Man Sentenced to Life...

[ALVIN]

Some of yall follow the news so you have probably heard of a Bosnian man sentenced to life in prison in Muskogee(sp) County. He is one of my parents friends and well I just wanted to get your guys' opinion on if giving him life was a right thing to do.

First of all, he had two police officers who were at the scene testify in his defense.

He was working at a construction site and carried a gun on himself at all times. a group of Mexicans(sorry to use the word in a harsh way, but thats what they were) jumped him and started beating him. One had a knife and threatened to kill him. He shot one that was on top of him and the guy that got shot was sent to the hospital. He died at the hospital, and so the bosnian dude got charged with murder even though he was also in the hospital for being beat up and he was pretty messed up also.

So I just wanted to know if yall think it was right for the judge to give him life in prison for self-defense.

[Master Shake]

did he have a concealed weapons license?

[ALVIN]

Yea he did, and he was in his 40s with a perfect record.

[gijoe0720]

thats some bullshit. he was just defendin himself from the way you said it happened.

[Bishop]

if i was at the trial and the evidence proved to me that it was purely in self defense then i think the other hispanics should of been shot and your friend should of gotten a medal

[Master Shake]

Yea he did, and he was in his 40s with a perfect record.


man fuck that shit. i would've shot the mexican/hispanic guy too.
possibly more than once if he came after me with a knife.

maybe if a enough people petition this it could go back to court. but if the verdict comes back the same then well, that sucks.

[ALVIN]

i mean even the cops that came to the scene that took reports and everything testified in defense(sp) for him. And the judge still made the bullshit call.

I remember this because my parents went and saw him at the hospital when he was recovering from the attack.

[Wurm]

man thats bullshit. you can't even protect your self anymore

[ALVIN]

for real like robbers sueing families because he/she broke his hand or cut himself breaking into the home. Stuff like this doesnt make sence(sp), at least not to me.

[~The_Duke~]

I think that he should be let out because it was in self-defense. They jumped him, he shot one, end of story the rest of the group should be thrown in jail for attempted murder. It was prolly because of the whole Minory thing sorry to say.

[AE86 Dorifto]

That's total bullshit, dude. I mean what kind of idiot made that call? What would the judge have done if he was in that situation?

[~The_Duke~]

That's total bullshit, dude. I mean what kind of idiot made that call? What would the judge have done if he was in that situation?

...shot all of them...

[ALVIN]

it is muskogee county probably the only thing that has happened there in years. this was on topix.net like a week ago that had the newpaper clip i believe.

[~The_Duke~]

it is muskogee county probably the only thing that has happened there in years. this was on topix.net like a week ago that had the newpaper clip i believe.

Are the planning on doing an appeal to another court yet? I hate when this type shit happens. Self-defense is Self-defense.

The dude that got shot and died his buddies prolly got up there and lied about what happened. Our court system is seriously fucked up...

[2.3 Evo 8]

If you shoot them more than once, its considered "against" the law. You are suppose to shoot to "stop", not kill. ie..leg, arm, foot, knee, etc....

You can shoot them one time to stop them from hurting you, its ok to protect yourself, but they also want you to be responsible when doing so.

1 shot=ok

2 or more shots= murder

Personally, If someone pulls a knife on you or any weapon for that matter you should be able to shoot them in self defense. If they keep coming towards you after you put one in them, then you shoot to kill.

I don't know the full story so I can't comment on what happened here. There are always three sides to every story, one being the truth.

[SE-Romeo]

If you shoot someone in self defense and wound them, dont theystill have the opportunity to sue you? even if it was self defense?

I think the jude made a bullshit call on this one. Sucks if you ask me, any chance for an apeal?

[ironchef]

Were the mexicans illegals or no?

[2.3 Evo 8]

If you shoot someone in self defense and wound them, dont theystill have the opportunity to sue you? even if it was self defense?

No, if they pursue you to do bodily harm and you wound them trying to save your own life, they can't do shit.




I think the jude made a bullshit call on this one. Sucks if you ask me, any chance for an apeal?

Depends on if he kept firing or stopped after the first shot. Most people have adrenaline+scared and keep pulling the trigger even after the first bullet hits. That is where they go wrong.

I am "guessing" that is what happened in this case. The law sucks, but if you carry a weapon you should know every law that is on the books to pretect yourself in a situation similar to this.

[DC2NR]

i heard that you can't shoot anyone unless they shoot at you first .. yeah kinda stupid i know .. but i'm not too sure .. s'all i heard

[2.3 Evo 8]

i heard that you can't shoot anyone unless they shoot at you first .. yeah kinda stupid i know .. but i'm not too sure .. s'all i heard

False! If someone is threatening your "life" as in kill you, it doesn't matter if they have a bat, knife, or gun. You have the right to protect yourself or your family.

If they come at you with a machete, are you going to wait for them to shoot?

[DC2NR]

but anywho .. i think its wrong .. the government is just screwed up

[2.3 Evo 8]

Welcome to America...Land of the "free", and more laws on the books than any other country.

[DC2NR]

:goodjob:

[Sibious]

damn that sucks, did he opil yet?

[The Golden Child]

wtf i dont think dahs right ..
how you gunna give him life for self defense ..

[TIGERJC]

who the fuck is his lawyer????? Always have a trial with a jury. He shouldnt have to go to jail for anything, he was protecting himself in my book.

[ahmonrah]

Were the mexicans illegals or no?
that doesnt matter.

if dude was right (the shooter) in defense of himself, then the judge was a complete asshole for giving a man life for defending himself. but the only thing that made it sticky was the fact that the man(shooter) had a gun on him at his place of employment. which in itself is a minor offense, but you always shoot to stop. it doesnt matter where you put the bullet (unless it's a head shot,then it's murder) 'cause soon as you shoot, that bullet strikes flesh and someone will lose 99% of the fight in them, they may stop.
dude may have got the murder rap if he gave dude a head shot.

[ahmonrah]

i heard that you can't shoot anyone unless they shoot at you first .. yeah kinda stupid i know .. but i'm not too sure .. s'all i heardthat's one of the us military's rules of engagement.
in the civilian world, it's if you feel your life is in danger, you have the right to defend yourself by whatever means that you have.

[AE86 Dorifto]

Anyone remeber that cop that shot a guy because he was holding a shotgun? That guy didn't even shoot at the cop and the cop still has the right to shoot him and he got honored for it. A guy is getting the shit beat out of him so he shoots and gets life. What the fuck is that shit about, man? I think there is some favoritism going on here.

[civic95]

Honestly it sounds like we are not getting all the facts. I just can't see how anyone would punish self defense.

Anywho, the moral of the story is........ If your attacked by a group of people with a knife, kill them all, and bury them instead of calling the cops.

[Kalifornia087]

OMG that is some real Bullshit. How are we supposed to defend ourselves anymore!?

[2.3 Evo 8]

Honestly it sounds like we are not getting all the facts. I just can't see how anyone would punish self defense.

Anywho, the moral of the story is........ If your attacked by a group of people with a knife, kill them all, and bury them instead of calling the cops.

+1 for each point! I like your idea much better.

[SniperJoe]

If you shoot them more than once, its considered "against" the law. You are suppose to shoot to "stop", not kill. ie..leg, arm, foot, knee, etc....

You can shoot them one time to stop them from hurting you, its ok to protect yourself, but they also want you to be responsible when doing so.

1 shot=ok

2 or more shots= murder

Personally, If someone pulls a knife on you or any weapon for that matter you should be able to shoot them in self defense. If they keep coming towards you after you put one in them, then you shoot to kill.

I don't know the full story so I can't comment on what happened here. There are always three sides to every story, one being the truth.

That isn't neccessarily true. It isn't automatically murder if you shoot them more than once. If someone is coming at me with a knife and I shoot them once and they keep coming, you can get bet your ass that I'm going to keep shooting (granted, I wouldn't shoot once and pause). Now, the flip side to that is that if you shoot at them once and they start running away, you can't shoot them in the back as they flee. You can do what is neccessary to defend yourself against the threat and if that entails shooting more than once, you are in the clear.

[2.3 Evo 8]

I guess when I typed that I should have been a little more specific. You can shoot them more than once if they continue after you, but if you shoot them multiple times and don't give them a chance to stop, its murder. You can't just cap them for coming at you.

If you tell a cop you shot someone rapid fire, your in trouble!

Your best bet is to shoot them once and see if they stop, if they do call the po po. If they don't stop, shoot them again in the other knee and see if that stops them.

The law says you are to try and "stop" them with one shot by wounding them, but if they continue to pursue you then you can continue firing. Ask any cop or read the law. I was given some nice literature to read when I got my CW permit.

Either way, we don't know the full story here so I won't assume this guy did this or that.

[AznTraitor]

wow, he really, really, really had a shitty ass lawyer.


IF it happened just as you explained...it's pretty cut and dry that he was defending himself. Regardless if the attacker was killed or not because a good lawyer to argue the fact that he was on his backside and wrestling the man and had to get a shot off in order to save his own life.

I think there is more to story and we are just getting a biased story.

[tony]

Your friend needs to appeal and hire a new lawyer


COLUMBUS, GA (AP) -- A Bosnian War refugee has been given a life sentence for murdering a Mexican immigrant at a Columbus construction site in 2004.

Ekrem Jakupovic, 43, was convicted Wednesday in Muscogee County Superior Court of murdering 38-year-old Alfredo Sanchez on Sept. 11, 2004, at Columbus Park Crossing.

Judge Bobby Peters handed down a life sentence, the mandatory sentence for murder in Georgia. Jakupovic was also given a separate 20-year sentence for shooting and wounding Sanchez' brother Juan during the same incident.

Jakupovic, founder of a Lilburn, Ga., construction company, came to the U.S. 11 years ago from Bosnia and was able to bring five brothers to this country. Like Jakupovic, Sanchez was an immigrant. He came to Covington, Ga., from Mexico and owned a welding business that employed several of his brothers.

Jakupovic shot Sanchez to death on the roof of a building, witnesses said. According to testimony, the two men got into a dispute on the ground when Sanchez asked Jakupovic to move construction materials on the roof. The lumber was near the spot that Sanchez and his crew needed to weld to finish the job.

"This is unfortunate," Peters said. "You have two individuals who came to this country from foreign lands. Both men worked hard to build their own companies. Then you had this happen over $600 to $800 worth of lumber."

[AznTraitor]

thanks to Tony for finding the story. +1 for you.


Shot on the roof? because the movement of some lumber? sounds like someone didnt want to do it and they ordered each other around until it got violent.

[babygurl]

That is bullshit, and honestly sounds like the jury was racists. Honestly best thing is to try and appeal it, and have the trial moved to a different county, based on racism. And honestly you can do that. Just takes alot of money, and time.

[ShooterMcGavin]

for real like robbers sueing families because he/she broke his hand or cut himself breaking into the home. Stuff like this doesnt make sence(sp), at least not to me.

yeah that's bullshit, that's one if someone is robbing my home, he ain't gonna be around to sue...

[ShooterMcGavin]

that's one of the us military's rules of engagement.
in the civilian world, it's if you feel your life is in danger, you have the right to defend yourself by whatever means that you have.

i believe we've brought this up in the thread about that guy at barrett gettin his ass kicked but GA is still trying to pass the "stand your ground" law, which would make things really interesting as far as when u feel like u might be in danger and being able to lawfully act in a way as to protect urself (or even others).

[civic95]

COLUMBUS, GA (AP) -- A Bosnian War refugee has been given a life sentence for murdering a Mexican immigrant at a Columbus construction site in 2004.

Ekrem Jakupovic, 43, was convicted Wednesday in Muscogee County Superior Court of murdering 38-year-old Alfredo Sanchez on Sept. 11, 2004, at Columbus Park Crossing.

Judge Bobby Peters handed down a life sentence, the mandatory sentence for murder in Georgia. Jakupovic was also given a separate 20-year sentence for shooting and wounding Sanchez' brother Juan during the same incident.

Jakupovic, founder of a Lilburn, Ga., construction company, came to the U.S. 11 years ago from Bosnia and was able to bring five brothers to this country. Like Jakupovic, Sanchez was an immigrant. He came to Covington, Ga., from Mexico and owned a welding business that employed several of his brothers.

Jakupovic shot Sanchez to death on the roof of a building, witnesses said. According to testimony, the two men got into a dispute on the ground when Sanchez asked Jakupovic to move construction materials on the roof. The lumber was near the spot that Sanchez and his crew needed to weld to finish the job.

"This is unfortunate," Peters said. "You have two individuals who came to this country from foreign lands. Both men worked hard to build their own companies. Then you had this happen over $600 to $800 worth of lumber."

See, thats a little different than your story. Not saying this is totally accurate either. Either way, what a waste of life, not to mention tax dollars.

[ALVIN]

Thanks Tony for finding that story. But yea I don't think all of that story is completely true. if it was a dispute like that then Sanchez would have died and The Bosnian wouldn't have gotten hurt. I know from what my parents told me that he shot without looking while they were beating him up and Sanchez died in the hospital. I mean either way he will need to appeal this and I think the Bosnian community will help him do so, but it is a waste of tax payers dollar.

He now has a Life sentence (dunno how many years that is) and a 20 year to boot. I am pretty sure in all that time that this will get appealed just do not know yet.

But again thanks Tony for finding this.

[B16a2 Civic]

i live in that county, thats sum bullshit.

[tony]

That is bullshit, and honestly sounds like the jury was racists. Honestly best thing is to try and appeal it, and have the trial moved to a different county, based on racism. And honestly you can do that. Just takes alot of money, and time.

They're both minorities :confused: Where is the racism? All 12 jurors (in a county where there is a high minority population) were racist?

[{X}Echo419]

They're both minorities :confused: Where is the racism? All 12 jurors (in a county where there is a high minority population) were racist?

maybe but he's still "White" to certian types