New GA all motor K series record

[05dc5s]

'05 RSX, 93 octane with all accessories :cheers:

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr295/Moseley525/KFTMFW.png



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23PS9Eg4cCE

[firby911]

Arrr i want an rsx,whats all done to it if you dont mind me asking?

[Moseley]

oh snap...

:couch:

[05dc5s]

Arrr i want an rsx,whats all done to it if you dont mind me asking?

Well I don't want to reveal all that quite yet but I'll say this... it's all off the shelf parts and a simple K build.

[DeeAOne]

This is 100% motor? No bottle or nothing?

[05dc5s]

This is 100% motor? No bottle or nothing?

Yes 100% all motor. This is with no bottle and on 93 octane.

[DeeAOne]

Wow. My hats off to you sir. I've never seen a K make that much without bottle before. Congrats. :goodjob:

[chunky]

Wow. My hats off to you sir. I've never seen a K make that much without bottle before. Congrats. :goodjob:

LOL @ thinking there is spray involved. If you look at any dyno from a nitrous powered motor, there is a big jump in torque when the nitrous hits. 05dc5s's dyno is so smooth you can barely tell where VTEC is engaging. Nothing but all motor goodness there.

[EmminoDaGreat]

Must be a big motor making 200tq :p
Good shit though, I was wondering when/if you where gonna post it..

[firby911]

Well I don't want to reveal all that quite yet but I'll say this... it's all off the shelf parts and a simple K build.

Ahh well good shit either way:goodjob::goodjob:

[cb7]

2.6 stroker kit eh?

[05dc5s]

Thanks for the compliments guys!



2.6 stroker kit eh?

It's a bone stock crank.

[OnURleft]

excellence here

[DarKStaR]

very nice man

[ludeguy420]

damn.. thats a beast

[K24cb7coupe]

gotta be stage 3 cams and 12.5:1 or higher comp. nice work.

[DustnU]

Damn it man!! That's around where I hope to be, gonna take a while but it's worth it. AWESOME!!!!

[gerardojdm]

Nice!

[91s13]

Nice Matt

[1CleanEg]

Good stuff man, definitely impressive

[stretch]

niceeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!!!!!!! good shit matt..

[EmminoDaGreat]

Hey, if you bolt it into an eg, thats instant 300+ :P

[KIZDAWAY]

...the beginning of the end. expect more

[Moseley]

Hey, if you bolt it into an eg, thats instant 300+ :P

Or if he drives it past the GA state line it's an instant 300+ :lmao:

[MidnightAuto]

'05 RSX, 93 octane with all accessories :cheers:

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr295/Moseley525/KFTMFW.png

I like, I like... Good tuner cuz that curve is perfect.... What was the uncorrected numbers?

[05dc5s]

I like, I like... Good tuner cuz that curve is perfect.... What was the uncorrected numbers?

282 STD correction factor of 1.03

[justnprsh07]

Want so sell it?

[05dc5s]

Want so sell it?

Haha prolly not. But hey man this is a simple build I'm sure you could pull it off yourself.

[justnprsh07]

Yea im doing an allmotor but wondering if imwaisting my time with h2b shooting for 330plus, I know ppl up north do it often but u know how they automatically make moe power up there....

[1civic]

And my little B rode along side that heavy bitch...LOL!!


Edit: Now I know why chunky ask how much spray I had...LMAO!!

http://youtu.be/3XVUKLrCgK8

*crickets*

:taun:

[DeeAOne]

That little B moves.

Damn guess I gotta build the K just to keep up with you guys. Lol

[1civic]

That little B moves.

Damn guess I gotta build the K just to keep up with you guys. Lol

2012 civic si has a K24Z7....

*hint hint*

Later!!

[h22 jones]

Any real racer knows losing is losing doesnt matter if its by a inch or a mile lmao. Looked like he was playing with you to me lmao.

Nice build man . Thats what a all motor dyno is suppose to look like . Nice tourqe curve .

I understand how a h2b with a b16 tranny would put the motor in my dads car over 270 but how would bolting this swap in a eg put it over 300 ? It would deffently be a nasty in a eg thats for sure . Oh i got ya no ac ,no ps equals 10hp . Yup 300 easy in a eg.

Justin why over 330 ? I mean i plan on being able to drive mine when i want but not dding it and im not going to make no were near that . Mine as well be a strait drag motor . Havnt you learned there is a such thing as to much yet lol. I couldnt imagine that motor in a rsx . When the motor in my dads car was in my heavy ass accord i kept breaking everything lol. Maybe it was just the 19s lol.

[h22 jones]

That little B moves.

Damn guess I gotta build the K just to keep up with you guys. Lol

As if bobbys head wasnt big enough lol.

[h22 jones]

The hp seemed to still be maintaining at 8,900 rpms when did it fall off ? Or was that it ? I mean you can tell everything is working realy well together man just by the dyno good shit.

[h22 jones]

Wonder how long that brake upgrade takes now lmao.

[DeeAOne]

2012 civic si has a K24Z7....

*hint hint*

Later!!

Maybe if I had 40k lol. Nah I love my little Mazda.

JE makes a set to bump compression to 11.5:1 but I don't have that kind of money. Lol

[05dc5s]

And my little B rode along side that heavy bitch...LOL!!


Edit: Now I know why chunky ask how much spray I had...LMAO!!

http://youtu.be/3XVUKLrCgK8

*crickets*

:taun:

Cool so you're posting videos of you LOSING...better get used to it!


That little B moves.

Damn guess I gotta build the K just to keep up with you guys. Lol

Your car seems pretty cool man but the more Ks there are out there the more fun it is.


2012 civic si has a K24Z7....

*hint hint*

Later!!

Exhaust manifold integrated in the head FTGDMFL!

And I think its only VTEC on the intake side...fail


Wonder how long that brake upgrade takes now lmao.

LMFAO!

[1civic]

I'm looking into the Z7 Block.. In the mean time I'll be stocking parts for the K swap, if I run into a '12 SI or TSX at the auction then it's game on!!

[05dc5s]

I'm looking into the Z7 Block.. In the mean time I'll be stocking parts for the K swap, if I run into a '12 SI or TSX at the auction then it's game on!!

So has B.O.B. given up on the B and decided to go K?

[1civic]

As if bobbys head wasnt big enough lol.

You should ride in it now!! O LORD!!! TQ FO DAYS!!!

:boobies:

:cheers:

[1civic]

IS this hooptie in the streets yet or are you waiting on brakes like greg? just wondering!!

[h22 jones]

You should ride in it now!! O LORD!!! TQ FO DAYS!!!

:boobies:

:cheers:

You have a b series man . I have a h series lol you have no idea what tourqe is lol.

[1civic]

You have a b series man . I have a h series lol you have no idea what tourqe is lol.

hey now, don't sink my boat!! GEEEZZZZ


:tongue1:


~goes to bed~

[K24cb7coupe]

nice smooth torque curve:goodjob:

[EmminoDaGreat]

I would say he let his numbers out because its probably changed in a way now. Who knows, still kick ass power.

[boosted347]

You have a b series man . I have a h series lol you have no idea what tourqe is lol.
I have a stroker 302 you has no idea what torque is lol :taun: :cheers:

[boosted347]

You have a b series man . I have a h series lol you have no idea what tourqe is lol.
I have a stroker 302 you has no idea what torque is lol :taun: :cheers:

[tdurr]

Still a buster

[justnprsh07]

Justin why over 330 ? I mean i plan on being able to drive mine when i want but not dding it and im not going to make no were near that . Mine as well be a strait drag motor . Havnt you learned there is a such thing as to much yet lol. I couldnt imagine that motor in a rsx . When the motor in my dads car was in my heavy ass accord i kept breaking everything lol. Maybe it was just the 19s lol.

Yea ive learned that you can go to far with it but u can always turn it down...you know im a go big or go home kinda guy

[Vteckidd]

"nah son that 2013 k24 block is way mo betta"

Lol, ricers

[NEMO]

'05 RSX, 93 octane with all accessories :cheers:

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr295/Moseley525/KFTMFW.png


Well I don't want to reveal all that quite yet but I'll say this... it's all off the shelf parts and a simple K build.

you've already let the numbers out of the bag, I don't see why you wouldn't want to tell whats done to it

[AlmostFast]

Do you mind telling who the tuner was?

[Vteckidd]

It's not hard to figure it out guys lol

It's at least a k24, or a bored/sleeved k24 ( he said stock crank so it is prob 2.5+ but not much bigger)

93 octane prob means 11.5-12.5:1

Would be nice to now if it's rbc or something else. Cams too. Can only be so many off the shelf cams making that kind of power(skunk2, old IPS, etc)

290 is a ton of power , need to lighten that chassis

[1civic]

It's not hard to figure it out guys lol

It's at least a k24, or a bored/sleeved k24 ( he said stock crank so it is prob 2.5+ but not much bigger)

93 octane prob means 11.5-12.5:1

Would be nice to now if it's rbc or something else. Cams too. Can only be so many off the shelf cams making that kind of power(skunk2, old IPS, etc)

290 is a ton of power , need to lighten that chassis
lol, ricer

[spank]

Do you mind telling who the tuner was?

x2

[h22 jones]

I have a stroker 302 you has no idea what torque is lol :taun: :cheers:

V8 pricks . lol

[gforce71]

You should ride in it now!! O LORD!!! TQ FO DAYS!!!

:boobies:

:cheers:


I bet my bseries makes more TQ... lol

[tdurr]

I bet my bseries makes more TQ... lol

Hater.

[tdurr]

I bet my bseries makes more TQ... lol

Hater.

[boosted347]

V8 pricks . lol

I kid i kid :) any car thats fast i respect regardless of cylinders :goodjob:

[h22 jones]

Damn now you saying you picking on me because my shits slow ? I cant win lmao . jp

[h22 jones]

If bobby got out of his car into mine he would think my car is slow .

Its so quiet and doesnt rev to 9,000 rpms .

Its just a totaly different feeling then a b series lol.

[05dc5s]

Do you mind telling who the tuner was?


x2

The tuner is Ed Senf.

[1civic]

If bobby got out of his car into mine he would think my car is slow .

Its so quiet and doesnt rev to 9,000 rpms .

Its just a totaly different feeling then a b series lol.

I go from gas v8 to diesel turbo to a na honda, umm ya my beater has no TQ, and it's slow....LMAO!!

[1civic]

The tuner is Ed Senf.

I call bullshit since it wasn't on MainStream's dyno, O... And I didn't see it so HA!!!

[Got Milk?]

What are the stock numbers of a rsx on that same dyno? Seeing as it's dynojet and they usually read higher then most dynos out there. 300hp on dynojet might be like 240hp on mustang dyno.

[05dc5s]

What are the stock numbers of a rsx on that same dyno? Seeing as it's dynojet and they usually read higher then most dynos out there. 300hp on dynojet might be like 240hp on mustang dyno.

You must be thinking of dynapacs not dynojets and a stock 05-06 RSX makes 170s on this jet.

[stretch]

who cares wat dyno and wat it would make on a mustang dyno.... its a acura not a dang mustang...lmaoooooo..........
congrats on the big power matt, u doing ur thing

[Got Milk?]

You must be thinking of dynapacs not dynojets and a stock 05-06 RSX makes 170s on this jet.

No, I am thinking of dynojets. From my experiences they read higher. Not dissing this rsx, makes me miss my old one even more. have fun with the car, 100 shot wouldnt hurt it :O

[Got Milk?]

who cares wat dyno and wat it would make on a mustang dyno.... its a acura not a dang mustang...lmaoooooo..........
congrats on the big power matt, u doing ur thing

lol wut.

Who cares? It matters which dyno you use. On dynojet I was in high 300's, on mustang i barely touched 350. There are high reading dynos, and then there is the mustang dyno, aka the heart breaker. Mustang dynos put the actual load on the car as if its on the track or on the road. Other dynos dont do that, which is why they read about 10-15 percent higher. ANd that is why a lot of tuners preffer to tune on mustang dyno. They get the real time load. So a car that is making 300hp on the dynojet will not see that that 300hp on the road. Since it wasnt under the same load while it was on the roller.

[1civic]

Just brakes just called looking for Matt the owner of said rsx, seems his $99 brake job is done!!!!

OP, umm would you like a ride to pick up your car hoomie?


Just Sayin!!!


:lmfao:

[05dc5s]

No, I am thinking of dynojets. From my experiences they read higher. Not dissing this rsx, makes me miss my old one even more. have fun with the car, 100 shot wouldnt hurt it :O

From my experience dynojets are the standard and mustang dynos read lower.

[1civic]

AND WHERE THE FUCK IS GREG???

I told ya'll about fuck'in with "just Brakes".... GEEEEZZZZ!!!!


:taun:

[05dc5s]

who cares wat dyno and wat it would make on a mustang dyno.... its a acura not a dang mustang...lmaoooooo..........
congrats on the big power matt, u doing ur thing

Thanks Man :goodjob:

[Got Milk?]

From my experience dynojets are the standard and mustang dynos read lower.

Doubt that. Since the car on dynojet is not on the same load as it would be on the street. While on the mustang, the load is the same as the load on the street, track. Either way, you have a nice car.

[1civic]

who cares wat dyno and wat it would make on a mustang dyno.... its a acura not a dang mustang...lmaoooooo..........
congrats on the big power matt, u doing ur thing

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/images1.jpg

[Got Milk?]

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/images1.jpg

mustang dyno=ford mustang. lol

[05dc5s]

Doubt that. Since the car on dynojet is not on the same load as it would be on the street. While on the mustang, the load is the same as the load on the street, track. Either way, you have a nice car.

I'm well aware how a dynojet, dynapac, and a mustang dyno measure power. I called it the standard based on it's widespread use and commonality.

Thanks for compliment I love the car.

[Got Milk?]

I'm well aware how a dynojet, dynapac, and a mustang dyno measure power. I called it the standard based on it's widespread use and commonality.

Thanks for compliment I love the car.


:goodjob::goodjob:

[EmminoDaGreat]

Doubt that. Since the car on dynojet is not on the same load as it would be on the street. While on the mustang, the load is the same as the load on the street, track. Either way, you have a nice car.

But what if the dynojet is a load bearing one?
What if the roller is the exact same weight as the car?

[boosted347]

Doubt that. Since the car on dynojet is not on the same load as it would be on the street. While on the mustang, the load is the same as the load on the street, track. Either way, you have a nice car.
Why are you the only one that thinks the mustang dyno is the standard???

mustang dyno=ford mustang. lol
And whats wrong with a mustang...my 4000 lb convertible car will drag the subaru all over the road :taun:

[Vteckidd]

There are far more dynojets in GA than mustang dynos. And from my experience balanced is in line with all other dynojets in GA. Or at least the big 3.

If it made 240 on a mustang dyno it's irrelevant since he dynoed at balanced.

[David88vert]

Dynojets are sthe standard in the industry. Period. DD's, Mustang's, etc are all excellent units, but the Dynojet is still the standard. Dynojet's are available as load-bearing and interia.
A dyno is just a tool to help a tuner achieve maximum cylinder pressure, and the output numbers are just for that. You don't race dyno numbers at the track - you go for track times. Concentrate on improving the track time, and leave the dyno numbers where they belong - with the tuner.

[-S Double C-]

Dynojets are sthe standard in the industry. Period. DD's, Mustang's, etc are all excellent units, but the Dynojet is still the standard. Dynojet's are available as load-bearing and interia.
A dyno is just a tool to help a tuner achieve maximum cylinder pressure, and the output numbers are just for that. You don't race dyno numbers at the track - you go for track times. Concentrate on improving the track time, and leave the dyno numbers where they belong - with the tuner.

boy you spoke that shit like a champ i use to love putting my 192hp zx10 on 220hp nitrous bikes at the track. They had already swore i had a sneaky peak on the bike or motor work going 5.60's and 8.70's

[Got Milk?]

I didnt mean to start any drama, I was just speaking from my own experiences and from tuners experiences.

[boosted347]

I didnt mean to start any drama, I was just speaking from my own experiences and from tuners experiences.

Eh its the internet man...every statement creates drama lol

[DarKStaR]

Just to add fuel to the fire.....my turbo setup made 403whp on mainstreams dynojet and 382whp on jjspec's mustang dyno in similar conditions...

[David88vert]

Eh its the internet man...every statement creates drama lol

Oh, so now you want some?! ;)

[h22 jones]

I've either had or towed many cars to balance to get gunned . There dyno in no way reads high and never has . Im always talking about scottie tunning because he does a great job and is a lot easier to get a hold of then ed. If you don't mind waiting ed is the man and knows his shit. Hell he flys all around the world doing this shit. My problem is I kinda feel like when you tune 800hp cars everyday anything less is at the very least boring to him and I.prefer someone like scottie that is interested in my build and I can call up on a dailey basis and shoot the shit with . I don't tune so I can't tell you the difference between good and great but ed knows his shit. On the other hand I'm up there getting bertas car runner and I tell ed my setup and my power show him my dyno and ask if he thinks he can get any more power out of it . His response was I could play with it for a couple hours and maybe two more hp . Either that means scottie is that good or I was boring ed to death and he didn't want to mess with it Lmao.

[boosted347]

Oh, so now you want some?! ;)

Duh shit man...ill drag your slow mustang with my slow mustang lololol ;)

[h22 jones]

I guess that's why petters car made 900hp and barely ran nines. It just aggravated me that the man has a nice setup and somebody acts like the dyno is off lol. Then say the.difference between 240-300hp lol wow . I mean that heavy ass rsx is pulling 240 HP stripped hatches so 300 HP isn't far fetched.

[h22 jones]

Tractor pull :)

[1civic]

I guess that's why petters car made 900hp and barely ran nines. It just aggravated me that the man has a nice setup and somebody acts like the dyno is off lol. Then say the.difference between 240-300hp lol wow . I mean that heavy ass rsx is pulling 240 HP stripped hatches so 300 HP isn't far fetched.

I heard 290 off the rip that night... Funny that info comes out after I got bashed for calling him out on it...LOL,

[1civic]

04-17-2011 11:02 PM #53 1civic
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Originally Posted by 05dc5s
Actually I gave you race you wanted remember? But you are right you aren't making TOO many excuses. It was fun to run and it went down drama free with no cops so I am calling it a good night.
Mosley said no digs, 45-50 on the phone.. I said ok, left the steelies on and came out..

I made it short and sweet when you guys pulled up, I got right to business..

Just be honest with folks and say "yes I have a gutted RSX that makes 290hp"

With that said, It was a fun cold night, and could have been better if Midnight Auto Hatch got a run in..

[David88vert]

Duh shit man...ill drag your slow mustang with my slow mustang lololol ;)

Fox Body owns SN-95...... :taun:

[1civic]

Fox Body owns SN-95...... :taun:

Its the same damn car back to 79....LMAO!!! GTFO

[boosted347]

Its the same damn car back to 79....LMAO!!! GTFO

def not man mine weighs like 1000 lbs more lol

[David88vert]

Its the same damn car back to 79....LMAO!!! GTFO

Incorrect - I've owned several of them, and newer ones also. Go to any NMCA race, and see what chassis is more popular by far. All those shops might know something.
Now, GTFO with your slow NA Honda......

[1civic]

Incorrect - I've owned several of them, and newer ones also. Go to any NMCA race, and see what chassis is more popular by far. All those shops might know something.
Now, GTFO with your slow NA Honda......

I really hope you guys are not that dumb, look up the schematics.. Ford might have changed a body panel, but thats it...LOL

O and I guess you never took 03 parts and installed them on a 88-90 coupe..:screwy:

[gforce71]

Fox Body owns SN-95...... :taun:

want to find out? haha

[David88vert]

I really hope you guys are not that dumb, look up the schematics.. Ford might have changed a body panel, but thats it...LOL

O and I guess you never took 03 parts and installed them on a 88-90 coupe..:screwy:

We aren't dumb enough to drive NA 4cyls and think that they are fast....
Weight makes a difference - if it didn't, you wouldn't gut those NA 4 cyls....

[David88vert]

want to find out? haha

I already know - you would be the one finding out..... ;)

[1civic]

We aren't dumb enough to drive NA 4cyls and think that they are fast....
Weight makes a difference - if it didn't, you wouldn't gut those NA 4 cyls....

Please just hush your trap.. You own a bike which is a four banger you dumb fuck, let me also guess hmmm, you think it's fast huh?...LMAO!!

[boosted347]

^^^$100 says his 4 cylinder bike skull fucks your honda lol

[gforce71]

I already know - you would be the one finding out..... ;)

sounds like fun... haha my sn95 vs your fox

Lets just hope my trans holds lol

[David88vert]

Please just hush your trap.. You own a bike which is a four banger you dumb fuck, let me also guess hmmm, you think it's fast huh?...LMAO!!

Actually, I know that it is NOT fast - but it is faster than anything that you own.
Notice that I used the word "drive" earlier, instead of "ride" - comprehension is beyond you..... looks like you proved yourself to be the "dumb fuck"....

[David88vert]

sounds like fun... haha my sn95 vs your fox

Lets just hope my trans holds lol

Had to change my transmission - T5 wasn't going to cut it anymore....

[SPOOLIN]

jesus christ, a bike racing a 4 cylinder car is only cool when the 4 cyl car is faster...just like when a honda races a damn v8....the v8 is a lamer if he wins and boasts, but its cool if the honda wins. But its still not cause the V8 guy makes excuses after excuses. Who cares!

[gforce71]

Had to change my transmission - T5 wasn't going to cut it anymore....

I'm in the market. just praying this one holds up till I get a new one lol. but I doubt it will...

[05dc5s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23PS9Eg4cCE

Added a this vid of a dyno session and a couple of clips to the original post

[stretch]

lol@ no b or h series got harmed during the making of this film....too funny

[justnprsh07]

jesus christ, a bike racing a 4 cylinder car is only cool when the 4 cyl car is faster...just like when a honda races a damn v8....the v8 is a lamer if he wins and boasts, but its cool if the honda wins. But its still not causn noy the V8 guy makes excuses after excuses. Who cares!

Lol too true bc v8 vs 4cyl, a v8 Cant win... Either he wins the race and is a looser for racing a 4cyl or 4cyl wins and v8 is even a bigger looser for not winning lol

[DarKStaR]

moves pretty good

[*EFilliated*]

x2


moves pretty good

[Moseley]

...the beginning of the end. expect more

:ninja:

[jerseyef9]

lol@ no b or h series got harmed during the making of this film....too funny

x2

[TheSnail]

Endyn preped head perhaps? Just wondering as thats who I'm going with after researching my options.

[1civic]

Actually, I know that it is NOT fast - but it is faster than anything that you own.
Notice that I used the word "drive" earlier, instead of "ride" - comprehension is beyond you..... looks like you proved yourself to be the "dumb fuck"....

Do you race anything? Nevermind, I know the answer.. You're that dick in the parking lot that thinks he can beat the world huh? A mustang is nothing special in my eyes..

Blah, blah with the small block bull shit, which also needs a blower to carry the weight of your fat ass.. Go make over 100hp per liter na and you might have something, then add your bullshit leaf blower.. LMAO!! .,.... Wait go flow those Victor JR's and tell me if they hit 300cfm's @500, hell I bet they can't with your 600+lift cam...LOL!! Enlighten me with something speical you have done to this mustang which makes it unique!!! Can it run a road course, or drift maybe? O wait, it only goes straight huh?

Damn if only I had a mustang so I could be cool just like you and all the other pick v8 fucks who think they are the shit, get real man.. I'm done with you and your weak come-backs!! Run your car, not your key board.. If you think so high of your turd, run someone who has a semi-quick honda, boosted, or NA.. Then post up, etherway you look like the dummy, not me!!!

[boosted347]

Do you race anything? Nevermind, I know the answer.. You're that dick in the parking lot that thinks he can beat the world huh? A mustang is nothing special in my eyes..

Blah, blah with the small block bull shit, which also needs a blower to carry the weight of your fat ass.. Go make over 100hp per liter na and you might have something, then add your bullshit leaf blower.. LMAO!! .,.... Wait go flow those Victor JR's and tell me if they hit 300cfm's @500, hell I bet they can't with your 600+lift cam...LOL!! Enlighten me with something speical you have done to this mustang which makes it unique!!! Can it run a road course, or drift maybe? O wait, it only goes straight huh?

Damn if only I had a mustang so I could be cool just like you and all the other pick v8 fucks who think they are the shit, get real man.. I'm done with you and your weak come-backs!! Run your car, not your key board.. If you think so high of your turd, run someone who has a semi-quick honda, boosted, or NA.. Then post up, etherway you look like the dummy, not me!!!

umadbro :taun: my 5.0 shitstang is special though, its not an na b series :yes:

[1civic]

umadbro :taun: my 5.0 shitstang is special though, its not an na b series :yes:

Internet is only entertainment to me!! But again you have a straight line car, if I wanted a straight line rush I'd build a bike...LOL Each to their own!!:cheers:

[boosted347]

Internet is only entertainment to me!! But again you have a straight line car, if I wanted a straight line rush I'd build a bike...LOL Each to their own!!:cheers:

Will I not like you when youre angry lol and yea its all entertainment...and naw my car turns just fine actually :) I have an na 4 cylinder also so I know how it feels to be slow :ninja: but you right to each there own

[1civic]

Will I not like you when youre angry lol and yea its all entertainment...and naw my car turns just fine actually :) I have an na 4 cylinder also so I know how it feels to be slow :ninja: but you right to each there own

I don't see a 90/10 and a skinny turning very well...LOL

[boosted347]

Who said mine is 90/10 lol

[1civic]

Who said mine is 90/10 lol

common swap, i just assumed...lol

[boosted347]

naw man mines not a common drag setup mustang...i know you dont know the car but its a convertible so no drag racer here lol

[1civic]

naw man mines not a common drag setup mustang...i know you dont know the car but its a convertible so no drag racer here lol

lol, it's boosted with 2 turbos.. It's no turd, low boost is sick i'm sure..:goodjob:

[boosted347]

lol, it's boosted with 1 turbo... It's no turd, the only boost setting it has is sick i'm sure..:goodjob:
Fixed for ya lol but its about to get alot sicker within the next few weeks and even better by christmas :ninja: im putting a lawn DART in it :yes:

[1civic]

Fixed for ya lol but its about to get alot sicker within the next few weeks and even better by christmas :ninja: im putting a lawn DART in it :yes:

Mmmm, mo boost plz!!! LOL

[h22 jones]

Only two? Shit its not sick unless it has atleast three everybody knows that .

[1civic]

Only two? Shit its not sick unless it has atleast three everybody knows that .

Bugatti Veyron has four bitch!!! MO POWAA!!!


http://youtu.be/LO0PgyPWE3o

[h22 jones]

lmao. That just means he is super sick . I know you have already dynoed that b series. I mean was it so nad you want post it up ?

[1civic]

lmao. That just means he is super sick . I know you have already dynoed that b series. I mean was it so nad you want post it up ?

I haven't seen a dyno!! that is the truth..:cheers:

[boosted347]

Mmmm, mo boost plz!!! LOL

May actually see double digits lol

[David88vert]

Do you race anything? Nevermind, I know the answer.. You're that dick in the parking lot that thinks he can beat the world huh? A mustang is nothing special in my eyes..
Actually, I'm pretty sure that I have spent more time on the track than you have. And no, I'm not what you would consider a drag racer. It's too slow to beat a lot of cars, but its fast enough to beat any car that you own. It's not that I am fast, its that you are that slow. You're that dick in the parking lot that thinks he can beat the world with his NA 4 cyl ecomony car.


Blah, blah with the small block bull shit, which also needs a blower to carry the weight of your fat ass.. Go make over 100hp per liter na and you might have something, then add your bullshit leaf blower.. LMAO!! .,.... Wait go flow those Victor JR's and tell me if they hit 300cfm's @500, hell I bet they can't with your 600+lift cam...LOL!! Enlighten me with something speical you have done to this mustang which makes it unique!!! Can it run a road course, or drift maybe? O wait, it only goes straight huh?
I have put on a few pounds lately, but most people wouldn't think I'm fat. Slow guys want to argue hp per lite - fast guys talk track times. Guess which one you are? I don't have Vic Jrs, blower came with the car when I bought it, my cam is just a little E, no 600 lifts here. It is not unique, but are you trying to say that NA 4cyls are unique? Seems that there are more of them in this thread than foxbodys. My car is not setup for drag - and it can go around RA just fine - and better than you can get your Civic around it. How's your FWD doing for drifting?
You fail again.


Damn if only I had a mustang so I could be cool just like you and all the other pick v8 fucks who think they are the shit, get real man.. I'm done with you and your weak come-backs!! Run your car, not your key board.. If you think so high of your turd, run someone who has a semi-quick honda, boosted, or NA.. Then post up, etherway you look like the dummy, not me!!!
Even if you bought the baddest Mustang on the planet, you could never be as cool as me. You just never will be cool. What a person drives does not determine their "coolness" factor.
You talk about racing, but YOU have nothing to race. You are always trying to run someone else's car - and that makes you lame and a loser.
it's not my fault that you chose the wrong platform to spend your money on. You choose a car that is fine if you are going to do class racing, but you don't do that. You talk about running on the streets, where there are no classes - just who's fast, and who isn't. If you have to have someone else run for you because your car isn't fast enough to hang with my mostly stock foxbody, then you just have a stripped down economy car.

[David88vert]

Internet is only entertainment to me!! But again you have a straight line car, if I wanted a straight line rush I'd build a bike...LOL Each to their own!!:cheers:

Agreed. Bikes are cheaper to build.

[Vteckidd]

stock S2000 makes 100hp/liter, since i owned one does that make me cool now ?

HP/Liter is always in a hondas favor, thats easy to brag about.

i made over 135hp/liter several times on several cars, it was still a honda

[Vteckidd]

Endyn preped head perhaps? Just wondering as thats who I'm going with after researching my options.

Endyn sucks, never send anything to Larry. He lies and talks more than bobby, which i didnt think was possible

if you want a ported Honda head the best people (IMO) are Brad@RLZ, Portflow is VERY consistent, DonF if you are serious about making power

[boosted347]

stock S2000 makes 100hp/liter, since i owned one does that make me cool now ?

HP/Liter is always in a hondas favor, thats easy to brag about.

i made over 135hp/liter several times on several cars, it was still a honda

Thanks for bringin this up, i was gonna say its a lot easier, per say, to make 100hp/liter when the displacent is 1.8-2.0 etc...especially all motor on pump gas...its kinda hard to get a 5.0l to 500 whp NA on pump...thats alot of power

[boosted347]

Agreed. Bikes are cheaper to build.

This, and also they are an easy way to own something fast lol

[David88vert]

stock S2000 makes 100hp/liter, since i owned one does that make me cool now ?

HP/Liter is always in a hondas favor, thats easy to brag about.

i made over 135hp/liter several times on several cars, it was still a honda

P-port 13B's can make 300rwhp - and are only 1.3L.
One of my old GSL-SE's was standard port, and with just exhaust it made 156rwhp at 1.3L - so its not just Hondas that make hp/liter.

[Moseley]

Hmmmm just thinking... is it hard to make 100hp/liter because it is a larger engine... or is it because the engine says "made in the USA"?

TVR, BMW, Aston martin, and a couple others don't seem to have any problems building 100+ hp/liter V8s

I don't see any 100hp/liter domestic 4 bangers...
built Honda engines are making 140hp/liter...
built domestic engines are struggling to reach 100hp/liter...

of course 9 times out of 10 this leads into rambling about drag cars which makes me lol... because those engines are nothing at all like what comes in any domestic car.

so... this RSX makes about 140hp/liter on pump gas with oem castings and geometry, just different internals. I'll bet that never happens with a domestic engine, ever. By the time anyone gets close we'll have come up with something other than internal combustion engines.

[Moseley]

P-port 13B's can make 300rwhp - and are only 1.3L.
One of my old GSL-SE's was standard port, and with just exhaust it made 156rwhp at 1.3L - so its not just Hondas that make hp/liter.

And they also fire twice as often as a 4 stroke, so if you want to compare apples to apples they should be considered a 2.6L

edit... I'm wrong. on a 2 rotor it fires 3 times per revolution on each rotor... so you have 2 full cycles, 2 66% completed cycles, and 2 33% completed cycles in 1 revolution = 4 cycles...

now look at a 4 stroke 4 banger, in 1 revolution you have 4 50% completed cycles = 2 cycles.

hehe

[boosted347]

Yea you also pay out the ass for those euro v8s that do it too right since we all know an m series bmw cost the same as a mustang right...wont take it from the euros they make solid v8s for sure

[Moseley]

Yea you also pay out the ass for those euro v8s that do it too right since we all know an m series bmw cost the same as a mustang right...wont take it from the euros they make solid v8s for sure

very true... I was just using them as an example to say it is possible. the new 5.0 is almost there... best bang for the buck for sure.

[boosted347]

But the argument can also be made, as it has before that hp per liter is irrelevant, performance is all that matters whether it be 1/4 mile time or RA lap time, each car has its ups and downs as does each motor...argument will never cease or resolve itself so to each their own :) I want a crack at that m3 too :ninja:

[Vteckidd]

Hmmmm just thinking... is it hard to make 100hp/liter because it is a larger engine... or is it because the engine says "made in the USA"?

TVR, BMW, Aston martin, and a couple others don't seem to have any problems building 100+ hp/liter V8s

I don't see any 100hp/liter domestic 4 bangers...
built Honda engines are making 140hp/liter...
built domestic engines are struggling to reach 100hp/liter...

of course 9 times out of 10 this leads into rambling about drag cars which makes me lol... because those engines are nothing at all like what comes in any domestic car.

so... this RSX makes about 140hp/liter on pump gas with oem castings and geometry, just different internals. I'll bet that never happens with a domestic engine, ever. By the time anyone gets close we'll have come up with something other than internal combustion engines.

i really need to stop making general statments in this forum cause then it gets picked apart to death LOL ;)

You cannot count Rotaries for obvious reasons.

If we are talking ALL MOTOR i know of a few 100hp/liter 5.7L LSJuans, or close to it NA.

My point was Hondas are pretty easy to make 100hp/liter, its nothing special, like i said STOCK hondas come with that hp/liter off the showroom floor. hell the RSX and the old Civic SI were 100hp/liter off the showroom floor. Maybe not 100 WHP , but are we talking BHP or WHP?

But people find the bigger the motor the harder it is to reach 100% VE which is all hp/liter means. Honda CONSISTENTLY operate beyond 100% VE because of VTEC and other restrictions, but there comes a point where no matter how big the motor is, you cannot fill the cylinder or flow the air in is ingesting no matter what size cam, header, intake you have. You reach the threshold of how much air a motor can move pretty much and that grows with the size of the motor.

There comes a point where the displacement will give you TQ, not HP (think diesel engines). Is there a cam on the market or a head porting good enough to really produce 100+% VE out of a 2.6L K Series or more? the answer is no, you will always be limited.

[Moseley]

But the argument can also be made, as it has before that hp per liter is irrelevant, performance is all that matters whether it be 1/4 mile time or RA lap time, each car has its ups and downs as does each motor...argument will never cease or resolve itself so to each their own :) I want a crack at that m3 too :ninja:

LOL take off that turbo and we'll run

[boosted347]

LOL take off that turbo and we'll run

Awww :( how bout the hatch :yes:

[Vteckidd]

Case in point i had a long talk with John at Hytech years ago over an IPS built 2.6L stroker motor (or maybe it was 2.7) and basically it was this $20,000-30,000 motor (if someone wanted to reproduce it at the time). It had custom crank , cams, header, pistons, rods, etc there was NOTHING off the shelf in the motor. IPS liked to use big fancy words and high definition pics.

well when it was done it made something like 300whp/250TQ . All the IPS people and customers were so impressed, but i was not. So like i normally do i asked questions and Ron got pissed off because i didnt agree with him.

My post simply said "so you have a $20,000+ motor that makes less power than Skunk2s OLD race car motor you can buy fully assembled off their website for $9500. What is the point?"

If someone wanted a 250TQ engine there is far easier ways to do it, Supercharge, buy a v8, etc. I just didnt see the point and i didnt understand why people were congratulating him on building a motor that for all intensive purposes because of money and output, was simple, unimppresive. That motor served ZERO purpose. But he acted like it was some great feat that deserved praise.

Well anyway i was doing some header testing back then and i was on the phone with John and since i knew he was doing K20 stuff, and i know he did alot of Grand Am stuff i asked him about it. And it made sense:

He said in his opinion (now remember this was YEARS ago before there was anything for the K24s) that the best engine size is 2.0l. It was the most efficient. The cams, valve sizes, head porting, etc all was geared toward that engine size and it was very easy to make that motor reach maximum VE. The problem with IPS 2.6 or 2.7L motor was as he put it "there isnt a valve big enough you could put in that head that would maximize the cam needed to match the intake plenum and fill the cylinder in time." Turns out as time when on he was right. You are so limited as you go up in engine size. Cam size means nothing without the right valve size which means nothing without the right porting, and so forth.

You WILL reach a limit at some point. That limit you WANT to be 100% or greater volumetric efficiency. But that is not always the case. I mean you cant port a B honda head big enough to flow 400CFM, its just NOT POSSIBLE because there isnt enough material. Period. You can only run so big a cam, etc.

Which leads me back to the point that the hp/liter argument is very easy to win with a honda, because they have proven over time their 2.0l are just so efficient and well built. its a smaller motor which is easier usually to work with. 2.0l 4 cylinder is prob one of the most efficient motors ever created, on any platform, from the Sr20DET to the K20, to the 2.0l Cobalt motor, etc.

Now as time has gone on, it seems the K24s are being developed and there IS stuff on the market now that can produce awesome results. There are cars making 120-140hp/liter out of the K24 motors, and thats really impressive. But the 2.0l B Series did that years ago. Erik Aguilar made 150 in 2002.

Again , bigger the motor, the harder to produce hp.liter

[Moseley]

i really need to stop making general statments in this forum cause then it gets picked apart to death LOL ;)

You cannot count Rotaries for obvious reasons.

If we are talking ALL MOTOR i know of a few 100hp/liter 5.7L LSJuans, or close to it NA.

My point was Hondas are pretty easy to make 100hp/liter, its nothing special, like i said STOCK hondas come with that hp/liter off the showroom floor. hell the RSX and the old Civic SI were 100hp/liter off the showroom floor. Maybe not 100 WHP , but are we talking BHP or WHP?

But people find the bigger the motor the harder it is to reach 100% VE which is all hp/liter means. Honda CONSISTENTLY operate beyond 100% VE because of VTEC and other restrictions, but there comes a point where no matter how big the motor is, you cannot fill the cylinder or flow the air in is ingesting no matter what size cam, header, intake you have. You reach the threshold of how much air a motor can move pretty much and that grows with the size of the motor.

There comes a point where the displacement will give you TQ, not HP (think diesel engines). Is there a cam on the market or a head porting good enough to really produce 100+% VE out of a 2.6L K Series or more? the answer is no, you will always be limited.

all true... I just wanted to make the point that with a lot of imports the OEM parts or the overall design of the engine is such that you can reach these power levels without serious modification. If you stray from "what can I do with OEM designs"... then we'll be sitting here comparing top fuel to F1 or some stupid shit like that.

regarding the cam / head for a 2.6L K... I think they exist, but a 2.6L is a stroker setup. so in order to reach 100+% VE on the larger Ks you need to abandon the OEM spec... which is probably true for all engines. Anyone can take a platform and throw money at it to see results.

[Vteckidd]

well obviously talking about your street builds, BAR HONDA had H22s making 350whp in england with the heads turned around backwards.

I dont think Bobby wants to tackle that one :P

[Moseley]

Maybe that is what Nemo's engine builder was trying to do when he installed the pistons backwards... except then he forgot to put the head on backwards?

[DarKStaR]

Maybe that is what Nemo's engine builder was trying to do when he installed the pistons backwards... except then he forgot to put the head on backwards?

el oh el

[Vteckidd]

Maybe that is what Nemo's engine builder was trying to do when he installed the pistons backwards... except then he forgot to put the head on backwards?

lol touche

[David88vert]

And they also fire twice as often as a 4 stroke, so if you want to compare apples to apples they should be considered a 2.6L...

Incorrect. Mazda, and every racing organization classify them as 1.1 L for 12a's an 1.3L for 13b's. Don't you think that racing organizations would have declared them as 2.6L's if they were? It is 1.3L per revolution of the eccentric shaft (it's crank). That is why they are usually grouped in the 6 cyl class - 6 faces firing in one revolution. Displacement is 3√3radius·offset·depth, multiplied with the number of rotors (note that this only counts a single face of each rotor as the entire rotor's displacement).
Now, why would you compare them to a 4 stroke? 4 stroke motors need 2 revolutions of the crank to complete a cycle. Rotaries do not have to make multiple strokes for the 4 phases of a combustion engine - they do it in one efficient stroke.

[Vteckidd]

Incorrect. Mazda, and every racing organization classify them as 1.1 L for 12a's an 1.3L for 13b's. Don't you think that racing organizations would have declared them as 2.6L's if they were? It is 1.3L per revolution of the eccentric shaft (it's crank). That is why they are usually grouped in the 6 cyl class - 6 faces firing in one revolution. Displacement is 3√3radius·offset·depth, multiplied with the number of rotors (note that this only counts a single face of each rotor as the entire rotor's displacement).
Now, why would you compare them to a 4 stroke? 4 stroke motors need 2 revolutions of the crank to complete a cycle. Rotaries do not have to make multiple strokes for the 4 phases of a combustion engine - they do it in one efficient stroke.
Rotary and efficient should never be listed in the same sentence :)

Rotaries are never in the same category as a traditional 4 stroke engine whether its racing class or HP figures because they are the oddball, different then everything else. So its hard to group 4 stroke engines into THEIR categories and vice versa.

Let me clarify the statement, 4 STROKE motors, EXCLUDING rOTARIES

[David88vert]

Rotary and efficient should never be listed in the same sentence :)

Rotaries are never in the same category as a traditional 4 stroke engine whether its racing class or HP figures because they are the oddball, different then everything else. So its hard to group 4 stroke engines into THEIR categories and vice versa.

Let me clarify the statement, 4 STROKE motors, EXCLUDING rOTARIES

Actually, 4 strokes are the oddball - 2 strokes and rotaries are more similar than 4 strokes and 2 strokes.
Rotarys are very efficient at producing power - but not very efficient when it comes to utilizing fuel. They make V8s look like gas sippers. 4 cyls don't need an overkill of fuel to cool like rotarys - and that's a good thing.

[Moseley]

Incorrect. Mazda, and every racing organization classify them as 1.1 L for 12a's an 1.3L for 13b's. Don't you think that racing organizations would have declared them as 2.6L's if they were? It is 1.3L per revolution of the eccentric shaft (it's crank). That is why they are usually grouped in the 6 cyl class - 6 faces firing in one revolution. Displacement is 3√3radius·offset·depth, multiplied with the number of rotors (note that this only counts a single face of each rotor as the entire rotor's displacement).
Now, why would you compare them to a 4 stroke? 4 stroke motors need 2 revolutions of the crank to complete a cycle. Rotaries do not have to make multiple strokes for the 4 phases of a combustion engine - they do it in one efficient stroke.

Well even if it only displaces 1.3L per revolution it is also igniting 1.3L, compared to a 1.3L 4 stroke which ignites 650cc per revolution.

So technically a rotary, if compared to a piston engine displacement wise, should be compared to a 2 stroke.

I guess that is what I was getting at...

[Moseley]

Lol... on my phone and didn't see your last response... I was going to say the same thing about fuel efficiency

[David88vert]

Well even if it only displaces 1.3L per revolution it is also igniting 1.3L, compared to a 1.3L 4 stroke which ignites 650cc per revolution.

So technically a rotary, if compared to a piston engine displacement wise, should be compared to a 2 stroke.

I guess that is what I was getting at...

But it isn't a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke, so that is comparing apples to oranges. I understand what you are attempting to say, but the fact is that the rotary is just a completely different engine that doesn't fit into the same limitations. It also has it's own set of issues, due to design, that do not plague 4 stroke engines.
There is no such thing as fuel efficiency when you discuss a rotary. You simply determine if you make enough money to pay for the fuel that it will consume - then you go get a second job.
Bringing up the rotary was just to make a point in the hp/liter discussion. And that only came up due to 1civic thinking that 100hp/liter was some sort of performance figure. Last I checked, hp/liter does not directly translate into track times, either on the road course or the dragstrip.

[Vteckidd]

When a rotary can get more than 15mpg holla

<owned an rx8:)

[Vteckidd]

Rotary is cool but the problem with them is the fuel efficiency. It's hard to market a 180whp "sports car" that struggles to get 15mpg. Especially when there is far better options :p

[TheSnail]

Endyn sucks, never send anything to Larry. He lies and talks more than bobby, which i didnt think was possible

if you want a ported Honda head the best people (IMO) are Brad@RLZ, Portflow is VERY consistent, DonF if you are serious about making power

Thank you Sir. I am completely foreign to Hondas and appreciate the advice from the OG's. I am dropping a pretty penny within a year so this kind of information is very critical. Goals for me are 280+whp NA for around $9k

[94_teg_ls]

Rotary is cool but the problem with them is the fuel efficiency. It's hard to market a 180whp "sports car" that struggles to get 15mpg. Especially when there is far better options :p

i actually averaged 25 highway keeping off the secondaries

[David88vert]

i actually averaged 25 highway keeping off the secondaries

Unless you make adjustments for the oil injection, you can cause premature wear to the engine by not taking the rpms high enough. On the older cars, you can shim the mechanical oil injection, on the newer ones, it's easiest to add a little premix to the gas. This is well documented.

You also had very little torque if you kept it below the 3800rpm where the secondary injectors kick in.

[TheSnail]

PS: The 9k figure is for a stock cr and displacment block. Head work, Jenevy ITBs, Standalone, Hytech header,Hytech cams, no cat, flywheel, clutch, fuel, tuning.

[h22 jones]

Thank you Sir. I am completely foreign to Hondas and appreciate the advice from the OG's. I am dropping a pretty penny within a year so this kind of information is very critical. Goals for me are 280+whp NA for around $9k

Send me 9,000 and i will more then exceed your 280hp lol. Ill seel you my whole set up and build it lol. Ill start over for 9,000 lol. All jokes aside unless you do your home work thats about what you end up spending if its done right . Im sure we dont have 6,000 in the si and with a h2b it would be around 270hp.

Man you got me to thinking i need to figure up my parts lol. I promise you if it equals 9,000 im making a for sale thread before i ever assemble one bolt .

[h22 jones]

I think i have two motors at my shop with pistons in backwards lol. Maybe there is something im missing more hp? lol

[1civic]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that I have spent more time on the track than you have. And no, I'm not what you would consider a drag racer. It's too slow to beat a lot of cars, but its fast enough to beat any car that you own. It's not that I am fast, its that you are that slow. You're that dick in the parking lot that thinks he can beat the world with his NA 4 cyl ecomony car.


I have put on a few pounds lately, but most people wouldn't think I'm fat. Slow guys want to argue hp per lite - fast guys talk track times. Guess which one you are? I don't have Vic Jrs, blower came with the car when I bought it, my cam is just a little E, no 600 lifts here. It is not unique, but are you trying to say that NA 4cyls are unique? Seems that there are more of them in this thread than foxbodys. My car is not setup for drag - and it can go around RA just fine - and better than you can get your Civic around it. How's your FWD doing for drifting?
You fail again.


Even if you bought the baddest Mustang on the planet, you could never be as cool as me. You just never will be cool. What a person drives does not determine their "coolness" factor.
You talk about racing, but YOU have nothing to race. You are always trying to run someone else's car - and that makes you lame and a loser.
it's not my fault that you chose the wrong platform to spend your money on. You choose a car that is fine if you are going to do class racing, but you don't do that. You talk about running on the streets, where there are no classes - just who's fast, and who isn't. If you have to have someone else run for you because your car isn't fast enough to hang with my mostly stock foxbody, then you just have a stripped down economy car.

Come find out what my full interior econo-box can do! It Seems you need to study much more than you do, in no way, shape or form will i ever build another mustang, well.... I'd build a coupe with a LSX...LMAO!!

You have yet to tell me what makes you king tut!!

Please explain, your ability to have accomplished everything amazes me!! Bring your POS and hurt my feelings, you do know that win or lose you're the ass, right? My slow ass car makes me happy win or lose so i guess you fail... Run your shit or hush your trap!! I'll be in @ the grand opening, if this mustang is not on jackstands then bring it, i'll pay for dyno time.. :)

[boosted347]

Come find out what my full interior econo-box can do! It Seems you need to study much more than you do, in no way, shape or form will i ever build another mustang, well.... I'd build a coupe with a LSX...LMAO!!

You have yet to tell me what makes you king tut!!

Please explain, your ability to have accomplished everything amazes me!! Bring your POS and hurt my feelings, you do know that win or lose you're the ass, right? My slow ass car makes me happy win or lose so i guess you fail... Run your shit or hush your trap!! I'll be in @ the grand opening, if this mustang is not on jackstands then bring it, i'll pay for dyno time.. :)

Wish i could make it cause id love to see my new numbers :) on your :2cents: of course :yes:

[1civic]

Wish i could make it cause id love to see my new numbers :) on your :2cents: of course :yes:

I'm a nobody!! Make what you want, race what you like!!! :) I give respect to all in person, fuck the internet.. I'm king kong on this bitch!! LOL

But yes, bring your hooptie with some cat liter and a broom...:taun:

[boosted347]

but teh internet is serious bitness

http://www.freshbytes.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/internet-serious-business-cat.jpg

[1civic]

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/images6.jpg

[David88vert]

Come find out what my full interior econo-box can do! It Seems you need to study much more than you do, in no way, shape or form will i ever build another mustang, well.... I'd build a coupe with a LSX...LMAO!!

You have yet to tell me what makes you king tut!!

Please explain, your ability to have accomplished everything amazes me!! Bring your POS and hurt my feelings, you do know that win or lose you're the ass, right? My slow ass car makes me happy win or lose so i guess you fail... Run your shit or hush your trap!! I'll be in @ the grand opening, if this mustang is not on jackstands then bring it, i'll pay for dyno time.. :)

I'm not telling you to build a Mustang - what you build is your choice. If you were to, I agree that a coupe with an LSX is not bad - cheap way to make good power, lots of options. You also could easily do a 351 in it.

I'm not the king, never claimed to be. You are the one that talks down to others on the site and mention about how fast you are, and ready to race, but then you turn and try to set up races with other people's cars and not run your own. What's up with that? No confidence in your setup?
If you are happy with your car's performance, then definitely don't change anything. I fully understand that and agree with it. I will not fault you for that, no matter what. I'm serious about that. The only person that has to be happy your car is you, and you are right to disregard anything I say concerning it, if it makes you happy.

I don't know what grand opening you are referring to, but I don't need anyone to pay for dyno time. My car has already been on the dyno, and I have free access to a couple of different dynos anytime that I like already.

Honestly, we could run, but we both know that my POS full-weight, DD would drag your competition engineered, reduced weight, weekend race car. :thinking:

[David88vert]

I'm a nobody!! Make what you want, race what you like!!! :) I give respect to all in person, fuck the internet.. I'm king kong on this bitch!! LOL

But yes, bring your hooptie with some cat liter and a broom...:taun:

I try to be nicer on the net than in real life - but I make certain to be respectful towards those that are respectful to me also.

Don't you know - Mustang owners keep the cat litter handy at all times - we always have something leaking....

[David88vert]

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/images6.jpg

I'm going to have to confiscate that piece of paper. Please hand it over immediately.

[h22 jones]

I'm going to have to confiscate that piece of paper. Please hand it over immediately.

I second that motion . All in favor say I.

[1civic]

I'm not telling you to build a Mustang - what you build is your choice. If you were to, I agree that a coupe with an LSX is not bad - cheap way to make good power, lots of options. You also could easily do a 351 in it.

I'm not the king, never claimed to be. You are the one that talks down to others on the site and mention about how fast you are, and ready to race, but then you turn and try to set up races with other people's cars and not run your own. What's up with that? No confidence in your setup?
If you are happy with your car's performance, then definitely don't change anything. I fully understand that and agree with it. I will not fault you for that, no matter what. I'm serious about that. The only person that has to be happy your car is you, and you are right to disregard anything I say concerning it, if it makes you happy.

I don't know what grand opening you are referring to, but I don't need anyone to pay for dyno time. My car has already been on the dyno, and I have free access to a couple of different dynos anytime that I like already.

Honestly, we could run, but we both know that my POS full-weight, DD would drag your competition engineered, reduced weight, weekend race car. :thinking:


I did the 440 inch 351, it was fun.. I found no use for the car though, I never drove it and parted everything!! I built enough 2/4 valve cars for the life of me, I will always be impressed by the 4 valve.. But Honda has stuck, it's not about a dyno # to me.. Hell I could careless what it runs in the 1/4.. Enjoying a car is what I care about, Have you ever heard the saying "if the glove fits than wear it" Well the Honda fit's me as a person, and also as a driver.. My knowledge is well beyond just honda's, that is just my choice!!

Now for racing, win or lose i'm the guy to shake your hand!! As for the races, if I can set up something and maybe win a little money than it's game on.. This happens all the time in the street, hell even at the track...LOL

Your welcome to take a stab at the beater, I offered the dyno time so you can't bullshit a stock block, tiny blower setup...lol, I'll only back down if I see more of a setup than you claim.. I know my limits on the streets, I don't see this car rolling on much of the newer setups people are starting to roll out with.. I'll update soon enough so I can still enjoy a kill story!! Until then i'm stuck with the little econo-box as it sits!!

All in fun, and another day passes on the internet!!

Later!

[1civic]

I second that motion . All in favor say I.

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/LPmWRHZp.jpg

[1civic]

buwahahahahah!!!!!

[Moseley]

The KF peeps need to all get together and sort this shit talking out with some runs...

...and bobby quit posting the pics you took of your jail-bait sister and cousin :taun:

[1civic]

The KF peeps need to all get together and sort this shit talking out with some runs...

...and bobby quit posting the pics you took of your jail-bait sister and cousin :taun:

Why you lookin?? That's how we roll out here in bama baby!!! Get-R-Dun...:boobies:

[1civic]

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/633760973510366095-Boobs.jpg

[boosted347]

Why you lookin?? That's how we roll out here in bama baby!!! Get-R-Dun...:boobies:

Your in bama....

[David88vert]

I did the 440 inch 351, it was fun.. I found no use for the car though, I never drove it and parted everything!! I built enough 2/4 valve cars for the life of me, I will always be impressed by the 4 valve.. But Honda has stuck, it's not about a dyno # to me.. Hell I could careless what it runs in the 1/4.. Enjoying a car is what I care about, Have you ever heard the saying "if the glove fits than wear it" Well the Honda fit's me as a person, and also as a driver.. My knowledge is well beyond just honda's, that is just my choice!!

Now for racing, win or lose i'm the guy to shake your hand!! As for the races, if I can set up something and maybe win a little money than it's game on.. This happens all the time in the street, hell even at the track...LOL

Your welcome to take a stab at the beater, I offered the dyno time so you can't bullshit a stock block, tiny blower setup...lol, I'll only back down if I see more of a setup than you claim.. I know my limits on the streets, I don't see this car rolling on much of the newer setups people are starting to roll out with.. I'll update soon enough so I can still enjoy a kill story!! Until then i'm stuck with the little econo-box as it sits!!

All in fun, and another day passes on the internet!!

Later!

I agree that you should drive what you like. I've always preferred rotarys, but have always had a variety. I personally cannot stand my Honda, but my wife loves Accords. I'd rather drive my Buick - even though it is much slower.
I know the hustle on the street. :D Good rule - always keep race to running someone that can drink with later. Never leave angry.
My car is nothing special - its a low mile car, and still has the original engine. Previous owner bolted on the entry model Vortech. I originally thought that it was an A-trim, because it was very noisy, but later found out from Vortech that it is and SC-trim (they looked it up with the serial number). I just got it back from them from having it rebuilt. Since you have a lot of experience with Mustangs, what do you think I am at power-wise (rwhp and rw-tq)?

[Vteckidd]

Thank you Sir. I am completely foreign to Hondas and appreciate the advice from the OG's. I am dropping a pretty penny within a year so this kind of information is very critical. Goals for me are 280+whp NA for around $9k

what motor? B Series?

wont happen , not for $9000. And it wont be a street car. Theres maybe 10 cars EVER that made that kind of power out of a B Series legit. IF THAT. ANd that motor will last MAYBE 10 passes at a drag strip

[Vteckidd]

watch the pics bobby im at work

[Vteckidd]

The only motor that is anywhere near making 280WHP is the FEW K24s in Georgia. and most of those making over 270 are STD not even SAE. Sorry i dont think ANYONE is near 280whp in any other motor (H or B). nowhere near it.

Mike 25X whp is nowehere near the same stadium as 280whp in an h22, and i highly doubt H2B would "add" XX whp although id love to see the difference. But even then thats not really making the motor anymore power.

Getting from 260 to 270, is tons of money, 270 to 280, even more. Do you guys realize HOW HARD it is to pick up 10whp when you are making that kind of power already?????? Its an act of god.

Voya, H22 270whp is a massive number and youll need a bunch of luck. B Series , 250-260 LEGIT is almost IMPOSSIBLE. I dont care what anyone says, or read on the internet, or dynoed elsewhere. Making a legit 250+whp in a B Series or 270+ in an H is something a handful of people can do. Thats getting into the realm of you cant just slap shit together, it takes knowledge not parts shopping.

Voya let me know what you have, ill steer you in the right direction.

Personally if that big of a number is your goal, it has to be at least an H22 or a K24, no other motor will come close.

[Vteckidd]

PS: The 9k figure is for a stock cr and displacment block. Head work, Jenevy ITBs, Standalone, Hytech header,Hytech cams, no cat, flywheel, clutch, fuel, tuning.

never happen. Stock CR and displacement are enough to get you near there unless you are building a J series

[h22 jones]

The only motor that is anywhere near making 280WHP is the FEW K24s in Georgia. and most of those making over 270 are STD not even SAE. Sorry i dont think ANYONE is near 280whp in any other motor (H or B). nowhere near it.

Mike 25X whp is nowehere near the same stadium as 280whp in an h22, and i highly doubt H2B would "add" XX whp although id love to see the difference. But even then thats not really making the motor anymore power.


Getting from 260 to 270, is tons of money, 270 to 280, even more. Do you guys realize HOW HARD it is to pick up 10whp when you are making that kind of power already?????? Its an act of god.

Voya, H22 270whp is a massive number and youll need a bunch of luck. B Series , 250-260 LEGIT is almost IMPOSSIBLE. I dont care what anyone says, or read on the internet, or dynoed elsewhere. Making a legit 250+whp in a B Series or 270+ in an H is something a handful of people can do. Thats getting into the realm of you cant just slap shit together, it takes knowledge not parts shopping.

Voya let me know what you have, ill steer you in the right direction.

Personally if that big of a number is your goal, it has to be at least an H22 or a K24, no other motor will come close.

I down play our 250 hp motor but with a h2b and b16 tranny it would hit 270 all day . Ill be willing to beat jasons motor will make close to 280 if not more just dont have the time to put it in right now but it is done . That motor is nothing like the build that have sitting ready to be assembled . I have everything and all machine work is done just need the time to assemble it . Im not sure what the hold backs were back in the day but a 300hp h series dd is more then do able . Of coures in the all motor world you have to have displacement to make power which kills the b series . Yes that can be overcome by reving it to 10,000 rpms but like mike said it want stay together . i got a couple things that will change the h22 world around here realy soon . Its not that hard in the h22 or k series world . the trans has always killed the h series that has been fixed. Every healthy stock h motor dynos around 285 . Every healthy stock h2b motor dynos around 210 . Do the math 252 plus 25 equals 278 , Im not saying it will kae that but 270 all day long . Enough money ill prove it . Shit we got two resonators and a hudge muffler just to keep the small 2.5 inch exaust quiet lol. I could turn that motor into a serious beast very easy just no need when you have another one even bigger.

Mike you coming to stretches open house ? I want to take you for a ride lol.

[1civic]

I agree that you should drive what you like. I've always preferred rotarys, but have always had a variety. I personally cannot stand my Honda, but my wife loves Accords. I'd rather drive my Buick - even though it is much slower.
I know the hustle on the street. :D Good rule - always keep race to running someone that can drink with later. Never leave angry.
My car is nothing special - its a low mile car, and still has the original engine. Previous owner bolted on the entry model Vortech. I originally thought that it was an A-trim, because it was very noisy, but later found out from Vortech that it is and SC-trim (they looked it up with the serial number). I just got it back from them from having it rebuilt. Since you have a lot of experience with Mustangs, what do you think I am at power-wise (rwhp and rw-tq)?

I'd guess 340-370, just depends on the bolt-ons you have.. Gt40 heads and intake could net more and appear stock, also the cam you have works well.. I base all this from what you say, but hell I have a stock block too!! LOL




Mike you coming to stretches open house ? I want to take you for a ride lol.

Dang, I wanna ride in that monster!! ;)




Your in bama....

15-20mins from the line, but im in GA...lol

[1civic]

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/RUHOLY/129013741212888876.jpg

[SPOOLIN]

there are guys making over 400hp with all motor k24 builds. several in the 450 range. In reality though they are stroked out punched to around 3.0L. Some say they are 2.6's....But running a 10.0 at 133mph is 450 territory.

[1civic]

there are guys making over 400hp with all motor k24 builds. several in the 450 range. In reality though they are stroked out punched to around 3.0L. Some say they are 2.6's....But running a 10.0 at 133mph is 450 territory.

I haven't seen any that high yet, but I can be-leave 400 with a 2.6.. And getting 400 to hook is much easier than 600-700...lol, that is why them 350+hp cars run 10.9-11.0..

[SPOOLIN]

come to jersey with us in october and you'll meet a slew of guys. they are all not from around here.

Prayontoo racing has 450-475 hp k series setups in their pro/am cars. To much money in that shit. 30,000-35,000$ engine and tranny setups.

[1civic]

come to jersey with us in october and you'll meet a slew of guys. they are all not from around here.

Prayontoo racing has 450-475 hp k series setups in their pro/am cars. To much money in that shit. 30,000-35,000$ engine and tranny setups.

I can see it happening, v8 guys drop the big buks, so I'm sure the 4 banger guys rock their shit as-well.. To rich for my blood though!!

[1civic]

http://youtu.be/yOsHJqOrOE8

[SPOOLIN]

Ya exactly. Thats their newest car.


www.MSSRACING.com

[1civic]

http://youtu.be/IQQLVrHatHw

[justnprsh07]

I know of a h series making 415 na and jones car can make an easy 270 not mention its dd stlye not even stroked or high comp... I promise u 300na on a h is very possible for 9k and thats all off the shelf parts and no roller rockers.. So sayin 270 is rare on a hseries is like sayin a v8 cant make 500 na

[justnprsh07]

there are guys making over 400hp with all motor k24 builds. several in the 450 range. In reality though they are stroked out punched to around 3.0L. Some say they are 2.6's....But running a 10.0 at 133mph is 450 territory.

I was gonna trade 4pistons on ht my whole setup for his na but he wouldnt let me get itbs and exhaust and it makes 400 on stock stroke and methanol

[David88vert]

I'd guess 340-370, just depends on the bolt-ons you have.. Gt40 heads and intake could net more and appear stock, also the cam you have works well.. I base all this from what you say, but hell I have a stock block too!! LOL


I have a Systemax intake (got a good deal on it), but I don't have GT40 heads. I've always run the original E7s on the car, and now am working on getting a cheap set of aluminum heads. Only expect to pick up about 20 hp off them though, but less chance of the engine getting popped. And no, my car didn't even make 340 with the stock e7s. I've got the entry SC blower, not the S-trim. Still, should be more than enough to easily handle a NA 4cyl Civic, wouldn't you agree?

[Vteckidd]

I down play our 250 hp motor but with a h2b and b16 tranny it would hit 270 all day .
I disagree



Ill be willing to beat jasons motor will make close to 280 if not more just dont have the time to put it in right now but it is done . That motor is nothing like the build that have sitting ready to be assembled . I have everything and all machine work is done just need the time to assemble it . Im not sure what the hold backs were back in the day but a 300hp h series dd is more then do able .

Do it then. Im sorry im going to disagree with you, ill bet you $100 jasons doesnt make anywhere near 280whp. Thats not saying im rooting against you, im just saying going from 250 to 280 isnt a matter of 2mm extra stroke and a ported head.

If we are going to start doing this kind of bench racing ricer numbers then im gonna say i would have made 260 with Jenvey ITBs instead of my $100 AEBS manifold, and 280 with a RLZ head and race gas instead of a $500 street port and 93 octane.

You guys are rediculous lol



Of coures in the all motor world you have to have displacement to make power which kills the b series . Yes that can be overcome by reving it to 10,000 rpms but like mike said it want stay together . i got a couple things that will change the h22 world around here realy soon . Its not that hard in the h22 or k series world . the trans has always killed the h series that has been fixed. Every healthy stock h motor dynos around 285 . Every healthy stock h2b motor dynos around 210 . Do the math 252 plus 25 equals 278 , Im not saying it will kae that but 270 all day long . Enough money ill prove it . Shit we got two resonators and a hudge muffler just to keep the small 2.5 inch exaust quiet lol. I could turn that motor into a serious beast very easy just no need when you have another one even bigger.

The only problem i have with that is its guessing. My car made 199whp with a 2.25in dual resonator exhaust. I had mainstream install a 2.5in straight through exhaust with a new muffler and you know how much power i picked up............ZERO. I made 237whp with a 3in exhaust, i dropped it and went open header, you know how much power i gained.....ZERO.

I made 199whp with STOCK ITR cams, STOCK ITR intake and TB, i switched to a Skunk2 manifold, 70mm TB and skunk2 stage 2 cams, i picked up 4whp.

I can sit here an name you 100000 instances where "upgrading" doesnt make any power. SO to use a blanket statement like "well a stock h22 makes XX and a H2b makes XX therefore mine should make XX" is a stretch.

Jasons motor should make a lot, but im much more of a pessimist than you guys are. He thinks if you make 250 with Tuner 2s hes going to automatically make way more with PRO2s, thats not always the case, and when he goes through enough motors he will understand that.

Apply that to a non built motor. if you believe as you guys are typing then youre telling me PRO3s will make more power in a stock B16 than ITR cams, when i know that is NOT TRUE.




Mike you coming to stretches open house ? I want to take you for a ride lol.

Not planning on it, that crowd doesnt interest me. I dont want to stand around in 98 degree heat and watch hondas dyno. If matt and chunky go i might swing by for a minute. But i plan on being at a pool with beer all weekend, so we will see.

[Vteckidd]

there are guys making over 400hp with all motor k24 builds. several in the 450 range. In reality though they are stroked out punched to around 3.0L. Some say they are 2.6's....But running a 10.0 at 133mph is 450 territory.

im not talking about full out drag cars with unlimited budgets. Im talking street cars or cars people build.

Skunk2 made over 350 years ago in their 9second RSX, and i believe IPS had a drag car that made 400 or Norris did.

Im not sure on the 450 number.......

[Vteckidd]

I know of a h series making 415 na and jones car can make an easy 270 not mention its dd stlye not even stroked or high comp... I promise u 300na on a h is very possible for 9k and thats all off the shelf parts and no roller rockers.. So sayin 270 is rare on a hseries is like sayin a v8 cant make 500 na

unless you have a dyno sheet to prove it, no you dont. lies im calling extreme bullshit

im sorry you guys just have no idea and frankly NONE OF YOU have shown ANY PROOF of these super high hp cars you claim you own or know of.

400+WHP NA H22 would be more than BAR HONDAS UNLIMITED BUDGET RACE CARS. YOu know this right? BAR (BRITISH AMERICAN RACING) who is PARTNERS WITH HONDA CORPORATION had UNLIMITED BUDGETS with access to millions of dollars worth of R&D equipment, engineers that make more money than you will make in a lifetime, with prototype everything, and youre saying you know a guy that makes more power than them LOL

Unless you know some professional drag racing team, youre full of shit or the guy telling you is full of shit. And thats a motor that lasts 2 drag passes.

if its so easy guys, THEN DO IT. because right now NONE OF YOU have a B Series higher than 237, H series higher than 250, K series higher than 290. SO quoting how easy it is to make more power than that, is all BULLSHIT and hopes and dreams

[Black4DrEK]

Im with VTECKIDD on this one..

Im not big on the hearing what CAN happen.. I want to see proof. Also im NOT saying its not possible.. Just want to see it.. Not HE SAY, SHE SAY!

On Import Atlanta, thats basically ALL that goes down.. He said this, I heard this, ect.......

[justnprsh07]

unless you have a dyno sheet to prove it, no you dont. lies im calling extreme bullshit

im sorry you guys just have no idea and frankly NONE OF YOU have shown ANY PROOF of these super high hp cars you claim you own or know of.

400+WHP NA H22 would be more than BAR HONDAS UNLIMITED BUDGET RACE CARS. YOu know this right? BAR (BRITISH AMERICAN RACING) who is PARTNERS WITH HONDA CORPORATION had UNLIMITED BUDGETS with access to millions of dollars worth of R&D equipment, engineers that make more money than you will make in a lifetime, with prototype everything, and youre saying you know a guy that makes more power than them LOL

Unless you know some professional drag racing team, youre full of shit or the guy telling you is full of shit. And thats a motor that lasts 2 drag passes.

if its so easy guys, THEN DO IT. because right now NONE OF YOU have a B Series higher than 237, H series higher than 250, K series higher than 290. SO quoting how easy it is to make more power than that, is all BULLSHIT and hopes and dreams

Your an idiot... Ooonevermind I forgot this car was up north so 400 up yhere then it would make 300 down here... Thje car im talking about is nah2b "randy" and its only a 90/100mm block it puts down right at 360 to the wheels and he is the fastest allmotor h series.....however there are some pro allmotor h series that are running allthe way up to 106 and 109mm strokes but these are motors thatare extreme time bombs and only get a handfull of passes... Randys car lasted 2 seasons and the only parts that werent off the shelf was the intake manifold exhaust and the head work which anyone can buy any of these parts

Car had bc 100mm stroke 90mm bore, bsl kit, pro3s nrg tech head, 1mm os valves, h2b liberty dog box, custom intake and exhaust.... Car was also on stock ignition, press in sleeves, no roller rocker setup, no extra stroke with deck plate, car was not tubed, not back halfed... I can give u a complete list of every part on the car as I was trying to buy it when he spun a bearing.

Reasearch before you talk next time...

[Vteckidd]

Your an idiot... Ooonevermind I forgot this car was up north so 400 up yhere then it would make 300 down here... Thje car im talking about is nah2b "randy" and its only a 90/100mm block it puts down right at 360 to the wheels and he is the fastest allmotor h series.....however there are some pro allmotor h series that are running allthe way up to 106 and 109mm strokes but these are motors thatare extreme time bombs and only get a handfull of passes... Randys car lasted 2 seasons and the only parts that werent off the shelf was the intake manifold exhaust and the head work which anyone can buy any of these parts

Car had bc 100mm stroke 90mm bore, bsl kit, pro3s nrg tech head, 1mm os valves, h2b liberty dog box, custom intake and exhaust.... Car was also on stock ignition, press in sleeves, no roller rocker setup, no extra stroke with deck plate, car was not tubed, not back halfed... I can give u a complete list of every part on the car as I was trying to buy it when he spun a bearing.

Reasearch before you talk next time...
360whp is NOT 415, unless you are trying to say it made 415BHP which ive never quoted BHP numbers so youre comparing apples to oranges. I was specific on WHP numbers , you said it made 415, now its 360whp. Sounds like you cant read.

I have spoken plenty with randy, i was going to send him a header but never did. and i think you are grossly exagerating his numbers. He made 320s, not 360. I dont think he ever posted his numbers with the 90/100mm but it was well over 14:1 compression. Go build that motor kid and tell me how long it lasts i dont give a shit what he told you.

If you think that car ran untouched for 2 seasons youre even more of a noob than i thought. I know guys who run the Pro all motor circuit, i know what it takes and how hard it is too stay competitive.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2838438

Again you are comparing and all out $20,000 motor DRAG CAR with a 90mm TB sticking out of the hood and a DOG BOX to street cars(WHICH IS WHAT MY STATEMENT WAS ABOUT).

Get your head out of your ass.

GO BUILD A 270+whp H22 then come talk to me. Until then, you dont know what it takes, and you dont know how to do it. Im sorry until you guys PROVE ME WRONG all you can do is TALK. PROVE ME WRONG, not by the friends you have or the people you know or what your motor SHOULD make, strap that shit down and MAKE THE NUMBERS. Otherwise you are all ricers that live on HOPES AND DREAMS. My car made what i said it would, i didnt go around saying 270whp was easy to make WHEN I HAD NEVER DONE IT BEFORE

How come its ok if you go buy someone elses setup but i pay someone to build a motor years ago and i get made fun of it lol you guys are all hypocrites

[jerseyef9]

360whp is NOT 415, unless you are trying to say it made 415BHP which ive never quoted BHP numbers so youre comparing apples to oranges. I was specific on WHP numbers , you said it made 415, now its 360whp. Sounds like you cant read.

I have spoken plenty with randy, i was going to send him a header but never did. and i think you are grossly exagerating his numbers. He made 320s, not 360. I dont think he ever posted his numbers with the 90/100mm but it was well over 14:1 compression. Go build that motor kid and tell me how long it lasts i dont give a shit what he told you.

If you think that car ran untouched for 2 seasons youre even more of a noob than i thought. I know guys who run the Pro all motor circuit, i know what it takes and how hard it is too stay competitive.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2838438

Again you are comparing and all out $20,000 motor DRAG CAR with a 90mm TB sticking out of the hood and a DOG BOX to street cars(WHICH IS WHAT MY STATEMENT WAS ABOUT).

Get your head out of your ass.

GO BUILD A 270+whp H22 then come talk to me. Until then, you dont know what it takes, and you dont know how to do it. Im sorry until you guys PROVE ME WRONG all you can do is TALK. PROVE ME WRONG, not by the friends you have or the people you know or what your motor SHOULD make, strap that shit down and MAKE THE NUMBERS. Otherwise you are all ricers that live on HOPES AND DREAMS. My car made what i said it would, i didnt go around saying 270whp was easy to make WHEN I HAD NEVER DONE IT BEFORE

How come its ok if you go buy someone elses setup but i pay someone to build a motor years ago and i get made fun of it lol you guys are all hypocrites


you yet to build yourself smfh
that 237whp all motor was bought so you take no credict for that sir
it funny how ppl like to bash other people when they havent accomplish shit themseleves lmao
carry on with your bitch and moaning sir
have good day

[Vteckidd]

Step up big money, you sound like you got a lot of coin. Go spend $9000 and under and make 300whp since its so easy.

We all know you wont do it, and you cant back that statement up. Randy has a $15000-20000 motor if ANY OF YOU TRIED TO HAVE IT BUILT. The fact he knows Brad and got probably free porting and other stuff is not what your average guy can go get.

I know Brad, ive known him for years, i knew him when he got fired from Ford :) He was going to port my 2.0l head, but he was so busy he told me it was a 8 month wait, i decided to just let Don do a clean up port on it.

Youre not telling me anything i dont already know, and it seems like you read threads on HT and believe everything. Its obvious you have never actually DONE anything

[Vteckidd]

you yet to build yourself smfh
that 237whp all motor was bought so you take no credict for that sir
it funny how ppl like to bash other people when they havent accomplish shit themseleves lmao
carry on with your bitch and moaning sir
have good day

ahh look the same old retarded argument. Shut up kid. I meant go BUILD ONE as in either do it yourself, or go have one built for you. Until then you dont know what it takes

I went out, spent money, and built a motor that made MORE POWER THAN MOST OF YOU GUYS IN THIS THREAD. I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES. IF YOU HAVENT DONE IT YOU CANT COMMENT ON WHAT IT TAKES. PERIOD.

Ive done plenty, im not going to get in this argument again with kids that obviously have the grammar of a 3rd grader. My resume speaks for itself. From street racing to a succesful company, what have you done again?

[jerseyef9]

The same company you drop off of Lmao come on dude . You are a joke. What you putting
24in slicks on 200whp car. You are damn idiot.

[Vteckidd]

The same company you drop off of Lmao come on dude . You are a joke. What you putting 3
24s on 200whp car. You are damn idiot

speak english?

I sold my business in January, i made my money off it and i got out before the industry got bad. I no longer own or operate Kiddracing but my business was in last months Honda Tuning 3 times on the feature cars, must be doing something right........

I dont understand your last comment. Are you talking about the 19in wheels i have on my TL? not 24s.

See this is what happens, you guys are so stupid you cant even argue with me, so you result to picking on me personally, which i could give 2 shits what a bunch of 18-22 year old wannabes think about me ;)

[justnprsh07]

Your still an idiot when u have a car even worth talking about then talk but untill then do everyone a favor and shut up... I build my own shit, I built my own car straight out of the junkyard and in the back yard and make 3times as much as anything you have even bought....just sayin, bc u talk like u know alot and 90% of the time your wrong

O and randy did make 320 without the stroker and spent no where near 20k on it

[justnprsh07]

Step up big money, you sound like you got a lot of coin. Go spend $9000 and under and make 300whp since its so easy.

We all know you wont do it, and you cant back that statement up. Randy has a $15000-20000 motor if ANY OF YOU TRIED TO HAVE IT BUILT. The fact he knows Brad and got probably free porting and other stuff is not what your average guy can go get.

I know Brad, ive known him for years, i knew him when he got fired from Ford :) He was going to port my 2.0l head, but he was so busy he told me it was a 8 month wait, i decided to just let Don do a clean up port on it.

Youre not telling me anything i dont already know, and it seems like you read threads on HT and believe everything. Its obvious you have never actually DONE anything

Also is this towards me? I hope not bc I currently have a turbohatch making x hp and also in the middle of doing an allmotor that if it dont break 300 ill give it away... All I like is having head ported and building and intake and exhaust mani... Just bc im not one of these guys that make build threads to show how much money im spending and what parts im building doesnt mean I dont have anything

Im not your average 18-22 year old that puts a swap in a hatch gutt it and claim to be king of the world...

[Vteckidd]

Your still an idiot when u have a car even worth talking about then talk but untill then do everyone a favor and shut up... I build my own shit, I built my own car straight out of the junkyard and in the back yard and make 3times as much as anything you have even bought....just sayin, bc u talk like u know alot and 90% of the time your wrong


youre a ricer who thinks because he talked to someone on HT about buying his RACE CAR setup that means that its a normal thing to make that kind of power. Youre a ricer that thinks because SO AND SO told him something on the internet, it must be true.

youve never built a motor or gone through the process to build a motor that makes that kind of power. Prove it. POST A DYNO, POST A TIMESLIP, until then, YOURE ALL TALK.

You guys can sit there and jerk each other off that somehow i dont know what im talking about because i had someone build me a motor ONCE, when you were just talking about buying someone elses setup LOL

Oh so mike pays to build a motor and im a bad guy, you JUST CLAIMED you tried to buy someone elses motor and im supposed to kiss your ass? shut the fuck up.

Why do I HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING? IVE HAD CARS PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THAT STREET RACED, WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOURS?

UNTIL YOU GET ON MY LEVEL, IM NOT BRINGING MYSELF DOWN TO YOURS ;)

[Vteckidd]

Also is this towards me? I hope not bc I currently have a turbohatch making x hp and also in the middle of doing an allmotor that if it dont break 300 ill give it away... All I like is having head ported and building and intake and exhaust mani... Just bc im not one of these guys that make build threads to show how much money im spending and what parts im building doesnt mean I dont have anything

Im not your average 18-22 year old that puts a swap in a hatch gutt it and claim to be king of the world...

congrats, dyno it then come talk to me.

until then its ALL TALK.

Explain the "I know someone making 415whp" comment then 4 posts later you change it to 360, then its 320.

You realize you just LIED about a motor making 95whp MORE than it actually did right LOL

[Vteckidd]

Here ill make it easy for you


I know of a h series making 415 na


Thje car im talking about is nah2b "randy" and its only a 90/100mm block it puts down right at 360 to the wheels and he is the fastest allmotor h series.....


O and randy did make 320 without the stroker and spent no where near 20k on it

WOW we went from 415 to 360 to 320. I havent seen a dyno anywhere of his 90/100mm motor. so youre making that up unless you can find it somewhere and show it to me.

:tongue1::no:

[05dc5s]

Well Mike you do have one big thing going for you. You're talking about something you've done and have some experience on as opposed to talking about what you're going to do.

Personally I truly hope all these builds being talked about come to fruition. It would be sick. Being an enthusiast it would be awesome to have cars of those sorts of level running around Ga. :goodjob:

[Vteckidd]

I decided to put my troll face back on ;)

[MidnightAuto]

I disagree




Do it then. Im sorry im going to disagree with you, ill bet you $100 jasons doesnt make anywhere near 280whp. Thats not saying im rooting against you, im just saying going from 250 to 280 isnt a matter of 2mm extra stroke and a ported head.

If we are going to start doing this kind of bench racing ricer numbers then im gonna say i would have made 260 with Jenvey ITBs instead of my $100 AEBS manifold, and 280 with a RLZ head and race gas instead of a $500 street port and 93 octane.

You guys are rediculous lol




The only problem i have with that is its guessing. My car made 199whp with a 2.25in dual resonator exhaust. I had mainstream install a 2.5in straight through exhaust with a new muffler and you know how much power i picked up............ZERO. I made 237whp with a 3in exhaust, i dropped it and went open header, you know how much power i gained.....ZERO.

I made 199whp with STOCK ITR cams, STOCK ITR intake and TB, i switched to a Skunk2 manifold, 70mm TB and skunk2 stage 2 cams, i picked up 4whp.

I can sit here an name you 100000 instances where "upgrading" doesnt make any power. SO to use a blanket statement like "well a stock h22 makes XX and a H2b makes XX therefore mine should make XX" is a stretch.

Jasons motor should make a lot, but im much more of a pessimist than you guys are. He thinks if you make 250 with Tuner 2s hes going to automatically make way more with PRO2s, thats not always the case, and when he goes through enough motors he will understand that.

Apply that to a non built motor. if you believe as you guys are typing then youre telling me PRO3s will make more power in a stock B16 than ITR cams, when i know that is NOT TRUE.





Not planning on it, that crowd doesnt interest me. I dont want to stand around in 98 degree heat and watch hondas dyno. If matt and chunky go i might swing by for a minute. But i plan on being at a pool with beer all weekend, so we will see.

Just because you didnt know how to make things work, doesnt mean it doesnt work....:rolleyes:

[MidnightAuto]

I decided to put my troll face back on ;)

Bored, huh?

[Vteckidd]

Lol you're right Morris the king of "talking" is gonna come in here and be condescending to me.

Morris you just proved how ignorant you are , it proves you know nothing about engines and nothing about how they work. Did you get your EFI Certs out of a box of fruity pebbles?

I'm sorry you can't understand what I'm saying an although I'd love to sit here and explain it to you but then why should I teach you?

I guess in fantasy Land where you guys live every makes power if they buy x parts. Shows how little experience you really have

[Vteckidd]

I'm sorry you haven't tuned or modded as many cars as I have or been part of as many builds as me where I've seen where you aren't always guaranteed a power gain. Bigger cams doesn't always mean more power

If you are going to argue that them I'm going to of out because the intelligence level of this forum has gone in the toilet

[Vteckidd]

I love how if it's something you disagree with it's because you didn't do it. Like your gods gift to hondas.

Oooooo you know so much more than all of us/sarcasm

When you can keep your car from having shifter problems and axles pop out maybe then you can move onto other things ;) oh wise one :lame:

[justnprsh07]

Here ill make it easy for you







WOW we went from 415 to 360 to 320. I havent seen a dyno anywhere of his 90/100mm motor. so youre making that up unless you can find it somewhere and show it to me.

:tongue1::no:

This is why I call u an idiot.... I said "the car made 415hp na" didnt say to the wheels, I said it makes 360 to the wheels and I said it made 320whp before the stroker kit...

[MidnightAuto]

I love how if it's something you disagree with it's because you didn't do it. Like your gods gift to hondas.

Oooooo you know so much more than all of us/sarcasm

When you can keep your car from having shifter problems and axles pop out maybe then you can move onto other things ;) oh wise one :lame:

Sad part is even with all the problems our blue car has its still faster than ANYTHING you have ever had... Im not even gonna respond to the rest of cuz Im laughin too hard...

Really Im in tears over here.. LMAO
You really are an idiot!!!!!

[justnprsh07]

youre a ricer who thinks because he talked to someone on HT about buying his RACE CAR setup that means that its a normal thing to make that kind of power. Youre a ricer that thinks because SO AND SO told him something on the internet, it must be true.

youve never built a motor or gone through the process to build a motor that makes that kind of power. Prove it. POST A DYNO, POST A TIMESLIP, until then, YOURE ALL TALK.

You guys can sit there and jerk each other off that somehow i dont know what im talking about because i had someone build me a motor ONCE, when you were just talking about buying someone elses setup LOL

Oh so mike pays to build a motor and im a bad guy, you JUST CLAIMED you tried to buy someone elses motor and im supposed to kiss your ass? shut the fuck up.

Why do I HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING? IVE HAD CARS PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THAT STREET RACED, WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOURS?

UNTIL YOU GET ON MY LEVEL, IM NOT BRINGING MYSELF DOWN TO YOURS ;)

Go to youtube and search parish idle or parish dyno... I have a vid of my car when it made 520 on pump and wastegate on a mustang.dyno and a vid of my car at idle. My car is currently at jjspec right now so ill be sure to post a curve for u on a later date after I have some fun with it.

And I build my own shit, let jones putt it together around this time last year due to a oil pump failure simply bc I bought it from him then sunk 2 sleeves and had to have it rebuilt and did it myself

Now get on my level bc I havnt seen u have shit ricer aka your an ass hole... Just sayin bc if I was thirty and been so into this stuff for so long and still didnt know shit I would just give it up... Just sayin

[MidnightAuto]

Ok I stopped laughing...
I got one question for you VtecDikk - If you dont build motors or tune cars, where does your knowledge come from???? Would it be what someone else (your builder and tuners, at the time) have told you? I dont understand how you are gonna sit here and tell someone else to shut up if they havent done more than you. And here I am, I build my own motors and Fabricate and tune but you are gonna tell me something... When you have actually done something then tell me about something..


Watch now, hes gonna post a 3 page essay..

[justnprsh07]

Sad part is even with all the problems our blue car has its still faster than ANYTHING you have ever had... Im not even gonna respond to the rest of cuz Im laughin too hard...

Really Im in tears over here.. LMAO
You really are an idiot!!!!!

Lol so true and he is the one to be sayin we act like were gods gift to hondas lol I know I dont know alot but apparently I know more then him... Damn just admit when your wrong or just stop posting and everyone will forget...

[Vteckidd]

Morris you never street raced my car and it never went to the track so you don't know that. Nut you always like to claim stuff you can't back up so it doesn't surprise me

But based on what Mosely did to you, you would have got your feelings hurt as my car was 400 lbs lighter than his

Guess we will never know though unless you can time travel. I'm sure in new York flux capacitors come standard on everything but not here

[MidnightAuto]

Lol so true and he is the one to be sayin we act like were gods gift to hondas lol I know I dont know alot but apparently I know more then him... Damn just admit when your wrong or just stop posting and everyone will forget...

Hes bored... But then again so am I.... LMAO I deal with idiots like him all the time.. Had one half way decent car and now he thinks he is a genius.

[MidnightAuto]

Morris you never street raced my car and it never went to the track so you don't know that. Nut you always like to claim stuff you can't back up so it doesn't surprise me

But based on what Mosely did to you, you would have got your feelings hurt as my car was 400 lbs lighter than his

Guess we will never know though unless you can time travel. I'm sure in new York flux capacitors come standard on everything but not here
Ask Moseley if he agrees with that... And whats sad is that you dont realise thats one of the slower cars Ive built and it would still destroy you....

[justnprsh07]

Ok I stopped laughing...
I got one question for you VtecDikk - If you dont build motors or tune cars, where does your knowledge come from???? Would it be what someone else (your builder and tuners, at the time) have told you? I dont understand how you are gonna sit here and tell someone else to shut up if they havent done more than you. And here I am, I build my own motors and Fabricate and tune but you are gonna tell me something... When you have actually done something then tell me about something..


Watch now, hes gonna post a 3 page essay..

Because he is an IDIOT im not as old as u guys and dont clame to know as much but I have built my own car in my own back yard with my own money "no mommy and daddy to help" and I have two kids... He just aggrivated me when he said that jones dads si wont make 270 with h2b not to mention look how much its drove and its a dd

[MidnightAuto]

Because he is an IDIOT im not as old as u guys and dont clame to know as much but I have built my own car in my own back yard with my own money "no mommy and daddy to help" and I have two kids... He just aggrivated me when he said that jones dads si wont make 270 with h2b not to mention look how much its drove and its a dd

Because he is what we call a "natural born asshole"

[Vteckidd]

Morris you never street raced my car and it never went to the track so you don't know that. Nut you always like to claim stuff you can't back up so it doesn't surprise me

But based on what Mosely did to you, you would have got your feelings hurt as my car was 400 lbs lighter than his

Guess we will never know though unless you can time travel. I'm sure in new York flux capacitors come standard on everything but not here

[MidnightAuto]

Morris you never street raced my car and it never went to the track so you don't know that. Nut you always like to claim stuff you can't back up so it doesn't surprise me

But based on what Mosely did to you, you would have got your feelings hurt as my car was 400 lbs lighter than his

Guess we will never know though unless you can time travel. I'm sure in new York flux capacitors come standard on everything but not here
I hope that was a double post...LMAO And not you running out of things to say..

[Vteckidd]

I'm not gonna post anymore I'll catch you guys in person when you can't hide behind keyboards and make excuses. But I take solace in the fact you never answered or addressed any of my points because you can't. M

Morris where all your fast cars at son? They all have blown up clutches? Lol you talk a lot, but you're claim to fame here is a k24 that runs 12s up north, is always broken, and barely beat a 2.0.

Congrats I wanna be you when I grow up.

Time will tell how much you know, you talked so much you better put out some fast cars or people will know you're all hype.

See you soon sweetie

Ricers.

[MidnightAuto]

I'm not gonna post anymore I'll catch you guys in person when you can't hide behind keyboards and make excuses. But I take solace in the fact you never answered or addressed any of my points because you can't. M

Morris where all your fast cars at son? They all have blown up clutches? Lol you talk a lot, but you're claim to fame here is a k24 that runs 12s up north, is always broken, and barely beat a 2.0.

Congrats I wanna be you when I grow up.

Time will tell how much you know, you talked so much you better put out some fast cars or people will know you're all hype.

See you soon sweetie

Ricers.

Actually thats not my claim fame but apparently if its not done in GA then it never happened.. You my friend are a clown, side show act. I have done more in my life than you talk about doing... You and your supposed knowledge mean nothing to me. I have nothing to prove to you nor do I take you seriously, so with that being said I would gladly debate with you because your lack of knowledge would entertain me to no end. Mike you cant seriously begin to convince yourself that I am hype, you know better than that. Thats why you try to convince yourself that there is some magic in GA why these cars cant do what they are supposed to do. And since you "cant wait to catch me in person" as you claim, why not come to our event, on sunday and show me that I dont know what im talkin about.

P.S. You're still an idiot....:taun:

[justnprsh07]

Damn maybe he is smartenough to listen...."either admit your wrong or quit postin and everyone will forget“ we all know he wont admit it so maybe he will just go mute...

[MidnightAuto]

Damn maybe he is smartenough to listen...."either admit your wrong or quit postin and everyone will forget“ we all know he wont admit it so maybe he will just go mute...

I doubt that... Stupid is as stupid does... LMAO

[justnprsh07]

Actually thats not my claim fame but apparently if its not done in GA then it never happened.. You my friend are a clown, side show act. I have done more in my life than you talk about doing... You and your supposed knowledge mean nothing to me. I have nothing to prove to you nor do I take you seriously, so with that being said I would gladly debate with you because your lack of knowledge would entertain me to no end. Mike you cant seriously begin to convince yourself that I am hype, you know better than that. Thats why you try to convince yourself that there is some magic in GA why these cars cant do what they are supposed to do. And since you "cant wait to catch me in person" as you claim, why not come to our event, on sunday and show me that I dont know what im talkin about.

P.S. You're still an idiot....:taun:

:goodjob: how about you "mike" bring a car u have owned or built and ill pay the dyno fee for any.car that makes over what I do and ill leave it on pump and drive it there????

[Axix23]

damn, thats a sick-ass vid.. Its clear as hell too... And its not even in HD...
Who was the camera car?

[Axix23]

Hey Midnight, I posted your event on Sunday for my buddy BRent and IA like deleted it? :( Wtf

[05dc5s]

Moseley's car with Chunky filming

[MidnightAuto]

Hey Midnight, I posted your event on Sunday for my buddy BRent and IA like deleted it? :( Wtf

They deleted it because we arent vendors yet.. Its ok, they did the right thing..

[Axix23]

Damn!! Shit is a beast... I heard you kept up with a sc rsx in half throttle, is that true?? LOL

[MidnightAuto]

Moseley's car with Chunky filming

Hey Matt, sorry for destrying your thread. Good job again.

[Axix23]

Damn, how is people supposed to know about it then? LOL