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[Jdm94Coupe]

Yeah, internal struggles too. The coaching is just REALLY bad, im sorry, but Brooks has got to go

Not just coaching. Don't ignore what's clear.......

[Jdm94Coupe]

While I agree with all your statements, and I believe CP3 will be a 1st ballot HOFer, you just reinforced my point. Hes not THE GUY to win you a championship. He is what he is, hes had MORE TALENT around him than most and he still cant get to the conference finals. Now its EXTREMELY hard to get there, but , not grasping the defensive schemes? Not grasping the coaches plays?

Cmon, excuses. Cp3 is this elite PG then its not a question of mastering the playbook.

How many situations is CP3 going to be put in (and doesnt win) until we start saying hes a GREAT player, but hes not a superstar. PG is the QB of basketball. You get all the blame, and all the praise. So far, with CP3, I do not think hes a GAME CHANGER. I think hes a great player, but I still rank WB and TP ahead of him

Come on man, it makes NO sense how you guys blame TEAM losses on individual players! Basketball is a great sport and one of the best in the world, mainly because of how each of the 5 players on the court tend to have a major factor on how their team plays and their identity.......



I 100% blame cp3 on the end of game 5's loss. Why? Because his role on his team is a clutch game manager, floor general, and one of the best on ball defenders in the NBA. He ended the game on the worst stretch in his NBA career. BUT, that doesn't take away from the amazing PG play for the first 46:30 of Game 5.


Now look at the scoring offensively. We averaged more than 105 a game. The reason we lost to OKC was our defense. Simple to grasp? You would think. This is a team that is building to contend for the next 4-5+ years. The first year with a new coach and new players doesn't automatically define your career....

And I'm going to be honest..... I'm now starting to believe between skip bayless's words and what you say. Its leading me to believe you haven't been following the NBA closely enough in the years CP3 was in N.O. and I understand that, west coast games come on too late and N.O. wasn't a hot ESPN, TNT, or NBA TV team then..... but I'm here to let you know.... this is the best team he has ever had, best coach he has ever had...... and now a season under his belt with doc. Next year won't be the same man......



Nowhere.

Why would any team give up anything to get someone they can sign in a year anyway? The only team that would would be someone like Boston and Phoenix who have like 20 draft picks the next 3 years. Or the lakers who are in a WIN NOW mode because Kobe is getting old.

he's gonna go to a team he wants to play for, you don't think these teams arent talking to love directly?


Nobody is gonna trade for Love, he will be a FA. I would imagine he wants out of the noman's land that is the timberwolves

he will be gone before melo signs......


Its d12 all over again.

yea but he will be gone faster.....


Stick a fork in Okc.

agreed. they are done....... no team work whats so ever.....

[Vteckidd]

Not just coaching. Don't ignore what's clear.......

What else could it be?

RW is a superstar, hes probably the most dynamic guard in the league, but they need someone to control him. Someone to tell him.............well Barkley said it best last night

"At some point in his career, RW is going to have to learn to play the Point Guard position".

1000000% correct. OKC needs RW to get other people involved FIRST and look for his points SECOND. He needs more CP3, and CP3 needs more RW. Last night literally they tried to make up a 14 point deficit with brick 3 after brick 3 and then it was too late. They did the exact OPPOSITE of what you do in a game like that. You GRIND SAS down, you get 2s and play defense then hope the 3s come later. They didnt do that, it was literally 3 after 3 after 3 (brick brick)

Missing Ibaka, they have no inside presence. If the Clippers face THIS OKC team, they would prob have won without any Ibaka (who played really great defense on BG).

Brooks is to blame here IMO

[Jdm94Coupe]

BTW..... Do you see how duncan/splitter guard the pick and roll on Durant....... If blake,DJ played defense the same way, that series wouldve been completely different.....

BTW.... okc will never be the same as they were in 2012 without james harden......

Im not sure you guys REMEMBER how much better the old okc TEAM was then..... they FUCKED UP BAD not paying harden and paying the tax on top!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMxpR5pxZow

[Vteckidd]

Come on man, it makes NO sense how you guys blame TEAM losses on individual players! Basketball is a great sport and one of the best in the world, mainly because of how each of the 5 players on the court tend to have a major factor on how their team plays and their identity.......



I 100% blame cp3 on the end of game 5's loss. Why? Because his role on his team is a clutch game manager, floor general, and one of the best on ball defenders in the NBA. He ended the game on the worst stretch in his NBA career. BUT, that doesn't take away from the amazing PG play for the first 46:30 of Game 5.

hes an amazing PG, hes just not a superstar IMO.



Now look at the scoring offensively. We averaged more than 105 a game. The reason we lost to OKC was our defense. Simple to grasp? You would think. This is a team that is building to contend for the next 4-5+ years. The first year with a new coach and new players doesn't automatically define your career....

10 years is long enough to define a career yes, and up to this point, hes not even Allen Iverson, hes not Stockton. They got to the FINALS with LESS Talent.


And I'm going to be honest..... I'm now starting to believe between skip bayless's words and what you say. Its leading me to believe you haven't been following the NBA closely enough in the years CP3 was in N.O. and I understand that, west coast games come on too late and N.O. wasn't a hot ESPN, TNT, or NBA TV team then..... but I'm here to let you know.... this is the best team he has ever had, best coach he has ever had...... and now a season under his belt with doc. Next year won't be the same man......

Every year you say that. NEXT YEAR MAN! Then they lose in the 2nd round and its "the coach, our defense, our laundry wasnt done right"

And, i think its funny you resort to "you must not watch games" argument. Its what people do when they dont want to face reality, they insult your intelligence by insinuating that somehow im a fly by night NBA fan that doesnt understand the game. Please, lets stop that. Its nonsense.

Until CP3 can get to a Conference finals, Im just not IMPRESSED.



he's gonna go to a team he wants to play for, you don't think these teams arent talking to love directly?
Of course they are, but Love doesnt control what MGMT is willing to give up to let him go. Any team that love says I WANT TO PLAY FOR YOU, is going to tell him "WAIT A YEAR AND WE DONT HAVE TO GUT OUR TEAM TO GET YOU"

Love holds all the leverage. Now, Boston or PHX might be willing to part with a pick to get him, but I doubt it.

[Jdm94Coupe]

What else could it be?

RW is a superstar, hes probably the most dynamic guard in the league, but they need someone to control him. Someone to tell him.............well Barkley said it best last night

"At some point in his career, RW is going to have to learn to play the Point Guard position".

1000000% correct. OKC needs RW to get other people involved FIRST and look for his points SECOND. He needs more CP3, and CP3 needs more RW. Last night literally they tried to make up a 14 point deficit with brick 3 after brick 3 and then it was too late. They did the exact OPPOSITE of what you do in a game like that. You GRIND SAS down, you get 2s and play defense then hope the 3s come later. They didnt do that, it was literally 3 after 3 after 3 (brick brick)

Missing Ibaka, they have no inside presence. If the Clippers face THIS OKC team, they would prob have won without any Ibaka (who played really great defense on BG).

Brooks is to blame here IMO

I agree about the RW and CP3 needing more of what the other does best. The difference is, cp3 began his career in N.O. looking TOO much for his shot too, him being a great floor general he always averaged 8-12+ APG either way.

The reason I felt we lost game 6.... one was BG's unwillingness to TAKE over when ibaka went down with the injury, AND Crawfords lack on contribution.

Overall I felt us losing the way we did, after getting a good team series win against GS, and all the sterling stuff on top of some identity issues as a complete TEAM, I think we put ourselves in position for a GREAT offseason and a GREAT season next year. They are young, there's A LOT of time left to win RINGS with THIS TEAM.

OKC is missing harden IMO, they won't get back to the finals without some more players being brought in.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Until CP3 can get to a Conference finals, Im just not IMPRESSED.

Well I guess thats where we differ. Either you won a championship or you didn't. All this getting to one more round than another team is fucking crazy IMO.

Looking at the teams he lost game 7's to and his stats in those games (which you couldn't have seen) ..... I can't define how great his total career is at this point in his career.....but remembering watching games/crazy moves/ and crazy series agaisnt all time great TEAMS, his N.O. team wasn't up to par, and DEFINITELY not after byron scott was wrongfully fired (another black coach fired after the teams great years)



lets sum up 2009-2011.... since people care to talk about the 9 years and crap like that.....


After a slow start to the 2009-10 season, the Hornets fired coach Byron Scott.[40] Paul stirred up controversy when he announced his displeasure with the move, commenting that team management should have "consulted with me and asked how I felt before it happened."[41] In early February, an MRI revealed a torn meniscus in Paul's left knee after it was tweaked in two consecutive games in late January.[42] The injury required surgery and he was sidelined for over a month, forcing him to miss the All-Star Game.[43][44] In total, he played in only 45 games and his averages dropped to 18.7 points, 3.8 rebounds, 10.7 assists, and 2.1 steals per game.[24] Without Paul, the Hornets struggled, missing the playoffs.[45]

Paul had another injury scare on March 6 of the 2010-11 season, suffering a concussion after colliding with Cavalier guard Ramon Sessions and being carried off the court in a stretcher.[46] He returned two games later, registering 33 points and 15 assists against the Sacramento Kings.[47] With Paul playing a full season, the Hornets qualified for the playoffs and were matched up with the defending champion Los Angeles Lakers in the first round.[48] Paul had a "historically great" performance in the series,[49] contributing 33 points, 14 assists, and 4 steals in Game 1 and 27 points, 13 rebounds, and 15 assists in Game 4.[50][51] His final averages were 22 points, 6.7 rebounds, 11.5 assists, and 1.8 steals per game on 54.5 percent shooting.[24] New Orleans were eliminated in six games,[48] and ownership, fearing that Paul would leave the franchise via free agency, began actively pursuing a trade that would provide the team equitable compensation in return for his services.

[Vteckidd]

I agree about the RW and CP3 needing more of what the other does best. The difference is, cp3 began his career in N.O. looking TOO much for his shot too, him being a great floor general he always averaged 8-12+ APG either way.

The reason I felt we lost game 6.... one was BG's unwillingness to TAKE over when ibaka went down with the injury, AND Crawfords lack on contribution.

Overall I felt us losing the way we did, after getting a good team series win against GS, and all the sterling stuff on top of some identity issues as a complete TEAM, I think we put ourselves in position for a GREAT offseason and a GREAT season next year. They are young, there's A LOT of time left to win RINGS with THIS TEAM.

OKC is missing harden IMO, they won't get back to the finals without some more players being brought in.

I agree with all those statements. But I would like to see much more fight in the Clippers, and much less flopping. More results.

[Vteckidd]

Well I guess thats where we differ. Either you won a championship or you didn't. All this getting to one more round than another team is fucking crazy IMO.

Looking at the teams he lost game 7's to and his stats in those games (which you couldn't have seen) ..... I can't define how great his total career is at this point in his career.....but remembering watching games/crazy moves/ and crazy series agaisnt all time great TEAMS, his N.O. team wasn't up to par, and DEFINITELY not after byron scott was wrongfully fired (another black coach fired after the teams great years)



lets sum up 2009-2011.... since people care to talk about the 9 years and crap like that.....


After a slow start to the 2009-10 season, the Hornets fired coach Byron Scott.[40] Paul stirred up controversy when he announced his displeasure with the move, commenting that team management should have "consulted with me and asked how I felt before it happened."[41] In early February, an MRI revealed a torn meniscus in Paul's left knee after it was tweaked in two consecutive games in late January.[42] The injury required surgery and he was sidelined for over a month, forcing him to miss the All-Star Game.[43][44] In total, he played in only 45 games and his averages dropped to 18.7 points, 3.8 rebounds, 10.7 assists, and 2.1 steals per game.[24] Without Paul, the Hornets struggled, missing the playoffs.[45]

Paul had another injury scare on March 6 of the 2010-11 season, suffering a concussion after colliding with Cavalier guard Ramon Sessions and being carried off the court in a stretcher.[46] He returned two games later, registering 33 points and 15 assists against the Sacramento Kings.[47] With Paul playing a full season, the Hornets qualified for the playoffs and were matched up with the defending champion Los Angeles Lakers in the first round.[48] Paul had a "historically great" performance in the series,[49] contributing 33 points, 14 assists, and 4 steals in Game 1 and 27 points, 13 rebounds, and 15 assists in Game 4.[50][51] His final averages were 22 points, 6.7 rebounds, 11.5 assists, and 1.8 steals per game on 54.5 percent shooting.[24] New Orleans were eliminated in six games,[48] and ownership, fearing that Paul would leave the franchise via free agency, began actively pursuing a trade that would provide the team equitable compensation in return for his services.

I base players on their accomplishments. CP3 has never been:

An MVP
Won a scoring Title
Won a RING

hell hes only lead the league 3 times in AST.


There are long lists of players who made the All Star Team, all NBA team, set records, etc, but NEVER got to the next level and did what it matters most WHEN it matters the most.

Tracy Mcgrady in his prime
Melo

Theres 2 that will probably make the HOF, but never did what it mattered to WIN. We can argue teams, coaches, blah blah blah but , while all that factors in, lets not act like we DONT hold individuals accountable in a TEAM sport. We ABSOLUTELY do, EVERY DAY.

[Jdm94Coupe]

side note: this wasnt a bad video.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCRUAjGap30

[Jdm94Coupe]

I base players on their accomplishments. CP3 has never been:

An MVP
Won a scoring Title
Won a RING

hell hes only lead the league 3 times in AST.

Okay, yea we 1000% differ. I look at the scoring title as a joke when you compare it to.......


being 10 years deep in the league and being 3rd in NBA history at 9.9 APG behind only Magic Johnson and John Stockton
being 10 years deep in the league and being 1st in NBA history with 5 Consecutive years leading the NBA in steals....

and

Only player in NBA history to lead the league in assists and steals in the same season on three different occasions
Only player in NBA history to lead the league in assists and steals in consecutive seasons



AS A LOT more than a scoring title. As far as i'm concerned..... if durant is a superstar, so is chris paul. if he's not then he isn't either. chris paul's career has just as much as durants..... he is no champion either....

[Vteckidd]

AS A LOT more than a scoring title. As far as i'm concerned..... if durant is a superstar, so is chris paul. if he's not then he isn't either. chris paul's career has just as much as durants..... he is no champion either....

Durant has won the MVP, Scoring Title, and been to the Finals. Hes been to the WCF THREE TIMES.

CP3 hasnt comes close to any of those accolades and hes had teams that were arguably DEEPER and MORE TALENTED( by your own arguments earlier this yer) than OKC.

Durant is vastly better than CP3, not even a question

If you are starting a team tomorrow, theres 2 players UNIVERSALLY picked, LBJ/Durant.

[Vteckidd]

being 10 years deep in the league and being 3rd in NBA history at 9.9 APG behind only Magic Johnson and John Stockton
being 10 years deep in the league and being 1st in NBA history with 5 Consecutive years leading the NBA in steals....

and

Only player in NBA history to lead the league in assists and steals in the same season on three different occasions
Only player in NBA history to lead the league in assists and steals in consecutive seasons

Nice stats, but stats no one will remember in 5 years, or 10 years, or 20 years.

Durant will always have a legacy.

[Vteckidd]

on a Lighter note LOLOL

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/05/22/a658c5ea6b12cd1022ca1442d51b8802.gif?1400785826

[Sinfix_15]

BTW..... Do you see how duncan/splitter guard the pick and roll on Durant....... If blake,DJ played defense the same way, that series wouldve been completely different.....

BTW.... okc will never be the same as they were in 2012 without james harden......

Im not sure you guys REMEMBER how much better the old okc TEAM was then..... they FUCKED UP BAD not paying harden and paying the tax on top!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMxpR5pxZow
Well blake cant hold duncans jock strap.......

Been tryin to tell ya son.

The spurs dont flip the switch till the time is right

You were saying the spurs were old washed up and done 2 years ago.... yet here we go again... big smooth and tp puttin in work

[Vteckidd]

TP and Tim Duncan are HOFers.

CP3 will be a HOFer IMO, Blake Griffin its too early to tell, hes on the right path, but I believe he will go down as a tracy Mcgrady/Shawn Kemp/Melo etc. GREAT individual players, nice stats. But lots of players like him in history

[Jdm94Coupe]

TP and Tim Duncan are HOFers.

CP3 will be a HOFer IMO, Blake Griffin its too early to tell, hes on the right path, but I believe he will go down as a tracy Mcgrady/Shawn Kemp/Melo etc. GREAT individual players, nice stats. But lots of players like him in history

The man is 24, wish people would just admit it..... He's gotten considerably better and looks to be going only up! I'm not sure there's been a BG before.....

Shawn kemp doesn't come close athletically, not many PF's can handle the ball like him.... His jump shot is coming and his defense is getting better too. If he gets better next year it's gonna be interesting to see how much better. Because this year from last year was night and day!

[Jdm94Coupe]

Well blake cant hold duncans jock strap.......

Been tryin to tell ya son.

The spurs dont flip the switch till the time is right

You were saying the spurs were old washed up and done 2 years ago.... yet here we go again... big smooth and tp puttin in work

Defensively, yes. But look at Duncan at the same age Blake is..... Not Duncan now..... Seems stupid to compare him with the best PF in nba history at the beginning of his career, too early for that.

I was speaking just on Duncan/splitters defense on the pick and roll, nothing else.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

Nice stats, but stats no one will remember in 5 years, or 10 years, or 20 years.

Durant will always have a legacy.

Legacy of what.... Being a great scorer.

Sorry, as of this moment..... Durant doesn't play defense and isn't the leader on his own team. He is what he is, a great scorer.

Definitely could never lead the nba in assists or steals, ever. He just shoots and scores the ball well. Doesn't impress me.......

There's been plenty of great scores too, Durant is just like McGrady if anybody is....

[Jdm94Coupe]

Durant has won the MVP, Scoring Title, and been to the Finals. Hes been to the WCF THREE TIMES.

CP3 hasnt comes close to any of those accolades and hes had teams that were arguably DEEPER and MORE TALENTED( by your own arguments earlier this yer) than OKC.

Durant is vastly better than CP3, not even a question

If you are starting a team tomorrow, theres 2 players UNIVERSALLY picked, LBJ/Durant.

Vastly a better scorer. I will agree. No other category I would take him over Paul. Except rebounding obviously.

Durant has no ring. Neither does Paul. Don't make a pass for Durant, he's no superstar either. No ring.....

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The man is 24, wish people would just admit it..... He's gotten considerably better and looks to be going only up! I'm not sure there's been a BG before.....

Shawn kemp doesn't come close athletically, not many PF's can handle the ball like him.... His jump shot is coming and his defense is getting better too. If he gets better next year it's gonna be interesting to see how much better. Because this year from last year was night and day!

Ummmmm.... which kemp are you remembering? The cavs kemp or the reign man from seattle? Because kemp was exactly what blake is.........

[Sinfix_15]

Legacy of what.... Being a great scorer.

Sorry, as of this moment..... Durant doesn't play defense and isn't the leader on his own team. He is what he is, a great scorer.

Definitely could never lead the nba in assists or steals, ever. He just shoots and scores the ball well. Doesn't impress me.......

There's been plenty of great scores too, Durant is just like McGrady if anybody is....

Sounds like your issues are with the culture of the sport.... scoring is everything. The great scorers are stars.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Ummmmm.... which kemp are you remembering? The cavs kemp or the reign man from seattle? Because kemp was exactly what blake is.........

Blake's improvement from last season puts him in the direction of Karl Malone with more athleticism.... Not kemp. Kemp stopped improving

[Jdm94Coupe]

Sounds like your issues are with the culture of the sport.... scoring is everything. The great scorers are stars.

I'll take 20/10 over 30per game. All day.

Scoring isn't the culture of the NBA. Scoring titles doesn't guarantee you championships.

[Vteckidd]

Blake's improvement from last season puts him in the direction of Karl Malone with more athleticism.... Not kemp. Kemp stopped improving

Malone made it to the finals with an MVP.

Blake isn't half the player Malone was lolol not even close

[Vteckidd]

Vastly a better scorer. I will agree. No other category I would take him over Paul. Except rebounding obviously.

Durant has no ring. Neither does Paul. Don't make a pass for Durant, he's no superstar either. No ring.....
At least Durant made it to the finals and his team won the west.....and he has an MVP......

He's better than cp3 lol its not even debatable.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Malone made it to the finals with an MVP.

Blake isn't half the player Malone was lolol not even close

Blake was 3rd in MVP voting, behind the 2nd best player in NBA history. And the best scorer since Kareem in Durant. Does that not "kinda" count as a NBA MVP, lol.

But let's not get to that man, I'm not saying he is on Maloney level. I'm saying he's 24 years old and elevated to a all nba level!!!!! His progression has been phenomenal....

[Jdm94Coupe]

At least Durant made it to the finals and his team won the west.....and he has an MVP......

He's better than cp3 lol its not even debatable.


I can easily debate it and prove much more points on his value to whatever franchise he's on and the immediate decline in the teams he left.

[Vteckidd]

Malone won MVP when this guy named MICHAEL JORDAN was in the league. Maybe you've heard of him?

He averaged 27/10/5......

He also made it to the finals this year.

Karl Malone was twice the player BG IS. BG would have to become clutch and a knockdown 17 foot fade away jumper to even come close. And become a MUCH better passer.

Durant is better , its universally accepted unless you're a clippers fanatic.

There's a reason why player rankings put cp3 BEHIND LBJ and KD .

Sorry 3rd in MVP voting isn't worth anything.

[Vteckidd]

I can easily debate it and prove much more points on his value to whatever franchise he's on and the immediate decline in the teams he left.
Sure. Great players make teams better.

However superstars, carry a team to the finals, win conferences, and MVPs.

Cp3 is cpzero when it comes to that which is all he will be judged on

[Vteckidd]

Blake was 3rd in MVP voting, behind the 2nd best player in NBA history. And the best scorer since Kareem in Durant. Does that not "kinda" count as a NBA MVP, lol.

But let's not get to that man, I'm not saying he is on Maloney level. I'm saying he's 24 years old and elevated to a all nba level!!!!! His progression has been phenomenal....
He's massively improved no question. But not to the point where you can count on him to win a series oR carry a team or score in crunch time.

Reason why he's not considered the top PF

[Jdm94Coupe]

Malone won MVP when this guy named MICHAEL JORDAN was in the league. Maybe you've heard of him?

He averaged 27/10/5......

He also made it to the finals this year.

Karl Malone was twice the player BG IS. BG would have to become clutch and a knockdown 17 foot fade away jumper to even come close. And become a MUCH better passer.

Durant is better , its universally accepted unless you're a clippers fanatic.

There's a reason why player rankings put cp3 BEHIND LBJ and KD .

Sorry 3rd in MVP voting isn't worth anything.

Guess you didn't see BG averages. He's 24, Malone wasn't this good at 24. Michael Jordan was a better scorer than Lebron. Better overall player, debatable.

Yea he's behind Durant and Lebron this year, I agree. When he was 2nd in MVP voting behind a guy named Kobe Bryant, ever heard or him? Durant wasn't on his level that season. Every year is different.......


Sure. Great players make teams better.

However superstars, carry a team to the finals, win conferences, and MVPs.

Cp3 is cpzero when it comes to that which is all he will be judged on

Durant has no ring and his team is on the decline. Next year they will be another step behind this year, which will put them in a completely different position.


He's massively improved no question. But not to the point where you can count on him to win a series oR carry a team or score in crunch time.

Reason why he's not considered the top PF

He's 24. And he's widely known around the nba to be only behind Kevin love at the PF position. Don't give me Aldridge, he had two good games versus a terrible defensive team. Very unc insistent and shoots TOO many jump shots.......

BG is top 3 PF no matter how you slice it.....

He's young man, YOUNG!

[Vteckidd]

You just change the argument to fit whatever way you want it to.

When you say BG is like Malone, I say hes not, and Malone won an MVP, you say its because BG is young and is improving. Well, I cant see the future, I go by what i KNOW. What I know is, that BG , despite having a BETTER TEAM (your words not mine) and the "best floor general in the league" in CP3 (your words not mine) with a HOF coach , LOST, in the second round. AGAIN.

Sure they are young, but so was Durant when he went to the finals, and the WCF.

I know what BG averaged, he still wasnt :

The best at his position in the league
The 2nd best player in the league

FACTS. 3rd in MVP voting, is an AFTERTHOUGHT, Not one person will remember that. BG is a guy that puts up monster numbers and flames out when the game slows down and you have to execute and make clutch shots.

The difference between BG and Karl Malone? Malone won an MVP despite JORDAN and got to the FINALS and LOST to Jordan.

BG cant even win the MVP OR GET TO THE FINALS. Durant won the MVP with LBJ in the league, so did D Rose. Dont tell me it cant be done.

I dunno why I even argue, I predicted the Clippers lose in 6 and they did. I told you the bench didnt matter, and it didnt. case closed. there will be 29 teams who get to say "NEXT YEAR!" when their season ends this year. Youve been saying NEXT YEAR for 3 years now :P

I dunno man, you cant say OKC gets worse because last year they lost WB, this year they lost Ibaka. If CP3 or BG was hurt, you would be saying you cant say the clippers were WORSE because you would be talking about injuries

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Blake's improvement from last season puts him in the direction of Karl Malone with more athleticism.... Not kemp. Kemp stopped improving

Kemp didnt stop improving........ he started smoking crack...lol

Please dont compare blake to malone.....malone would have made blake griffin cry. Stockton/malone >>>>> cp3/bg

[Vteckidd]

Kemp didnt stop improving........ he started smoking crack...lol

Please dont compare blake to malone.....malone would have made blake griffin cry. Stockton/malone >>>>> cp3/bg

Kemp got to the finals doe, with the Glove.

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Kemp got to the finals doe, with the Glove.

Kemp/Glove > cp3/bg

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Cp3 needs a team like the spurs to max out his potential. Cp3 is good enough to fit in anywhere, but the clippers school yard style is not his best fit.

The clips will never beat a pop coached spurs team to get to the finals..... even after tp and duncan leave

[Sinfix_15]

Seems like something is wrong with this place

[Vteckidd]

HA!

Spurs in 7

[Jdm94Coupe]

Spurs in 6. Manu with the finals MVP.

Possibly Leonard.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Blake and CP3 have years to make their presence in history man. They aren't old.

[Vteckidd]

Cp3 has been in the league a decade man. He's not young .

He's 29..... That's old for a guy who came in the league at 20.

He's had time to grow his game and mature. He is what he is. A GREAT PLAYER but he's not a game changer.

I'm not sure they ever win a chip with him and Blake.

Fwiw I'm not sure KD and WB do either

[Jdm94Coupe]

Cp3 has been in the league a decade man. He's not young .

He's 29..... That's old for a guy who came in the league at 20.

He's had time to grow his game and mature. He is what he is. A GREAT PLAYER but he's not a game changer.

I'm not sure they ever win a chip with him and Blake.

Fwiw I'm not sure KD and WB do either

Not everybody wins at the same points in their careers. That alone doesn't determine your greatness. You should know that by now. Great TEAMS win championships...... Not individual players.

Reggie miller has no ring, doesn't mean Mario chalmers is better. Different circumstances for everybody.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

Durant and WB aren't superstars either, no ring is no ring. Can't make exceptions for some...... If the standard is championships alone. Be consistent.

Because Durant looks far from a MVP to me. Hate to see how he feels if melo comes back west coast, he will no longer be the best SF in the west.

[Sinfix_15]

Blake and CP3 have years to make their presence in history man. They aren't old.
Yep.

Cp3s place in history will be on the shelf with guys like payton and stockton...... which is a hell of a compliment imo....

And blake will be on the shelf with shawn kemp and rasheed wallace

[Sinfix_15]

Spurs in 5. The old team is going to make the heat look old. Its gonna look like the old cavs this year. Spurs bigs got better, bad news for bosh. Leonard is gonna annoy lebron, heat role players arent gonna shoot lights out from 3 again. Wade's knees arent gonna finish the climb.

[Vteckidd]

Not everybody wins at the same points in their careers. That alone doesn't determine your greatness. You should know that by now. Great TEAMS win championships...... Not individual players.

Wait, stick to the topic. You said CP3 and Blake are young. I said CP3 is not YOUNG, hes been in the league 9 years, hes entering his 10th season. Thats not YOUNG. Hes on the backside of his career, most guys dont play 20 years. So the argument that hes young and hes got time, is a very very shaky one. He doesnt have time, his window is closing. Hes got maybe 2-3 years to make it happen tops.

You also make the TEAM argument everytime the Clippers lose


Reggie miller has no ring, doesn't mean Mario chalmers is better. Different circumstances for everybody.....

Who said anything about rings? Im just saying I dont think CP3 and Blake will win a ring together. They arent good enough. Im not sure KD and WB will (and we know they are the superior duo).

[Vteckidd]

Durant and WB aren't superstars either, no ring is no ring. Can't make exceptions for some...... If the standard is championships alone. Be consistent.

Because Durant looks far from a MVP to me. Hate to see how he feels if melo comes back west coast, he will no longer be the best SF in the west.

Durant is a superstar. hes won the MVP, 3 scoring titles, and been to the finals.

There is a good reason why hes the 2nd best player in the league universally.

CP3 hasnt won an MVP, hasnt come close to an MVP (Durant has been 2nd in votes before), hes not won a scoring title, Hes never made it to the Finals. KD Career > CP3 career. And, you even think CP3 had a better team, and yet, they still couldnt beat OKC.


CP3 has had SUPERIOR teams to OKC and GSW yet they cant make it past the 2nd round. Last year was the coach this year was the system or defense, blah blah blah. Durant is 100 times better than Melo, Melo cant rebound or pass like KD can. and KD plays somewhat better defense.

10 times out of 10, GMs are picking KD over Melo, sorry.

[Vteckidd]

Spurs in 5. The old team is going to make the heat look old. Its gonna look like the old cavs this year. Spurs bigs got better, bad news for bosh. Leonard is gonna annoy lebron, heat role players arent gonna shoot lights out from 3 again. Wade's knees arent gonna finish the climb.

Not so sure about that. I respect LBJ too much to give him only 1 win. I still think every year someone on Miami steps up, could be Chalmers, could be Lewis, etc.

[Vteckidd]

Yep.

Cp3s place in history will be on the shelf with guys like payton and stockton...... which is a hell of a compliment imo....

And blake will be on the shelf with shawn kemp and rasheed wallace

NO WAY BRO, THEY ARE THE MOST DOMINANT GUYS EVER, SO DOMINANT THEY HAVE BEEN FISHING FOR 2 WEEKS AND NOT IN THE PLAYOFFS

LULZ

[Jdm94Coupe]

Yep.

Cp3s place in history will be on the shelf with guys like payton and stockton...... which is a hell of a compliment imo....

And blake will be on the shelf with shawn kemp and rasheed wallace

He's on Payton's and stocktons level right now, yes. Let's see how his career progresses and ends.

Kemp has averaged 20ppg one time in his career. Blake is already considerably better than him already. Let's see how his career progresses too.....

He's past kemp and is progressing enough for me to say he will be better then Wallace before his career is over too. Will never be the great Tim Duncan, k. Mkhale, Garnett, Malone, Barkley, etc.... IMO

[Jdm94Coupe]

NO WAY BRO, THEY ARE THE MOST DOMINANT GUYS EVER, SO DOMINANT THEY HAVE BEEN FISHING FOR 2 WEEKS AND NOT IN THE PLAYOFFS

LULZ

Teams build and grow each season to become great. Quit acting like everybody's career ends in one season.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Durant is a superstar. hes won the MVP, 3 scoring titles, and been to the finals.

There is a good reason why hes the 2nd best player in the league universally.

CP3 hasnt won an MVP, hasnt come close to an MVP (Durant has been 2nd in votes before), hes not won a scoring title, Hes never made it to the Finals. KD Career > CP3 career. And, you even think CP3 had a better team, and yet, they still couldnt beat OKC.


CP3 has had SUPERIOR teams to OKC and GSW yet they cant make it past the 2nd round. Last year was the coach this year was the system or defense, blah blah blah. Durant is 100 times better than Melo, Melo cant rebound or pass like KD can. and KD plays somewhat better defense.

10 times out of 10, GMs are picking KD over Melo, sorry.

Durant has no championship. He is no superstar without it. Melo crushed Durant when they went head to head. Watch and see what happens on his new team next year.....

And don't glaze over cp3's accomplishments..... And he was 2nd in MVP and 3rd before. Hard for true PG's to get mvp's.... He averaged 24/12 for a season and got 2nd.... Look at the ball hog rose's MVP season numbers..... Like I said.... True PG's

[Sinfix_15]

You forget how good stockton was and how close stockton was to taking a championship from jordan.

[Vteckidd]

Durant has no championship. He is no superstar without it. Melo crushed Durant when they went head to head. Watch and see what happens on his new team next year.....

I feel like you make those statements a lot "WAIT AND SEE NEXT YEAR". Im still waiting, and I see Durant going further and further than Cp3 can. Durant is a better player, period, not even a discussion


And don't glaze over cp3's accomplishments..... And he was 2nd in MVP and 3rd before. Hard for true PG's to get mvp's.... He averaged 24/12 for a season and got 2nd.... Look at the ball hog rose's MVP season numbers..... Like I said.... True PG's

AWesome, 2nd and 3rd place dont define champions or superstars. Rose was better than CP3 that year. Rose was unstoppable that season, I watched him single handily drop 50 vs the Hawks and toy with a team that had a decent roster that year.

I judge guys on their accomplishments, there is ZERO argument you can make for CP3 being better than Durant. Durant has done more with less.

[Vteckidd]

Teams build and grow each season to become great. Quit acting like everybody's career ends in one season.

CP3 has been building and growing for 9 years.

Im not saying his career is over, but, unlike you, I dont think hes the guy that gets you over the hump. I dont think he and BG win a championship while in LA unless they add another piece. They dont have enough scoring. CP3 was the reason they lost game 4 (was it 4) so this great floor general arguably cost his team a series.

Sorry, I think hes a GREAT player, but until he gets over the hump, hes just that.

[Vteckidd]

He's on Payton's and stocktons level right now, yes. Let's see how his career progresses and ends.

Kemp has averaged 20ppg one time in his career. Blake is already considerably better than him already. Let's see how his career progresses too.....

He's past kemp and is progressing enough for me to say he will be better then Wallace before his career is over too. Will never be the great Tim Duncan, k. Mkhale, Garnett, Malone, Barkley, etc.... IMO

LOL Payton and Stockton went to the finals doe.

not the same.

Payton/Stockton are FAR superior to CP3. right now.

[Jdm94Coupe]

You forget how good stockton was and how close stockton was to taking a championship from jordan.

Never forgot that for one second. I just believe Paul will be playing Lebron in the final some or 2 years by the end of his career

[Sinfix_15]

Never forgot that for one second. I just believe Paul will be playing Lebron in the final some or 2 years by the end of his career

Pop's spurs are the only thing keeping durant out of the finals. What happened this year between the thunder and clips will happen next year... and the next....

The spurs and thunder are the class of the west. The clips are the field front runners and the field is catching up.... clips could be a 5 seed next season

[Sinfix_15]

Maybe twitter champ lebron will tweet paul and bg this time around when free agency comes.....

Then we can talk about paul being a title contender

[Jdm94Coupe]

Pop's spurs are the only thing keeping durant out of the finals. What happened this year between the thunder and clips will happen next year... and the next....

The spurs and thunder are the class of the west. The clips are the field front runners and the field is catching up.... clips could be a 5 seed next season

you've bumped your head. those are words you will definitely be eating......

[Jdm94Coupe]

LOL Payton and Stockton went to the finals doe.

not the same.

Payton/Stockton are FAR superior to CP3. right now.

their careers are already over.......

14. Chris Paul (http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/04/the-25-greatest-point-guards-in-nba-history/chris-paul)

this is about right...... he's about 14th now.... when his career is over he will be in the top 10.....

he is defensively what the glove was to the PG position..... and what stockton was assist wise.....

A PG who doesn't rely on his athletic ability have longer careers..... westbrook and rose won't last long. cp3 will still be dangerous because of him being the total package. its scary looking at how young the complete team is. stay a prisoner of one year and ignore the improvement all you can now. because there will be a time when you will be forced to watch what you say is never coming.... and you KNOW i will be here to remind you guys..

[Jdm94Coupe]

CP3 has been building and growing for 9 years.

Im not saying his career is over, but, unlike you, I dont think hes the guy that gets you over the hump. I dont think he and BG win a championship while in LA unless they add another piece. They dont have enough scoring. CP3 was the reason they lost game 4 (was it 4) so this great floor general arguably cost his team a series.

Sorry, I think hes a GREAT player, but until he gets over the hump, hes just that.

You sound stupid. The #1 scoring team in the NBA needs more scoring, lmao! Once they learn doc's defense is when they will take the next step.....not offensively. They are already the best in the NBA at that. But i'm sure that isnt true, right??????

cp3 has had 2 complete seasons with the clippers. talking about a byron scott coached team with the 2nd best player on the team being david west says enough.

the end of game 5 was definitely his fault. but give me another season you can say that. with the exception of the season the clips lost to the grizzlies after beating them the previous season he has lost to the nba champion 5 years of his 9. and we are talking about all time greatness he's lost to...... not an excuse, just saying losing to a dominating kobe bryant lead team and the all time best dynasty in the spurs lead by the greatest PF to ever touch a basketball doesn't exactly give you a shot without the proper team. Especially when you are a floor general and not a scoring machine.....

the clippers are young and promising for the future. trust me, lebron knows they are coming..... especially if the melo signing is true, durant would be terrified. because trust me, he knows melo is better.

but i still think he may make the chicago move, to stay in the weak east.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

I feel like you make those statements a lot "WAIT AND SEE NEXT YEAR". Im still waiting, and I see Durant going further and further than Cp3 can. Durant is a better player, period, not even a discussion



AWesome, 2nd and 3rd place dont define champions or superstars. Rose was better than CP3 that year. Rose was unstoppable that season, I watched him single handily drop 50 vs the Hawks and toy with a team that had a decent roster that year.

I judge guys on their accomplishments, there is ZERO argument you can make for CP3 being better than Durant. Durant has done more with less.

durant has no ring. rose has no ring. westbrook has no ring. cp3 has no ring....... none of them are superstars. just stars.

scoring a lot of points is no accomplishment. try making all NBA first team defense for once. try leading the nba in steals and assists one year......... durant is a lazy player who is a scoring machine.....

great scorer, not a complete player...... has too many turnovers. he better hope melo doesn't come back west..... because he will quickly become the 2nd best SF in the west.

[Vteckidd]

their careers are already over.......

14. Chris Paul (http://www.complex.com/sports/2013/04/the-25-greatest-point-guards-in-nba-history/chris-paul)

this is about right...... he's about 14th now.... when his career is over he will be in the top 10.....

Less predictions more substance


he is defensively what the glove was to the PG position..... and what stockton was assist wise.....
Payton MAYBE, hes not near Stockton.


A PG who doesn't rely on his athletic ability have longer careers..... westbrook and rose won't last long. cp3 will still be dangerous because of him being the total package. its scary looking at how young the complete team is. stay a prisoner of one year and ignore the improvement all you can now. because there will be a time when you will be forced to watch what you say is never coming.... and you KNOW i will be here to remind you guys..

I tend to agree that I see WB as a time bomb, at some point his athleticism will leave him or break him down. But , WB is in his 5th year? Hes had half the career CP3 has had, and hes a better shooter, a better scorer, a better athlete, a better rebounder. Hes not a better pure PG, but im not sure you need a pure PG to win. Look at the 2 teams in the finals. TP is not a TRUE PG.

[Vteckidd]

You sound stupid. The #1 scoring team in the NBA needs more scoring, lmao! Once they learn doc's defense is when they will take the next step.....not offensively. They are already the best in the NBA at that. But i'm sure that isnt true, right??????

They have been putting up points for the last 2 years, but , it doesnt translate to the playoffs. Now you sound stupid.

Barkely has said it for 2 years, they score a lot of points in the regular season, they look flashy, but in the playoffs, you have to be able to punch back, and the Clippers CANT.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A GO TO SCORER. THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF FLOPPERS AND STREAKY SHOOTERS. Thats it. They need a GO TO wing player, they dont have one. JJ REDDICK IS NOT WINNING YOU A CHAMPIONSHIP. IT had nothing to do with defense.


cp3 has had 2 complete seasons with the clippers. talking about a byron scott coached team with the 2nd best player on the team being david west says enough.
With supreme talent and he cant win.


the end of game 5 was definitely his fault. but give me another season you can say that. with the exception of the season the clips lost to the grizzlies after beating them the previous season he has lost to the nba champion 5 years of his 9. and we are talking about all time greatness he's lost to......
Superstars and floor generals dont lose series. Period.


the clippers are young and promising for the future. trust me, lebron knows they are coming..... especially if the melo signing is true, durant would be terrified. because trust me, he knows melo is better.
Melo is not better, no one but you believes that. How many MVPs does Melo have? How many Finals has Melo been to?

They are young and promising, but they need more pieces, less Jamal Crawfords and more veteran role players who arent ball stoppers and streaky 1 on 1 shooters. They literally have 3 guys that are the same in Reddick Crawford Dudley



but i still think he may make the chicago move, to stay in the weak east.....

He wont go to CHicago, who wants to go play for Thibs who will run you 48 minutes a night and into the ground. Why play with Drose as Amare 2.0? No, i think he goes to Houston, i think he takes a paycut and goes to Houston to join Harden and D12.

The BEST place for him to go would be Atlanta, but he wont do that

[Vteckidd]

durant has no ring. rose has no ring. westbrook has no ring. cp3 has no ring....... none of them are superstars. just stars.

scoring a lot of points is no accomplishment. try making all NBA first team defense for once. try leading the nba in steals and assists one year......... durant is a lazy player who is a scoring machine.....

great scorer, not a complete player...... has too many turnovers. he better hope melo doesn't come back west..... because he will quickly become the 2nd best SF in the west.

You ignored the fact that Rose and Durant have MVPS, and 1 finals appearance. Hell Rose made it to the conference finals.

Complete players win MVPs, Durant did :P

[Jdm94Coupe]

You ignored the fact that Rose and Durant have MVPS, and 1 finals appearance. Hell Rose made it to the conference finals.

Complete players win MVPs, Durant did :P

No ring = no superstar....

[Jdm94Coupe]

They have been putting up points for the last 2 years, but , it doesnt translate to the playoffs. Now you sound stupid.

Barkely has said it for 2 years, they score a lot of points in the regular season, they look flashy, but in the playoffs, you have to be able to punch back, and the Clippers CANT.

THEY DO NOT HAVE A GO TO SCORER. THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF FLOPPERS AND STREAKY SHOOTERS. Thats it. They need a GO TO wing player, they dont have one. JJ REDDICK IS NOT WINNING YOU A CHAMPIONSHIP. IT had nothing to do with defense.


With supreme talent and he cant win.

Superstars and floor generals dont lose series. Period.


Melo is not better, no one but you believes that. How many MVPs does Melo have? How many Finals has Melo been to?

They are young and promising, but they need more pieces, less Jamal Crawfords and more veteran role players who arent ball stoppers and streaky 1 on 1 shooters. They literally have 3 guys that are the same in Reddick Crawford Dudley




He wont go to CHicago, who wants to go play for Thibs who will run you 48 minutes a night and into the ground. Why play with Drose as Amare 2.0? No, i think he goes to Houston, i think he takes a paycut and goes to Houston to join Harden and D12.

The BEST place for him to go would be Atlanta, but he wont do that

The clippers are the leading scoring team in the NBA. Look it up. It continued into the playoffs.......... the problem was their inability to stop OKC's scoring attack. Guess you just watched the last 4:00 of game 5.... guess you missed the other 44:00 minutes. dominating.... failed to protect the ball and DEFEND.....

101-88 with 4:00 left. regardless if you don't score another point.... your defense should close out that game.....




no fucking way melo goes to houston.... he lives in L.A, he's team jordan with CP3, their wives are best friends, practically became brothers during the olympics....

if he goes west AT ALL, it will be with the clippers once they get rid of dudley, hedu t, and possibly granger as well..... he's not considering houston.....


knicks
bulls
lakers
clippers

no way he goes anywhere else unless they can convince him he will win a championship ASAP

[Vteckidd]

The clippers are the leading scoring team in the NBA. Look it up. It continued into the playoffs.......... the problem was their inability to stop OKC's scoring attack. Guess you just watched the last 4:00 of game 5.... guess you missed the other 44:00 minutes. dominating.... failed to protect the ball and DEFEND.....

101-88 with 4:00 left. regardless if you don't score another point.... your defense should close out that game.....

All I read from that was the Clippers lost the series because they couldnt close out games on the offensive side and defensive side. You have a stud PG on defense , you have a stud C at Defense. Thats more than most teams.

I just dont think defense was the only reason you lost. you have NO GO TO SCORERS, you are incapable of winning close games.

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no fucking way melo goes to houston.... he lives in L.A, he's team jordan with CP3, their wives are best friends, practically became brothers during the olympics....

if he goes west AT ALL, it will be with the clippers once they get rid of dudley, hedu t, and possibly granger as well..... he's not considering houston.....


knicks
bulls
lakers
clippers

no way he goes anywhere else unless they can convince him he will win a championship ASAP

Wonder why they arent picking up Parsons option then. They dont need a PF...........

I still think he stays with the knicks, but that is changing by the day the way PJ cant get a coach.

Lakers NO SHOT.

Clippers is a nice dream, I suppose it could happen, but Im not sure what they can offer him with the other contracts on the books.

EDIT:
$73,616,344

They would have to gut their team or trade a big piece to be able to sign Melo. or they would have to be ok with paying 15 million in luxury taxes.

[Vteckidd]

No ring = no superstar....

Then your list of superstars is really really small.

Rings arent the ONLY thing, but its a big thing. MVPs count , means your the best of everyone in the league.

[Vteckidd]

FWIW your predictions this year have been terrible :) Like 0-5 LOL

Keep making them Im sure at some point 1 will stick :P



Honestly the best bet for the Clippers IMO is to ditch granger, willie green, big baby, crawford and sign Parsons. Parsons will be a poor mans Melo, and hes super athletic

[Jdm94Coupe]

david west is far from supreme talent...... you missed those years in the NBA......

remember the lakers TEAMS
remember the spurs TEAMS

btw..... the NBA just put cp3 on the ALL NBA Defensive First Team, and the ALL NBA first team again...... he fucked up at the end of game 5, i agree. but that doesnt take away from the entire season.....


the spurs are the best TEAM in the NBA. The ? is ..... will Lebron/Wade/Bosh's Greatness surpass their TEAM not being better....

[Jdm94Coupe]

FWIW your predictions this year have been terrible :) Like 0-5 LOL

Keep making them Im sure at some point 1 will stick :P



Honestly the best bet for the Clippers IMO is to ditch granger, willie green, big baby, crawford and sign Parsons. Parsons will be a poor mans Melo, and hes super athletic

0-5 LMAO. how did you come up with that?

parson's isn't good enough to win a championship. houston couldn't get close to beating us in a series... we need NOTHING from their roster....

big baby and granger are cheap vets. the only way to let one of them go would be granger, and thats only to get a STARTING SF.....

i know my team. I knew we would get doc. i know doc isn't done......

JARED DUDLEY is the one who HAS to leave..... eric bledsoe was traded for him...... terrible!
JJ redick was traded for caron butler..... VERY SOLID deal and it paid off, he will be a clipper for the next 3-4 years at least. sniper from the field....

AGAIN i hate to keep saying this. SF position and overall team defense is what the clippers will change.... watch and see...

[Jdm94Coupe]

Then your list of superstars is really really small.

Rings arent the ONLY thing, but its a big thing. MVPs count , means your the best of everyone in the league.

And all NBA first team means you are the BEST in the NBA at your position...... voted on by the same people who vote MVP. you're making your points match my argument.

there is only one PG on the ALL NBA team...... name the other one please.... rose? rondo? curry? parker? ..... no, that means they aren't the best at their position in the league. REGARDLESS of how dominant your TEAM is (or having the best PF in the history of the sport)

[Jdm94Coupe]

and melo may go to houston.... who knows....

but every year going forward for the NBA is gonna be GREAT! the nba as a whole is becoming deeper and deeper talent wise....

[Vteckidd]

And all NBA first team means you are the BEST in the NBA at your position...... voted on by the same people who vote MVP. you're making your points match my argument.

there is only one PG on the ALL NBA team...... name the other one please.... rose? rondo? curry? parker? ..... no, that means they aren't the best at their position in the league. REGARDLESS of how dominant your TEAM is (or having the best PF in the history of the sport)

Best at position is not the same as BEST IN THE LEAGUE.

How do you not understand this? All NBA 1st team is LESS THAN MVP.

[Vteckidd]

david west is far from supreme talent...... you missed those years in the NBA......

remember the lakers TEAMS
remember the spurs TEAMS

btw..... the NBA just put cp3 on the ALL NBA Defensive First Team, and the ALL NBA first team again...... he fucked up at the end of game 5, i agree. but that doesnt take away from the entire season.....


the spurs are the best TEAM in the NBA. The ? is ..... will Lebron/Wade/Bosh's Greatness surpass their TEAM not being better....

9 Years.

You make excuses for him, I dont.

You dismiss his early years because he had no talent (when he probably had more talent than LBJ)
You dismiss his early years because other teams were better and he didnt have a TEAM
CP3 is traded to a much better team then:
You dismiss last year because of VDN
You dismiss this year because they "didnt learn Docs defensive system"

Cmon, its excuse after excuse after excuse. WIN. WIN WIN WIN. Dont lose and then blame everything BUT the player.

Hes probably the best PG in the league, no problem, but what is that worth? Apparently its not worth:
An MVP
A finals Appearance
A ring

[Vteckidd]

0-5 LMAO. how did you come up with that?

parson's isn't good enough to win a championship. houston couldn't get close to beating us in a series... we need NOTHING from their roster....

big baby and granger are cheap vets. the only way to let one of them go would be granger, and thats only to get a STARTING SF.....

You must not watch Houston play. Parsons is a starting SF and hes much better defensively than Melo , and , hes younger, and hes cheaper. I would grab him if I was the LAC.





JARED DUDLEY is the one who HAS to leave..... eric bledsoe was traded for him...... terrible!
Was pretty terrible but you got Reddick for him too IIRC.

It was , you traded Caron Butler/Bledsoe for Reddick and Dudley it only cost you 1 2nd round pick. So , it wasnt that bad a deal. Bledsoe was nice but someone was going to overpay him.

JJ redick was traded for caron butler..... VERY SOLID deal and it paid off, he will be a clipper for the next 3-4 years at least. sniper from the field....
Not really. See above. It was a multiple team deal.


AGAIN i hate to keep saying this. SF position and overall team defense is what the clippers will change.... watch and see...

So you wouldnt sign arguably one of the best SFs in the leaqgue in parsons? makes sense

[Vteckidd]

LOL


houston couldn't get close to beating us in a series

These predictions are funny.


OKC WONT BEAT US!

GSW WONT WIN ANOTHER GAME!

OKC WONT WIN A GAME IN LA

Add this to it I guess

[Jdm94Coupe]

dont forget.... paul pierce is unrestricted too. maybe he decides to join doc and the clippers to play a small role.... who knows....

[Sinfix_15]

Tp is the best pg in the league.

He shifts gears when it matters. Tp has elevated his team to championships, took over games, hit the game winning shots....

When you put up stats is just as important as the stats you put up.

Cp3 is a mustang who spends the entire season in 5th gear.

Tp is a lamborghini who doesnt take the cruise controll off untill the playoffs.

Westbrook is a ferrari with a drunk driver at the wheel

[Vteckidd]

dont forget.... paul pierce is unrestricted too. maybe he decides to join doc and the clippers to play a small role.... who knows....

That is FAR MORE likely, but again, I would make a run at Parsons first.

Melo
Parsons
PP

in that order. Pierce might be the best because of the Vet Min + bonus

[Vteckidd]

Tp is the best pg in the league.

He shifts gears when it matters. Tp has elevated his team to championships, took over games, hit the game winning shots....

When you put up stats is just as important as the stats you put up.

Cp3 is a mustang who spends the entire season in 5th gear.

Tp is a lamborghini who doesnt take the cruise controll off untill the playoffs.

I still think the best PURE PG is still CP3. hes a better defender, better passer, better rebounder.

Tony Parker is a MUCH better scorer than Cp3 and I think his basketball IQ is MUCH higher. He knows how to exploit pick and rolls and score , I dont see that from CP3. CP3 only really reads the mismatches when its blatant. Parker makes a much better decisions under duress.

Now, parker PRIME vs CP3.............. I would take Parker, hes got "IT" when it counts, something i have not seen from CP3, yet.




Westbrook is a ferrari with a drunk driver at the wheel

Agreed. I really think they should move him to SG.

CP3 needs more WB, and WB needs more CP3. Tony Parker has been able to meld both of them VERY well, which is largely due to Pop

[Sinfix_15]

I dont see melo making a basketball move.... where he goes will be decided by lifestyle. I dont see melo living in houston

[Jdm94Coupe]

LOL



These predictions are funny.





Add this to it I guess

i also picked l.a. over gsw
spurs over dallas
okc over memphis
portland over houston
spurs over portland
indiana over atlanta
washington over chicago
miami over bobcats
brooklyn over toronto
etc etc.....

[Vteckidd]

I dont see melo making a basketball move.... where he goes will be decided by lifestyle. I dont see melo living in houston

I disagree again, he has got to know this is about legacy. he wants to WIN. If he wants to WIN, he goes to the best place for him to win.

On paper its Houston, in reality its probably more like Atlanta.

[Jdm94Coupe]

I dont see melo making a basketball move.... where he goes will be decided by lifestyle. I dont see melo living in houston

i think the same thing..... as bad as i dont wanna say it.... he may become a laker

[Vteckidd]

i also picked l.a. over gsw
spurs over dallas
okc over memphis
portland over houston
spurs over portland
indiana over atlanta
washington over chicago
miami over bobcats
brooklyn over toronto
etc etc.....

So basically everything BUT the clippers you got right.

HOMER

250516


:taun:;)

[Vteckidd]

i think the same thing..... as bad as i dont wanna say it.... he may become a laker

HES NOT GOING TO LA. It would be the DUMBEST move HE EVER made. Play next to INJURY ridden KOBE who is a BALL dominator JUST like him? The only way he goes to LAL is if the Lakers pull off some miracle and land Kevin Love and/or RW.

Not happening.

he wants to WIN NOW, he would be better off staying in NY than LA.

[Jdm94Coupe]

That is FAR MORE likely, but again, I would make a run at Parsons first.

Melo
Parsons
PP

in that order. Pierce might be the best because of the Vet Min + bonus

Melo
dirk n.
Paul Pierce
Rudy Gay
Start Granger and get him healthy and bring barnes off bench.... and see if the chemistry takes you over the next step. this was a very unhealthy season for the team as a whole....

bte hollins will be gone via free agency.... and so will hedu turk.... so there will definitely be changes to get a SF

[Jdm94Coupe]

So basically everything BUT the clippers you got right.

HOMER

250516


:taun:;)

oh yea and the clippers over gsw too..... sorry

and i was wrong about okc. game 5 ended the series..... but definitely not without controversy.... to say the least. durant is loved, we all know that. but he is no champion, as isnt chris paul. they are both in the top 5 in the NBA every season and it looks to be that way for a while longer.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

HES NOT GOING TO LA. It would be the DUMBEST move HE EVER made. Play next to INJURY ridden KOBE who is a BALL dominator JUST like him? The only way he goes to LAL is if the Lakers pull off some miracle and land Kevin Love and/or RW.

Not happening.

he wants to WIN NOW, he would be better off staying in NY than LA.


i agree. but i know he doesnt want to play in NY. so who knows what deals the lakers can make to get a PG or what not.... who knows just yet... still possible

[Vteckidd]

Dirk isnt going anywhere

Rudy gay isnt going anywhere. He has a player option IIRC that pays him 19 million? hes not going ANYWHERE. he will stay in Sac Town cause no one else is paying him 19 million

Granger looks like his best times are clearly behind him. Barnes, hes your best option at SF which is kind of a problem (i like barnes too hes a good player). Seriously Parsons or Pierce is prob the best option. Not sure PP is a viable starter anymore, Parsons would push you into elite team status.

Parsons numbers are phenomenal considering hes easily the teams 3rd or 4th best option. The clippers he would be a surefire #3 option, he has outside shooting, he plays great defense and you can get him for prob 10 million

Melo would be ideal but hes going to get 19-20 million

[Jdm94Coupe]

I disagree again, he has got to know this is about legacy. he wants to WIN. If he wants to WIN, he goes to the best place for him to win.

On paper its Houston, in reality its probably more like Atlanta.

atlanta would probably be one of the top 3-4 situations for him i agree........

clippers..... cp3 and he lives in los angeles, its his home now.... and doc rivers
bulls........ rose, noah, and coach tom.......
houston...... harden, dwight, beverly (defensively)
atlanta....... teague, lou(possibly), millsap, healthy horford..... great new coach ( and in weak east conf)

[Jdm94Coupe]

Dirk isnt going anywhere

Rudy gay isnt going anywhere. He has a player option IIRC that pays him 19 million? hes not going ANYWHERE. he will stay in Sac Town cause no one else is paying him 19 million

Granger looks like his best times are clearly behind him. Barnes, hes your best option at SF which is kind of a problem (i like barnes too hes a good player). Seriously Parsons or Pierce is prob the best option. Not sure PP is a viable starter anymore, Parsons would push you into elite team status.

Parsons numbers are phenomenal considering hes easily the teams 3rd or 4th best option. The clippers he would be a surefire #3 option, he has outside shooting, he plays great defense and you can get him for prob 10 million

Melo would be ideal but hes going to get 19-20 million

we need more defense than parsons..... and houston's not gonna let him go. see the $ they owe him? hes restricted free agent

[Vteckidd]

Atlanta because with Millsap and Horford healthy, he would get so many open looks it would be insane. It would be like the olympic team for him. Korver would move to the bench.

They would have so much outside scoring it would be incredible, with Horford inside they would still have a post presence.

Clippers is the ideal spot but they cant afford him IMO. They would have to prob give up DJ to get him

[Jdm94Coupe]

maybe the 20 billion dollar owner won't mind being like brooklyn's owner to deliver a championship.... hell at least getting melo you know would take you to a whole new level. brooklyn's over made crazy stupid deals, lol....

deron... lmao
joe j... lmao

[Vteckidd]

we need more defense than parsons..... and houston's not gonna let him go. see the $ they owe him? hes restricted free agent


Parsons is a better defender than PP and Melo, sorry.

Houston is not picking up his option, therefore any team can offer him anything, and houston has 3 days to match. we are about to find out what hes worth. If Clippers offer him 10 million, they are going to call Melo and say "whats the deal"

If melo declines, then Parsons stays in houston. If Melo agrees, Parsons is gone to whatever team offers.

[Vteckidd]

maybe the 20 billion dollar owner won't mind being like brooklyn's owner to deliver a championship.... hell at least getting melo you know would take you to a whole new level. brooklyn's over made crazy stupid deals, lol....

deron... lmao
joe j... lmao

That is true, new ownership may say screw it and go all in

[Jdm94Coupe]

Parsons is a better defender than PP and Melo, sorry.

Houston is not picking up his option, therefore any team can offer him anything, and houston has 3 days to match. we are about to find out what hes worth. If Clippers offer him 10 million, they are going to call Melo and say "whats the deal"

If melo declines, then Parsons stays in houston. If Melo agrees, Parsons is gone to whatever team offers.

Parsons is a better defender than paul p. but not melo man, i watched melo lock up durant this year and in a clipper jersey okc wouldnt have a advantage at that position. but who knows.....



That is true, new ownership may say screw it and go all in

they may, knowing that one player would change EVERYTHING. PLUS maybe melo decides to make less NBA money and UP his off court $$$$ endorsement wise.... you see how "hollywood paul and BG are" .... they make damn good $ off the court too now.... plus its his home. who knows....

[Jdm94Coupe]

on a side note........... how fucking great is Tim Duncan.... man its great to have watched him dominate all these years. I think he's gonna play until he's 40.

[Sinfix_15]

Melo wont sign for 1 penny less than his maximum contract. Hes not a "take one for the team" kind of guy.

[Sinfix_15]

on a side note........... how fucking great is Tim Duncan.... man its great to have watched him dominate all these years. I think he's gonna play until he's 40.

Pop isnt pop without a humble superstar like duncan believing him. When a player like duncan has the coaches back.... you better fall in line or get packing.

[Vteckidd]

Melo wont sign for 1 penny less than his maximum contract. Hes not a "take one for the team" kind of guy.

I dont agree with that anymore. I think there was a time he was like that, and look what happened, he gutted the Knicks and got stuck there with a major market and all the scrutiny that comes with it.

I watched him play last year, and, im not sure hes that selfish player anymore. He was the ONLY one playing his ass off and while I agree hes a ball stopper, in the right system he can flourish.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Melo wont sign for 1 penny less than his maximum contract. Hes not a "take one for the team" kind of guy.

dont be so sure. his interview says otherwise.... lets see what he does.... him and his wife have definitely done well for themselves. he's got plenty of time left in his career.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

I dont agree with that anymore. I think there was a time he was like that, and look what happened, he gutted the Knicks and got stuck there with a major market and all the scrutiny that comes with it.

I watched him play last year, and, im not sure hes that selfish player anymore. He was the ONLY one playing his ass off and while I agree hes a ball stopper, in the right system he can flourish.

i agree. him on a contender.... hell not only that, but the deeper your team goes in the playoffs the more you make. hell paul george made 7 million for making the all nba THIRD team.....

they all are rich, melo says he wants to win now. lets see what his actions tell us.....

[Vteckidd]

Parsons is a better defender than paul p. but not melo man, i watched melo lock up durant this year and in a clipper jersey okc wouldnt have a advantage at that position. but who knows.....
Lock durant down?

12/25
OKC Wins
Durant goes for 29/7/6 62% FG Shooting, 67% 3pt Shooting
Anthony - DID NOT PLAY

02/09
OKC Wins
Durant goes for 41/10/9 55% FG Shooting, 57% 3pt Shooting

Melo 15 points 26% shooting



Melo is NOT a better player than Durant. Its not even CLOSE.

Carmelo Anthony vs. Kevin Durant Comparison: (http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/a/carmelo_anthony_vs_kevin_durant.htm)

[Jdm94Coupe]

Lock durant down?

12/25
OKC Wins
Durant goes for 29/7/6 62% FG Shooting, 67% 3pt Shooting
Anthony - DID NOT PLAY

02/09
OKC Wins
Durant goes for 41/10/9 55% FG Shooting, 57% 3pt Shooting

Melo 15 points 26% shooting



Melo is NOT a better player than Durant. Its not even CLOSE.

Carmelo Anthony vs. Kevin Durant Comparison: (http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/a/carmelo_anthony_vs_kevin_durant.htm)

my bad i actually think that mightve been last year i was thinking about.....

anyway.... not sure how much melo is gonna care about a NBA deal.... he makes 9 million a year off endorsements (going to a better team will likely jump that number up)

10 Highest-paid NBA Players | Bankrate.com (http://www.bankrate.com/lite/celebrity-money/highest-paid-nba-players-7.aspx)

[Vteckidd]

my bad i actually think that mightve been last year i was thinking about.....

anyway.... not sure how much melo is gonna care about a NBA deal.... he makes 9 million a year off endorsements (going to a better team will likely jump that number up)

10 Highest-paid NBA Players | Bankrate.com (http://www.bankrate.com/lite/celebrity-money/highest-paid-nba-players-7.aspx)

I think it was the year before when Melo was really on fire, but even then he barely beat KD out for the scoring title (it was by like .1 points IIRC). Melo has 4+ years in the league compared to Durant, and its not even close how much better Durant is.

Melo has a tough decision, and its going to be like Revis IMO. Hes going to have to decide being PAID and winning but being paid fair. hes had a taste of being PAID and having no talent. Even LBJ took a "pay cut".

I think if the clippers Really want him, its going to take 15-18 million to pry him from NY without significantly blowing up the Clippers team. The clippers are paid for , they are like the pacers, this is their team for the next 2-3 years. They dont NEED melo, they could find someone else IMO, but Melo would be the "sure thing".

[Jdm94Coupe]

I think it was the year before when Melo was really on fire, but even then he barely beat KD out for the scoring title (it was by like .1 points IIRC). Melo has 4+ years in the league compared to Durant, and its not even close how much better Durant is.

Melo has a tough decision, and its going to be like Revis IMO. Hes going to have to decide being PAID and winning but being paid fair. hes had a taste of being PAID and having no talent. Even LBJ took a "pay cut".

I think if the clippers Really want him, its going to take 15-18 million to pry him from NY without significantly blowing up the Clippers team. The clippers are paid for , they are like the pacers, this is their team for the next 2-3 years. They dont NEED melo, they could find someone else IMO, but Melo would be the "sure thing".

I agree. I think more like 14-15 mil though. His l.a. Endorsements would be through the roof

[Vteckidd]

I agree. I think more like 14-15 mil though. His l.a. Endorsements would be through the roof

Not sure the endorsements for him get much better than being in NY. hes already heavy Jumpan/Nike

Not sure state farm is that much more to him Hhahahah :P

14/15 mill.......man that would be HUGE discount. Wades making 20million, kobe 25 million, Durant will be 20 million. hes gotta get around 18 I think to feel like hes not being disrespected. this is his LAST big contract

[Jdm94Coupe]

They may be fine though. Who knows maybe a player like gortat will be available.

[Jdm94Coupe]

How many years you think melo has left? 7 minimum......

[Vteckidd]

How many years you think melo has left? 7 minimum......

left producing at this level? 4-5ish. Dont know to many 37 year old SFs that can keep up that kind of athleticism and he doesnt stay in particularly good shape.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Melo is a lot smaller in the midsection than before. And a lot stronger. He built his body if a lot of people didn't notice. Look at his body at the all star game

[Jdm94Coupe]

Idk. But I do think the NBA is gaining popularity on the NFL....

[Sinfix_15]

Idk. But I do think the NBA is gaining popularity on the NFL....
No.

More peopled watched the nfl draft than they will the nba finals.

[Jdm94Coupe]

No.

More peopled watched the nfl draft than they will the nba finals.

100% wrong. Superbowl, yes. Draft, no.

[Vteckidd]

100% wrong. Superbowl, yes. Draft, no.


NFL Draft TV Ratings
Rounds 1-3
Record 45.7 Million Viewers for 2014 NFL Draft

Round 1
Record 32 Million Viewers for 2014 NFL Draft


NBA Finals Viewership from last year
Game 1 14.2m
Game 2 14.6m
Game 3 14.0m
Game 4 16.2m
Game 5 16.3m
Game 6 20.6m
Game 7 26.3m

So, as a whole, no, but individually, its not even close.

[Sinfix_15]

100% wrong. Superbowl, yes. Draft, no.

100% right son.

[Sinfix_15]

So, as a whole, no, but individually, its not even close.

As a whole? That aint how it works. Peak viewership vs peak viewership.

26m vs 32m.....

Oh and the superbowl.... 100+mil

Comparing nba to nfl is silly

[Vteckidd]

As a whole? That aint how it works. Peak viewership vs peak viewership.

26m vs 32m.....

Oh and the superbowl.... 100+mil

Comparing nba to nfl is silly

I was saying that comparing 7 games to 3 days of draft, not really accurate.

But peak vs peak, of course, the NBA isnt even close.

Anyone upset with the ALL NBA votings? People on another board arguing Harden should NOT have made the 1st team

[Jdm94Coupe]

The NBA has series for a reason. Like I said, more people watched the finals than the draft. Like I also said, I believe the NBA is catching the NFL in popularity.....

a LARGE % of people watch the superbowl for the commercials. I know, because thats why i watch it.


I'm not quite sure how i feel about harden being there...... he plays NO defense, but I'm not sure who should replace him.....

not just because I'm a clipper fan. I just find it crazy deandre got zero recognition for his season.... weird to me the hype behind noah against the terrible competition they faced....

[Sinfix_15]

The NBA has series for a reason. Like I said, more people watched the finals than the draft. Like I also said, I believe the NBA is catching the NFL in popularity.....

a LARGE % of people watch the superbowl for the commercials. I know, because thats why i watch it.


I'm not quite sure how i feel about harden being there...... he plays NO defense, but I'm not sure who should replace him.....

not just because I'm a clipper fan. I just find it crazy deandre got zero recognition for his season.... weird to me the hype behind noah against the terrible competition they faced....
Ok blankcd..... startin to ignore reality. The facts are the facts. Youve been shown the facts.

Do you not realize the irony in pointing out the marketability? The superbowl is a big commercial event because..................


100+ million ppl are watching.



The nba will never catch the nfl. Even now with the nba as good as its ever been and stars like lebron and durant... still cant compete with even the draft

[Sinfix_15]

Lebron knows he loves to flop

[Sinfix_15]

Spurs doin what spurs do.


Spurs in 5

[Jdm94Coupe]

Ok blankcd..... startin to ignore reality. The facts are the facts. Youve been shown the facts.

Do you not realize the irony in pointing out the marketability? The superbowl is a big commercial event because..................


100+ million ppl are watching.



The nba will never catch the nfl. Even now with the nba as good as its ever been and stars like lebron and durant... still cant compete with even the draft

what the hell are you talking about? vteckidd just showed you the #'s..... more people watch the finals than the draft!

guess what...... as of this year right now..... i dont think either one of you can argue that the ENTIRE NBA playoffs haven't been 100% BETTER than the NFL playoffs this season......

anyway.... on to more important stuff........ great game spurs....

[Sinfix_15]

what the hell are you talking about? vteckidd just showed you the #'s..... more people watch the finals than the draft!

guess what...... as of this year right now..... i dont think either one of you can argue that the ENTIRE NBA playoffs haven't been 100% BETTER than the NFL playoffs this season......

anyway.... on to more important stuff........ great game spurs....

You clearly dont understand. Ratings are based on peak views.....

Or do you think 20 mil ppl watch game 1, then 20m new people watch game 2...

Vtek showed you that i was right.

The nfl crushes the nba in ratings...... even though these are some of the best playoffs in our lifetime

[Sinfix_15]

Am i the only one who sees these finals as a mismatch?

Its gonna take some great play out of lebron to make this a series. Lebron is the best player on the floor but the spurs are the superior team

[Jdm94Coupe]

Am i the only one who sees these finals as a mismatch?

Its gonna take some great play out of lebron to make this a series. Lebron is the best player on the floor but the spurs are the superior team

Well let's see...... Their are numerous teams in the Western Conference that would've beat the Heat in a playoff series. The TEAMS are better, the X factor is a guy named Lebron James. If he plays like Lebron James, they will win. If he plays any worse, they won't.

Everyone who watches the NBA knows which TEAM is better. The only ? in this series is....... Will Lebron's greatness surpass the dominance of the Spurs Organization?

[Sinfix_15]

Game 2

Spurs wont make as many mistakes, the defense will get sharper. Lebron's feathers are ruffled by game 1, hes going to try to do too much and its going to play right into the spurs hands. Leonard is going to emerge tonight and a dominant spurs win is going to cast a large shadow of doubt on the heat.

Spurs 103 Heat 87

[Sinfix_15]

Tim Duncan.........

[Sinfix_15]

Lebron played as great as he had to be. Manu was garbage. Chalmers should have been ejected. Nice surprise boost from Rashard. Heat role players always show up it seems.

As great as lebron was, the game MVP was Chalmers for being a dirty cheating faggot and trying to take parker out

Chalmers has a history of "accidently" elbowing the other teams most important player

[Jdm94Coupe]

Lebron played as great as he had to be. Manu was garbage. Chalmers should have been ejected. Nice surprise boost from Rashard. Heat role players always show up it seems.

As great as lebron was, the game MVP was Chalmers for being a dirty cheating faggot and trying to take parker out

Chalmers has a history of "accidently" elbowing the other teams most important player

Lmao!!!!! Heard of a player named Lance Stephenson? Serge Ibaka?

If lance didn't get ejected against Norris cole....... AND worst of all, if Ibaka can hit the same person in the penis two years straight and not get ejected, let's get real......

Spurs have to find a answer for lebron, in Miami the roster will play even better. Btw, Chris bosh is still one of the top 3 PF in the NBA.

Great game Duncan, Parker.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Game 2

Spurs wont make as many mistakes, the defense will get sharper. Lebron's feathers are ruffled by game 1, hes going to try to do too much and its going to play right into the spurs hands. Leonard is going to emerge tonight and a dominant spurs win is going to cast a large shadow of doubt on the heat.

Spurs 103 Heat 87

Hmmm.

[Jdm94Coupe]

It's not always about scoring. Manu made a lot of great plays with the pass.

Might be time to recognize, Parker missed both free throws. And Duncan also missed two. This was a winnable game, but they missed those easy points at critical times in the game.

They will regroup and be ready for game 3.

[Sinfix_15]

It's not always about scoring. Manu made a lot of great plays with the pass.

Might be time to recognize, Parker missed both free throws. And Duncan also missed two. This was a winnable game, but they missed those easy points at critical times in the game.

They will regroup and be ready for game 3.
Parker was hurt. No excuse for Duncan. Those 4 fts were the game.

Chalmers intentionally struck someone with ill intent. If thats not ejectable i dont know what is. That was the equivalent of a punch.

Theres a VASTLY big difference in hooking someone on a drive and a downward elbow. Downward elbows are even banned from MMA.

[Sinfix_15]

Manu had so many bone head plays in key moments. Even the things he did that worked were wreckless. You dont schoolyard the Heat..... theyre the best schoolyard team on the planet. Manu seemed to completely disrupt everything tonight with wreckless risky play.

I know its always fire and ice with manu....... but damn what a shitty time to turn up lame

And there is no answer for lebron when hes got the jumper going

[Vteckidd]

Missed FTs, thats what cost the game IMO. Parker should still hit those regardless of the elbow.

Spurs (and every other team) have no answer for LBJ, but you cant let Bosh and Lewis rain 3s on top of you. Leonard has to stay out of foul trouble, hes been a huge non factor in this series. Almost wonder if playing LBJ is taking too much out of him. Look for pop to switch in game 3, try to get Leonard going on the offensive end maybe?

I expected Miami to win, their defense, when they decide to play it, is so suffocating. Lots of bad ball movement by the spurs, lots of 1 on 1 in crunch time with bad possessions. The one where Tony tried to go 1 on 1 vs LBJ TWICE late in the shot clock I was like "REALLY?"

I suspect Spurs will win 1/2 in Miami. I think it comes back to SA 2-2

[Jdm94Coupe]

1. Did you see the lance play? It seemed to me to be one of the dirtiest plays I've seen since the elbow from meta world peace on James harden years ago. No ejection.

2. Serge Ibaka, who is easily one of the strongest and most powerful men in our league today. The size, grit, and just general girth of him is no fucking joke. Now imagine what it would feel like to get punched in the DICK (one of the most sensitive areas on a man, period) not just once, BUT TWICE by the SAME person!!!!! And no EJECTION either time!!!! Remember????


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7IWtAsNVGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6bcRn8DBas

So I think those plays were way worse than a elbow from "Mario Chalmers" ..... But the spurs made too many mistakes, they are the best team in the nba. Won't blow another game most likely.

Lebron started what like 1-5..... But ended up 14/22..... So 13/17 the rest of the game. He's the best in the world, end of story normally if he plays like that.

BUT great teams gotta make better decisions in the clutch.

[Jdm94Coupe]

I think Miami puts a strangle hold on this series in the next 2 games, and goes up 3-1. Then for The spurs to win the next 2. And lebron and co. Close them out in SA. Game 7.

So I've got Miami in 7, possibly 6.

[Sinfix_15]

1. Did you see the lance play? It seemed to me to be one of the dirtiest plays I've seen since the elbow from meta world peace on James harden years ago. No ejection.

2. Serge Ibaka, who is easily one of the strongest and most powerful men in our league today. The size, grit, and just general girth of him is no fucking joke. Now imagine what it would feel like to get punched in the DICK (one of the most sensitive areas on a man, period) not just once, BUT TWICE by the SAME person!!!!! And no EJECTION either time!!!! Remember????


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7IWtAsNVGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6bcRn8DBas

So I think those plays were way worse than a elbow from "Mario Chalmers" ..... But the spurs made too many mistakes, they are the best team in the nba. Won't blow another game most likely.

Lebron started what like 1-5..... But ended up 14/22..... So 13/17 the rest of the game. He's the best in the world, end of story normally if he plays like that.

BUT great teams gotta make better decisions in the clutch.

Its not about comparing it to others. Two missed calls dont make a right.

Chalmers was ejected and suspended for a lesser elbow on dirk. Chalmers did that on purpose, hes a dirty player.

[Vteckidd]

Chalmers elbow was way more dirty than Ibaka on BG sorry. Ibaka was genuinely accidental, this was not. CHalmers if you watch him play, he loves doing that when guys play good defense on him. See game 1, he practically ran over a screen then acted like he did nothing.

[Sinfix_15]

On to game 3. I hope Chalmers tears his ACL.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Its not about comparing it to others. Two missed calls dont make a right.

Chalmers was ejected and suspended for a lesser elbow on dirk. Chalmers did that on purpose, hes a dirty player.

ALL 3 plays, including the most ridiculous one in my eyes(lance) weren't necessary. But we can't sit here everyday and talk about how soft the NBA players of today are. (which i don't believe, i think they adjusted to the way stern changed how the game was officiated) ...... and then a play like this with a PG on PG and act like it ended their game. Just like people rip cp3 for his terrible game 5, Parker deserved equal blame if not more. He's a dominate PG and a second team ALL NBA player, he should be putting so much pressure on Miami's defense, they should have to put wade or lebron on him. He missed those free throws, but I'm sorry.... if it hurt so bad, sit down and let patty mills come in, shoot the FT's, and end the game. The elbow wasn't a big deal as he didn't even really cock his arm back.

I'm not saying mario isn't dirty..... im saying with the way the West playoffs were this season, that bullshit is NOTHING. Not sure if you guys saw the GS series, there was a ton of WAY MORE physical plays than that.


Chalmers elbow was way more dirty than Ibaka on BG sorry. Ibaka was genuinely accidental, this was not. CHalmers if you watch him play, he loves doing that when guys play good defense on him. See game 1, he practically ran over a screen then acted like he did nothing.

You don't accidently punch somebody in the nuts twice, never has happened in the history of basketball. People choose who they like and who they don't, and then base their opinions off that. Randolph's play was less "dirty" than ibaka's play, lance's play, AND mario's play. Yet he was the only one suspended, and his was for a game 7.

Who cares if a damn PG ran over a screen, if he takes you out of your game, you are pathetic. Now if lebron catches you with a elbow, that might be a completely different story. Parker plays euro ball, and its not exactly flag football itself. Like he said, they play without A/C all the time over seas, guess what, they ruff his ass up there too. He just didn't finish this particular game.


On to game 3. I hope Chalmers tears his ACL.

I'm sure you do. I hope they let this series get just as physical as the Western Conference Playoffs were, which is way more than a elbow from a 6' PG. Sad.

[Jdm94Coupe]

San Antonio will bounce back. They are champions, and led by the Greatest Pf in the history of the game. He will find a way, he ALWAYS has.

Its been a pleasure watching the greatness of Duncan.

[Jdm94Coupe]

ibaka, accident....... LMFAO. Do you guys watch OKC's games? He's top 3 in the NBA of DIRTY players.

And don't get me wrong, i call it how i see it. CP3 is also one of the dirtiest players in the NBA as well.

[Sinfix_15]

Um........ parker did have wade and lebron on him..........

If you thought that elbow was no big deal, youre probably not very familiar with physical contact. Stand up with your hands above your head and let someone downward elbow you. Also..... this size comparison is nonsese...... chalmers would be a light heavyweight if he was a boxer/mma fighter. A 180+ pound man is plenty big enough to inflict damage.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Um........ parker did have wade and lebron on him..........

If you thought that elbow was no big deal, youre probably not very familiar with physical contact. Stand up with your hands above your head and let someone downward elbow you. Also..... this size comparison is nonsese...... chalmers would be a light heavyweight if he was a boxer/mma fighter. A 180+ pound man is plenty big enough to inflict damage.

You are insane if you think a elbow in the rib from fucking Mario Chalmers is worse than a punch in the penis twice from a 7 foot player. Craziness. And yes I've been elbowed in the mouth and stomach. I'd rather them both than a punch in the dick by a 7 foot physical animal like Ibaka.

Parker should've hit his free throws either way. Lebron is a animal, But let's get real, a great true PG should always dominate the heat. PG's and centers are their weakness. God are they lucky they haven't had to face any in the playoffs until this one series.

[Jdm94Coupe]

And Parker should be able to go past both of them with his quickness and ability to use the pick and roll to its fullest.

But I have faith in him, he will come back fierce as great guards do.

[Vteckidd]

ibaka, accident....... LMFAO. Do you guys watch OKC's games? He's top 3 in the NBA of DIRTY players.

And don't get me wrong, i call it how i see it. CP3 is also one of the dirtiest players in the NBA as well.

Actually watching it AGAIN, the first one is 100% intentional, Ibaka should have been hit with a tech if not a tech 2 and suspended a game. The second time, I saw it, I was more the impression that it was accidental because Perkins hits him in the arm and forces his fist forward.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Actually watching it AGAIN, the first one is 100% intentional, Ibaka should have been hit with a tech if not a tech 2 and suspended a game. The second time, I saw it, I was more the impression that it was accidental because Perkins hits him in the arm and forces his fist forward.

But on the second one, watch how far he extended his arm after he was SLIGHTLY pushed from the back. How many times have you played basketball, if you get pushed in the back that's not the reaction you make. It was just as intentional as the first in my eyes. And it just so happens to be against the same person, very unlikely they both aren't intentional.

But the NBA has its favorites, and favorite teams. He should've been suspended for game 5.

But oh well I guess......

[Jdm94Coupe]

I think it was planned by both Ibaka AND Perkins, they immediately took Blake out of that game too. But that's what happens with him. Probably the next thing in his game he will work on.

Anyway, who takes game 3? I'm going to twin peaks if you'll wanna come too.....

[Sinfix_15]

Game 3

Tony Parker turns up for 30+

Spurs win a nail biter

Spurs 105 Heat 103

[Jdm94Coupe]

Game 3

Tony Parker turns up for 30+

Spurs win a nail biter

Spurs 105 Heat 103

I say heat 101 spurs 96

i say bosh/wade combine for 40 and james tosses in 25-30 himself.

[Vteckidd]

I'm going other way. Heat win big 105 -90 .

[Sinfix_15]

Spurs look like nba jam tonight

[Sinfix_15]

I'm going other way. Heat win big 105 -90 .
Hold your horses

[Jdm94Coupe]

Great team win

[Sinfix_15]

Spurs should be up 3-0 right now.......


Spurs in 5.

Spurs will win game 4 before closing out a demoralized heat team in game 5

[Jdm94Coupe]

Spurs should be up 3-0 right now.......


Spurs in 5.

Spurs will win game 4 before closing out a demoralized heat team in game 5

Yep it's over. The championship goes back west

[Vteckidd]

Ehh I dont think so. Look at the boxscore. The Heat were CLEARLY gassed tonight, they looked lost on defense, no urgency, LBJ has 7 TO?

Despite all that Miami shot 52% from the field and 48% from 3 (same as SAS, 20 vs 21 attempts)

total FG attempts were almost tied 64SAS vs 62MIA

FTs +8 for the spurs

Pts in the paint and Rebs almost IDENTICAL.


Spurs will NOT shoot that way again. MIami wont look that flacid again. I expect Miami to win game 4. I thought they would have been charged up for tonight, but they werent. I also expect Cole to start over Chalmers.

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Game 4

Both teams play like its game 7, but this time around the spurs tank is still full.

Spurs win a nail biter behind Parker and Leonard

Spurs 99 Heat 95

[Vteckidd]

I just don't see LBJ going down 3-1. If anything I see it going back to SAS 2-2 and SAS closing game 6

[Sinfix_15]

I think the series is decided tonight. The longer this series goes, the more it will tilt to the heat. The spurs wont win a game 6 in miami and i dont think a game 7 is in thier best interest. They need to win tonight.......

And i think thats exactly what theyre gonna do.theyve got to keep thier foot on lebrons throat. Spurs win tonight and the dejected heat will not answer the bell

[ISAtlanta300]

I think the series is decided tonight. The longer this series goes, the more it will tilt to the heat. The spurs wont win a game 6 in miami and i dont think a game 7 is in thier best interest. They need to win tonight.......

And i think thats exactly what theyre gonna do.theyve got to keep thier foot on lebrons throat. Spurs win tonight and the dejected heat will not answer the bell

This. The Spurs know what to do now and how to shut the Heat down. I just hope they keep their 3 pointers on check.

[Vteckidd]

If Spurs win tonight its over. For sure, without a doubt.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Okay so that's it? Spurs in 5?

[Vteckidd]

Okay so that's it? Spurs in 5?

No, I still feel its Spurs in 7

[Jdm94Coupe]

Interesting.....

[Vteckidd]

Miami wins tonight, easily.

[Vteckidd]

Never seen Miami look this unenthusiastic.

Just lazy

Wade looks 80 years old

[Sinfix_15]

Mismatch the man said.

Spurs in 5 he preached.

Im not surprised. I expected this.

Ill be $650 richer soon.

[Sinfix_15]

Miami wins tonight, easily.

Hold those horses again

[Sinfix_15]

Spurs in 5. The old team is going to make the heat look old. Its gonna look like the old cavs this year. Spurs bigs got better, bad news for bosh. Leonard is gonna annoy lebron, heat role players arent gonna shoot lights out from 3 again. Wade's knees arent gonna finish the climb.

Say what

[Jdm94Coupe]

off season time.......

[Vteckidd]

Say what

:goodjob:

[Jdm94Coupe]

:goodjob:

What's next? Spurs three peat?

[Vteckidd]

Nah west is too competitive for that, and I Still dont think Miami is done.

Depends where Melo/LBJ land, and Love.

[Sinfix_15]

If the landscape stays the same, spurs repeat.

They made it very clear that theyre the class of the nba.

Who knows whats gonna happen tho.... lbj or melo to a team lije the bulls or clips would flip the script

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Most dominant win in nba finals history?

[Jdm94Coupe]

Nah west is too competitive for that, and I Still dont think Miami is done.

Depends where Melo/LBJ land, and Love.

What's your opinion on where those three will land?


If the landscape stays the same, spurs repeat.

They made it very clear that theyre the class of the nba.

Who knows whats gonna happen tho.... lbj or melo to a team lije the bulls or clips would flip the script

What do you think? Spurs played three teams, think they will be better than ALL the other teams as well next year?

Obviously a lot depends on who matches up with who...... But you think the spurs can't be beat next year again?

[Sinfix_15]

What's your opinion on where those three will land?



What do you think? Spurs played three teams, think they will be better than ALL the other teams as well next year?

Obviously a lot depends on who matches up with who...... But you think the spurs can't be beat next year again?

I think the spurs youth have a lot of room to grow. The system is perfect. If the big 3 stay healthy, no reason to believe anything will be different. The spurs are the most cemented team in the league right now, only injury can derail them. The mixture of youth and experience on the spurs is potent.

On to the heat..... lebron is a smart guy, he knows that miami is out classed. Theyre big fish in a small pond in the east.... but theres 3-4 teams out west that would have beat them. Lebron has no loyalties to anyone but himself, if wade and bosh take paycuts enough for miami to land a pg, lbj stays. If not...... that ship sails. Lbj aint taking a pay cut and hes not gonna "run it back" with the same squad. This was the most dominant demolition in finals history. You either make changes or fold your hand.

Call me crazy......... i see lebron in chicago. Drose, noah, lbj...

[Vteckidd]

Yes if Miami reups and stays in Miami untouched, Melo stays in Chicago. Spurs resign Mills/Diaw then I would say odds are on Spurs to repeat. Its the 1 thing they havent done.

My gut feeling:
2 BIG WHAT IF Scenarios:

Scenario 1:
Melo/LBJ Opt in. Wade is unwilling to take less money, Bosh is too, and LBJ cant be seen bolting because he lost in the finals, not yet. he opts in and gives it 1 more go , collects 20 million, hopes Riley can work some magic and Arison will go over the luxury tax. Melo stays in NY for 1 more year. They look toward 2015 .......

Scenario 2:
LBJ convinces Wade(with Riley) that hes not a 20 million dollar player anymore. Hes got to take a long term contract and restructure. LBJ Deserves 20 million, Wade at this point in his career does not. Bosh takes a pay cut as well. They do something like 18/14/10 or something of that nature for all three. They sign another 2-3 major pieces (Lowry, Gortat, Blatche, etc) and they compete.

Melo lands somewhere else. My guess would be Houston because they dont have to gut their team to get him. They can trade Parsons and Im sure NY would take back ASik and someone would take Lins expiring, maybe even NY to sell some tickets.

Bulls i think have ZERO shot at Melo.

[Jdm94Coupe]

If the landscape stays the same, spurs repeat.

They made it very clear that they're the class of the nba.

Who knows whats gonna happen tho.... lbj or melo to a team like the bulls or clips would flip the script

The spurs beat Dallas in the first round (8th seed), Portland in the 2nd round, and OKC in the West Finals. Do you feel that no other team could've possibly beat them this season? How far do you think the entire west is behind them?

Golden State? Houston? Clippers? Memphis?

Me personally, I think it has to always be brought up that certain teams play certain teams well. I don't think houston has to necessarily bring a player like melo or lebron to push them over the top. and so forth for most of the Western conference teams.

The spurs are #1 right now and will be until somebody takes it from them. I agree, but I don't think its as cut and dry as you think. I'm not sure if they will be the #1 overall seed next year, that's been the most important part of their entire history of success in my opinion. I just don't think other teams in the WEST are as far behind as you may think..... miami obviously is, but then again they had the 4th best record in the NBA.


Most dominant win in nba finals history?
No, Spurs over Cleveland in 2007. They played with Cleveland and not one second did anybody think they would ever get close, and they didn't.


I think the spurs youth have a lot of room to grow. The system is perfect. If the big 3 stay healthy, no reason to believe anything will be different. The spurs are the most cemented team in the league right now, only injury can derail them. The mixture of youth and experience on the spurs is potent.

On to the heat..... lebron is a smart guy, he knows that miami is out classed. Theyre big fish in a small pond in the east.... but theres 3-4 teams out west that would have beat them. Lebron has no loyalties to anyone but himself, if wade and bosh take paycuts enough for miami to land a pg, lbj stays. If not...... that ship sails. Lbj aint taking a pay cut and hes not gonna "run it back" with the same squad. This was the most dominant demolition in finals history. You either make changes or fold your hand.

Call me crazy......... i see lebron in chicago. Drose, noah, lbj...

Yea I'm going to call you crazy, lol. Going to Chicago, ummm NO!

Bosh would be great there though!!!!! In my opinion

I don't think the spurs have room to grow, they are as connected as a team, coaching staff, and organization as you can possibly be. They will stay idle, the rest of the West will try to get to a level to take it away from them and send Duncan on his way. (which won't ever be easy)


Yes if Miami reups and stays in Miami untouched, Melo stays in Chicago. Spurs resign Mills/Diaw then I would say odds are on Spurs to repeat. Its the 1 thing they havent done.

My gut feeling:
2 BIG WHAT IF Scenarios:

Scenario 1:
Melo/LBJ Opt in. Wade is unwilling to take less money, Bosh is too, and LBJ cant be seen bolting because he lost in the finals, not yet. he opts in and gives it 1 more go , collects 20 million, hopes Riley can work some magic and Arison will go over the luxury tax. Melo stays in NY for 1 more year. They look toward 2015 .......

Scenario 2:
LBJ convinces Wade(with Riley) that hes not a 20 million dollar player anymore. Hes got to take a long term contract and restructure. LBJ Deserves 20 million, Wade at this point in his career does not. Bosh takes a pay cut as well. They do something like 18/14/10 or something of that nature for all three. They sign another 2-3 major pieces (Lowry, Gortat, Blatche, etc) and they compete.

Melo lands somewhere else. My guess would be Houston because they dont have to gut their team to get him. They can trade Parsons and Im sure NY would take back ASik and someone would take Lins expiring, maybe even NY to sell some tickets.

Bulls i think have ZERO shot at Melo.

I think people are missing a big key. Going to houston doesn't make you the favorite in the WEST. You still have NO PG, NO leader, and play TERRIBLE defense as a team. I mean let's remember, they lost to Portland in the first round. Melo would give them what they already have, scoring. Not to mention he would be losing money to play with beverly and lin, not 2 PG's you would want to play with. Nobody wants lin's 15 million dollar contract. If wade isn't worth 20, what makes you think anybody wants lin's 15? And BTW, melo loves the big show, the big lights, houston is far from that....... but who knows, maybe they can convince him that they would be front runners to win it all. I still think they would be behind OKC, Spurs, and the clippers too.(we kill houston every time we play them, clean sweep) Dwight is a joke and harden hasn't guarded a player since they played kobe in the playoffs when he was in OKC.

I think the Bulls have the biggest chance other than the Knicks. With miami, houston, and the clippers being a long shot.





Now what about Love to GS, where does that take them?

And im interested in who doc is looking to acquire, now that granger, big baby, and collision will be opting out....... he knows something we don't. lol .......

[Jdm94Coupe]

Why do I have some feeling kobe isn't going to be a laker forever? Is it just me?

[Jdm94Coupe]

Melo's best chance to win a championship(s)......

1. clippers
2. bulls
3. miami
4. houston
5. knicks

and im sorry, depending on how ballmer feels after the sale goes through ......(hopefully in july) he should open up that fat wallet too!.... if brooklyn's owner doesn't mind going over the cap for a team we all knew had no shot to win a championship..... melo is a GREAT reason to go over.... plus im sure perkins/pierce/garnett/ or ray allen wouldn't mind playing for doc again for the cheap cheap, lol..... im sure one of them will be on the roster soon enough



Houston's best shot to win in my opinion would be to call BOSTON and acquire Rondo..... THEN you're cooking with HOT GREASE! lol

[Sinfix_15]

The spurs beat Dallas in the first round (8th seed), Portland in the 2nd round, and OKC in the West Finals. Do you feel that no other team could've possibly beat them this season? How far do you think the entire west is behind them?

Golden State? Houston? Clippers? Memphis?

Me personally, I think it has to always be brought up that certain teams play certain teams well. I don't think houston has to necessarily bring a player like melo or lebron to push them over the top. and so forth for most of the Western conference teams.

The spurs are #1 right now and will be until somebody takes it from them. I agree, but I don't think its as cut and dry as you think. I'm not sure if they will be the #1 overall seed next year, that's been the most important part of their entire history of success in my opinion. I just don't think other teams in the WEST are as far behind as you may think..... miami obviously is, but then again they had the 4th best record in the NBA.


No, Spurs over Cleveland in 2007. They played with Cleveland and not one second did anybody think they would ever get close, and they didn't.



Yea I'm going to call you crazy, lol. Going to Chicago, ummm NO!

Bosh would be great there though!!!!! In my opinion

I don't think the spurs have room to grow, they are as connected as a team, coaching staff, and organization as you can possibly be. They will stay idle, the rest of the West will try to get to a level to take it away from them and send Duncan on his way. (which won't ever be easy)



I think people are missing a big key. Going to houston doesn't make you the favorite in the WEST. You still have NO PG, NO leader, and play TERRIBLE defense as a team. I mean let's remember, they lost to Portland in the first round. Melo would give them what they already have, scoring. Not to mention he would be losing money to play with beverly and lin, not 2 PG's you would want to play with. Nobody wants lin's 15 million dollar contract. If wade isn't worth 20, what makes you think anybody wants lin's 15? And BTW, melo loves the big show, the big lights, houston is far from that....... but who knows, maybe they can convince him that they would be front runners to win it all. I still think they would be behind OKC, Spurs, and the clippers too.(we kill houston every time we play them, clean sweep) Dwight is a joke and harden hasn't guarded a player since they played kobe in the playoffs when he was in OKC.

I think the Bulls have the biggest chance other than the Knicks. With miami, houston, and the clippers being a long shot.





Now what about Love to GS, where does that take them?

And im interested in who doc is looking to acquire, now that granger, big baby, and collision will be opting out....... he knows something we don't. lol .......

You dont think Leonard has room to grow? He looks like scottie pippen 2.0 to me and judging from his progression offensively thus far, he could develope into a serious iso threat. I personally dont see a ceiling for that kid.

I think out west its the spurs thunder and then everyone else. As is, no team outside of the thunder are on the spurs level. Thunder are coached too poorly to win a championship.

I think the spurs will be better next year than they were this year. I think they will be title favorites year round and repeat.

The rockets clips warriors and blazers are probably all 1 piece away from being major players, but its always easier said than done. The spurs werent created overnight.

If the heat stay as they are, theyre playing to hang eastern conf titles in the rafters. The heat were the 3rd-4th best team in the nba this year.

[Jdm94Coupe]

You dont think Leonard has room to grow? He looks like scottie pippen 2.0 to me and judging from his progression offensively thus far, he could develope into a serious iso threat. I personally dont see a ceiling for that kid.

I think out west its the spurs thunder and then everyone else. As is, no team outside of the thunder are on the spurs level. Thunder are coached too poorly to win a championship.

I think the spurs will be better next year than they were this year. I think they will be title favorites year round and repeat.

The rockets clips warriors and blazers are probably all 1 piece away from being major players, but its always easier said than done. The spurs werent created overnight.

If the heat stay as they are, theyre playing to hang eastern conf titles in the rafters. The heat were the 3rd-4th best team in the nba this year.

Leonard is GREAT and will continue to get better. I can't say the same for the rest of the entire team.

I think there were 4 clear cut title contenders this year.

Spurs
OKC
Clippers
Heat

All of which i think will get better and will continue to build.

Houston/Portland don't seem to be contenders to me.

golden state will be the only team i think that will be a contender for next years title.(if they get love) houston isnt ready yet......

[Jdm94Coupe]

clippers are more than one piece away..... i just think doc knows his team and what they need.... he's in charge and makes the decisions. thats extremely valuable. lets see where it goes.....

because collison, granger, and big baby are gone......

[Sinfix_15]

clippers are more than one piece away..... i just think doc knows his team and what they need.... he's in charge and makes the decisions. thats extremely valuable. lets see where it goes.....

because collison, granger, and big baby are gone......

I just cant take a team built around blake griffin seriously. I view him about like tony romo. I view the rockets blazers and clips as equals on tier 2 of the western conf.

Not really taking the warriors serious with or without love.

[Jdm94Coupe]

I just cant take a team built around blake griffin seriously. I view him about like tony romo. I view the rockets blazers and clips as equals on tier 2 of the western conf.

Not really taking the warriors serious with or without love.

What team you know is built around Blake griffin? The clippers are Built around the all nba first team PG. Rockets were swept by the clippers and so were the blazers. View it how you want. If you make the top tier 2 teams and the rest of the west as teir 2, that's on you. Just know every season is different. I'm sure sterling won't be apart of the 2015 season either..... Who knows what will happen, the nba is a league of matchups in the playoffs.

[Sinfix_15]

What team you know is built around Blake griffin? The clippers are Built around the all nba first team PG. Rockets were swept by the clippers and so were the blazers. View it how you want. If you make the top tier 2 teams and the rest of the west as teir 2, that's on you. Just know every season is different. I'm sure sterling won't be apart of the 2015 season either..... Who knows what will happen, the nba is a league of matchups in the playoffs.

Last i heard, sterlings doctor declared him mentally incompetent, so hes out of the decision making process.

I think the blazers are on the rise. Lillard is only gonna get better. LMA is already a force.

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So espn insider lists san antonio as lebrons top destination and they seem to be trying to push that idea....... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah right.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Last i heard, sterlings doctor declared him mentally incompetent, so hes out of the decision making process.

I think the blazers are on the rise. Lillard is only gonna get better. LMA is already a force.

Doc rivers is making the basketball decisions.

The blazers need a lot of pieces, and depending on who they play lillard is ineffective against us and honestly lma is nothing the clippers fear. They definitely need more pieces of they meet us, we crush them every time we play them. It's clear the difference between cp3 and lillard.


So espn insider lists san antonio as lebrons top destination and they seem to be trying to push that idea....... LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Yeah right.

Why would he want to go to San Antonio Texas?

[Sinfix_15]

Doc rivers is making the basketball decisions.

The blazers need a lot of pieces, and depending on who they play lillard is ineffective against us and honestly lma is nothing the clippers fear. They definitely need more pieces of they meet us, we crush them every time we play them. It's clear the difference between cp3 and lillard.



Why would he want to go to San Antonio Texas?

Theres zero chance of lebron going to the spurs. Its funny that espn is talking about it.

Id rather live in SA than Miami..... but i doubt me and lebron have that in common. Besides, when ur as rich as lebron, you dint live anywhere, you live everywhere.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Theres zero chance of lebron going to the spurs. Its funny that espn is talking about it.

Id rather live in SA than Miami..... but i doubt me and lebron have that in common. Besides, when ur as rich as lebron, you dint live anywhere, you live everywhere.

Each team plays 41 home and 41 away. 50 in your conference and 32 in the other conference. Lebron would never want to play half the season in San Antonio Texas. End of that story.

[Vteckidd]

I think the Clippers are 1 piece away. 1 REALLY GOOD Small Forward away. Blake and CP3 cant be the focus of their team, it has to be a MELO type guy. Name me the guard that CP3 can depend on or the PNR Big he can really count on?

He doesnt have one, and that is why Ill never take them seriously until they get a stretch 4 or SF of Melos caliber. Griffin is a tremendous talent, and hes gotten that Jumper down, but its EASY to defend in the playoffs when you can commit 1 guy to stopping him thats as athletic as he is (Ibaka). He will still get his points, but as long as the other team stays close, the Clippers have NO CLOSER. They need that guy that can carry them and shoot off the dribble, BG is not that guy. if you watch him play, you cant possibly think hes as good as LMA or Love (more athletic, YES) but not a BETTER player overall. hes an ELITE athlete. But hes not getting you the game winning bucket when you need it.

CP3 is just too small and he doesnt have the athleticism of Rose to explode and go up. hes got elite handles and passing but he needs off ball movement from his players to thrive. He makes Reddick look GREAT, he needs more guys like that. Personally I would trade Melo straight up for BG. you can get away with a rebounding PF and a Melo vs BG and no real SF. I Just think Melos game fits the clippers style more than BG. BG needs to go to a team like OKC or Houston , run and gun, not offensive set, street ball with elite outside shooters.

Clippers dont have any ELITE outside shooters. Crawford and Reddick are GREAT shooters, but you arent trusting them in crunch time. Too streaky. Im talking ELITE like Melo,WB, KD, Harden, Klay, etc

Clippers I think will look hard at maybe a Parsons (if melo goes to Houston). Parsons would be phenomenal in the clippers system.


Oh and ZERO shot LBJ leaves Miami. He either opts in for 1 more year, or signs a longer extension because Wade takes less money

[Sinfix_15]

Melo to the bulls. Book it

[Vteckidd]

Carmelo Inquiring About Life In Chicago - RealGM Wiretap (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233860/Carmelo-Inquiring-About-Life-In-Chicago)

I Just cant see that being a smart decision. They will gut their team to get him. Im not saying he WONT do it, but I dont think its smart. They WILL HAVE TO

Amnesty Boozer
Trade Taj Gibson and 1 other player to even have enough room to sign Melo.
Is Melo going to risk his career on D Rose knees?

If Rose is DONE, their lineup would be:

Noah
Melo
???
???
???

Kirk HInrich? DJ Augustin? Tony Snell ? LOL

They have the 16 and 19 picks, but cmon.........

[Sinfix_15]

Carmelo Inquiring About Life In Chicago - RealGM Wiretap (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233860/Carmelo-Inquiring-About-Life-In-Chicago)

I Just cant see that being a smart decision. They will gut their team to get him. Im not saying he WONT do it, but I dont think its smart. They WILL HAVE TO

Amnesty Boozer
Trade Taj Gibson and 1 other player to even have enough room to sign Melo.
Is Melo going to risk his career on D Rose knees?

If Rose is DONE, their lineup would be:

Noah
Melo
???
???
???

Kirk HInrich? DJ Augustin? Tony Snell ? LOL

They have the 16 and 19 picks, but cmon.........

Rose-melo-lebron-noah-???


Lebron opts out. The plot thickens

[Vteckidd]

Not really. He was never opting in. Be interesting to see what wade does now. Pressure on him

[Sinfix_15]

Not really. He was never opting in. Be interesting to see what wade does now. Pressure on him

I stand by my original prediction, if wade and bosh dont take cuts, lbj walks.........

To chicago.

[Vteckidd]

Never Chicago. Chicago isnt even preparing for him , they wont pitch him, they want melo.

He doesnt go back to Miami, CLE is the only other option in the east IMO.

Wade could opt in and I could see LBJ staying, but they would have to trade Bosh

[Jdm94Coupe]

If Lebron leaves miami he will be a clipper. He will join his best friend in Los Angeles.

The pressure is on Riley and wade!!!!

Also if melo goes to Chicago, that will be a MAJOR factor in lebrons decision. Melo to the bulls means lebrons heat team won't be able to beat that team. He knows it..... That will almost force him to leave!

But. If melo goes west that changes things for lebron too.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

Lebron won't play for that owner again. And he wouldn't sign with the clippers until ballmer owns the team......

[Jdm94Coupe]

Knicks and mavs trade...... What u guys think?

[Vteckidd]

If Lebron leaves miami he will be a clipper. He will join his best friend in Los Angeles.

The pressure is on Riley and wade!!!!


I would rank his options as:
Miami
Cleveland (LONG SHOT)
Clippers (Longer Shot)

I dont think hes interested in going anywhere else. West has to be at the bottom of his list. Why go west, yeah hes buddies with CP3 and respects Doc, but the West is BRUTAL.


Also if melo goes to Chicago, that will be a MAJOR factor in lebrons decision. Melo to the bulls means lebrons heat team won't be able to beat that team. He knows it..... That will almost force him to leave!

But. If melo goes west that changes things for lebron too.....

Disagree. I think the Heat come back INTACT and they still are favored over a Melo lead Bulls mainly because we dont know what happens with Rose. They POTENTIALLY have the better team, but Rose <= Wade, Bosh and Noah are kind of even in terms of production, LBJ> Melo

Bulls have to GUT their team to get Melo, they will NOT HAVE BOOZER , TAJ GIBSON, AND 1 other player.

[Vteckidd]

Knicks and mavs trade...... What u guys think?

blah

I dont understand it really, def makes the Mavs better, but 2 draft picks and all that?

[Jdm94Coupe]

I would rank his options as:
Miami
Cleveland (LONG SHOT)
Clippers (Longer Shot)

I dont think hes interested in going anywhere else. West has to be at the bottom of his list. Why go west, yeah hes buddies with CP3 and respects Doc, but the West is BRUTAL.



Disagree. I think the Heat come back INTACT and they still are favored over a Melo lead Bulls mainly because we dont know what happens with Rose. They POTENTIALLY have the better team, but Rose <= Wade, Bosh and Noah are kind of even in terms of production, LBJ> Melo

Bulls have to GUT their team to get Melo, they will NOT HAVE BOOZER , TAJ GIBSON, AND 1 other player.

I think one thing a lot of people don't know about black men, we don't take kindly to white people disrespecting us. He will never go to Cleveland again as long as they have the same owner. Same with the clippers, he would never sign until ballmer is the official owner. The west isn't brutal when you have the best pg and SF in the nba.

If melo goes to Chicago, they would be better even if rose didn't play. Taj wouldn't have to leave, boozer would.

Wade is done and they can't keep playing bosh out of position. And the east is rapidly catching up to them.... They are old and slow. Miami was the 4th best team THIS season. They stay together, they will be worse than 4th next season. The nba is rapidly building their teams.... Lebron will be smart....

But his decision comes after melo signs, wade and bosh decide, and Riley makes some moves and smart drafts.

[Sinfix_15]

Trust me........ white ppl know all about black men and what theyre offended by..... so does every other race on the planet. Weve all been getting the daily memo for most of our lives. I know more about what offends black ppl than i do my own family.

[Sinfix_15]

One thing that hasnt been talked about is if draft position will be a factor. Maybe lebron would want to mentor a young wiggins or jabari parker. This years draft is special

[Jdm94Coupe]

Trust me........ white ppl know all about black men and what theyre offended by..... so does every other race on the planet. Weve all been getting the daily memo for most of our lives. I know more about what offends black ppl than i do my own family.

Based on that letter, white people didn't send the memo to the cavs owner. He's still paying for that childish slave mentality letter to this day and probably for the next 10 years too.

And bad choice not taking Parker, they will regret that decision too!

[Jdm94Coupe]

One thing that hasnt been talked about is if draft position will be a factor. Maybe lebron would want to mentor a young wiggins or jabari parker. This years draft is special

Over cp3, lol. God father to his son man, he doesn't care about some young kid going to Cleveland or the bucks.

If he leaves the heat, there's only one option.

[Sinfix_15]

Based on that letter, white people didn't send the memo to the cavs owner. He's still paying for that childish slave mentality letter to this day and probably for the next 10 years too.

And bad choice not taking Parker, they will regret that decision too!

Black ppl think everything has to do with racism. You cant just be an asshole.... it has to be racist. Ironically, the most easily offended are also the most offensive. We have to walk on eggshells for black ppl as they bounce around like a bull in a china shop.

Moving on..

Jabari to the bucks..... that sucks.

Cavs follow up anthony bennet by passing on parker.... maybe they didnt deserve lebron.

[Sinfix_15]

Smart to the celts, will rondo be on the block soon?

[Sinfix_15]

Well thats that. Heat in the finals again next year.

Drafted an upgrade at pg and looks like theyre freeing up cap space

[Vteckidd]

JCRAW trying to play for every team

Report: Clippers dangling Jamal Crawford in sign-and-trade | ProBasketballTalk (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/03/report-clippers-dangling-jamal-crawford-in-sign-and-trade/)

[Sammich]

Carmelo Inquiring About Life In Chicago - RealGM Wiretap (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233860/Carmelo-Inquiring-About-Life-In-Chicago)

I Just cant see that being a smart decision. They will gut their team to get him. Im not saying he WONT do it, but I dont think its smart. They WILL HAVE TO

Amnesty Boozer
Trade Taj Gibson and 1 other player to even have enough room to sign Melo.
Is Melo going to risk his career on D Rose knees?

If Rose is DONE, their lineup would be:

Noah
Melo
???
???
???

Kirk HInrich? DJ Augustin? Tony Snell ? LOL

They have the 16 and 19 picks, but cmon.........

BOOZER IS FUCKING TRASH!!!!!!!!! we still have butler...Gibson..i'm up in the air, but i rather him not leave. The team is built on defense...it's like everyone plays defense except Boozer....all they need is a solid nightly scorer

[Jdm94Coupe]

JCRAW trying to play for every team

Report: Clippers dangling Jamal Crawford in sign-and-trade | ProBasketballTalk (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/03/report-clippers-dangling-jamal-crawford-in-sign-and-trade/)

no he's trying to get the deal he deserves before teams say he's "too old to make that much" ..... because let's be honest.... he HAS and DOES deserve more money. With the hawks, portland, clippers etc he has notoriously been heavily underpaid for his contributions to a team. I'm so sick of people saying "he doesn't play any defense" ..... well i watch A LOT of NBA, and NEVER..... I MEAN NEVER, have I watched a game and said...... crawford's getting killed tonight, take him out........

so he's not a defensive specialist? Who cares? Neither is "melo" or harden..... but he definitely deserves more if a player like lin can make what he makes........

but the only way he leaves is in a sign and trade for Lebron from Miami.

He's under contract one more season, and Doc will give him more money next year or trade him then. He doesn't wanna lose Crawfords scoring ability and the fact he's cheap $ on your roster.... lets see what happens!


BOOZER IS FUCKING TRASH!!!!!!!!! we still have butler...Gibson..i'm up in the air, but i rather him not leave. The team is built on defense...it's like everyone plays defense except Boozer....all they need is a solid nightly scorer

i agree. boozer sucks, but everyone's ALWAYS knew that.... just NOT bulls people.......

you guys REALLY need bosh over pretty much everybody (with the exception of lebron.... who we knows will never play for the damn bulls)...... what he would do for your team would do WONDERS!

Let's start looking for teams to hop on Bosh right after melo decides what he's going to do. Miami's not gonna be able to pay him 5 years/90 million......

[Vteckidd]

Crawford is a 1 trick pony. Hes a poor poor mans Carmelo. He only does 1 thing REALLY good and he doesnt do that very well either. Hes a scorer, a STREAKY scorer. Hes not athletic, he doesnt rebound, hes a ball stopper, he has VERY low BBall IQ, hes really a specialist and thats why EVERY team has no problem renting him for a few years and then letting him go.

Hes just not a difference maker, theres 100 guys in the league like him. hes a less tempermental JR SMITH. A better shooter too, but not by a lot.

Still think its all a rouse. Melo back to KNICKS, if hes going to play for a bad team, why play for the team that will have NO CAP space next year (LAKERS).

LBJ, Cavs are a nice story, but still think he and Riley are colluding into something bigger. Ill let it play out before I say what it means but I think they are forcing people out without being the bad guy.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Crawford is a 1 trick pony. Hes a poor poor mans Carmelo. He only does 1 thing REALLY good and he doesnt do that very well either. Hes a scorer, a STREAKY scorer. Hes not athletic, he doesnt rebound, hes a ball stopper, he has VERY low BBall IQ, hes really a specialist and thats why EVERY team has no problem renting him for a few years and then letting him go.

Hes just not a difference maker, theres 100 guys in the league like him. hes a less tempermental JR SMITH. A better shooter too, but not by a lot.

Still think its all a rouse. Melo back to KNICKS, if hes going to play for a bad team, why play for the team that will have NO CAP space next year (LAKERS).

LBJ, Cavs are a nice story, but still think he and Riley are colluding into something bigger. Ill let it play out before I say what it means but I think they are forcing people out without being the bad guy.

i suppose you didnt watch much crawford this year with the clippers? He's a sixth man homie, not a starting SG in the nba. he is heavily underpaid for his instant scoring and play making ability.... he had a lot of high assist games this past season. he averages over 18ppg OFF THE BENCH for the highest scoring team in the league.

let's stop acting like the clippers have ANY scoring issues....

their issues are in the 3-4-5 positions.... their defensive weaknesses, FT shooting and overall TOUGHNESS.... once that goes away they will go far... if they stay soft in the paint they will continue to lose....

name the other 100 guys like crawford in the NBA. i can't think of one, especially not off anybodys bench.....

[Vteckidd]

i suppose you didnt watch much crawford this year with the clippers? He's a sixth man homie, not a starting SG in the nba. he is heavily underpaid for his instant scoring and play making ability.... he had a lot of high assist games this past season. he averages over 18ppg OFF THE BENCH for the highest scoring team in the league.

Then why are the clippers shopping him if hes such a great player? WHy is he never on a team for longer than like 3 years? Hes EXTREMELY low Basketball IQ. He is a 1 on 1 player, thats it. Hes a great scorer off the bench, hes not a starter because hes not good enough to be 1.

Jamal Crawford is an AND1 Mixtape player, hes not very good at anything else.




their issues are in the 3-4-5 positions.... their defensive weaknesses, FT shooting and overall TOUGHNESS.... once that goes away they will go far... if they stay soft in the paint they will continue to lose....

name the other 100 guys like crawford in the NBA. i can't think of one, especially not off anybodys bench.....

There have been 100 guys like him. JR Smith,Swaggy P, Reddick, Manu, Korver, Lou Williams, Harden, there have been tons of sixth men, or near 6th men who were just like him and get traded and let go. He shoots 41% and 36from 3.

HES A SCORER, HE DOESNT DO MUCH ELSE. Youre a homer, you cant talk bad about him because you wont ever talk bad about the clippers.

3-4-5 are their issues. They have no SF, the 4 is fine, I mean you have MVP BLAKE BRO!!! DJ is about as good as any other C in the league.

No I think your problem is more of the fact that CP3 isnt a game changer. He cant close the deal, and when the game is on the line, you need a closer. Hes not one because hes 6 ft tall.

You need a ELITE SF or Stretch 4. Until they do that, Clippers will get bounced by the far superior teams.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Then why are the clippers shopping him if hes such a great player? WHy is he never on a team for longer than like 3 years? Hes EXTREMELY low Basketball IQ. He is a 1 on 1 player, thats it. Hes a great scorer off the bench, hes not a starter because hes not good enough to be 1.

Jamal Crawford is an AND1 Mixtape player, hes not very good at anything else.





There have been 100 guys like him. JR Smith,Swaggy P, Reddick, Manu, Korver, Lou Williams, Harden, there have been tons of sixth men, or near 6th men who were just like him and get traded and let go. He shoots 41% and 36from 3.

HES A SCORER, HE DOESNT DO MUCH ELSE. Youre a homer, you cant talk bad about him because you wont ever talk bad about the clippers.

3-4-5 are their issues. They have no SF, the 4 is fine, I mean you have MVP BLAKE BRO!!! DJ is about as good as any other C in the league.

No I think your problem is more of the fact that CP3 isnt a game changer. He cant close the deal, and when the game is on the line, you need a closer. Hes not one because hes 6 ft tall.

You need a ELITE SF or Stretch 4. Until they do that, Clippers will get bounced by the far superior teams.

okay skip. call me when you get your own opinion. the conversation will mean more then......

[Vteckidd]

LOL disagree with you and you have 2 responses
1) I dont watch NBA games I only watch SportsCenter
2) You compare me to Skip Bayless.

Come on man be a little more original :)

Look proof is in the pudding. Clippers are 2nd round exits. They are not good in the playoffs. Guys blame the coach, the cast, etc when in reality its a little like what people with basketball IQ see. The Clippers DONT HAVE A CLOSER. CP3 is NOT a closer. BG can NOT hit your game winning shot and he cannot get you a bucket when you REALLY need it. He cant pull up off the dribble.

Crawford is streaky, EVERYONE knows this. If Crawford is SO GREAT how come hes on his 7th team and that team was ACTIVELY shopping him? hes injury prone, hes streaky, and he is a 1 trick pony. Hes a POOR mans Carmelo. He doesnt rebound, he doesnt pass, he doesnt play defense. Hes a 1 on 1 AND1 MIXTAPE scorer. Which is GREAT for a bench player, but it doesnt work well in the playoffs.

The Spurs just showed you what works, its passing and a team game. Clippers need their closer, until they get that, no chips for you

[Jdm94Coupe]

LOL disagree with you and you have 2 responses
1) I dont watch NBA games I only watch SportsCenter
2) You compare me to Skip Bayless.

Come on man be a little more original :)

Look proof is in the pudding. Clippers are 2nd round exits. They are not good in the playoffs. Guys blame the coach, the cast, etc when in reality its a little like what people with basketball IQ see. The Clippers DONT HAVE A CLOSER. CP3 is NOT a closer. BG can NOT hit your game winning shot and he cannot get you a bucket when you REALLY need it. He cant pull up off the dribble.

Crawford is streaky, EVERYONE knows this. If Crawford is SO GREAT how come hes on his 7th team and that team was ACTIVELY shopping him? hes injury prone, hes streaky, and he is a 1 trick pony. Hes a POOR mans Carmelo. He doesnt rebound, he doesnt pass, he doesnt play defense. Hes a 1 on 1 AND1 MIXTAPE scorer. Which is GREAT for a bench player, but it doesnt work well in the playoffs.

The Spurs just showed you what works, its passing and a team game. Clippers need their closer, until they get that, no chips for you

Let's get a few things clear.

1. When you make stupid comment, you get ignored.
2. Great players can win you 1-2 games in a playoff series based on GAMECHANGER play. They DON'T win SERIES for you against ELITE competition.
3. I KNOW 99.9% of what you say about CP3 comes from Skips opinion, even your wording is identical to his..... the difference between you and him is..... he doesn't acknowledge CP3 being a superstar because of what FITS he used to give the REAL spurs teams and the REAL LAKER teams......


Remember............MF....... Remember?


2008 PLAYOFFS..... not a gamechanger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcrdwHcyht8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqtprNCcGNU


2011 PLAYOFFS....... kobe,gasol,bynum,fisher,odom, etc..... not a game changer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVosM5foJxs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYz0bie7HIw




THATS WHY bayless say's he's not a superstar..... he's hit more game winning shots than lebron and carmelo in his career. look it up. im tired of going back and forth on topics already set in stone. he is the best PG in the league, if you say he's not... okay thats fine..... but only a complete idiot would honestly say there are 3 PG's in todays game he would rather have.... Now taking the COMPLETE clipper team? Hell NO i agree.....

Crawford is making 4.25 million dollars. Stop acting like he's not playing considerably more than his worth.....

100 players like him? only one sixth man award given.... he is the best in the game at scoring impact off the bench....nothing more nothing less man. and he doesn't pass? LMAO..... like i said... keep watching the highlights man, i'll keep my league pass up to date.



The clippers lack championship defense. I've said it once and i will say it again. When the defense is Elite they will take the next step. They were the 3-4 Best team in the NBA last year. Defense will make you climb the ladder.

BTW you are arguing offensive points to the best scoring team in the world. How much more ridiculous could you sound?

[Jdm94Coupe]

he's been a game changer and closer for years..... were you knee deep in that NFL-NCAA football crap back in 2011 and before?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ-bFY8ZIgY

the fact remains, you need a complete ROSTER in the NBA. this isn't football, different sport. ask jordan, even his 61 points didn't push him past bird. and i think we can all argue the spurs teams dominance in NBA history.... or a guy named kobe.


but all in all man, the clippers are fine. they are young and upcoming. paul should be on this team for at least 6-7 more years. they should be good for 1-2 rings in those 7 years if doc/paul/blake/jordan all stay and continue building.

[Vteckidd]

hes 29 bro. hes about out of his prime. They arent winning a title in the next 2 years, not with that roster. What moves did they make over Free Agency?

Spurs reloaded
OKC will be better or the same
Blazers are coming

I just dont see them being better than the :
Grizzlies
Spurs
OKC
Blazers

Sorry. They might win the division again and people will be all on their bandwagon, but, they will lose in the 2nd round

[Vteckidd]

he's been a game changer and closer for years..... were you knee deep in that NFL-NCAA football crap back in 2011 and before?


Awesome highlights that resulted in:
NBA 2011 Playoffs:
Lost NBA Western Conference First Round (4-2) versus Los Angeles Lakers

NBA 2010 Playoffs:
Didnt make playoffs

NBA 2009 Playoffs:
Lost NBA Western Conference First Round (4-1) versus Denver Nuggets

NBA 2008 Playoffs:
Lost NBA Western Conference Semifinals (4-3) versus San Antonio Spurs


Chris Paul, the perennial 1st round exit person.

All you Cp3 apologists have made excuses for him, its his team, his coach, his supporting cast, his height etc. I think he is a Top 5 PG. I think he is an ELITE talent. But hes like Melo/Love etc. Lots of stats, no postseason.

[Sinfix_15]

BTW you are arguing offensive points to the best scoring team in the world. How much more ridiculous could you sound?

Umm...... spurs. You need to devalue the regular season bruh... start judginh folks when its actually time to turn up.

Clips arent going to win a title during pauls career. Clips will be a 3 seed next year, fight to the death in rnd 1 and get sprung in rnd 2. Just like last year.

[Sinfix_15]

Spurs put on the offensive clinic of a lifetime vs a team known for its defensive prowess and you have the nerve to call the clips the best offense in the world. Smdh

[Vteckidd]

If the Warriors had Bogut, I would have felt confident about Cp3 losing in the 1st round

[Sinfix_15]

If the Warriors had Bogut, I would have felt confident about Cp3 losing in the 1st round
Same. I feel the clippers woes are so obvious.... i dont see why were debating anything. The only substantial argument that can be made by a clippers fan wil always include the words "wait till next year"

[Jdm94Coupe]

hes 29 bro. hes about out of his prime. They arent winning a title in the next 2 years, not with that roster. What moves did they make over Free Agency?

Spurs reloaded
OKC will be better or the same
Blazers are coming

I just dont see them being better than the :
Grizzlies
Spurs
OKC
Blazers

Sorry. They might win the division again and people will be all on their bandwagon, but, they will lose in the 2nd round

Blazers, lmao!

Bandwagon, lmao. Sad.

[Jdm94Coupe]

If the Warriors had Bogut, I would have felt confident about Cp3 losing in the 1st round

Cp3 losing, lol. Your comments are of the elementary mindset.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Same. I feel the clippers woes are so obvious.... i dont see why were debating anything. The only substantial argument that can be made by a clippers fan wil always include the words "wait till next year"

Idk what there is to debate either. 3rd best team in the league lost to the 2nd best team in the nba, surprise? And golden state did lose to sterlings clippers right? Or was I imagining.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

Umm...... spurs. You need to devalue the regular season bruh... start judginh folks when its actually time to turn up.

Clips arent going to win a title during pauls career. Clips will be a 3 seed next year, fight to the death in rnd 1 and get sprung in rnd 2. Just like last year.

Willing to go as far to say first round exit? $100?

[Jdm94Coupe]

If the Warriors had Bogut, I would have felt confident about Cp3 losing in the 1st round

Forces them to play bigger and slower, easier series for clippers if GS could've went big..... But they lost, so why does it matter? Plus Steve Kerr is coaching there now, no need to worry about them anymore

[Jdm94Coupe]

Spurs put on the offensive clinic of a lifetime vs a team known for its defensive prowess and you have the nerve to call the clips the best offense in the world. Smdh

No, them scoring more points than every NBA team did that. You too dumb to read?

[Jdm94Coupe]

Awesome highlights that resulted in:
NBA 2011 Playoffs:
Lost NBA Western Conference First Round (4-2) versus Los Angeles Lakers

NBA 2010 Playoffs:
Didnt make playoffs

NBA 2009 Playoffs:
Lost NBA Western Conference First Round (4-1) versus Denver Nuggets

NBA 2008 Playoffs:
Lost NBA Western Conference Semifinals (4-3) versus San Antonio Spurs


Chris Paul, the perennial 1st round exit person.

All you Cp3 apologists have made excuses for him, its his team, his coach, his supporting cast, his height etc. I think he is a Top 5 PG. I think he is an ELITE talent. But hes like Melo/Love etc. Lots of stats, no postseason.

I don't make excuses for one player. I speak on the team. Basketball is a team sport..... U do know that right?

Spurs don't win without Duncan, Manu, Parker, AND the rest of the team. One person doesn't win championships, not even Jordan ever won one without having a TEAM.

[Vteckidd]

You argue in circles. I said the clippers won't win. You claim they will because of "player x". I say " player x" isn't the answer . you say its a team sport.

You can't play it both ways.

Blazers added kaman AND Blake? Isn't their front court now Lopez Robinson LMA kaman?

Blazers are a few defensive adjustments away IMO. They have the best pf and IMO a top 3 PG in the west if not the NBA.

[Vteckidd]

I really expect the blazers to take a step forward. They were too green and lillard too young.

Houston, defensively I like ariza for them but I'm not sold on harden/d12.


I don't think the clippers ,if they make no other moves, get better. Their old players got older. If your starting sf is Matt Barnes ......good luck

[Jdm94Coupe]

You argue in circles. I said the clippers won't win. You claim they will because of "player x". I say " player x" isn't the answer . you say its a team sport.

You can't play it both ways.

Blazers added kaman AND Blake? Isn't their front court now Lopez Robinson LMA kaman?

Blazers are a few defensive adjustments away IMO. They have the best pf and IMO a top 3 PG in the west if not the NBA.

I said the clippers would win the championship because of Chris Paul being their point guard? Lmao, okay homie....

Blazers? Okay cool......I'll keep a eye out for them.....

Still looks to be s.a, OKC, and clippers to me.....

[Jdm94Coupe]

I really expect the blazers to take a step forward. They were too green and lillard too young.

Houston, defensively I like ariza for them but I'm not sold on harden/d12.


I don't think the clippers ,if they make no other moves, get better. Their old players got older. If your starting sf is Matt Barnes ......good luck

A step forward, would be the 4th seed.......Matt has started on two finals teams..... Maybe u didn't know.... Dudley isn't easy to move, doc will move him when the deal is right

[Vteckidd]

Barnes is 47 years old maybe you didn't know.

He also had the benefit of playing next to Kobe Pau and bynum .

If I'm the clippers, I would have been trying to trade reddick dudley and jcraw for klay Thompson.

Or

Blake Griffen for klay Thompson and Barnes.

Or jcraw/reddick for Barnes

Something like that.

West peckig order I have it as

SAS
Okc/blazers
Clippers/grizz
GSW/houston

I think LAC are 4th -5th best team in the west.

[Sinfix_15]

No, them scoring more points than every NBA team did that. You too dumb to read?
Spurs offense is vastly superior to LAC. Nobody cares about regular season stats.

Call me when the clips can run a half court offense.... you know.... like teams do who go deep in the playoffs

The clips would have a better offense than the spurs if you could park a hyundai in the paint.

[Vteckidd]

FWIW

I also think the Mavericks might be better than the Clippers. They are RELOADED.

[Jdm94Coupe]

Spurs offense is vastly superior to LAC. Nobody cares about regular season stats.

Call me when the clips can run a half court offense.... you know.... like teams do who go deep in the playoffs

The clips would have a better offense than the spurs if you could park a hyundai in the paint.

It SURE looked so superior against THE EAST. Didn't look so superior against the Mavs, Blazers, and Thunder. Quit being a prisoner of the NBA Finals man. The West produced multiple teams that would've made quick work of the no point guard, and no center miami heat man.

Yes the spurs are a great Franchise. Yes Tim Duncan is the BEST PF in NBA history, yes manu is the best 6th man in nba history and a clutch shot maker and creator, Yes tony parkers quickness and abilty to get to the rim at WILL is unmatched. Yes coach pop is arguably the greatest coach in the history of the game and definitely in the modern era.



BUT


Let's not act like their offense COMPLETELY destroyed the entire WESTERN conference. The SPURS are a GREAT DEFENSIVE team as well, and thats the MAIN reason they got out of the WEST.



And for the last time..... stop acting like the clippers were destroyed in the playoffs. You watched their offense live in Game 5 destroy okc..... the reason they lost that game was their inability as a team to defend on a elite level. Once it comes, the rest is history. Look up their offensive numbers, might surprise you. They are the #1 Offense, its as plain as day in your face. Defense is their problem........


Barnes is 47 years old maybe you didn't know.

He also had the benefit of playing next to Kobe Pau and bynum .

If I'm the clippers, I would have been trying to trade reddick dudley and jcraw for klay Thompson.

Or

Blake Griffen for klay Thompson and Barnes.

Or jcraw/reddick for Barnes

Something like that.

West peckig order I have it as

SAS
Okc/blazers
Clippers/grizz
GSW/houston

I think LAC are 4th -5th best team in the west.


FWIW

I also think the Mavericks might be better than the Clippers. They are RELOADED.

LMAO, I used to respect your basketball knowledge a little bit.

A. Barnes is not 47 years old.
B. Barnes did just about as GOOD as any other defender on Durant's jump shots.
C. Durant and Westbrooks ease at which they got directly to the rim is the reason they lost that series. INTERIOR size, defense, and toughness is the clippers problem.

D. My PERSONAL eyewitness of what CP3 does to certain teams allows me to completely dismiss them. As I will until I see otherwise....

1. Houston.... I went to the city visiting family this past season. OF COURSE I find out the clippers are playing houston while im there. You KNOW I have to go......they simply put, have no answer for Chris Paul OR Blake Griffin, mostly Paul though in this case.... by the way... clean swept this season 4-0 against the silly rockets. They Still have no PG or PF so next year they will still not be better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzWZNax6ngQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IbPIxAoYM

2. Same with portland.....no answer for cp3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Yvsw0mYJI


There will be Three ELITE teams next year JUST like their was this year. San Antonio, Oklahoma City, and the Los Angeles Clippers. No team will have more wins than those three teams. NO TEAM will win the championship if they aren't Cleveland,S.A.,OKC or LAC. The only title contenders next season.





So you can say barnes had the "benefit" of playing next to kobe, pau, and bynum........ really.... now that matters NOW huh? lol, great timing....

[Vteckidd]

Regular season records don't matter. Next.

Mavericks took the champs to game 7. They now had parsons. They have made some nice free agent moves.

Okc got slightly better but I don't like their coach.

Clippers...... They didn't do anything. They addressed nothing.

Matt Barnes is a MEDIOCRE sf and he can't guard Durant if his life depended on it and oh yeah, okc won that series.

Good luck , save you a spot on the couch after the first round lol