North Carolina

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You have blemished the pages of American history for the last time. The rest of the nation and the entire world is looking at you and laughing right now. You are a joke.

Secede yourselves.

Funny how the only parts of town that voted against amendment one were the educated parts of town. The parts with the universities in them.

[PTCDC5]

I'm not laughing at them and neither is "the rest of the nation and the entire world."

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Oh yes they are. The state is full of conservative Christians, who ideologically are against big government, are so uncomfortable with their own sexuality, they had to go out of their way and against their ideals to increase the side of government and ban gay marriage, just so they can feel better about themselves and their precious allegiance to their almighty god. What's next, an amendment banning interracial marriage? Oh wait, they already did that.

[Vteckidd]

I always find it funny how the right wing who is so against big govt telling them how to live, want to tell other people how to live. Ironic.

Its 2012, let the gays get married, is it really that big of a deal? People are entitled to their opinions, but the justification for banning gay marriage is long over with. Its about as stupid as keeping weed illegal.

[Vteckidd]

People who fucked up traditional marriage (HETEROSEXUALS) dont have any room to talk down to the gay population they think will somehow "ruin" marriage.

[CSquared]

This kind of shit to me is just a distraction. I honestly sometimes think its purposeful to keep people ignorant.

"Lets make them argue about some worthless bullshit so they don't focus on all the more serious issues going on in our state/country. How about gays getting married? It has absolutely no impact on their way of life and gives us more time to pointlessly dance around and play tug of war with this whole economy thing. Perfect!"

[Vteckidd]

Obama just became the first president to openly endorse gay marriage a few minutes ago. Good for him, nice to see things moving in the right direction.

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Obama just became the first president to openly endorse gay marriage a few minutes ago. Good for him, nice to see things moving in the right direction.

Political suicide you think? I think the people that don't support marriage equality weren't gonna vote for him anyway. Maybe a push to rally the lazy progressive kids who don't vote?

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Where's BanginJimmy at? Wanna know why I don't like states rights? Because states pass stupid shit like this. If I get gay married in one state that recognizes it, then I drive through NC and get in a car accident and sent to the hospital, guess what? I won't be able to get any benefits from my spouse.

[Sammich]

all i wanna say is the word 'marriage' shouldnt be used in a gay/lesbian union. marriage was instituted as the marriage of a male and female, that's just how i feel about it. other than that, they can do whatever they please

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all i wanna say is the word 'marriage' shouldnt be used in a gay/lesbian union. marriage was instituted as the marriage of a male and female, that's just how i feel about it. other than that, they can do whatever they please

You know about 60 yrs ago, they said the same thing about black marriages and interracial marriages? And they also linked that belief to the bible in the same fashion? Think about that.

It is my opinion that a government, and any laws created by it, should not dictate, or regulate the lives of an individual when it comes to the affectionate feelings and the emotions of love. To ban ones right to marry another is to wage war upon their identity and their ability to show their love for one another. I am disgusted that a nation that prides itself on freedoms of an individual has the audacity, ability, and feeble mindedness to do so.

[Vteckidd]

Its really not that big of a deal. If a guy and a guy want to get married because they love each other, so be it. If two women want to do the same, great for them.

Doest it effect anyones life directly? nope. Does it "DEMEAN" anyones christian values? nope.

I really dont see the big deal anymore.

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Its really not that big of a deal. If a guy and a guy want to get married because they love each other, so be it. If two women want to do the same, great for them.

Doest it effect anyones life directly? nope. Does it "DEMEAN" anyones christian values? nope.

I really dont see the big deal anymore.

You liberal

[Sammich]

You know about 60 yrs ago, they said the same thing about black marriages and interracial marriages? And they also linked that belief to the bible in the same fashion? Think about that.

It is my opinion that a government, and any laws created by it, should not dictate, or regulate the lives of an individual when it comes to the affectionate feelings and the emotions of love. To ban ones right to marry another is to wage war upon their identity and their ability to show their love for one another. I am disgusted that a nation that prides itself on freedoms of an individual has the audacity, ability, and feeble mindedness to do so.

for them to say that minorities aren't male and female is ridiculous, i'm just saying that marriage, in itself is the coming together of a man and a woman, and i believe it should remain as such. like i said i dont have a problem w/ them having a union, i mean, shit that's them it has nothing to do w/ me, just the meaning behind the word marriage and how that institution started, it started as a man and a woman. other than that...gays and lesbos can do as they please

[Vteckidd]

Whats wrong with them getting married? seriously? IS it because your religious views lead you to the belief that Marriage is between a man and a woman? then that is fine, your church doesnt have to marry them. Im ok with that.

Youre basically saying that if they dont believe what you believe they dont get the same treatment. That i do not agree with.

First of all, take marriage out of it, call it a Union, or State Union, whatever. Gay couples should be allowed to apply for civil Unions at the state level, the church should be removed from it. That removes any religious implications IMO.

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for them to say that minorities aren't male and female is ridiculous, i'm just saying that marriage, in itself is the coming together of a man and a woman, and i believe it should remain as such. like i said i dont have a problem w/ them having a union, i mean, shit that's them it has nothing to do w/ me, just the meaning behind the word marriage and how that institution started, it started as a man and a woman. other than that...gays and lesbos can do as they please

Sorry. I cant stand behind you on that bro. Knowing that the origin of marriage was simply for creating a lineage to trade property and cattle. Also knowing the fact that the Christian definition of marriage is unclear itself according to the bible, and that the sanctity of marriage itself is something to be ridiculed. The one man/one woman marriage thing has absolutely nothing going for it factually. Lol. Not to mention, being a minority, my own parents were on the same side of this marriage debacle as gays are, and not to mention, as an atheist, this challenges my OWN marriage. The only thing pulling for one man/one woman marriage is that, traditionally, that's the way we always thought of it. Traditionally, though, 100 years ago, black people ate at separate restaurants. Thats hard to imagine though because we werent alive when that was normal and no one questioned it. Everything evolves, and just like segregation, 60 years from now, us and our childrens children will look back on this and say "damn. Lol. What the fuck were we thinking, trying to stop two people in love from getting married"

[Vteckidd]

i just think there is an easy way around it, just remove the religious implications from it. I mean when two people get married they apply for a state marriage license right? Why does the state care if it is man/woman or man/man or woman/woman?

Also, i think it should be clear that "marriage" should only be between 2 people. No polygamy, no marrying farm animals, etc (which is what the christian right thinks will happen if we allow gay marriage)

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This amendment from what I've seen, bans ALL civil unions. Including heterosexual ones. Only Christian marriages recognized. How's that for separation of church and state? Lol. I think NC just extended its middle finger to the constitution. Lol

[Vteckidd]

Then it should be overturned IMO

so if two Muslims get married its not "recognized"? Can't be true

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I say let em be. The smart people will flee and all that will be left there will be the people that made these laws. These guys

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This is the bill in text.


http://ncleg.net/Sessions/2011/Bills...PDF/S514v3.pdf

[Vteckidd]

yeah it doesnt say anything to do with religious preference. it just basically says THEIR definition of marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman only.

If it said 1 person and another, it would be 100% the way it should be IMO. I see no reason to debate this any further. Gay marriage isnt going to "ruin" anything, least of all ''marriage''

[Sammich]

LOL marriage is fukd up anyway

[green91]

I support gays being able to enter in a civil union with equal rights as a married couples. I just dont believe in changing the meaning of "marriage" thats been around for thousands of years for the sake of appeasing a tiny minority of people.

I think its fantastic that Obama has decided to support homosexuals. Now all the Christians complaining about not wanting to vote for a mormon can really question Obama's "christian" values. Should have everyone standing on their heads.

[Vteckidd]

But gays existed thousands of years ago. Whats REALLY the big deal , seriously?

If we change the term of marriage to mean 2 people, whats the big deal? What does it unravel or undue? Does it change Christianity?

What about churches that allow Gay people in their congregation?

[green91]

I really do see your point, i see both sides of the story. I think people should be able to be with whoever they want that makes them happy.

But also from a standpoint of christianity, you can't pick and choose which teachings from the bible you apply to your life and values. If you're a christian, you live by god's word. Not some of his words.

[Vteckidd]

yeah but allowing gays to marry how does that effect christians? Im being serious :P

Christians dont believe in gay marriage, great i get that. No problem. But if 2 gay people get married, how does that change anything christianity teaches?

The state should just allow 2 people to get married, and not try to allow religion into the discussion.

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I support gays being able to enter in a civil union with equal rights as a married couples. I just dont believe in changing the meaning of "marriage" thats been around for thousands of years for the sake of appeasing a tiny minority of people.

I think its fantastic that Obama has decided to support homosexuals. Now all the Christians complaining about not wanting to vote for a mormon can really question Obama's "christian" values. Should have everyone standing on their heads.

No one wanted to change the definition of marriage. Same sex marriage has been going on since before Christianity was Christianity. Lol.

[Vteckidd]

Cheney actually was in favor of gay marriage at the state level

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...gay_marri.html

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Bible thumpers want a law banning gay marriage, everyone else wants the govt to remain NEUTRAL in the matter and uphold the establishment clause of the first amendment. In today's world, the bible thumpers tend to be the louder group and also tend to have more legislative and judicial "pull"

[Vteckidd]

Whats weird is Obama came out in support of Gay Marriage, but then said he still respects the rights of the states to vote on it, in essence, agreeing with what NC did.

32 states IIRC have had a referendum on Gay marriage that has failed to pass so clearly more of the voting public is against it than for it. But, I would like to know why, what is the reasoning? If its the definition of marriage, my question is Indians have special marriage ceremonies, so do Mormons, so do Jewish people so do Muslims etc but that doesnt change the way MARRIAGE relates to christian ceremonies/beliefs right?

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Whats weird is Obama came out in support of Gay Marriage, but then said he still respects the rights of the states to vote on it, in essence, agreeing with what NC did.

32 states IIRC have had a referendum on Gay marriage that has failed to pass so clearly more of the voting public is against it than for it. But, I would like to know why, what is the reasoning? If its the definition of marriage, my question is Indians have special marriage ceremonies, so do Mormons, so do Jewish people so do Muslims etc but that doesnt change the way MARRIAGE relates to christian ceremonies/beliefs right?

I guess Obama is a states rights guy. But its like saying if you think this 90 primered civic is the same thing as a 2012 TSX. You're still an idiot, but I'd respect your right to have an opinion.

All people that are against gay marriage in the US are against it for christian biblical reasons. There is not a single reasonable secular argument against it. Ask ANY person or lawmaker why they're against it and they'll ultimately say "Because that's the way God made it". Studies have shown that other religions are much more tolerant, and that the less important religion is in a country, the more tolerant their people are to gay marriage. The US is the most intolerant country while being one of the most intellectually developed countries in the world.

[Vteckidd]

I guess Obama is a states rights guy.

My fear is this becomes some political football that really is so far down on the list of things we need to focus on.............

People are entitled to their opinions. Obama has been very anti-gay marriage forever, until yesterday. I just dont see why he is getting so much praise now. If i was a Gay Marriage advocate, i would be PISSED. Why didnt he come out in support BEFORE the NC vote? Why wait until now? It doesnt make any sense. Its like he only picks a position when its politically expediant for him, when he can score some cheap points.

All people that are against gay marriage in the US are against it for christian biblical reasons. There is not a single reasonable secular argument against it. Ask ANY person or lawmaker why they're against it and they'll ultimately say "Because that's the way God made it".

ANd that is perfectly fine. People are perfectly entitled to their religious beliefs, but if gays get married, how does that change the christian faith? Thats my point.

If i believe the sky is blue, and someone tells me that its green, it doesnt matter. I KNOW ITS BLUE, I BELIEVE IT IS BLUE, regardless of what anyone else tells me.

Christians are entitled to believing that marriage is for a man and a woman, but why does letting a man and a man or woman and a woman get married change their belief in what marriage should be?

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People are entitled to their opinions. Obama has been very anti-gay marriage forever, until yesterday. I just dont see why he is getting so much praise now. If i was a Gay Marriage advocate, i would be PISSED. Why didnt he come out in support BEFORE the NC vote? Why wait until now? It doesnt make any sense. Its like he only picks a position when its politically expediant for him, when he can score some cheap points.

He's been pretty progressive about it for a long time. He's also said his beliefs and his policies are two separate things, as they should be

http://gma.yahoo.com/timeline-obamas...-politics.html

[Potter]

Just thought I would share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO...qf-sm7C-_KfIYA

[blaknoize]

This kind of shit to me is just a distraction. I honestly sometimes think its purposeful to keep people ignorant.

"Lets make them argue about some worthless bullshit so they don't focus on all the more serious issues going on in our state/country. How about gays getting married? It has absolutely no impact on their way of life and gives us more time to pointlessly dance around and play tug of war with this whole economy thing. Perfect!"

Or the NDAA

[BanginJimmy]

Where's BanginJimmy at? Wanna know why I don't like states rights? Because states pass stupid shit like this. If I get gay married in one state that recognizes it, then I drive through NC and get in a car accident and sent to the hospital, guess what? I won't be able to get any benefits from my spouse.

Dont confuse states rights with bible thumper mentality. This is another in a long issues I have with the GOP and why I would never align myself with them. Their fiscal and foreign policies are am typically pretty well in line with. Social issues I am rarely in line with even though I can understand the reasoning behind some of them.

How's that for separation of church and state? Lol. I think NC just extended its middle finger to the constitution. Lol

Please point out anything in our founding documents that say anything about seperation of church and state. And I agree, this is a blatant disregard for that concept, even though it isnt officially recognized. The legal question I have is one that was brought up already and one that I have yet to hear from a lawyer about. How do the anti gay marriage laws affect the Full Faith and Credit Clause? Can these laws be attacked under that clause of the constitution?

Political suicide you think? I think the people that don't support marriage equality weren't gonna vote for him anyway. Maybe a push to rally the lazy progressive kids who don't vote?

I dont know if it is political suicide, but it is a huge gamble. Blacks are a huge factor in Obama's voting base and he needs them to turn out in huge numbers again for him to have a chance at re-election. The gamble comes in when you consider that blacks are the most anti gay demographic if the country. I'm not delusional enough to think they this will change the black vote, but IMO it could lead to large numbers of blacks, especially evangelical ones, staying home on election day. If that happens, Obama is going to be in trouble in many of the swing states that he is going to need, especially Ohio, PA, and Florida. He won NC in '08, I can almost assure you he wont this year, so that is already 1 swing state he lost and I dont see him picking any up.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/colu...-thing/1175642

[BanginJimmy]

I answered when called out, and I guess I scare away the competition.

[nelson9995]

I always find it funny how the right wing who is so against big govt telling them how to live, want to tell other people how to live. Ironic.

Its 2012, let the gays get married, is it really that big of a deal? People are entitled to their opinions, but the justification for banning gay marriage is long over with. Its about as stupid as keeping weed illegal.

sorry I know this is old... I don't agree with gay marriage and I'm not going to argue why BUT I do agree that weed being illegal is dumb af.

BTW I was at the "Quad" about a month ago and saw 2 gay guys making out, hugging and cuddling next to me... Can't remember the last time I felt that uncomfortable lol.

[BanginJimmy]

sorry I know this is old... I don't agree with gay marriage and I'm not going to argue why BUT I do agree that weed being illegal is dumb af.

So let me get this straight. A mind altering drug should be legal, but 2 guys getting married shouldnt be? Now what is really "dumb as fuck"? Please give me just one way gay marriage affects your life, doesnt even have to be a negative affect, just any effect on your life.

BTW I was at the "Quad" about a month ago and saw 2 gay guys making out, hugging and cuddling next to me... Can't remember the last time I felt that uncomfortable lol.

Your homophobia is a sign of your ignorance. Your comfort means shit. Seriously, get over it.