" when you take in your 745LI for servicing and they give you a toyota camry as a loaner.... what does that tell you?? HAHAAHHAAHAHAHAAA

yeah, in connecticut, the largest bmw dealer there gives toyotas (camry's/corollas) for all of their loaner cars.... guess they realized they cost less to maintain and are much more reliable ;)

how you like them apples?

BAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! :lmfao:

At least Infiniti dealers give out G35s (and we have two QX56 loaners on top of that), and I am pretty sure Lexus gives out at least ES's. Must I get into the fact that RBM gives out FORD TAURSES as Loaners?! BAHAHAHAHHAHA!! :lmfao:

Fast Shadow

10-29-2006, 02:15 PM

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10-29-2006, 02:19 PM

GGPIS3

10-29-2006, 02:43 PM

I got two loaners when I took my M3 in for service. The first time I got a beaten to shit Elantra from Hertz because that was all they had. It was a piece of shit that looked like it was used for smuggling drugs. The second loaner I got was an X5 and it wasn't so bad. The thing is I had to make appointments like two weeks in advance in order to get any kind of a loaner at all. If I made an appointment less than a week in advance then it was MARTA time.

man that sux... dont know what you drive... but an elantra??? wtfing shit!

@ Lexus... they give you basically new rx's and es'.... i haven't had a loaner that was over 10,000 miles yet. and to top it off.. i haven't had warranty on my car for a while and i STILL get loaners for any type of servicing... and there isn't a 2 week advance notice needed. ;)

Mike Lowrey

10-29-2006, 05:16 PM

I got two loaners when I took my M3 in for service. The first time I got a beaten to shit Elantra from Hertz because that was all they had. It was a piece of shit that looked like it was used for smuggling drugs. The second loaner I got was an X5 and it wasn't so bad. The thing is I had to make appointments like two weeks in advance in order to get any kind of a loaner at all. If I made an appointment less than a week in advance then it was MARTA time.

They probably do not have enough laoners, because they have so many people having service problems with their cars.

Lexus does give out RX's, ES's, IS's and the occasional GS and SC. I have had my car in once to get a rear spoiler installed and received a GS430 as a loaner.

ironchef

10-29-2006, 08:04 PM

BAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! :lmfao:

At least Infiniti dealers give out G35s (and we have two QX56 loaners on top of that), and I am pretty sure Lexus gives out at least ES's. Must I get into the fact that RBM gives out FORD TAURSES as Loaners?! BAHAHAHAHHAHA!! :lmfao:Not that im trying to defend MBZ or anything, but everytime I've seen a RBM loaner car, its always been a newish c-class.

tony

10-29-2006, 08:51 PM

I got two loaners when I took my M3 in for service. The first time I got a beaten to shit Elantra from Hertz because that was all they had. It was a piece of shit that looked like it was used for smuggling drugs. The second loaner I got was an X5 and it wasn't so bad. The thing is I had to make appointments like two weeks in advance in order to get any kind of a loaner at all. If I made an appointment less than a week in advance then it was MARTA time.

With Infiniti I would go in for an oil change and they'd drop me the keys to a G35 just in case I had to go to work.. if they were out of loaners the manager would offer his demo.. a Q45 I believe it was.

Julio

10-29-2006, 09:39 PM

this is not the 70' or 80's where bens and bimmers were the shit.. even before those years...
hotter shit out there in this era.. Shit, Hyundai is more reliable then both of those.

=/

BTLFED

10-29-2006, 10:26 PM

Not that im trying to defend MBZ or anything, but everytime I've seen a RBM loaner car, its always been a newish c-class.

Since when? I have never seen RBM give out an actual MB as a loaner. Mercedes of Buckhead gives out C-Classes as loaners, though.

BTLFED

10-29-2006, 10:28 PM

With Infiniti I would go in for an oil change and they'd drop me the keys to a G35 just in case I had to go to work.. if they were out of loaners the manager would offer his demo.. a Q45 I believe it was.

That's what we do, or we put them in an Enterprise car if we were that out of loaners (which only happens once in a blue moon).

Brady

10-29-2006, 10:37 PM

for the record: i don't own a BMW but drive them a lot. and hard.

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yeah, in connecticut, the largest bmw dealer

actually....Braman in Miami is the largest BMW dealer. BMWNA doesn't give cars to dealers to use as loaner cars unlike some of other named companies. All of that is determined if something like a loaner is valuable on the wholesale side. But since when does what you get as a "courtesy loaner" have to do with being luxurious. I drive a 7 series, x5, x3, 3's, 5's, and m's at least once a week, whereas the Lexus, Infiniti, Mercs, and other "high line" automobiles not so often. I personally feel that BMW does make certian things more enjoyable in each class compared to their competitors. Yet, trying to make all of you who have never even driven a high end bmw, or hell most any bmw hard to realize that it truly is a more enjoyable, quality ride.

And in other news about wholesale...Guess who is number 1 at the Atlanta Auto Auction, West Palm Auto Auction, Nade, and, Riverside Auto Auction (4 of the top 5 selling wholesale auction in the WORLD). Yes thats right BMW. :D

There is about 7 different factors in determing the rankings. If you want them i'll tell you, but you probably still will not understand and want to argue.

BTLFED

10-29-2006, 10:43 PM

actually....Braman in Miami is the largest BMW dealer. BMWNA doesn't give cars to dealers to use as loaner cars unlike some of other named companies. All of that is determined if something like a loaner is valuable on the wholesale side. But since when does what you get as a "courtesy loaner" have to do with being luxurious. I drive a 7 series, x5, x3, 3's, 5's, and m's at least once a week, whereas the Lexus, Infiniti, Mercs, and other "high line" automobiles not so often. I personally feel that BMW does make certian things more enjoyable in each class compared to their competitors. Yet, trying to make all of you who have never even driven a high end bmw, or hell most any bmw hard to realize that it truly is a more enjoyable, quality ride.

And in other news about wholesale...Guess who is number 1 at the Atlanta Auto Auction, West Palm Auto Auction, Nade, and, Riverside Auto Auction (4 of the top 5 selling wholesale auction in the WORLD). Yes thats right BMW. :D

Way to come from left field with facts that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. Are you sooooo drunk, Brady?

Brady

10-29-2006, 10:45 PM

Way to come from left field with facts that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. Are you sooooo drunk, Brady?
OHHHH MY GAWD!!! I"M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WASTED. and tired. and defending my company so i have a job :D

BTLFED

10-29-2006, 10:46 PM

OHHHH MY GAWD!!! I"M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WASTED. and tired. and defending my company so i have a job :D

You sound like a car salesman hahahaha! Go to Bimmerforums with that nonsense! :slap: :lmfao:

Brady

10-29-2006, 10:54 PM

You sound like a car salesman hahahaha! Go to Bimmerforums with that nonsense! :slap: :lmfao:
fuck that salesman/retail shit. working on the wholesale side is the greatest.

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Fast Shadow

10-29-2006, 11:14 PM

man that sux... dont know what you drive... but an elantra??? wtfing shit!

@ Lexus... they give you basically new rx's and es'.... i haven't had a loaner that was over 10,000 miles yet. and to top it off.. i haven't had warranty on my car for a while and i STILL get loaners for any type of servicing... and there isn't a 2 week advance notice needed. ;)

E46 M3 is what I had. You'd think having bought a $60,000 car would get you better treatment. I traded it on an EVO because I decided if I was going to get Mitsubishi quality service (crap) from BMW then I may as well just save myself some money and buy a Mitsubishi. At least I know to expect shitty service from Mitsu.

It's no secret that if you want the best customer service you buy a Lexus. Only Ferrari hooks you up better than Lexus, and that's only if you buy a new Ferrari (which means buying 2 or 3 used ones at over MSRP before you can even buy a new one) and have a good salesman.

That being said I will probably buy another BMW someday. I like the new M5 and the 335i, too. But if I do buy another BMW I will not expect much from them in the way of good service, which is BS for the amount of money they charge.

I don't demand a BMW loaner but I do demand someting better than a fucked up Hyundai that had a broken doorhandle and torn up interior. Especially when I booked my service appointment 12 days ahead of time just so I could get a loaner at all.

ATK_Designs

10-29-2006, 11:15 PM

what round is this? Round 3?

Anyways, I agree man, Lexus gives you the best customer service. I mean, they (Lexus of South Altanta) even came to my girl's work place (in Alpharetta) drop off a brand new RX330, and TOW the IS250 to their place for 15K miles services. Then do the same next day when returned the car with a FULL TANK of gas. Never once did they drive her car back and forth.

My infiniti Dealer is nice, but not that nice compared to Lexus. I give lexus the two thumbs up in customer service.

Talk about that, my Bro dropped of his BMW 745Li to get service, guess what car they loaned him, a fucking enterprise Focus. What the fuck is that?

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I"m not pissing about anything. I just like to keep checking, as this is the longest thread I've been in in forever, and I laugh my ass off every time I read some of this shit, lol.

Z32redondo

10-29-2006, 11:18 PM

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**prepares for the pissing contest to restart**

You know what just to settle it for all the BMW owners... here (http://www.z1motorsports.com/350_g35/product_info.php?products_id=902) Now the cars are worth about the same as far as price goes...O and look at that a nissan/infinite still owns your BWM ass. I beleive that setup would definately take your ass on the track.

Fast Shadow

10-29-2006, 11:21 PM

Brady, do you work for Manheim?

ATK_Designs

10-29-2006, 11:23 PM

JBalla1036

10-29-2006, 11:24 PM

Just remember in SWC MAZDA 6 FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!