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You have blemished the pages of American history for the last time. The rest of the nation and the entire world is looking at you and laughing right now. You are a joke.

Secede yourselves.

Funny how the only parts of town that voted against amendment one were the educated parts of town. The parts with the universities in them.

[PTCDC5]

I'm not laughing at them and neither is "the rest of the nation and the entire world."

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Oh yes they are. The state is full of conservative Christians, who ideologically are against big government, are so uncomfortable with their own sexuality, they had to go out of their way and against their ideals to increase the side of government and ban gay marriage, just so they can feel better about themselves and their precious allegiance to their almighty god. What's next, an amendment banning interracial marriage? Oh wait, they already did that.

[Vteckidd]

I always find it funny how the right wing who is so against big govt telling them how to live, want to tell other people how to live. Ironic.

Its 2012, let the gays get married, is it really that big of a deal? People are entitled to their opinions, but the justification for banning gay marriage is long over with. Its about as stupid as keeping weed illegal.

[Vteckidd]

People who fucked up traditional marriage (HETEROSEXUALS) dont have any room to talk down to the gay population they think will somehow "ruin" marriage.

[CSquared]

This kind of shit to me is just a distraction. I honestly sometimes think its purposeful to keep people ignorant.

"Lets make them argue about some worthless bullshit so they don't focus on all the more serious issues going on in our state/country. How about gays getting married? It has absolutely no impact on their way of life and gives us more time to pointlessly dance around and play tug of war with this whole economy thing. Perfect!"

[Vteckidd]

Obama just became the first president to openly endorse gay marriage a few minutes ago. Good for him, nice to see things moving in the right direction.

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Obama just became the first president to openly endorse gay marriage a few minutes ago. Good for him, nice to see things moving in the right direction.

Political suicide you think? I think the people that don't support marriage equality weren't gonna vote for him anyway. Maybe a push to rally the lazy progressive kids who don't vote?

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Where's BanginJimmy at? Wanna know why I don't like states rights? Because states pass stupid shit like this. If I get gay married in one state that recognizes it, then I drive through NC and get in a car accident and sent to the hospital, guess what? I won't be able to get any benefits from my spouse.

[Sammich]

all i wanna say is the word 'marriage' shouldnt be used in a gay/lesbian union. marriage was instituted as the marriage of a male and female, that's just how i feel about it. other than that, they can do whatever they please

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all i wanna say is the word 'marriage' shouldnt be used in a gay/lesbian union. marriage was instituted as the marriage of a male and female, that's just how i feel about it. other than that, they can do whatever they please

You know about 60 yrs ago, they said the same thing about black marriages and interracial marriages? And they also linked that belief to the bible in the same fashion? Think about that.

It is my opinion that a government, and any laws created by it, should not dictate, or regulate the lives of an individual when it comes to the affectionate feelings and the emotions of love. To ban ones right to marry another is to wage war upon their identity and their ability to show their love for one another. I am disgusted that a nation that prides itself on freedoms of an individual has the audacity, ability, and feeble mindedness to do so.

[Vteckidd]

Its really not that big of a deal. If a guy and a guy want to get married because they love each other, so be it. If two women want to do the same, great for them.

Doest it effect anyones life directly? nope. Does it "DEMEAN" anyones christian values? nope.

I really dont see the big deal anymore.

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Its really not that big of a deal. If a guy and a guy want to get married because they love each other, so be it. If two women want to do the same, great for them.

Doest it effect anyones life directly? nope. Does it "DEMEAN" anyones christian values? nope.

I really dont see the big deal anymore.

You liberal

[Sammich]

You know about 60 yrs ago, they said the same thing about black marriages and interracial marriages? And they also linked that belief to the bible in the same fashion? Think about that.

It is my opinion that a government, and any laws created by it, should not dictate, or regulate the lives of an individual when it comes to the affectionate feelings and the emotions of love. To ban ones right to marry another is to wage war upon their identity and their ability to show their love for one another. I am disgusted that a nation that prides itself on freedoms of an individual has the audacity, ability, and feeble mindedness to do so.

for them to say that minorities aren't male and female is ridiculous, i'm just saying that marriage, in itself is the coming together of a man and a woman, and i believe it should remain as such. like i said i dont have a problem w/ them having a union, i mean, shit that's them it has nothing to do w/ me, just the meaning behind the word marriage and how that institution started, it started as a man and a woman. other than that...gays and lesbos can do as they please

[Vteckidd]

Whats wrong with them getting married? seriously? IS it because your religious views lead you to the belief that Marriage is between a man and a woman? then that is fine, your church doesnt have to marry them. Im ok with that.

Youre basically saying that if they dont believe what you believe they dont get the same treatment. That i do not agree with.

First of all, take marriage out of it, call it a Union, or State Union, whatever. Gay couples should be allowed to apply for civil Unions at the state level, the church should be removed from it. That removes any religious implications IMO.

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for them to say that minorities aren't male and female is ridiculous, i'm just saying that marriage, in itself is the coming together of a man and a woman, and i believe it should remain as such. like i said i dont have a problem w/ them having a union, i mean, shit that's them it has nothing to do w/ me, just the meaning behind the word marriage and how that institution started, it started as a man and a woman. other than that...gays and lesbos can do as they please

Sorry. I cant stand behind you on that bro. Knowing that the origin of marriage was simply for creating a lineage to trade property and cattle. Also knowing the fact that the Christian definition of marriage is unclear itself according to the bible, and that the sanctity of marriage itself is something to be ridiculed. The one man/one woman marriage thing has absolutely nothing going for it factually. Lol. Not to mention, being a minority, my own parents were on the same side of this marriage debacle as gays are, and not to mention, as an atheist, this challenges my OWN marriage. The only thing pulling for one man/one woman marriage is that, traditionally, that's the way we always thought of it. Traditionally, though, 100 years ago, black people ate at separate restaurants. Thats hard to imagine though because we werent alive when that was normal and no one questioned it. Everything evolves, and just like segregation, 60 years from now, us and our childrens children will look back on this and say "damn. Lol. What the fuck were we thinking, trying to stop two people in love from getting married"

[Vteckidd]

i just think there is an easy way around it, just remove the religious implications from it. I mean when two people get married they apply for a state marriage license right? Why does the state care if it is man/woman or man/man or woman/woman?

Also, i think it should be clear that "marriage" should only be between 2 people. No polygamy, no marrying farm animals, etc (which is what the christian right thinks will happen if we allow gay marriage)

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This amendment from what I've seen, bans ALL civil unions. Including heterosexual ones. Only Christian marriages recognized. How's that for separation of church and state? Lol. I think NC just extended its middle finger to the constitution. Lol

[Vteckidd]

Then it should be overturned IMO

so if two Muslims get married its not "recognized"? Can't be true

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I say let em be. The smart people will flee and all that will be left there will be the people that made these laws. These guys

http://img.tapatalk.com/b8249f5e-cdb7-7544.jpg

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This is the bill in text.


http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2011/Bills/Senate/PDF/S514v3.pdf

[Vteckidd]

yeah it doesnt say anything to do with religious preference. it just basically says THEIR definition of marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman only.

If it said 1 person and another, it would be 100% the way it should be IMO. I see no reason to debate this any further. Gay marriage isnt going to "ruin" anything, least of all ''marriage''

[Sammich]

LOL marriage is fukd up anyway

[green91]

I support gays being able to enter in a civil union with equal rights as a married couples. I just dont believe in changing the meaning of "marriage" thats been around for thousands of years for the sake of appeasing a tiny minority of people.

I think its fantastic that Obama has decided to support homosexuals. Now all the Christians complaining about not wanting to vote for a mormon can really question Obama's "christian" values. Should have everyone standing on their heads.

[Vteckidd]

But gays existed thousands of years ago. Whats REALLY the big deal , seriously?

If we change the term of marriage to mean 2 people, whats the big deal? What does it unravel or undue? Does it change Christianity?

What about churches that allow Gay people in their congregation?

[green91]

I really do see your point, i see both sides of the story. I think people should be able to be with whoever they want that makes them happy.

But also from a standpoint of christianity, you can't pick and choose which teachings from the bible you apply to your life and values. If you're a christian, you live by god's word. Not some of his words.

[Vteckidd]

yeah but allowing gays to marry how does that effect christians? Im being serious :P

Christians dont believe in gay marriage, great i get that. No problem. But if 2 gay people get married, how does that change anything christianity teaches?

The state should just allow 2 people to get married, and not try to allow religion into the discussion.

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I support gays being able to enter in a civil union with equal rights as a married couples. I just dont believe in changing the meaning of "marriage" thats been around for thousands of years for the sake of appeasing a tiny minority of people.

I think its fantastic that Obama has decided to support homosexuals. Now all the Christians complaining about not wanting to vote for a mormon can really question Obama's "christian" values. Should have everyone standing on their heads.

No one wanted to change the definition of marriage. Same sex marriage has been going on since before Christianity was Christianity. Lol.

[Vteckidd]

Cheney actually was in favor of gay marriage at the state level

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/06/01/cheney_comes_out_for_gay_marri.html

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Bible thumpers want a law banning gay marriage, everyone else wants the govt to remain NEUTRAL in the matter and uphold the establishment clause of the first amendment. In today's world, the bible thumpers tend to be the louder group and also tend to have more legislative and judicial "pull"

[Vteckidd]

Whats weird is Obama came out in support of Gay Marriage, but then said he still respects the rights of the states to vote on it, in essence, agreeing with what NC did.

32 states IIRC have had a referendum on Gay marriage that has failed to pass so clearly more of the voting public is against it than for it. But, I would like to know why, what is the reasoning? If its the definition of marriage, my question is Indians have special marriage ceremonies, so do Mormons, so do Jewish people so do Muslims etc but that doesnt change the way MARRIAGE relates to christian ceremonies/beliefs right?

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Whats weird is Obama came out in support of Gay Marriage, but then said he still respects the rights of the states to vote on it, in essence, agreeing with what NC did.

32 states IIRC have had a referendum on Gay marriage that has failed to pass so clearly more of the voting public is against it than for it. But, I would like to know why, what is the reasoning? If its the definition of marriage, my question is Indians have special marriage ceremonies, so do Mormons, so do Jewish people so do Muslims etc but that doesnt change the way MARRIAGE relates to christian ceremonies/beliefs right?

I guess Obama is a states rights guy. But its like saying if you think this 90 primered civic is the same thing as a 2012 TSX. You're still an idiot, but I'd respect your right to have an opinion.

All people that are against gay marriage in the US are against it for christian biblical reasons. There is not a single reasonable secular argument against it. Ask ANY person or lawmaker why they're against it and they'll ultimately say "Because that's the way God made it". Studies have shown that other religions are much more tolerant, and that the less important religion is in a country, the more tolerant their people are to gay marriage. The US is the most intolerant country while being one of the most intellectually developed countries in the world.

[Vteckidd]

I guess Obama is a states rights guy.

My fear is this becomes some political football that really is so far down on the list of things we need to focus on.............

People are entitled to their opinions. Obama has been very anti-gay marriage forever, until yesterday. I just dont see why he is getting so much praise now. If i was a Gay Marriage advocate, i would be PISSED. Why didnt he come out in support BEFORE the NC vote? Why wait until now? It doesnt make any sense. Its like he only picks a position when its politically expediant for him, when he can score some cheap points.


All people that are against gay marriage in the US are against it for christian biblical reasons. There is not a single reasonable secular argument against it. Ask ANY person or lawmaker why they're against it and they'll ultimately say "Because that's the way God made it".

ANd that is perfectly fine. People are perfectly entitled to their religious beliefs, but if gays get married, how does that change the christian faith? Thats my point.

If i believe the sky is blue, and someone tells me that its green, it doesnt matter. I KNOW ITS BLUE, I BELIEVE IT IS BLUE, regardless of what anyone else tells me.

Christians are entitled to believing that marriage is for a man and a woman, but why does letting a man and a man or woman and a woman get married change their belief in what marriage should be?

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People are entitled to their opinions. Obama has been very anti-gay marriage forever, until yesterday. I just dont see why he is getting so much praise now. If i was a Gay Marriage advocate, i would be PISSED. Why didnt he come out in support BEFORE the NC vote? Why wait until now? It doesnt make any sense. Its like he only picks a position when its politically expediant for him, when he can score some cheap points.
He's been pretty progressive about it for a long time. He's also said his beliefs and his policies are two separate things, as they should be

http://gma.yahoo.com/timeline-obamas-evolving-same-sex-marriage-162626930--abc-news-politics.html

[Potter]

Just thought I would share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ&feature=bf_next&list=LLxXEo8IJhqf-sm7C-_KfIYA

[blaknoize]

This kind of shit to me is just a distraction. I honestly sometimes think its purposeful to keep people ignorant.

"Lets make them argue about some worthless bullshit so they don't focus on all the more serious issues going on in our state/country. How about gays getting married? It has absolutely no impact on their way of life and gives us more time to pointlessly dance around and play tug of war with this whole economy thing. Perfect!"

Or the NDAA

[BanginJimmy]

Where's BanginJimmy at? Wanna know why I don't like states rights? Because states pass stupid shit like this. If I get gay married in one state that recognizes it, then I drive through NC and get in a car accident and sent to the hospital, guess what? I won't be able to get any benefits from my spouse.

Dont confuse states rights with bible thumper mentality. This is another in a long issues I have with the GOP and why I would never align myself with them. Their fiscal and foreign policies are am typically pretty well in line with. Social issues I am rarely in line with even though I can understand the reasoning behind some of them.


How's that for separation of church and state? Lol. I think NC just extended its middle finger to the constitution. Lol


Please point out anything in our founding documents that say anything about seperation of church and state. And I agree, this is a blatant disregard for that concept, even though it isnt officially recognized. The legal question I have is one that was brought up already and one that I have yet to hear from a lawyer about. How do the anti gay marriage laws affect the Full Faith and Credit Clause? Can these laws be attacked under that clause of the constitution?



Political suicide you think? I think the people that don't support marriage equality weren't gonna vote for him anyway. Maybe a push to rally the lazy progressive kids who don't vote?

I dont know if it is political suicide, but it is a huge gamble. Blacks are a huge factor in Obama's voting base and he needs them to turn out in huge numbers again for him to have a chance at re-election. The gamble comes in when you consider that blacks are the most anti gay demographic if the country. I'm not delusional enough to think they this will change the black vote, but IMO it could lead to large numbers of blacks, especially evangelical ones, staying home on election day. If that happens, Obama is going to be in trouble in many of the swing states that he is going to need, especially Ohio, PA, and Florida. He won NC in '08, I can almost assure you he wont this year, so that is already 1 swing state he lost and I dont see him picking any up.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/homophobia-its-a-black-thing/1175642

[BanginJimmy]

I answered when called out, and I guess I scare away the competition.

[nelson9995]

I always find it funny how the right wing who is so against big govt telling them how to live, want to tell other people how to live. Ironic.

Its 2012, let the gays get married, is it really that big of a deal? People are entitled to their opinions, but the justification for banning gay marriage is long over with. Its about as stupid as keeping weed illegal.

sorry I know this is old... I don't agree with gay marriage and I'm not going to argue why BUT I do agree that weed being illegal is dumb af.

BTW I was at the "Quad" about a month ago and saw 2 gay guys making out, hugging and cuddling next to me... Can't remember the last time I felt that uncomfortable lol.

[BanginJimmy]

sorry I know this is old... I don't agree with gay marriage and I'm not going to argue why BUT I do agree that weed being illegal is dumb af.


So let me get this straight. A mind altering drug should be legal, but 2 guys getting married shouldnt be? Now what is really "dumb as fuck"? Please give me just one way gay marriage affects your life, doesnt even have to be a negative affect, just any effect on your life.



BTW I was at the "Quad" about a month ago and saw 2 gay guys making out, hugging and cuddling next to me... Can't remember the last time I felt that uncomfortable lol.

Your homophobia is a sign of your ignorance. Your comfort means shit. Seriously, get over it.

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I don't agree with calling it homophobia. No one is genuinely scared of homosexuals, just call it what it really is. Bigotry and ignorance at this point.

ArachnoPHOBIA, I understand. The right spider could end your life.

No one had a legitimate fear of black people back in the day, it was something that was told to them by their parents and passed down through generations that dark skinned people were less human than whites. Even though we know now thats not the case, it's ingrained into their belief system, so deep in some cases that it's almost. impossible to reverse. So in that respect, I can't fault Nelson for being ignorant about the gay marriage issue. I have to fault his upbringing. If he passes this ignorance down to his children, then I can fault him.

You can be against gay marriage, but that means that you yourself can't get married to a gay person. That in no way shape or form means I can't get married to a gay person. Period.

[nelson9995]

So let me get this straight. A mind altering drug should be legal, but 2 guys getting married shouldnt be? Now what is really "dumb as fuck"? Please give me just one way gay marriage affects your life, doesnt even have to be a negative affect, just any effect on your life.




Your homophobia is a sign of your ignorance. Your comfort means shit. Seriously, get over it.

How is it a "drug" when its a natural plant that grows and the "flower" gets smoked, untouched, unprocessed. Tobacco is a plant that gets processed. So let's label tobacco a drug. 100,000 people die from tobacco related issues a year. Marijuana=0. Marijuana treats over 200 different conditions including insomnia, lack of appetite, depression, etc... with no side effects.
Check your tylenol and aspirin which kill thousands a year from overdose and not just that, check the sideffects which include, stroke, even death from some of these over the counter medicines. YOU CANNOT OVERDOSE from marijuana.

Tests have been performed... and marijuana does not kill braincells like alcohol. THC is not physically addictive (no withdrawal symptoms), tobacco is. Marijuana can become psychologically addictive. Tobacco is addictive, hurts you, and kills thousands a year yet it's legal. If you smoke a gram a night, your lungs have 23+ hours to rejuvenate. Most marijuana smokers will not smoke 15 blunts a day, like cigarrette consumers that smoke a pack a day. Their lungs never have time to rejuvenate.
Alcohol kills thousands a year also from overdose, car wrecks, etc... and impairs your ability to perform worse than weed when drunk, yet it's legal.
You never hear, "he got high and went home and beat his wife up." But, you always hear, "he got drunk and beat his wife up" lmao.

So, what is the issue here? Gov't can't find a way to tax it lol.

BTW, there are MANY MANY successfull people that I personally know that have been smoking weed their whole life. Heck, I know a few old schools, (65+) and they are all healthy.

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the majority of males would feel uncomfortable being next to 2 gay guys doing things. You are just part of the minority.

[nelson9995]

I don't agree with calling it homophobia. No one is genuinely scared of homosexuals, just call it what it really is. Bigotry and ignorance at this point.

ArachnoPHOBIA, I understand. The right spider could end your life.

No one had a legitimate fear of black people back in the day, it was something that was told to them by their parents and passed down through generations that dark skinned people were less human than whites. Even though we know now thats not the case, it's ingrained into their belief system, so deep in some cases that it's almost. impossible to reverse. So in that respect, I can't fault Nelson for being ignorant about the gay marriage issue. I have to fault his upbringing. If he passes this ignorance down to his children, then I can fault him.

You can be against gay marriage, but that means that you yourself can't get married to a gay person. That in no way shape or form means I can't get married to a gay person. Period.


I just don't agree with gay marriage. There's nothing I can do about it but it is something I can never see myself agreeing with.

I think about it this way, if a couple cannot reproduce (pregnancy) or have sex the natural way (vaginal) then something is not right.

I see where you are coming from.

I would like to see your point of view on how you would feel if your son was gay. and wanted to marry another gay. Would you support him 100% or would you just maybe have to accept it unwillingly?

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I just don't agree with gay marriage. There's nothing I can do about it but it is something I can never see myself agreeing with. And that is what it is. It's your opinion, not saying its right at all. 60 years ago, people had the same view about interracial marriage equality, and racial equality period. We finally got our head out of our ass and realized that the only consequence of blacks having equal rights is that more people would be happy.


I think about it this way, if a couple cannot reproduce (pregnancy) or have sex the natural way (vaginal) then something is not right.What do you think is not "right" about it? Do you think it's more "right" for a heterosexual couple to be able to produce a child and abort/neglect/mistreat it? What about heterosexual couples that cant produce children, should they not be allowed to get married? A homosexual person is not going to reproduce a child (save for maybe a gay woman w/ in vitro) whether they have equal marriage rights or not.


I would like to see your point of view on how you would feel if your son was gay. and wanted to marry another gay. Would you support him 100% or would you just maybe have to accept it unwillingly?Love is love, period. As long as its a healthy relationship, I couldn't care less who my child chooses to spend the rest of their life with, because that's how I was raised. I was never told that some people's rights should be abridged because their lifestyle didn't match mine.

My question to you is, who/what told you that homosexuality is unnatural and that homosexuals should have less constitutional rights than you?

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the majority of males would feel uncomfortable being next to 2 gay guys doing things. You are just part of the minority.Is this something you believe, or is this something that's based on a scientific fact? If it is a scientific fact, please cite your source.

[nelson9995]

And that is what it is. It's your opinion, not saying its right at all. 60 years ago, people had the same view about interracial marriage equality, and racial equality period. We finally got our head out of our ass and realized that the only consequence of blacks having equal rights is that more people would be happy.
This is a different situation. Apples and oranges here.

What do you think is not "right" about it? Do you think it's more "right" for a heterosexual couple to be able to produce a child and abort/neglect/mistreat it? What about heterosexual couples that cant produce children, should they not be allowed to get married? A homosexual person is not going to reproduce a child (save for maybe a gay woman w/ in vitro) whether they have equal marriage rights or not.


Love is love, period. As long as its a healthy relationship, I couldn't care less who my child chooses to spend the rest of their life with, because that's how I was raised. I was never told that some people's rights should be abridged because their lifestyle didn't match mine.



My question to you is, who/what told you that homosexuality is unnatural and that homosexuals should have less constitutional rights than you?

If a heterosexual couple cannot produce children then that't because something is wrong with them, or were born defective, it is not something natural like gay couples. They can't have children PERIOD.

I understand. If you feel that way props to you. If I personally had a gay child, I would try to make him change til the day I died. I have christian beliefs but I know I can't bring that here so i won't. I'll stay away from it.



They should be treated as humans and have right but allowing them to marry is a slap in the face, a joke... That's like bulding christian churches just for the gays... which has been brought up before. That's like slapping christians in the face. It is the same thing.


Is this something you believe, or is this something that's based on a scientific fact? If it is a scientific fact, please cite your source.

I don't know one single male that is okay with that. It's not a fact just something I've seen over the years.

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If a heterosexual couple cannot produce children then that't because something is wrong with them, or were born defective, it is not something natural like gay couples So then heterosexual couples who can't conceive shouldn't be allowed to get married since its not natural?


I have christian beliefs but I know I can't bring that here so i won't. I'll stay away from it.Typically the basis for most bigotry and hatred.




but allowing them to marry is a slap in the face, a joke... That's like bulding christian churches just for the gays... which has been brought up before. That's like slapping christians in the face. It is the same thing.Im trying to understand this...They should be treated as humans, except for when they want to get married, that's what you're saying?

Gay marriage is a joke to all Christians? It's no surprise why Christianity is actually becoming a joke to more and more humans. Lol. You do know marriage isn't just a Christian institution, right?




I don't know one single male that is okay with that. It's not a fact just something I've seen over the years.I guess you're talking about PDA, in which case Im equally uncomfortable with heterosexual PDA (anything more than hand holding and light kissing). Gay people usually dont suck dick or fuck in public, neither do straight couples, so if you're seeing anything more than two gay guys kissing, you probably went out of your way to see it, which means you wanted to see it.

[nelson9995]

So then heterosexual couples who can't conceive shouldn't be allowed to get married since its not natural?

Typically the basis for most bigotry and hatred.



Im trying to understand this...They should be treated as humans, except for when they want to get married, that's what you're saying?

Gay marriage is a joke to all Christians? It's no surprise why Christianity is actually becoming a joke to more and more humans. Lol. You do know marriage isn't just a Christian institution, right?

I guess you're talking about PDA, in which case Im equally uncomfortable with heterosexual PDA (anything more than hand holding and light kissing). Gay people usually dont suck dick or fuck in public, neither do straight couples, so if you're seeing anything more than two gay guys kissing, you probably went out of your way to see it, which means you wanted to see it.

It is natural... it's like denying someone healthcare because they have cancer. Something has to be wrong females or males arent naturally born sterile 99.9% of the times.

lol you are kind of right about that.

they should have the right to work, shop, spend money, everything we can do.We are not going to treat them like animals, but getting married is something else. They are trying to show the world that 2 gays getting married is something normal and it is not.

and it may not be only christians but name anywhere else 10 years ago where gays were even considered allowed to marry.

and NOOO! lol. I was at a club not a gay club but a regular club and they were hugging, grabbing butt, making out and acting like a 18 year old couple in front of me. I did not look for it nor did I go to see that lol.

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Something has to be wrong females or males arent naturally born sterile 99.9% of the times.You would be shocked at the actual number of only females that aren't able to conceive. It's a lot more than 0.1%


they should have the right to work, shop, spend money, everything we can do.We are not going to treat them like animals, but getting married is something else. They are trying to show the world that 2 gays getting married is something normal and it is not.Your definition of normal is still unclear. 20 years ago, it wasn't normal to own a cell phone, 60 years ago, it wasn't normal for black people to marry white people, 80 yrs ago, it wasn't normal for women to vote. 100 yrs ago it wasn't normal to own a car with an engine in it. Biblically? Maybe, but the bible isn't actually normal itself. Couple thousand years ago, it wasn't normal to believe in it. But if we're going this route, should it be ok to federally regulate how people live based on the bible? If so, why favor the bible over other religious texts? Would you be ok with a law that says girls have to be completely covered up all the time because it says it's ok in the Quran? Would you be ok with a law that says guys can get out of rape as long as you marry the girl and pay her dad a couple hundred bucks because it says its ok in the bible?Would you be ok with a law that says its ok to throw big rocks at your kids when they act up because it says so in the bible? In reality, normality is subjective. What's normal for you may not be normal for someone else, and what's not normal for you may be normal for someone else.


and NOOO! lol. I was at a club not a gay club but a regular club and they were hugging, grabbing butt, making out and acting like a 18 year old couple in front of me. I did not look for it nor did I go to see that lol.Do you not get the same feeling when a straight couple does the same thing? When you turned your head to look away, did your comfort level return? Or did you continue to look?

[BanginJimmy]

How is it a "drug" when its a natural plant that grows and the "flower" gets smoked, untouched, unprocessed. Tobacco is a plant that gets processed. So let's label tobacco a drug. 100,000 people die from tobacco related issues a year. Marijuana=0. Marijuana treats over 200 different conditions including insomnia, lack of appetite, depression, etc... with no side effects.
Check your tylenol and aspirin which kill thousands a year from overdose and not just that, check the sideffects which include, stroke, even death from some of these over the counter medicines. YOU CANNOT OVERDOSE from marijuana.

Tests have been performed... and marijuana does not kill braincells like alcohol. THC is not physically addictive (no withdrawal symptoms), tobacco is. Marijuana can become psychologically addictive. Tobacco is addictive, hurts you, and kills thousands a year yet it's legal. If you smoke a gram a night, your lungs have 23+ hours to rejuvenate. Most marijuana smokers will not smoke 15 blunts a day, like cigarrette consumers that smoke a pack a day. Their lungs never have time to rejuvenate.
Alcohol kills thousands a year also from overdose, car wrecks, etc... and impairs your ability to perform worse than weed when drunk, yet it's legal.
You never hear, "he got high and went home and beat his wife up." But, you always hear, "he got drunk and beat his wife up" lmao.

So, what is the issue here? Gov't can't find a way to tax it lol.

BTW, there are MANY MANY successfull people that I personally know that have been smoking weed their whole life. Heck, I know a few old schools, (65+) and they are all healthy.

I would love to see tobacco outlawed for the exact reasons you noted, wouldnt bother me a bit if alcohol was too, again for the reasons you noted.

At the same time, dont give me that crap about how weed is such a good thing. Most of the 'science' behind its uses is either shady or unprovable. It has been proven that it is mid altering though.

Yes, there are successful people that smoke weed. There are also MANY successful people that shoot up heroin and like to play with 12 year old kids. One has nothing to do with the other.




the majority of males would feel uncomfortable being next to 2 gay guys doing things. You are just part of the minority.

Really? Cause I fucked a girl in the same room a gay friend fucked his BF. Didnt bother me a bit.
Check the porn sites, videos of 2 girls going at it are typically pretty popular.

You are actually part of the minority in this case.

[nelson9995]

I would love to see tobacco outlawed for the exact reasons you noted, wouldnt bother me a bit if alcohol was too, again for the reasons you noted.

At the same time, dont give me that crap about how weed is such a good thing. Most of the 'science' behind its uses is either shady or unprovable. It has been proven that it is mid altering though.

Yes, there are successful people that smoke weed. There are also MANY successful people that shoot up heroin and like to play with 12 year old kids. One has nothing to do with the other.





Really? Cause I fucked a girl in the same room a gay friend fucked his BF. Didnt bother me a bit.
Check the porn sites, videos of 2 girls going at it are typically pretty popular.

You are actually part of the minority in this case.

cant argue much about the weed. at least you see what I'm saying. and I'm sorry but none of the guys I know would fuck a girl while his gay friend is fucking a guy lmao that creeps me out.

2 girls is far wayyyyyyy more accepted than 2 guys. Ive had threesomes with 2 girls... I have never caught myself watching gay porn. most guys feel the same way.

[nelson9995]

You would be shocked at the actual number of only females that aren't able to conceive. It's a lot more than 0.1%

Your definition of normal is still unclear. 20 years ago, it wasn't normal to own a cell phone, 60 years ago, it wasn't normal for black people to marry white people, 80 yrs ago, it wasn't normal for women to vote. 100 yrs ago it wasn't normal to own a car with an engine in it. Biblically? Maybe, but the bible isn't actually normal itself. Couple thousand years ago, it wasn't normal to believe in it. But if we're going this route, should it be ok to federally regulate how people live based on the bible? If so, why favor the bible over other religious texts? Would you be ok with a law that says girls have to be completely covered up all the time because it says it's ok in the Quran? Would you be ok with a law that says guys can get out of rape as long as you marry the girl and pay her dad a couple hundred bucks because it says its ok in the bible?Would you be ok with a law that says its ok to throw big rocks at your kids when they act up because it says so in the bible? In reality, normality is subjective. What's normal for you may not be normal for someone else, and what's not normal for you may be normal for someone else.

Do you not get the same feeling when a straight couple does the same thing? When you turned your head to look away, did your comfort level return? Or did you continue to look?

I see what you're saying but again gay and cellphones. apples and oranges. Cars and gays apple and oranges lol. I'm sure you wouldn't like your son to have to take a class in school where hes taught how normal it is to be gay and he has to agree to graduate which is where we are at now in some states.

I looked once and stopped myself from looking in discomfort lol. If I see a heterosexual couple its w.e. It might be a bit too much pda but not to where I'm like... "awww wtf man". you know what i mean lol

[BanginJimmy]

2 girls is far wayyyyyyy more accepted than 2 guys. Ive had threesomes with 2 girls... I have never caught myself watching gay porn. most guys feel the same way.


So its OK for 2 girls to fuck, but not for 2 guys? You really do make a great ambassador for the christian religion. A religion based on prejudice, exclusion, hypocrisy, and corruption.

[nelson9995]

So its OK for 2 girls to fuck, but not for 2 guys? You really do make a great ambassador for the christian religion. A religion based on prejudice, exclusion, hypocrisy, and corruption.


I'm not christian but I have christian beliefs. My parents are. I never said it was okay for 2 girls to fuck or have sex. I have done it tho. It is also way more common to the common people.
Go to one of your straight friends and say hey does watching two girls turn you on?
now ask him this...
hey can you stay and watch a 3 min video of 2 gay guys fucking? and hear his reponse and you'll see what I'm saying.
I know you feel the same way in both situations don't front lol

They are both equally as bad though. My point being that 2 girls is not viewed as bad as 2 guys by people.

AND I don't hate gays... Some of the nicest people I know are gay, well educated, well mannered, etc... but allowing them to get married? that's pushing it IMO

[BanginJimmy]

hey can you stay and watch a 3 min video of 2 gay guys fucking? and hear his reponse and you'll see what I'm saying.

If he isnt attracted to men, why would he want to see 2 guys fucking?

If you want a better answer you would ask this question to a woman.



I know you feel the same way in both situations don't front lol

I'm not gay, bi, or ever had any questions. It simply has no affect on me. Absolutely nothing in my life changes based on whether or not gays can marry so why should I have any say in their happiness?


They are both equally as bad though. My point being that 2 girls is not viewed as bad as 2 guys by people.

There is nothing wrong or bad with either.

[nelson9995]

If he isnt attracted to men, why would he want to see 2 guys fucking?

If you want a better answer you would ask this question to a woman.




I'm not gay, bi, or ever had any questions. It simply has no affect on me. Absolutely nothing in my life changes based on whether or not gays can marry so why should I have any say in their happiness?



There is nothing wrong or bad with either.


That's your opinion I have mine. Now, about the weed, I can pull sources lol this is all opinion based..
most girls get grossed out by thinking of 2 guys.... I've asked a few of my female friends and they have all been against it one way or the other.

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I'm sure you wouldn't like your son to have to take a class in school where hes taught how normal it is to be gay and he has to agree to graduate which is where we are at now in some states.I wouldnt want my son to take any class where the teacher forced their beliefs, whatever they are.
If my son were to disagree with facts, like for example: humans aren't the only species that exhibits homosexuality, then yes, I'd want them to fail him.

And trust me, we're not there yet.

[nelson9995]

you are LOST. California is already printing and making the textbooks. This is a class starting I think next year where it's a graduation requirement.

[nelson9995]

http://www.towleroad.com/2010/07/antigay-student-claims-school-forced-her-to-accept-homosexuality.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2816779/posts

and about California I saw it on the news... look it up you will find it.

[BanginJimmy]

most girls get grossed out by thinking of 2 guys.... I've asked a few of my female friends and they have all been against it one way or the other.


If this is the case cite your sources. I definitely wouldnt take word of a few girls from west GA as my sample of most women.

[nelson9995]

If this is the case cite your sources. I definitely wouldnt take word of a few girls from west GA as my sample of most women.

lol I see what you did. but a few from west Ga some from ATL... but you are right; again this is opinion based. Ask the females you usually talk to and tell me how it went for you.

[BanginJimmy]

http://www.towleroad.com/2010/07/antigay-student-claims-school-forced-her-to-accept-homosexuality.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2816779/posts

and about California I saw it on the news... look it up you will find it.


I see nothing wrong with the school's response. That article didnt say, but I remember seeing another story about her that said she wanted to be a school councilor. If that is the case, her personal views have absolutely no place in her professional opinion.

[BanginJimmy]

lol I see what you did. but a few from west Ga some from ATL... but you are right; again this is opinion based. Ask the females you usually talk to and tell me how it went for you.


I actually just did. My friend Jade, said bring it on. Still waiting on Nicole to answer since she is still at work.

[nelson9995]

I actually just did. My friend Jade, said bring it on. Still waiting on Nicole to answer since she is still at work.

lol...
and that was just an example... the whole thing about it becoming a graduation requirement is really true. Textbooks are being made as we speak. it has already been approved

[BanginJimmy]

lol...
and that was just an example... the whole thing about it becoming a graduation requirement is really true. Textbooks are being made as we speak. it has already been approved


Whats wrong with it being a requirement for councelors to be able to council on subjects they may not agree with personally? This is especially true if they are working in a public school.

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In this case I agree with the school. Especially since she wanted to be a councilor. If the girl wanted to continue to deny facts and say that she believed homosexuality was wrong, she should have studied to be in the clergy. Homosexuality is a completely normal expression of sexuality. "Conversion therapy" has no scientific foundation and has been proven to not only not work, but be detrimental to your mental health.

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As a matter of fact that brings up the issue about the doctor not too long ago that denied a man his HIV treatment meds because he was gay and the doctor didn't agree with it. The doctor is being sued now

If I went to a doctor of medicine, or a councilor (a doctor of psychology) and they denied me treatment because of my sexuality, the doctor can lose their license to practice.

It is your personal belief that homosexuality is wrong. It is not a fact whatsoever.

[BanginJimmy]

In this case I agree with the school. Especially since she wanted to be a councilor. If the girl wanted to continue to deny facts and say that she believed homosexuality was wrong, she should have studied to be in the clergy. Homosexuality is a completely normal expression of sexuality. "Conversion therapy" has no scientific foundation and has been proven to not only not work, but be detrimental to your mental health.


And this is coming from a black guy and we all know, at least I have seen the studies that prove it, that blacks are the most anti gay demographic in the country.

[alpine_aw11]

And this is coming from a black guy and we all know, at least I have seen the studies that prove it, that blacks are the most anti gay demographic in the country.

Well that was totally relevant.

[nelson9995]

this is where our views differ. To me, since I have a christian background, it is the worst sin in the bible ( only applies if you believe in it)... You guys are atheist so under your eyes there is nothing wrong and I understand that which is why I don't try to convince you that it is wrong. This is the reason why our views on it will always differ. So, gay marriage can only be okay with you if you are not okay with the bible and believe in it, if you try to follow jesus/God/bible, it will never be okay under your eyes. Now you guys see where I'm coming from. That is the reason why I respect everyone's views. Other than it being stated in the bible, there is nothing else that can be said bad about it, except for the negative social stigma it creates. Now you guys should be able to understand me some.

To sum it all up... if you believe in God/Jesus/bible, gay marriage is the worst thing that can ever happen... if you don't follow neither, then gay marriage will be okay for that certain person.

and BTW... I will never be okay with 2 gay guys, but if two cute girls are down for a 3some... I'm all game lmao.

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I dont think BanginJimmy is an atheist. He's a conservative, and conservative atheists are unicorns.

I understand it totally. But I can't respect views that promote hatred and ignorance and intolerance at all, and It's not that it's just a different religious view than mine. It's kinda like Hitler's view on Eugenics and the final solution. He had an opinion loosely based on the bible, it was a stupid opinion and I don't respect it at all. I really feel sorry that you're immersed in religious dogma.

And BanginJimmy, any black american person (who's ancestors have been here at least the past 100 yrs) who is against gay equality is an absolute fucking retard.

[bu villain]

Nelson, I hope you can at least agree that we should not create laws based on any religious doctrine or if something is "gross" to "normal people" for that matter. If a Christian church does not want to recognize gay marriage, they don't have to but the church also needs to respect that it can't dictate what the state should do. We may be a majority Christian nation but we are definitely not a theocracy.

Also you do realize that your statement that homosexuality is a huge sin is in severe conflict with your excitement towards female homosexuality. This really makes your arguments lack credibility because it appears the real issue for you isn't based on what's right or wrong, it's based on your personal sexual preferences.

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Also you do realize that your statement that homosexuality is a huge sin is in severe conflict with your excitement towards female homosexuality. This really makes your arguments lack credibility because it appears the real issue for you isn't based on what's right or wrong, it's based on your personal sexual preferences.That would be what psychologists call "cognitive dissonance"

If religions want a say in the laws that are passed, then churches should start paying taxes. Simple solution.

[nelson9995]

That would be what psychologists call "cognitive dissonance"

If religions want a say in the laws that are passed, then churches should start paying taxes. Simple solution.
I don't agree with this but you are right.


Nelson, I hope you can at least agree that we should not create laws based on any religious doctrine or if something is "gross" to "normal people" for that matter. If a Christian church does not want to recognize gay marriage, they don't have to but the church also needs to respect that it can't dictate what the state should do. We may be a majority Christian nation but we are definitely not a theocracy.

Also you do realize that your statement that homosexuality is a huge sin is in severe conflict with your excitement towards female homosexuality. This really makes your arguments lack credibility because it appears the real issue for you isn't based on what's right or wrong, it's based on your personal sexual preferences.

I see what you are saying and you are right. Laws should not be created based on religious views... But America has always been "under God." You see what I'm saying?

And I know 2 females is just as wrong as two guys... they are both just as big of a sin (if you believe in the bible like I stated earlier).

[BanginJimmy]

I dont think BanginJimmy is an atheist. He's a conservative, and conservative atheists are unicorns.

You know what assume stands for?



I understand it totally. But I can't respect views that promote hatred and ignorance and intolerance at all, and It's not that it's just a different religious view than mine. It's kinda like Hitler's view on Eugenics and the final solution. He had an opinion loosely based on the bible, it was a stupid opinion and I don't respect it at all. I really feel sorry that you're immersed in religious dogma.

Couldnt agree more.



And BanginJimmy, any black american person (who's ancestors have been here at least the past 100 yrs) who is against gay equality is an absolute fucking retard.

I agree, but MANY polls and studies have shown that to be true. I honestly dont understand it. You would think a group that has been so harshly discriminated against would be at the forefront on any equal rights issue.

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You would think, but there's still a lot of head-ass removal that needs to take place.

[BanginJimmy]

You would think, but there's still a lot of head-ass removal that needs to take place.

Something we are in complete agreement about.

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But America has always been "under God." You see what I'm saying?What do you mean "America has always been 'under god'"?

[CSquared]

What do you mean "America has always been 'under god'"?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

;) Before anyone is retarded enough to reference this.

[nelson9995]

there you go lol

[Vteckidd]

If religions want a say in the laws that are passed, then churches should start paying taxes. Simple solution.

i think the world is ending, we are agreeing more an more LOL

[Vteckidd]

Again ill ask the simple question, WHY DOES IT MATTER?

If you go to a christian church that believes homosexuality is a sin, thats perfectly fine. If you want to get MARRIED in that church, that church has every right to deny to marry Gay people. Its a private institution. They are free to choose to wed or marry according to their beliefs.

We are talking about STATE LAW. If the State chooses to recognize gay couples to get MARRIED, it doesnt effect christian beliefs ,ceremonies, marriages AT ALL. ITS 2 COMPLETELY SEPERATE ISSUES.

EXAMPLE:

CHRISTIAN CHURCH 1 allows a hetero couple to get MARRIED. This married couple applies for MARRIAGE LICENSE FROM THE STATE. STATE GRANTS IT.

GAY THEOCRACY 1 allows a gay couple to get MARRIED. This homosexual couple applies for MARRIAGE LICENSE FROM THE STATE. STATE GRANTS IT.

HOW DOES THE SECOND PART EFFECT THE FIRST PARTS BELIEFS?

[bu villain]

I see what you are saying and you are right. Laws should not be created based on religious views... But America has always been "under God." You see what I'm saying?

Actually I don't understand. you keep saying you agree but then you say you disagree. Are you saying that because "under god" was added to the pledge 60 years ago, we should force all Americans to live by the bible?


And I know 2 females is just as wrong as two guys... they are both just as big of a sin (if you believe in the bible like I stated earlier).

If you truly felt they were both extremely sinful, why don't you seem to be ashamed about your enjoyment of hot girl on girl action? It sounds like you don't actually feel in your heart it is sinful, but think you are supposed to feel that it is.

I'm not actually trying to convince you either way but what you say you believe doesn't match your actions and other statements you made. It's not a bad idea to consider why you seem to hold contradictory views.

[nelson9995]

Actually I don't understand. you keep saying you agree but then you say you disagree. Are you saying that because "under god" was added to the pledge 60 years ago, we should force all Americans to live by the bible?



If you truly felt they were both extremely sinful, why don't you seem to be ashamed about your enjoyment of hot girl on girl action? It sounds like you don't actually feel in your heart it is sinful, but think you are supposed to feel that it is.

I'm not actually trying to convince you either way but what you say you believe doesn't match your actions and other statements you made. It's not a bad idea to consider why you seem to hold contradictory views.

I do not mean it that way. What I mean to say is that this country has always lived, with the "under God" mentality so anything you throw at it that goes against God, will be questioned and argued against.

I KNOW it's a sin. I believe in God and know it is just as bad. However, I would not consider myself a christian because I do not currently follow the bible and haven't the past 4 years. I sin everyday knowingly and feel no remorse... BUT, the day will come when I will call myself a Christian.

Two girls/guys having sex is one thing. Allowing them to marry is another. If you are gay and keep your business to yourself noone would say anything. Allowing them to marry will be like slapping the system/beliefs/ and what we have followed since the beginning of humanity. That is what makes it such a big deal.

Hope you understand this better. I did not want to break it down like this but you kind of forced me to.

[BanginJimmy]

Allowing them to marry is another. If you are gay and keep your business to yourself noone would say anything. Allowing them to marry will be like slapping the system/beliefs/ and what we have followed since the beginning of humanity. That is what makes it such a big deal.


What system are you talking about?

The beliefs are your own, why should someone else be demonized because of what you believe?

Homosexuality has been around since long before there was ever a written language. Get over this lifestyle an learned behavior BS. If you really believe homosexuality is a choice, you will be able to tell us all when you made the choice to be straight. What factors led you to that decision? I cant recall ever making a decision, I'm just not attracted to other men.

[nelson9995]

What system are you talking about?

The beliefs are your own, why should someone else be demonized because of what you believe?

Homosexuality has been around since long before there was ever a written language. Get over this lifestyle an learned behavior BS. If you really believe homosexuality is a choice, you will be able to tell us all when you made the choice to be straight. What factors led you to that decision? I cant recall ever making a decision, I'm just not attracted to other men.

This is what you guys are not understanding. I am agreeing with you. I am doing enough to get on your side and look at things open minded... I'm keeping my personal thoughts and beliefs to myself and tackling this with you guys.

TO CHRISTIANS: Homosexuality is not a choice, nor is it natural. It is a person possessed by a demon and there is no arguing that with them. I respect your point of view but you are not respecting mine. I was open minded enough to agree with you on your side and give you a bit of mine.

I got your point of view... told you that looking at it the way you do you have a good argument and make sense. Seems like you took advantage of this and are now trying to force your beliefs in me. It's not going to happen, just like I haven't tried one bit to make you believe mine.

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This is what you guys are not understanding. I am agreeing with you. I am doing enough to get on your side and look at things open minded... I'm keeping my personal thoughts and beliefs to myself and tackling this with you guys.

TO CHRISTIANS: Homosexuality is not a choice, nor is it natural. It is a person possessed by a demon and there is no arguing that with them. I respect your point of view but you are not respecting mine. I was open minded enough to agree with you on your side and give you a bit of mine.

I got your point of view... told you that looking at it the way you do you have a good argument and make sense. Seems like you took advantage of this and are now trying to force your beliefs in me. It's not going to happen, just like I haven't tried one bit to make you believe mine.

A belief is the confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately succeptible to proof It's not that we're not respecting you, you're trying to tell us that the world is flat because that's what it says bible. It's not us forcing our beliefs on you. It's us telling you that the world isn't flat no matter what the bible says. Same thing with gays. Homosexuality is natural. If it weren't, it wouldn't be expressed in other species of animals, but it is. Gays aren't sinners or evil, nor will christian society collapse if a gay person gets married. It'll never happen. The only anti gay preaching is coming from those who aren't secure in their own sexuality. You know how I know? Because in the bible, Jesus said absolutely nothing about gays.

Did you know, according to the bible, God puts EXACT SAME emphasis is put on people who cut their hair, and wear mixed fabrics? According to the bible, you are just as damned as a gay person for wearing the clothes you're wearing right now. Why do you think we dont hate people who cut their hair, or wear polyester jackets?

Don't look at it as an attack, look at this as me trying to help you open your eyes and see this in the same way you look at everything else. You don't have to keep your thoughts to yourself. I want to hear em

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This is a discussion. There is nothing wrong with challenging each others beliefs. Both sides should present the reasons behind their position so we can discuss the validity of those reasons. No one is "forcing" their beliefs on you but we are trying to persuade you with reason. So far, this has been a respectful discussion on both sides. There is no need to feel threatened or disrespected.

[JDMEK18]

I'm a Christian and I belive in God's words.
I personally don't care if 2 guys or 2 girls want to get together but it shouldn't be recognized as "MARRIAGE" - if u want to call is "CARRIAGE" or "LARRIAGE" or "PARRIAGE" and give the couples all the legal rights to do everything that "married" couples do and get all benefits - great. More power too u but don't change the definition of something to its opposite. Can't go outside and decide u want to call night day and day night..
And this is completely different from church thinking black and white shouldn't be together back in the day... Trust me there are stupid people every where but just because someone does something dumb and say they are christians doesn't mean they are really operating in God's will. But just my 2 cents

[Vteckidd]

WILL ANYONE ANSWER My QUESTION?

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I'm a Christian and I belive in God's words.
I personally don't care if 2 guys or 2 girls want to get together but it shouldn't be recognized as "MARRIAGE" - if u want to call is "CARRIAGE" or "LARRIAGE" or "PARRIAGE" and give the couples all the legal rights to do everything that "married" couples do and get all benefits - great. More power too u but don't change the definition of something to its opposite. Can't go outside and decide u want to call night day and day night..
And this is completely different from church thinking black and white shouldn't be together back in the day... Trust me there are stupid people every where but just because someone does something dumb and say they are christians doesn't mean they are really operating in God's will. But just my 2 centsSo you're pretty much saying that the christian faith is the supreme authority over all religions' definition of marriage? Do you think the states shouldn't recognize anything but christian marriage, regardless of the actual religion of the participants? The bible also says ONE man and ONE woman, so technically, divorce-remarriage should be just as forbidden/unrecognized. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think it's ok for christians to essentially "cherry pick" which verses they want to enforce as law, when the bible puts the same emphasis on all of it?

And for the record, interracial marriage opposition was also biblically motivated, so, yes, it's the exact same thing. Lol. The church had to turn the other cheek on that definition so it could remain relevant, which will happen in time for homosexual marriage, if they want to continue to be relevant.

And for the record, according to the tenets of christianity, anyone professing to believe in the abrahamic god, and that Jesus Christ is the son of this god, and has been baptized as such, is a christian. There is no other official qualification/disqualification process

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WILL ANYONE ANSWER My QUESTION?

Why does it matter? Because its fun to figure out what's in the heads of these kinds of people. Lol

[BanginJimmy]

Again ill ask the simple question, WHY DOES IT MATTER?

If you go to a christian church that believes homosexuality is a sin, thats perfectly fine. If you want to get MARRIED in that church, that church has every right to deny to marry Gay people. Its a private institution. They are free to choose to wed or marry according to their beliefs.

We are talking about STATE LAW. If the State chooses to recognize gay couples to get MARRIED, it doesnt effect christian beliefs ,ceremonies, marriages AT ALL. ITS 2 COMPLETELY SEPERATE ISSUES.

EXAMPLE:

CHRISTIAN CHURCH 1 allows a hetero couple to get MARRIED. This married couple applies for MARRIAGE LICENSE FROM THE STATE. STATE GRANTS IT.

GAY THEOCRACY 1 allows a gay couple to get MARRIED. This homosexual couple applies for MARRIAGE LICENSE FROM THE STATE. STATE GRANTS IT.

HOW DOES THE SECOND PART EFFECT THE FIRST PARTS BELIEFS?


I have answered this and asked the same question to anti gay marriage people many times. Its very simple. Gay marriage has absolutely zero effect on anyone but the 2 getting married.


To the bible thumpers; at one point marriage may have been a religious term, today it is not. Today marriage is a legal term.

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Today marriage is a legal term.Marriage has ALWAYS been a legal term. Before the bible was around, marriage was used for the continuation of lineage and to trade property. Daughters included.

[Vteckidd]

Marriage has ALWAYS been a legal term. Before the bible was around, marriage was used for the continuation of lineage and to trade property. Daughters included.

giggity

[BanginJimmy]

Marriage has ALWAYS been a legal term. Before the bible was around, marriage was used for the continuation of lineage and to trade property. Daughters included.

I cant find anything wrong with this.

[nelson9995]

I'm back guys... IDK if you have missed the part where the bible states that homosexuality is the most disgusting sin (maybe not those exact words).. but you get the idea.... This is where christians get this from. If you believe that God/Jesus is your holy father and he states that, then wouldn't agreeing with gay marriage turn your back against him? This is why Christians will never accept it. Whether it gets passed or not, a true christian will NEVER agree with it..

You guys have some valid points but I want to make you understand how christians feel about it and why they will never change their mind. Again, a true christian.

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Trust me, I know exactly how "true christians" feel about the issue

Heres Pastor Terry Jones' property. He made headlines a while back for holding a Quran burning ceremony. Here you can see a hanged effigy of Obama. The Secret Service Administration have been notified.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/638540/thumbs/o-OBAMA-EFFIGY-HUNG-570.jpg?4

Here's Pastor Charles Worley of North Carolina. Here he is calling for a LITERAL "homosexual HOLOCAUST" (Remember that thing Hitler did to the Jews? Yeah that)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d2n7vSPwhSU

[nelson9995]

that is the reason why I don't believe in pastors. The bible even says you're a fool if you put your trust in other man. People should just listen to the word, and worry about their personal relationship with God. "We see faces, but not hearts"

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I'm back guys... IDK if you have missed the part where the bible states that homosexuality is the most disgusting sin (maybe not those exact words).. but you get the idea.... This is where christians get this from. If you believe that God/Jesus is your holy father and he states that, then wouldn't agreeing with gay marriage turn your back against him?

So as a Christian, do you believe our government's laws should be used to enforce biblical morality on all people in this country?