A car carrier arrived at work today (BMW DRIVERS VERSUS IA...DRAMA FTW!)

[Brady]

yes i do work for manheim.

[ShooterMcGavin]

^^^hook me up w/some of these pimp bmw's you're talkin about brady :D :goodjob:

[JennB]

Holy crap!

Went out of town for the entire weekend and this thing is STILL going when I return.

[ShooterMcGavin]

^^^this thread is sponsored by the energizer bunny, ain't u heard? :D

[1SICKLEX]

They probably do not have enough laoners, because they have so many people having service problems with their cars.

Lexus does give out RX's, ES's, IS's and the occasional GS and SC. I have had my car in once to get a rear spoiler installed and received a GS430 as a loaner.
Yes, Lexus loans RX/ES/IS 250.....though they do have a few "special" loaners for "special" customers.....I had the RX 400h before......:)

[GGPIS3]

for the record: i don't own a BMW but drive them a lot. and hard.




actually....Braman in Miami is the largest BMW dealer. BMWNA doesn't give cars to dealers to use as loaner cars unlike some of other named companies. All of that is determined if something like a loaner is valuable on the wholesale side. But since when does what you get as a "courtesy loaner" have to do with being luxurious. I drive a 7 series, x5, x3, 3's, 5's, and m's at least once a week, whereas the Lexus, Infiniti, Mercs, and other "high line" automobiles not so often. I personally feel that BMW does make certian things more enjoyable in each class compared to their competitors. Yet, trying to make all of you who have never even driven a high end bmw, or hell most any bmw hard to realize that it truly is a more enjoyable, quality ride.


And in other news about wholesale...Guess who is number 1 at the Atlanta Auto Auction, West Palm Auto Auction, Nade, and, Riverside Auto Auction (4 of the top 5 selling wholesale auction in the WORLD). Yes thats right BMW. :D

There is about 7 different factors in determing the rankings. If you want them i'll tell you, but you probably still will not understand and want to argue.


ok.. thank you for letting me know that you can't come up with one valid fact why bmw is better besides your opinion. and please do NOT confuse performance with luxury.

bmw is still luxury, however with a focus on performance. while mercesdes gears more toward luxury and class.. then you move on to lexus. they might not be the fastest on the road, but they are luxurious and more importantly RELIABLE... if im spending more money, its gonna be on a car that will last, not one that will make me seem like im richer. thanks.

[Brady]

ok.. thank you for letting me know that you can't come up with one valid fact why bmw is better besides your opinion. and please do NOT confuse performance with luxury.

bmw is still luxury, however with a focus on performance. while mercesdes gears more toward luxury and class.. then you move on to lexus. they might not be the fastest on the road, but they are luxurious and more importantly RELIABLE... if im spending more money, its gonna be on a car that will last, not one that will make me seem like im richer. thanks.

damn dan, calm down.

[The Yousef]

damn dan, calm down.
no...don't calm down...

ELIMINATE HIM!!!!


sorry...i'm bored...

[GGPIS3]

no...don't calm down...

ELIMINATE HIM!!!!


sorry...i'm bored...


el oh el...

dont get me wrong guys... i still love bmw's... and amg's... i've loved the e30 m3 for over a decade... then following i had the pleasure if driving an e36 M3 sedan with a few mods for a few years... i loved that car. but i hated how the headgasket broke at 50K, the tranny broke at 56K, the differential broke around 60k.. the aluminum key thing broke during the servicing of the differential.. and so on and so on..

but Luxury is much more than lexus, bmw and mercesdes... true luxury is Bentley, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin... etc etc...

[Brady]

el oh el...

dont get me wrong guys... i still love bmw's... and amg's... i've loved the e30 m3 for over a decade... then following i had the pleasure if driving an e36 M3 sedan with a few mods for a few years... i loved that car. but i hated how the headgasket broke at 50K, the tranny broke at 56K, the differential broke around 60k.. the aluminum key thing broke during the servicing of the differential.. and so on and so on..

but Luxury is much more than lexus, bmw and mercesdes... true luxury is Bentley, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin... etc etc...
Bentley's are overrated :D. I've driven a couple different generations of them. Only driven/riden in a new Phantom which was simply a-mazing, and driven a db7, db9, and vanquish. Yeah....i love my job.

[GGPIS3]

Bentley's are overrated :D. I've driven a couple different generations of them. Only driven/riden in a new Phantom which was simply a-mazing, and driven a db7, db9, and vanquish. Yeah....i love my job.

what is it u do>? and are you hiring?

[Scrappy]

Bentley's are overrated :D. I've driven a couple different generations of them. Only driven/riden in a new Phantom which was simply a-mazing, and driven a db7, db9, and vanquish. Yeah....i love my job.:cry: where you been? i need to play with my whiteboy afro man!

[man]

CARS ARE FOR FAGSSSSS!!!!!

[Brady]

:cry: where you been? i need to play with my whiteboy afro man!
yeah no kidding. I've been out of town for the last week. Work flew me down to Florida for all last week. Was at the Ga/Florida game saturday. Got home last night late. I'll be out this week.

[Jaimecbr900]

I did not want to come back but for the FUCKING GOOGLE BULLSHIT COMMENT i had to.

And reading is not your friend either, I NEVER said they have zero problems... get over yourself

Hey numb nuts....you getting tired of the google comments, then stop saying this bullshit about reading is not your friend. You sound like a damn broken record. :rolleyes:


I do NOT need google or any other fucking search engine to debate with you about BMWs. So STFU with your google comments over and over and over again. It is getting very old and is fucking lame.

I guess reading is not your friend genius. How many people besides me have owned the shit out of you and your BMW's BS you've been spouting?

When something doesn't go your way, you pout and say that it's biased. When it does, even if it's from the SAME SOURCE, you swear on it like it was a Bible. Make up your damn mind and quit flip flopping.



[quote]E36 does not have electrical problems. Whoever said that is a fucking moron, BMW has NEVER had wiring issues. Maybe technology that is beyond what a customer knows what to do(iDrive) but no ELECTRICAL problems. Sure sensors may go bad from time to time but that is not a wiring issue. I will list my E36 known flaws here. Just so everyone knows that I know it is not perfect.

You're a damn joke. Go over to your butt buddies on bimmerforums and have someone with at least some bit of sense come over and take over this debate for you because you sir are sucking at it. Badly!

If you have a problem with what a review says, go fight with the damn reviewer. Why are you trying to shoot the messanger? Does it or does it not say on Consumer Reports that BMW's have shitty electrical systems???? Go look it up genius BMW know-it-all. I told you I'd be willing to bet you there were a few black dots on your venerable "ultimate driving machine" and THERE IS. Why argue with me or anyone else that is merely putting up links to PROVE our point? We didn't write the damn article. I'm sure since you're so good at google, you can google them and write them a nice nasty email telling them how "biased" and how "wrong" they are when they test 1000's of cars and you have driven 1...... :rolleyes: .....Go ahead and tell them how you are good at google so YOU have to be better judge of what a car does and doesn't do because google and your vast 1 car experience trumps their YEARS of doing this for a living....... :rolleyes: ......Go right ahead. Knock yourself out.


-BMW E36 runs hot, it kills radiator necks, every 80K needs a radiator.

My radiator neck hasn't busted. I've got 117k on my car and atleast 30k of those have been boosted......Japanese 1, your BMW 0.


-E36 Window Regulators, It has auto-up and down, auto-up will break because of shitty design on the sliders

My windows go up and down, no problems. Japanese 2, your BMW 0.



-Non M cars have been known to tear rear subframes if they are track driven with stiff suspension(fixed with ///M reinforcement kit)

Lexus "non-luxury" :rolleyes: editions don't break frames at the track. I have full suspension package on my car making it 10X as stiff as stock. Still no frame tears. Driven on track, mountains, and every damn day. Japanese 3, your BMW still 0.


-Premature failure of rear shock mounts(80 dollar aftermarket ones last forever)

Then maybe super "luxury" BMW shouldn't of skimped on that part, huh?? :rolleyes: Japanese 4, your BMW 0.


-Early E36 vehicles uses plastic impellers on water pump, plastic eventually wears and no water will be pumped, replace with new part number with "composite" water pump

Again, maybe super duper "luxury" BMW shoulda thought of that. Japanese 5, your BMW 0.


-Premature rear tire wear due to factory camber settings(a good thing)


-5th gear indent stick on cold morning(non issue unless you are really anal)

-Rear Shock failure, the E36 rear shocks are too long for the vehicle and cause premature failure

Is like a resounding theme with you aint it???


You are fighting a loosing battle. You know why? Because YOUR statements are your own worst enemy. Had you said something more subtle or humble, we wouldn't be owning your ass all over the place. As it stands, you came in all cocky and talking shit and have been sent back to the minors for further pieces of humble pie. Even your only ally here has turned out to be much more level headed than you.

Some BMW's are cool as shit. M's are the top of their tier in a lot of ways, but that "gap" is quickly shrinking with the Japanese and even some German cars closing the gap. If not now, soon, there will be testers that will finally get off the bandwagon and crown a new middleweight better than the M's. Until then, enjoy your little time in the limelight. Nothing lasts forever......except maybe a Japanese car...... :taun:

[Ran]

Holy f*cking Hell, Jaimecbr900 went off. :lmfao:

[Brady]

Damn Jaime....calm down. You and dan nut sack riding lexus ;).

The vishnu tuned 335ci is the new standard of what is fast. I believe without to much tuning Shiv got 337hp and 369 ft/lbs on the dyno

and the soon to be shown Hartage 335xi sedan is going to make MOH BETTAH POWAH!

Hartage is estimating >400 to the wheels with their aggressive chip/injectors and 350 with their standard chip

[GTScoob]

http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=87796

Check out this broken BMW. I wonder if it had 75K miles of track time on the stock motor and tranny.

[Nismo]

So lets just wait until the new is460 comes out. The one dubbed the M-Slayer and see where Bmw is at with that. Over 400hp v8. Most likely will be mated to the 8 speed transmission from the new ls. Lexus plus like 10000 bmw 0

[d993s]

You obviously have not been following this thread. Right?

If you had, you'd see that not only CAN many of the people not buying into this BMW supremacy theory AFFORD them, some have HAD them. So that part of your theory is totally without merit at all.

BTW, go find examples of "misinformed" for us please.

You are the best example of misinformed.
You are solely google and consumer reports-informed, besides not getting head at the BMW dealer (sure it happens a lot at Lexus though) and CR are the most retardedly biased SOBs I've ever seen.
Don't make me repeat myself.

[Brady]

So lets just wait until the new is460 comes out. The one dubbed the M-Slayer and see where Bmw is at with that. Over 400hp v8. Most likely will be mated to the 8 speed transmission from the new ls. Lexus plus like 10000 bmw 0
speculation is a wonderful thing.

[GTScoob]

You are the best example of misinformed.
You are solely google and consumer reports-informed, besides not getting head at the BMW dealer (sure it happens a lot at Lexus though) and CR are the most retardedly biased SOBs I've ever seen.
Don't make me repeat myself.

Whoa, I get a free BJ if I buy a BMW? I thought that I was just gonna get fucked by the repair bills.

[Brady]

Whoa, I get a free BJ if I buy a BMW? I thought that I was just gonna get fucked by the repair bills.


:( but....:lmfao: :lmfao: funny comment.

The only good way to own a BMW is to lease it. Warranty all the way through ownership, service agreement for most of it (includes everything but tires, and yes EVERYTHING ie:brakes, wipers, oil, all fluids,filters, etc etc). Well except for the 02 and 03 745's they have a 6yr 100k warranty and a 3 year 36,000 mile service agreement.

[d993s]

So lets just wait until the new is460 comes out. The one dubbed the M-Slayer and see where Bmw is at with that. Over 400hp v8. Most likely will be mated to the 8 speed transmission from the new ls. Lexus plus like 10000 bmw 0
Are you sure it won't need a V16 with a 11 spd tranny to compete with the M cars?
Wannabe copycats are everywhere. It's a like a annoying chihuahua nipping at the ankles.
Why don't they concentrate on setting the standard, not copying it.
Lexus makes reliable (and very boring, isolated-from-driving) cars.
Not enough reason for me to buy one.
The cheezy "look guys, I'm a wannabe BMW" doesn't help either.

[Brady]

Are you sure it won't need a V16 with a 11 spd tranny to compete with the M cars?
Wannabe copycats are everywhere. It's a like a annoying chihuahua nipping at the ankles.
Why don't they concentrate on setting the standard, not copying it.
Lexus makes reliable (and very boring, isolated-from-driving) cars.
Not enough reason for me to buy one.
The cheezy "look guys, I'm a wannabe BMW" doesn't help either.
when is the last time you read your signature?

[d993s]

Whoa, I get a free BJ if I buy a BMW? I thought that I was just gonna get fucked by the repair bills.

Funny. :gay:

Naw, Thoobaru rulz, yo! It's so kewl!

Thoobaru 50 million, BMW 0 :lmfao:

[d993s]

when is the last time you read your signature?

Wow, you're right. I must be really bored today........

[Nismo]

The only speculation on that part is the transmission. The is460 is happening though. Of course there is always the LFA

[Brady]

The only speculation on that part is the transmission. The is460 is happening though. Of course there is always the LFA
well alright then. That thing is gonna be a beast.

[man]

Don't make me repeat myself.

lol :screwy:

[Ran]

I can't believe this thread is still going. Sad

[man]

I can't believe this thread is still going. Sad

I know, it's pretty funny though. I don't think there is a better example of automotive immaturity on this site. It's funny that some of these guys call themselves enthusiasts, to me they are biased, uninformed, whining little girls.

[1SICKLEX]

So lets just wait until the new is460 comes out. The one dubbed the M-Slayer and see where Bmw is at with that. Over 400hp v8. Most likely will be mated to the 8 speed transmission from the new ls. Lexus plus like 10000 bmw 0
Actually its called the IS-F..has the new Lexus 5.0 V-8 not the 4.6....I started a thread on it with pics....
Next M3 will be a V-8...I love Lexus but the BMW will b sportier

[kendogg]

http://forums.importatlanta.com/showthread.php?t=87796

Check out this broken BMW. I wonder if it had 75K miles of track time on the stock motor and tranny.

Reply'd. Sorry, I honestly don't watch this forum very much. Only reason I even got into this thread was DinanM3atl is actually my current roomate (moving out by the end of november), and it seemed quite funny at the time, so..... And here we be.

[man]

I love Lexus but the BMW will b sportier

And they always will be. But what none of the bmw guys seem to understand is that not everyone wants a super sporty car. Some people like the extra comfort and longevity that can't be provided by a high-performance car.

To the BMW guys: This does not mean I don't like BMWs, I just don't understand why you think they are the best cars in the world; that is a purely subjective matter. Some people would say a Tundra is the best, or a Ferrari, it's just a matter of interests. In the end it doesn't matter what any person says about a car, the only thing that means anything is what you yourself like. Stop trying to convert everyone to BMW, it wont work, and why would you want it to? One of the reasons I love my car is because of the rarity, would you really love your car as much if everyone on the road drove the same damn thing? Doubt it.

[kendogg]

And they always will be. But what none of the bmw guys seem to understand is that not everyone wants a super sporty car. Some people like the extra comfort and longevity that can't be provided by a high-performance car.

To the BMW guys: This does not mean I don't like BMWs, I just don't understand why you think they are the best cars in the world; that is a purely subjective matter. Some people would say a Tundra is the best, or a Ferrari, it's just a matter of interests. In the end it doesn't matter what any person says about a car, the only thing that means anything is what you yourself like. Stop trying to convert everyone to BMW, it wont work, and why would you want it to? One of the reasons I love my car is because of the rarity, would you really love your car as much if everyone on the road drove the same damn thing? Doubt it.

I hear ya man. But nobody in their right mind would rag a guy for a ferrari :screwy: :yes:

[Ran]

I hear ya man. But nobody in their right mind would rag a guy for a ferrari :screwy: :yes:I would. :D

[kendogg]

I would. :D

Man, youz crazy, lol. I wish I could afford even the maintenence on a ferrari, lmfao. I'd own one in a heartbeat if I could somehow find the money to pay for it, lol.

[man]

I hear ya man. But nobody in their right mind would rag a guy for a ferrari :screwy: :yes:

You would be surprised, I browse Ferrarichat.com and there were a couple M3 and Porsche (not trying to single them out, but they were from a bmw site) guys on there mocking the Ferrari guys. I just don't understand it, I love all cars and have great respect for them. It's just a mystery to me why others, especially the older, wealthier crowd, can't do the same as a kid in his early 20s, I would think it would be the opposite.

[d993s]

And they always will be. But what none of the bmw guys seem to understand is that not everyone wants a super sporty car. Some people like the extra comfort and longevity that can't be provided by a high-performance car.

To the BMW guys: This does not mean I don't like BMWs, I just don't understand why you think they are the best cars in the world; that is a purely subjective matter. Some people would say a Tundra is the best, or a Ferrari, it's just a matter of interests. In the end it doesn't matter what any person says about a car, the only thing that means anything is what you yourself like. Stop trying to convert everyone to BMW, it wont work, and why would you want it to? One of the reasons I love my car is because of the rarity, would you really love your car as much if everyone on the road drove the same damn thing? Doubt it.

Fer shizzle.
BMW guys prefer BMWs, Porsche guys prefer Porsches. It doesn't mean shit.
Being better is a combination of opinion vs what we look for in a car.
And all we do is point out the positives, and ignore the negatives to justify why we drive the cars we drive........isn't that how it goes?

[kendogg]

You would be surprised, I browse Ferrarichat.com and there were a couple M3 and Porsche (not trying to single them out, but they were from a bmw site) guys on there mocking the Ferrari guys. I just don't understand it, I love all cars and have great respect for them. It's just a mystery to me why others, especially the older, wealthier crowd, can't do the same as a kid in his early 20s, I would think it would be the opposite.

Damn, thats crazy. Ferrari's are crazy expensive to own, I mean, they arne't exactly designed to be a daily, you know, but wtf, your right, thats insane.

[man]

Fer shizzle.
BMW guys prefer BMWs, Porsche guys prefer Porsches. It doesn't mean shit.
Being better is a combination of opinion vs what we look for in a car.
And all we do is point out the positives, and ignore the negatives to justify why we drive the cars we drive........isn't that how it goes?

But why should we have to justify why we drive the cars we drive?

[kendogg]

Fer shizzle.
BMW guys prefer BMWs, Porsche guys prefer Porsches. It doesn't mean shit.
Being better is a combination of opinion vs what we look for in a car.
And all we do is point out the positives, and ignore the negatives to justify why we drive the cars we drive........isn't that how it goes?

Your completely right. And I've noticed, even with myself, it's crazy, BMW people and Audi/VW people have more hate for each other's marque than BMW peeps have for japanese cars, lol.

[kendogg]

But why should we have to justify why we drive the cars we drive?

IDK?? I have to justify it to myself at least. I guess you have to be able to justify your own decisions in your own mind. umm. yeah, idk where the fcuk I was going wiht that, lol. Sorry.

[man]

IDK?? I have to justify it to myself at least. I guess you have to be able to justify your own decisions in your own mind. umm. yeah, idk where the fcuk I was going wiht that, lol. Sorry.

Haha, justifying it to yourself is fine, but why should anyone give a damn what someone else thinks?

[kendogg]

Haha, justifying it to yourself is fine, but why should anyone give a damn what someone else thinks?

IDK. Hell, I owned 2 E28's (80's 5 series BMW's), and let me tell you, NOBODY shows you any love for them except for that hard-core BMW enthusiets. I'd get asked all the time 'why do you drive such an old boxy bmw???'

[man]

IDK. Hell, I owned 2 E28's (80's 5 series BMW's), and let me tell you, NOBODY shows you any love for them except for that hard-core BMW enthusiets. I'd get asked all the time 'why do you drive such an old boxy bmw???'

Same with me man, no one know's what my car is and no one understands why I love it so much. To everyone else it's just an old POS Mazda.

[Ran]

I'd get asked all the time 'why do you drive such an old boxy bmw???'Easy to answer...

Old Boxy BMW > Chris Bangle Turdheap

[1SICKLEX]

You would be surprised, I browse Ferrarichat.com and there were a couple M3 and Porsche (not trying to single them out, but they were from a bmw site) guys on there mocking the Ferrari guys. I just don't understand it, I love all cars and have great respect for them. It's just a mystery to me why others, especially the older, wealthier crowd, can't do the same as a kid in his early 20s, I would think it would be the opposite.
I am also on Ferrarichat...hell the O.G Ferrari guys hate people who modify their Ferraris.....

[d993s]

Your completely right. And I've noticed, even with myself, it's crazy, BMW people and Audi/VW people have more hate for each other's marque than BMW peeps have for japanese cars, lol.

Well DUH!

It's like Toyota or Mitsu vs Honda (Audi or VW vs BMW).

I don't hate; I like all the specialty German cars (and even a few Japanese cars, Nissan mostly).

[kendogg]

Same with me man, no one know's what my car is and no one understands why I love it so much. To everyone else it's just an old POS Mazda.

What do you drive? And meh, the E28's are alright. I don't think I'd buy another unless I could pony up $4k+for a mint perfect one. If maintenence has been neglected, omfg they'll break you, lol. They aren't like a 3 series, where the maintenence is at least minimal. Figure every 80k, front end needs to be completely rebuilt, same with front and rear suspension, every 60k whole cooling system needs a rebuild, crazy thigns can come out of left field if the car wasn't maintained or hacked together previous. My 533i for example. Previous owner chopped the cats out, and didn't even put the O2 sensor back!!! I mean, it ran fine without it, I even got 33 mpg with that brick on the highway, but ya know..... Stereo has to be 100% rewired to put anything aftermarket it, cause the old stock stuff used a common ground setup, god damn, I could go on and on, lol.

Buy a BMW - stick to E30's, E34's, and if you wanna just daily maybe a E36 if you can afford it, or a track car, an M. I can't afford to maintain any other BMW, those are the most relaiable for a regular odl working person. OTOH, an M5 of any body style would pwn, again, if I could afford the maintenence. The M5 was made for those who could afford them, and those who could afford them ONLY. The S38 inline 6 is a $15k+ rebuild top to bottom, with just stock parts.

[d993s]

But why should we have to justify why we drive the cars we drive?

Well obviously that's what were doing with these stupid arguments. Are we not?

[kendogg]

I am also on Ferrarichat...hell the O.G Ferrari guys hate people who modify their Ferraris.....

Damn, really? I can understand that though.

I'm kinda a purist, in some ways, depenmds on the car. I definitely try to discourage people from removing S14's from E30 M3's and replacing them with S52's. Original E30 M3's are getting rarer and rarer, if you wnat somethjign fast, you can build an E30 M3 'look-alike' from a regular E30 just as cheaply. Then swap wtfever motor you want in there. Just stop hacking up all the damn E30 M3's, PLEASE!!!

[kendogg]

Easy to answer...

Old Boxy BMW > Chris Bangle Turdheap

Couldn't have said it better myself. Although, other than a ton of E36's, and a efw E46's, I've enver actuall;y driven a Bangle turd heap. Yes, Mr. Bangle was quite involved with the design of the E36, he just wasn't head of design yet. I think thats party why that car falls apart pre-maturely around the drivetrain.

[man]

What do you drive?

87 RX-7 Turbo.

[man]

Damn, really? I can understand that though.

I'm kinda a purist, in some ways, depenmds on the car. I definitely try to discourage people from removing S14's from E30 M3's and replacing them with S52's. Original E30 M3's are getting rarer and rarer, if you wnat somethjign fast, you can build an E30 M3 'look-alike' from a regular E30 just as cheaply. Then swap wtfever motor you want in there. Just stop hacking up all the damn E30 M3's, PLEASE!!!

I saw an e30 m3 abandoned on the side 85S one morning going to school and I almost cried. I hope the owner got it out of there ok.

[kendogg]

I saw an e30 m3 abandoned on the side 85S one morning going to school and I almost cried. I hope the owner got it out of there ok.

Was it red by chance? with chrome wheels?

[d993s]

Was it red by chance? with chrome wheels?

If a e30 M3 had chrome wheels on it, then it deserved to be broken down.

[©hris]

Mercedes ftw!

[kendogg]

If a e30 M3 had chrome wheels on it, then it deserved to be broken down.


HAHAHA. Yeah, there is a red E30 M3 with chrome 17" ASA's on it that I know of.

[1SICKLEX]

Damn, really? I can understand that though.

I'm kinda a purist, in some ways, depenmds on the car. I definitely try to discourage people from removing S14's from E30 M3's and replacing them with S52's. Original E30 M3's are getting rarer and rarer, if you wnat somethjign fast, you can build an E30 M3 'look-alike' from a regular E30 just as cheaply. Then swap wtfever motor you want in there. Just stop hacking up all the damn E30 M3's, PLEASE!!!
Ferrari has a very storied history. Most owners prefer a stock Ferrari as to them, that is the "pure" way to own it. Just maintain, don't touch, the factory knows best.

That is why many guys that are into modding buy a Lambo or Porsche b/c modding a Ferrari many times is frowned upon by the "establishment".

Lambo and Porsche owners mod like crazy and are much more open armed to those to modify.

[kendogg]

Ferrari has a very storied history. Most owners prefer a stock Ferrari as to them, that is the "pure" way to own it. Just maintain, don't touch, the factory knows best.

That is why many guys that are into modding buy a Lambo or Porsche b/c modding a Ferrari many times is frowned upon by the "establishment".

Lambo and Porsche owners mod like crazy and are much more open armed to those to modify.

INteresting. I'd love to own either an old 911 someday, or the new, oh god, what is it, the Caymen is it called? I think thats it. That car pwns. Only in a coupe of course.

[1SICKLEX]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Although, other than a ton of E36's, and a efw E46's, I've enver actuall;y driven a Bangle turd heap. Yes, Mr. Bangle was quite involved with the design of the E36, he just wasn't head of design yet. I think thats party why that car falls apart pre-maturely around the drivetrain.
Bangle is the designer, he has nothing to do with the engineering aspect.
While BMWs do use tons of plastic parts (hell the new 335 has plastic front FENDERS, lol), the reason for it is it keeps weight distribution at or near 50/50 for optimal balance.

Little known fact...the head designer for BMW MURDERED his son, clearly he lost his job when he went to jail. HE designed the 1980s and influenced the mid 1990s BMWs....

If he hadn't done that, Bangle would probably not be the head of design. (I also love the older BMW looks, I cannot quite get the new ones design)

[kendogg]

Bangle is the designer, he has nothing to do with the engineering aspect.
While BMWs do use tons of plastic parts (hell the new 335 has plastic front FENDERS, lol), the reason for it is it keeps weight distribution at or near 50/50 for optimal balance.

Little known fact...the head designer for BMW MURDERED his son, clearly he lost his job when he went to jail. HE designed the 1980s and influenced the mid 1990s BMWs....

If he hadn't done that, Bangle would probably not be the head of design. (I also love the older BMW looks, I cannot quite get the new ones design)

OH damn. Now THAt isn't in the 3 Series Enthusiasts companion now, is it, lmfoa? Where can I find more info on this?

And I know Bangle doens't ahve anything to do with the engineering side of thigns, I was just joking.

[1SICKLEX]

And they always will be. But what none of the bmw guys seem to understand is that not everyone wants a super sporty car. Some people like the extra comfort and longevity that can't be provided by a high-performance car
Great post!!!! Even with mods a Lexus will just be hard pressed to match the steering and overall feel of a BMW. I've driven tons of both brands and you can make a Lexus handle even or better than a BMW but the "feel" is just not there, IMO.
I even swapped out my steering ECU in my old GS 400 for the "L-tuned" one, (it was Euro spec) and while heavier it was not the same as a 540.

[1SICKLEX]

OH damn. Now THAt isn't in the 3 Series Enthusiasts companion now, is it, lmfoa? Where can I find more info on this?

And I know Bangle doens't ahve anything to do with the engineering side of thigns, I was just joking.
I tried googling it before but could not find nothing. I read it in an issue of "EVO" and also in an issue of "EuroTuner" (I think that is the name of it).

[kendogg]

I tried googling it before but could not find nothing. I read it in an issue of "EVO" and also in an issue of "EuroTuner" (I think that is the name of it).

Any idea the guys name by chance? If I can figure out the name,or even teh guys exact title, I'm sure I could find smoe info on him. If I could find his title, I could find his name by that.

[1SICKLEX]

Any idea the guys name by chance? If I can figure out the name,or even teh guys exact title, I'm sure I could find smoe info on him. If I could find his title, I could find his name by that.
Let me look tonight...its gonna take a minute (tons of mags)

[man]

Was it red by chance? with chrome wheels?
No, white.

[Jaimecbr900]

You are the best example of misinformed.

I'll bite, since you wanted to just gloss over my question to you. Guess you couldn't answer them.

How many BMW's, Lexus, MB, Infiniti, or Acura's have YOU personally owned and driven?

Let me guess...... :rolleyes:


You are solely google and consumer reports-informed,

Really? I was a mechanic for 6 yrs and I've owned atleast 1 of every make, i.e. Lexus, Nissan, Infiniti, MB, etc., being thrown around here, except for a BMW....although I've driven many, many before and not just around the block with a salesman either.

Unlike YOU, I've worked on BMW, MB, Nissan, Infiniti, Lexus, etc.

So, anytime you wanna match experience levels on cars with me, let's go for it. I posted REAL links to reviews done by someone else. If you wanna whine about it, you too can sit in the corner and rub one off with DinanM3. Be my guest. Don't shoot the messanger if you don't like the message.




besides not getting head at the BMW dealer (sure it happens a lot at Lexus though) and CR are the most retardedly biased SOBs I've ever seen.
Don't make me repeat myself.

Repeat yourself? What are you now, Mr. All knowing authority on reviews???

How many cars have you even owned in your life yourself? :rolleyes:

I was just at the shop this afternoon. Totally unprovoked or even mentioned, a previous 540 owner who used to swear his 540 was THE shit said and I quote, "...BMW's are nice to look at, but I certainly wouldn't call them RELIABLE...." He OWNS a shop, is the HEAD mechanic, and RACES cars. As long as I've known him he's owned domestics and imports, changing them out all the damn time. Everything from Hummers to Dodge Dually to S2000 to BMW to Lexus. So I think he probably would be a good one to ask about BMW, and he said exactly what I quoted above.

Again, yall wanna defend a guy who's a pompous jerk about coming into a thread that had NOTHING to do with BMW and turning into one.....be my guest. That's just par for the course for you guys. :rolleyes:

[sina518]

all you bmw fucks go kill your self you make me embarrassed to say i drive a bmw keep your bull shit opinions to yourself or take them to bimmerfourms. your out numbered here you will not win the battel. everyone likes something differnt and all you ppl on here that think your the shit cause you drive a bmw. half you idiots dont even know how to drive the so called ultimate driving machine. the only person on this site i have respect for that drives a bimmer is nextelbuddy. japanese cars ae more reliable anyways. and yes i do drive a bmw, its an okay car, g35 coupe was much faster.

ok im done

[kendogg]

all you bmw fucks go kill your self you make me embarrassed to say i drive a bmw keep your bull shit opinions to yourself or take them to bimmerfourms. your out numbered here you will not win the battel. everyone likes something differnt and all you ppl on here that think your the shit cause you drive a bmw. half you idiots dont even know how to drive the so called ultimate driving machine. the only person on this site i have respect for that drives a bimmer is nextelbuddy. japanese cars ae more reliable anyways. and yes i do drive a bmw, its an okay car, g35 coupe was much faster.

ok im done

Umm, yeah. Go kill yourself ok, buddy? I drive an old-ass BMW, and I'll admit I'm not the greatest driver in the world, but at least I'll take my car to the fucking track to learn how to drive properly. Any idiot can straight-line drag race or do highway pulls. And PLEASE find me a 300k mile car thats more reliable than an E30, please? At 300k, if taken car of, all the elctricals wills till wrk, motor and tranny should still be original, etc. I know of plenty of good lookign E30's with 300k+ on them, and there is one guy in chicago with over 400k on his, he replaced the head and did 2 clutch jobs. Thats it. So GTFO with your bullshit.

[sina518]

i belive your car has 300k on it but most of the parts on it are fairley new i bet. remember dip shit i said half not all. i have respect for everyone on this fourm weather they drive a ferrari, bmw or a civic. dont come out here and act like every other car suck and yours is the shit because its german. once again im not refering that to you just making a statement.

[kendogg]

i belive your car has 300k on it but most of the parts on it are fairley new i bet. remember dip shit i said half not all. i have respect for everyone on this fourm weather they drive a ferrari, bmw or a civic. dont come out here and act like every other car suck and yours is the shit because its german. once again im not refering that to you just making a statement.

Wow. I think we got over this like, 5 pages ago, but here we go again.

My car has about 140k on it, I bought it with a half-started motor swap, from an eta (early E30) to an i motor (late E30). And no, 90% of my car looks to be original. AFAIK, most of my friends higher-mielage BMW's have most everything original, except for the normal wear items, breaks, suspension, bushings, etc. Why don't YOU stop talking out of your ass, ok? I've stopped bitching, and fighting here. Why the fuck are you starting shit again? You obviously know nothing about BMW's, or you'd know that a 300k E30 can and will retian a good majority of OEM parts still.

And you say half? Half what? In your post, you said ALL you BMW fucks go kill yoursleves, as quoted here:



all you bmw fucks go kill your self

[man]

God, I thought that I had finally brought an end to this BS...

[~The_Duke~]

Does it really matter... one person likes one kind of car, the other one doesnt but likes another kind of car. Arent we all glad they make different kinds of cars...

[man]

Does it really matter... one person likes one kind of car, the other one doesnt but likes another kind of car. Arent we all glad they make different kinds of cars...

Repost motherbitch, lol

[~The_Duke~]

Repost motherbitch, lol

Well it is kind of like house training a puppy...the puppy has to shit on the floor a couple times before it will get the point across that hey I am not supposed to shit on the floor. So the puppy must have its nose rubbed in shit many times.

Well you are going to have beat these people in the head with that statement over and over again before they get the point...

[man]

Well it is kind of like house training a puppy...the puppy has to shit on the floor a couple times before it will get the point across that hey I am not supposed to shit on the floor. So the puppy must have its nose rubbed in shit many times.

Well you are going to have beat these people in the head with that statement over and over again before they get the point...

http://www.petmeister.com/Labrador_Puppy.jpg

[kendogg]

Guys, I got the point. I wasn't the one comming back and starting the shi talking again.

[man]

Guys, I got the point. I wasn't the one comming back and starting the shi talking again.

I'm talking about this sina person, not you. You're ok in my book

[kendogg]

I'm talking about this sina person, not you. You're ok in my book

OH, word. THanks. Sorry for wiggin out, lol.

[man]

OH, word. THanks. Sorry for wiggin out, lol.

No problem, I understand your confusion. Time for bed, gotta wake up at 5:30. :(

[1SICKLEX]

Thread title should now read BMW owner vs BMW owner, lol

[Jaimecbr900]

This thread should be locked now. It's run it's course. Now, it's dead horse territory.

[ShooterMcGavin]

Your completely right. And I've noticed, even with myself, it's crazy, BMW people and Audi/VW people have more hate for each other's marque than BMW peeps have for japanese cars, lol.

speak for yourself man, i love all cars pretty much equally, regardless of what i drive. i think being a snob about what kind of car you drive vs other cars and their owners is retarded and :gay:

[The Yousef]

This thread should be locked now. It's run it's course. Now, it's dead horse territory.

agreed.

:locked:

[Hulud]

why??????????????????????

noooooooooooooooooooo


lol