03 cobra vs. S2k who would handle better around a track.

[DUBSf22c]

What car handles better? Who would put up better times with the same driver.
Sicstang and I have been arguing this point. Especially if the track doesn't have long straights.

[JITB]

depends on which gen cobra.. but id go with the cobra. you put the stig in a cobra, and the s2k..i can see the cobra doing better times with the extra power, especially being controlled by a pro.

[Vteckidd]

03 Cobra hands down. IIRC the mustangs have this stigma that they handle like shit when they really dont

[never_finished]

at the ring..

8:39 - Honda S2000

haven't found a time on a 03-04 cobra yet. Anyone?

[-EnVus-]

03 cobra deff. with the right driver and not over driving it.

[Slomaro Z28]

I say cobra

[Marta Mike]

at the ring..

8:39 - Honda S2000

haven't found a time on a 03-04 cobra yet. Anyone?

the new camaro did it in 8.20. And im sure the new ss is a much better handling car than the 03-04 cobra. I think it would be close but id put my hat on the s2k. I actually drop a 03 s2k yesterday and was very disappointed with the handling...

[SampaGuy]

The cobra is probably faster around a track, but the s2000 would be more fun.

[Big Baller]

define fun. I've had both around a track Ill take the the cobra any day

[Nissan Sean]

i would say the 03-04 cobr for sure. they were built with the track in mind. The cobra is the only stang that came with IRS. i would think the race wuld be close if the track was mostly turns and few straits.

[EP3Hatch]

I would have to go with the Cobra.

[HypnoToad]

depends on the track and driver.

but id say cobra.

[toxxxic]

gosh this is going to turn into another rachel vs. evan brandon etc debate about nsx vs z06

lololol

[Frög]

LOL at all the rice boys in here..

S2k: 0.94g
Cobra: 0.90g

And the cobra will DESTROY on straights..

[Frög]

apexi957, C.Smock, eYezs1ck, never_finished, NewGen33, P-town-zenki, plv, S II K, The_Red_VIII

... Guys, seriously?

Its so funny that people think the Cobra can't handle, when in fact, it out handles a 350z..

What does a s2000 run around Road Atlanta? A ~1:45? The Cobra does much better..


But man does not live by thrust alone. In fact, SVT Cobras have always emphasized handling, and they stand among the fastest-ever street cars through our high-speed slalom test.

[Frög]

the new camaro did it in 8.20. And im sure the new ss is a much better handling car than the 03-04 cobra. I think it would be close but id put my hat on the s2k.

Cobra out handles Camaro SS..

[On_Her_Face]

Cobra out handles Camaro SS..

New Camaro SS? I would like to see results. Not calling you a liar, just surprised.

[nreggie454]

I'd say S2000 handles better, however the Cobra would beat it around a track since it doesn't handle much worse but has a shitload more power.

[never_finished]

apexi957, C.Smock, eYezs1ck, never_finished, NewGen33, P-town-zenki, plv, S II K, The_Red_VIII

... Guys, seriously?

Its so funny that people think the Cobra can't handle, when in fact, it out handles a 350z..

What does a s2000 run around Road Atlanta? A ~1:45? The Cobra does much better..

in fact, i was just stating the s2k's time. However i voted s2k based on a cobra vs a s2k cr. But I could be wrong, I'd still rather drive a 03/04 cobra than the honda. Or your porsche :taun:

[_Christian_]

COBRA would win hands down. Difference is handling is negligible, difference in power is astronomical.

[SicStang03]

They are almost the same in every aspect but power... thus I WEEN

[OnURleft]

Many people will think the S2k because it would simply be more flued to drive but then they forget 03-04 Cobra's have a 6 speed and IRS too.

[DUBSf22c]

Cobra out handles Camaro SS..

AND you know justin.. he thinks its just a alllll out smash and the would dominate.. i would actually really like to see. I wonder what the stigs times are.. i know he did the s2k ap1 and 2

[SicStang03]

AND you know justin.. he thinks its just a alllll out smash and the would dominate.. i would actually really like to see. I wonder what the stigs times are.. i know he did the s2k ap1 and 2

maybe we should take a trip to the track :boobies:... even though my car isn't stock... and that will be your excuse when I lap you :taun:

[georgieboi]

the cobra hands down

[VIP Style]

exactly. I drove a s2k a few times, and was not that impressed, its cool and all, but the cobra just sounds, feels, looks better to me.
LOL at all the rice boys in here..

the cobra will DESTROY on straights..

[antiv6]

This is not how i expected this thread to go at all lol. Most people think cobras cant handle for shit because 95% of the owners are into strait lines, but the ones ive seen that have been on road courses have done very well for what they are. I would have guessed s2000 though for a race with little to no strait aways lmao.

[mmmmpsi]

The Camaro SS is a tank.. that thing would handle like a tank..

The Cobra would be faster by far around a track it has double the horsepower and that will definitely make up for any shortcomings when it comes to handling.

(However, if you want to beat both you'd be driving a E92 M3) :P

[Barefoot]

s2k

[antiv6]

Cobras cant turn everyone knows that.

This vid is kind of cool, talks about their handling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS2Gv8wrimQ

[cpearson]

Yea, the Cobra would walk all over an S2K.

[boosted_nonv]

funny that everyone thinks the Cobra is better, but the polls don't lie lol

[JITB]

I love invisible posts!

[On_Her_Face]

funny that everyone thinks the Cobra is better, but the polls don't lie lol

So general opinions/thoughts always out weight the facts? With statements like this I can see how Obama made it in office.

[quickdodge®]

So general opinions/thoughts always out weight the facts?

Lolol. Just because you like a certain car, that makes that car the best ever. Even on paper. You didn't know? Later, QD.

[S2KJD]

not sure imho as depending on the track i think either way but i do like how both sides are so confident(more so the cobra fans) but yet no one is showing straight evidence of a s2k vs cobra actually going head to head lol!

[Nemesis]

omfg wtf mustangs cant turn, and they dont have vtec. s2k wins

[On_Her_Face]

omfg wtf mustangs cant turn, and they dont have vtec. s2k wins

I thought it was cause it has too many cylinders to turn?

[xxbckiexx]

Cobra would take a dump on the s2k in any track. what at stupid question. Rice boy with the s2k needs to lose his pride. you have an underpowered honda. it's not hard to make a 120 horsepower car turn.

[xxbckiexx]

AND you know justin.. he thinks its just a alllll out smash and the would dominate.. i would actually really like to see. I wonder what the stigs times are.. i know he did the s2k ap1 and 2

Defending your car would be easier, if your defense was typed in english.

[crxsiguy]

The Cobra would be faster by far around a track it has double the horsepower and that will definitely make up for any shortcomings when it comes to handling.

(However, if you want to beat both you'd be driving a E92 M3) :P
Damn i didnt know 03-04 Cobras came with 480 Hp Stock:thinking:..
But i would take a 03 cobra over a S2k ANYDAY s2k's are fun to drive, but the cobra is to great!

[On_Her_Face]

Cobra would take a dump on the s2k in any track. what at stupid question. Rice boy with the s2k needs to lose his pride. you have an underpowered honda. it's not hard to make a 120 horsepower car turn.

Actually the S2k was quite impressive around Nurburgring. It was one second faster than a C5 Corvette, and one second slower than an NSX.


Damn i didnt know 03-04 Cobras came with 480 Hp Stock:thinking:..
But i would take a 03 cobra over a S2k ANYDAY s2k's are fun to drive, but the cobra is to great!

Most 03/04 Cobras will dyno the same HP that Ford claims they have at the crank. So not too far off 480hp. Hell cobras can make 460-470~whp with i/e/p/t.

[boosted_nonv]

as much domestic people as we have on this import site, i still think the S would win, i see the S people aint talking much but they're still ahead on the votes lol

[S2KJD]

Cobra would take a dump on the s2k in any track. what at stupid question. Rice boy with the s2k needs to lose his pride. you have an underpowered honda. it's not hard to make a 120 horsepower car turn.

not sure if this was directed to me but if so maybe you should re read my post as i sat nuetral in my point so not really getting your "pride" comment?

underpowered honda? is there a faster stock honda?

120hp? im totally confused...:thinking:

if not directed to me then my bad for thinking possibly but still confused either way lol!

[mrniceguy311]

120hp? im totally confused...:thinking:


-edit-

for real. more like 237 @ 7800 (honda.com).

but depends on the track.

[On_Her_Face]

not sure if this was directed to me but if so maybe you should re read my post as i sat nuetral in my point so not really getting your "pride" comment?

underpowered honda? is there a faster stock honda?

120hp? im totally confused...:thinking:

if not directed to me then my bad for thinking possibly but still confused either way lol!

Yes the NSX. boosted_nonv you are also a dumbass, the votes do not directly mean that the s2k is faster.

[S2KJD]

depends on the track and depends on how the cars are built.

only stock vs. stock should make this thread a valid point imo...

[S2KJD]

Yes the NSX. boosted_nonv you are also a dumbass, the votes do not directly mean that the s2k is faster.

haha now im a dumbass! still no video proof on either side of the arguement so i love how you are so passionate about it all to be knocking on folks. anyways acura nsx...not honda eventhough i see your point its still acura here in the states.

for him to make a comment about the polls show the truth is only to get people like you worked up man...obviously a poll doesnt mean shit...:cheers:

[mrniceguy311]

went back and edited for yah.

[sprix!]

I would like to know which S2000 we should be considering. FWIW, there were a number of changes to suspension and handling between AP1 and AP2 S2000s. Even then, a CR will dance around a track faster than a base S2000 will. Clearly there is no difference in power, but sometimes fiddling with suspension can yield unexpected results in a track setting.

[Nemesis]

In all seriousness, Id love to see a highly modified S2k go against any Griggs Racing built Mustang, Cobra or not... people need to stop being so ignorant.

[S2KJD]

I would like to know which S2000 we should be considering. FWIW, there were a number of changes to suspension and handling between AP1 and AP2 S2000s. Even then, a CR will dance around a track faster than a base S2000 will. Clearly there is no difference in power, but sometimes fiddling with suspension can yield unexpected results in a track setting.

i think the cr is perfectly fair to get an honest answer out of this thread since its sold track ready, stock.

[SicStang03]

not sure imho as depending on the track i think either way but i do like how both sides are so confident(more so the cobra fans) but yet no one is showing straight evidence of a s2k vs cobra actually going head to head lol!

They would never go head to head lol... Honestly the two cars shouldn't be in the same paragraph together :lmfao:... I just thought it was funny when I took a turn in the cobra this past weekend and John made a joke about the handling (mind you I was not even remotely close to the limits of the car). I replied with a smartass comment about the S2K doing better... Then came the debate :D

In all seriousness, on a tight autocross with no straights (although we are not talking autocross) I think the cobra would still win.

Here is a cobra with my exact springs and some caster/camer/toe adjustments:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/03-Cobra-on-a-VERY-tight_138329.htm

[S2KJD]

They would never go head to head lol...

then thread should be locked to end all opinions that will never be proved lol :boobies: :cheers:

[man]

Maybe if it was an 02 Cobra, I heard those are so fast you can't even see them...

[On_Her_Face]

haha now im a dumbass! still no video proof on either side of the arguement so i love how you are so passionate about it all to be knocking on folks. anyways acura nsx...not honda eventhough i see your point its still acura here in the states.

for him to make a comment about the polls show the truth is only to get people like you worked up man...obviously a poll doesnt mean shit...:cheers:

No sorry I did not make that clear. I was referring as boosted_slow a dumbass along with somebody else who posted about the poll proving which is right.

[nreggie454]

The poll is misleading also. Practically everybody has agreed that the S2k handles slightly better, so it would get more votes. However, the Cobra would beat it around a track because the difference in handling is not very significant while the difference in power is.

[DieselNuts]

This is not how i expected this thread to go at all lol. Most people think cobras cant handle for shit...

x2

[DieselNuts]

Damn i didnt know 03-04 Cobras came with 480 Hp Stock:thinking:..

Mine made 404RWHP STOCK on a Dynojet:goodjob:factor in the 15% drive train loss and tell me what you get.

[man]

The poll is misleading also. Practically everybody has agreed that the S2k handles slightly better, so it would get more votes. However, the Cobra would beat it around a track because the difference in handling is not very significant while the difference in power is.

But the difference in pwr/weight ratio is not...:ninja:

[DieselNuts]

But the difference in pwr/weight ratio is not...:ninja:

Instigator :D

My cobra made 404 REAR WHEEL HP stock and weighed in at 3645lbs.

S2000 makes 237 FLYWHEEL HP and weighs 2809lbs.

Cobra=9.02lbs/hp

S2000=11.85lbs/hp

Remember, this comparison leans in favor of the S2k because I didn't use its actual wheel horsepower like I did with my Cobra.

Oh, one more thing. I made 374ft.lbs of TQ.....What's that honda make?

[nreggie454]

But the difference in pwr/weight ratio is not...:ninja:
EDIT: Ninja'd, dammit!

Actually, it is. From what I was able to gather from some Google searches, the 2004 S2000 produced 237HP weighing 2835 pounds. This is 11.96 lbs/HP. On the other hand, the Cobra produces 390HP weighing in at 3664 pounds. That equals 9.39 LBS/HP, which is a pretty decent gap. Not to mention the S2000 produces 161 lbs/ft of torque while the Cobra churns 390 lbs/ft.

[man]

Instigator :D

My cobra made 404 REAR WHEEL HP stock and weighed in at 3645lbs.

S2000 makes 237 FLYWHEEL HP and weighs 2809lbs.

Cobra=9.02lbs/hp

S2000=11.85lbs/hp

Remember, this comparison leans in favor of the S2k because I didn't use its actual wheel horsepower like I did with my Cobra.

Oh, one more thing. I made 374ft.lbs of TQ.....What's that honda make?


LOL, nice

btw I'm getting a sonic blue vert 03 as soon as I get out of school

[DieselNuts]

EDIT: Ninja'd, dammit!

Actually, it is. From what I was able to gather from some Google searches, the 2004 S2000 produced 237HP weighing 2835 pounds. This is 11.96 lbs/HP. On the other hand, the Cobra produces 390HP weighing in at 3664 pounds. That equals 9.39 LBS/HP, which is a pretty decent gap. Not to mention the S2000 produces 161 lbs/ft of torque while the Cobra churns 390 lbs/ft.

Nice:goodjob:

Yeah, fuck pounds per HP. Lets talk pounds per FT/LB TQ.


LOL, nice

btw I'm getting a sonic blue vert 03 as soon as I get out of school
I hate you

[afwfjustin]

The original question is kind of a dumb one (no offense intended) because it asks which car handles better around a track. This would mean, which car is faster ONLY through the turns in a track. The question should be, which car is faster on a track, which car is a better handling car, or which car is more nimble, etc.

Obviously the S2000 is more nimble, no getting around that. The Cobra has much more power, so it doesn't take a smart person to figure that out.

They are two completely different kinds of cars, built for completely different reasons. This is like comparing an apple to an orange here.

I voted S2000 because I used to have one and it was very fast (200 pounds reduced, 400HP/285TQ) :) And I've ridden in Mustangs and they feel like you're riding in a boat (I just like small, nimble cars better but it's my personal choice).

[afwfjustin]

Oh, one more thing. I made 374ft.lbs of TQ.....What's that honda make?

While paper racing is silly, the 130-ish TQ that a stock s2000 will put down is masked by the fact that it has a 4.10 final drive. Gearing multiplies TQ so it might sound low but if kept in vtec throughout the gears the car is much quicker than it would seem.

[afwfjustin]

the S2000 produces 161 lbs/ft of torque

Incorrect. The AP1 is about 130 and the AP2 is about 137 IIRC.

[Terror]

as much domestic people as we have on this import site, i still think the S would win, i see the S people aint talking much but they're still ahead on the votes lol

Ummm... No.

The poll does not constitute facts.. it shows opinions... the reason the polls are ahead is because 90% of people on this site believe that because the S2K is a roadster, that it has extreme handling powers...

Two professional drivers + 1 Cobra + 1 S2K = the S2k getting owned in the face.

[87 Turbo II]

Well for handling in most cases just go with the lighter car, in this case the S2000. The cobra's IRS isn't a great system from what I've heard and other than being able to house super wide tires, I see no handling advantages for the cobra. They're just too heavy. So I say S2K. But the pol/thread is worded weird. I assume you JUSt mean tha handling part, not how would they "handle a track". So if the question is about lap times in general, then I say it depends on how tight the course is, but pure handling alone, S2k, overall, Cobra has mad power.

[Elbow]

Ok, from what I have seen at ROAD ATLANTA...

S2000's are generally faster in TURNS, but the Cobra makes up for it by not being left in the turns, and then raping the homo Honda on the straight. If both were driven by a pro driver, I am willing to bet the S2000 has NO chance other then in corners, but after a couple laps, especially at that track which is FAST, there will be no race.

I have seen new Camaro SS's out there and have not been even slightly impressed.

LOL at a E92 M3 being better then all, they aren't that great.

[nreggie454]

Incorrect. The AP1 is about 130 and the AP2 is about 137 IIRC.



From what I was able to gather from some Google searches...

Either way, if it produces less torque, then that hurts the S2k argument.

[SicStang03]

The original question is kind of a dumb one (no offense intended) because it asks which car handles better around a track. This would mean, which car is faster ONLY through the turns in a track. The question should be, which car is faster on a track, which car is a better handling car, or which car is more nimble, etc.

Obviously the S2000 is more nimble, no getting around that. The Cobra has much more power, so it doesn't take a smart person to figure that out.

They are two completely different kinds of cars, built for completely different reasons. This is like comparing an apple to an orange here.

I voted S2000 because I used to have one and it was very fast (200 pounds reduced, 400HP/285TQ) :) And I've ridden in Mustangs and they feel like you're riding in a boat (I just like small, nimble cars better but it's my personal choice).


You've never ridden in a 03/04 cobra ;)



Well for handling in most cases just go with the lighter car, in this case the S2000. The cobra's IRS isn't a great system from what I've heard and other than being able to house super wide tires, I see no handling advantages for the cobra. They're just too heavy. So I say S2K. But the pol/thread is worded weird. I assume you JUSt mean tha handling part, not how would they "handle a track". So if the question is about lap times in general, then I say it depends on how tight the course is, but pure handling alone, S2k, overall, Cobra has mad power.

Most ignorant statement of this thread :lmfao:... I realize everyone has an opinion but you are basing this off what you heard? At the strip, yes, it is a poor platform if you are running street tires... but still 31 spline axels that have gotten many people well into the 10's and even 9's... No handling advantages? lol on the skidpad the s2k wins by .04... the cobra pwns at high speed slalom... The 1 second the s2k might pull in a tight corner will be shut down 15ft later :D

The poll is worded weird but the argument we had was that his car would beat mine at a track... stock for stock the cobra would still win... I would stop for lunch in the middle of the race and still win in my car :boobies:

[Elbow]

Yeah I agree some of you all are speaking from looks, the Cobra is bigger, it MUST be slower in corners. There are Cobras at autocross events that will kill an S2000. Believe it or not, Ford didn't only care about straight line.

Even regular Mustangs can be made to handle very well with not that much work done.

[VIP Style]

agreed, im really not that impressed by the s2k anyway, its just a four cylinder roadster, nothing special really.
Ummm... No.

The poll does not constitute facts.. it shows opinions... the reason the polls are ahead is because 90% of people on this site believe that because the S2K is a roadster, that it has extreme handling powers...

Two professional drivers + 1 Cobra + 1 S2K = the S2k getting owned in the face.

[Elbow]

The S2K is a great car, but it's far from the best in it's arena. A Miata with bolt ons isn't even that much slower, and will definitely beat it in the twisties.

[DieselNuts]

Well for handling in most cases just go with the lighter car, in this case the S2000. The cobra's IRS isn't a great system from what I've heard and other than being able to house super wide tires, I see no handling advantages for the cobra. They're just too heavy. So I say S2K. But the pol/thread is worded weird. I assume you JUSt mean tha handling part, not how would they "handle a track". So if the question is about lap times in general, then I say it depends on how tight the course is, but pure handling alone, S2k, overall, Cobra has mad power.
...

[Frög]

yes, an s2k will outhandle a Cobra on a turn.. barely..



Who would put up better times with the same driver.

But if you race around RA, S2k will get OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are comparing cars from different classes.. I think this poll should compare s2k's and miatas..

[Elbow]

Yeah an S2K VS Miata would be much better.

[sprix!]

S2k vs MX-5 might work better... but you would really need to toss in a Mazdaspeed MX-5 in order for it to be comparable. The power difference between the two is fairly sizable, though both handle arguably well.
I have seen a few people talking about comparisons of car X *stock* vs car Z *modified*, but just remember that modifications prove any comparison vs a stock car invalid. If one car is modified and tossed into a comparison, the other car should be modified, and preferably to a comparable degree. I can sufficient funding into a Hyundai Elantra and make a track beast out of it, so let's be careful how we bring modified cars into the discussion.

[Elbow]

I know a NA Miata (pop up lights) with bolt ons and suspension will run RIGHT on an S2K's bumper with a few mods. I see it all the time. In fact an S2K doesn't even really pull on the straights with bolt ons.

[sprix!]

Again, it isn't really a valid comparison to toss a modified car against a stock car and declare one the winner. I don't doubt that what you post could happen as far as a mod'd NA running closely with an APx, but I could toss money into a Civic, Mazda 3, Saturn Ion, etc and get it to do the same thing.

[DieselNuts]

I could toss money into a Civic, Mazda 3, Saturn Ion, etc and get it to do the same thing.

FWD FTL

[xxbckiexx]

not sure if this was directed to me but if so maybe you should re read my post as i sat nuetral in my point so not really getting your "pride" comment?

underpowered honda? is there a faster stock honda?

120hp? im totally confused...:thinking:

if not directed to me then my bad for thinking possibly but still confused either way lol!


towards the op. i didn't read your posts.

[On_Her_Face]

Corvette blows both out of the water.

[xxbckiexx]

Corvette blows both out of the water.

:yes:

ill stick with my z06. ty.

[Homer Simpson]

I voted s2k for obvious reasons.

I don't know much about Cobra's except that they sound good, look good, and have terrible interiors.

[Catnip]

They are two completely different kinds of cars, built for completely different reasons. This is like comparing an apple to an orange here.

I voted S2000 because I used to have one and it was very fast (200 pounds reduced, 400HP/285TQ) :) And I've ridden in Mustangs and they feel like you're riding in a boat (I just like small, nimble cars better but it's my personal choice).

You think comparing an S2000 and comparing a Terminator is apples and oranges, but you want to compare a gutted 400hp S2000 to what I'm guessing are stock non-terminator mustangs?


While paper racing is silly, the 130-ish TQ that a stock s2000 will put down is masked by the fact that it has a 4.10 final drive. Gearing multiplies TQ so it might sound low but if kept in vtec throughout the gears the car is much quicker than it would seem.


The Cobra has a 3.55 with a 6 speed, it's not hurting gear wise.

And sadly, I agree... and facts agree with xxbckiexx. Z06 > S2000/cobra

[crxsiguy]

i think it should be 03 cobra vs NSX, but as we all know NSX > ALL!

[atlxpat]

wrx?

lol but damn i never knew 03-04 cobras had IRS

[DieselNuts]

I voted s2k for obvious reasons.

I don't know much about Cobra's except that they sound good, look good, and have terrible interiors.
with a statement like that, its obvious you're just a fanboy:gay:

as we all know NSX > ALL!

not so much...

[crxsiguy]

not so much...
NSX>C6 Z06

[nreggie454]

NSX>C6 Z06
LOL.

[DieselNuts]

NSX>C6 Z06

:lmfao:

Do you seriously believe this?

[crxsiguy]

:lmfao:

Do you seriously believe this?
I like my life a 1/4 mile at a time

[Catnip]

I like my life a 1/4 mile at a time


And for those 14 seconds or less

[crxsiguy]

And for those 14 seconds or more
fixed that for ya

[SicStang03]

LOL

[JITB]

its called a TERMINATOR you cant fuck with that

[S II K]

I voted s2k


If you honestly think a ford mustang can out handle an s2000 please with all due respect slap your fucking face. and for those that think s2ks and miatas are a better comparison with alll due respect slap your fucking face as well. you cant compare them sotck for stock they are waaaaaay more underpowered than a s2000. even if they both had every single bolt on the s2000 would walk a miata.\


The End.

[Catnip]

its called a TERMINATOR you cant fuck with that


Iknorite?

http://www.mustangevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/kockyproducts.jpg

[HypnoToad]

this thread has huge LOLs

[Catnip]

Took a CR to beat the Cobra

http://www.torque.tv/index.php?_page=81.bW9kdWxlPW5ld3MmdGFzaz1nZXRpdGV tJnBvc3RfaWQ9Mjk=

[S II K]

Took a CR to beat the Cobra

http://www.torque.tv/index.php?_page=81.bW9kdWxlPW5ld3MmdGFzaz1nZXRpdGV tJnBvc3RfaWQ9Mjk=


Took a cobra to somewhat hang with a little 4 cylinder underpowered honda.

if youre bothered that a cr beat the cobra then put a gt vs a regular s2000 or a v6 mustang. cobras are a higher end mustang and cr is a "higher end" s2000. im sorry i honestly cant believe you think a mustang handles better.

[S2KJD]

:crickets churping: :D

[Catnip]

Took a cobra to somewhat hang with a little 4 cylinder underpowered honda.

if youre bothered that a cr beat the cobra then put a gt vs a regular s2000 or a v6 mustang. cobras are a higher end mustang and cr is a "higher end" s2000. im sorry i honestly cant believe you think a mustang handles better.


No, it's the fact it took the "higher end" version of a car that was built to handle, to beat a the, lets call it the "handling package", version of a car that was never intended to handle well.

If that makes sense.

[S2KJD]

No, it's the fact it took the "higher end" version of a car that was built to handle, to beat a the, lets call it the "handling package", version of a car that was never intended to handle well.

If that makes sense.

it doesnt cause THROUGHOUT this thread there are ravs about how the cobra 03-04 is setup to handle better so...

and i agree let a v6 mustang and ap1 or ap2 race to be more fair then against the cobra. a CR should be the least of your worries to unfair on saying "higher end" lol!

as of now the writing is on the wall so now we need to find more times on other tracks...


good find by the way!

[HypnoToad]

someone take a cobra and s2k to road atlanta and see what happens.......lol

[S2KJD]

not sure imho as depending on the track i think either way but i do like how both sides are so confident(more so the cobra fans) but yet no one is showing straight evidence of a s2k vs cobra actually going head to head lol!

and now we do! now there has to be more out there so let the #'s do the talking as i said back on page 2 :boobies:


Took a CR to beat the Cobra

http://www.torque.tv/index.php?_page=81.bW9kdWxlPW5ld3MmdGFzaz1nZXRpdGV tJnBvc3RfaWQ9Mjk=

+1 rep

[Catnip]

it doesnt cause THROUGHOUT this thread there are ravs about how the cobra 03-04 is setup to handle better so...

And it handles amazing for a big, heavy muscle car. You can't argue that, with it being only 2 seconds behind the, and I quote "race ready S2000."


and i agree let a GT mustang and ap1 or ap2 race to be more fair then against the cobra. a CR should be the least of your worries to unfair on saying "higher end" lol!

The mustang GT and mustang cobra (99-04) are two different cars. Like I said, the cobra is the handling package of a car that wasn't really meant to handle good. So to take the GT and put it up against a S2000 isn't fair, straight line or "twisties."


as of now the writing is on the wall so now we need to find more times on other tracks...


good find by the way!

I agree, finding more times for different tracks would be fair.

Thanks :goodjob:

[Catnip]

I'm really waiting for someone to call me a Cobra nutswinger... :lmao:

[S2KJD]

someone take a cobra and s2k to road atlanta and see what happens.......lol

yes there are tons of tracks all with advantages as well as disadvantages to both cars and road atlanta would favor the cobra do to more straights. thats one track out of many i can think of dude...

[S2KJD]

The mustang GT and mustang cobra (99-04) are two different cars. Like I said, the cobra is the handling package of a car that wasn't really meant to handle good. So to take the GT and put it up against a S2000 isn't fair, straight line or "twisties."



I agree, finding more times for different tracks would be fair.

Thanks :goodjob:

i edited after you already quoted me as i meant to say v6 since i was trying to quote s ii k's comment...

[Catnip]

i edited after you already quoted me as i meant to say v6 since i was trying to quote s ii k's comment...


The V6 Mustang isn't even a sports car.

[HypnoToad]

yes there are tons of tracks all with advantages as well as disadvantages to both cars and road atlanta would favor the cobra do to more straights. thats one track out of many i can think of dude...


well yea,the s2k is like a miata in the fact it is a pure handling sports car...while something like a corvette is the full package.

the cobra is a nice handling bump from the standard GT.

[HypnoToad]

The V6 Mustang isn't even a sports car.

a V8 isnt either in my book,its a sports coupe or pony car,like the fbodies

[Catnip]

a V8 isnt either in my book,its a sports coupe or pony car,like the fbodies



Not to sound like the cocky F-body owner, but I consider the f-body a muscle car. Some seem to handle AIGHT (I've seen a few stock ones RAPE in solo runs), but I totally see them as straight line cars. The mustang is, like you said, the pony car... or the mucle car for bisexual/bicurious males.

I just don't see how someone would even think to put a V6 mustang in any competition with anything. LOL

[HypnoToad]

Not to sound like the cocky F-body owner, but I consider the f-body a muscle car. Some seem to handle AIGHT (I've seen a few stock ones RAPE in solo runs), but I totally see them as straight line cars. The mustang is, like you said, the pony car... or the mucle car for bisexual/bicurious males.

I just don't see how someone would even think to put a V6 mustang in any competition with anything. LOL

lol,o Fbodies kill mustang in handling.....i know 3rd gens were on par with C4s at the time,which was a pretty big thing.

but without mustang we wouldnt have fbody....and they both come with non-V8 powerplants...which basicly makes it into different cars......i think of a sports car as a stand alone..one model car.

[Stormhammer]

Took a CR to beat the SVT Cobra

http://www.torque.tv/index.php?_page=81.bW9kdWxlPW5ld3MmdGFzaz1nZXRpdGV tJnBvc3RfaWQ9Mjk=


fixed :D lol


Also - here's the large large difference.

Cobra isn't exactly meant to be a high revving engine, and they're torque monsters - so they have great bottom end. Especially with that Eaton supercharger. Also, it has a heavier nose ( 57/43 weight ratio ) whilst the S2000 has a 49/51 weight ratio. Paired with the torque band of the engine and how high they can rev, and S2000 will have a faster entry and exit speed in a corner than a Cobra.

It's unfair to state though without a course. If a course has any number of long straights, sooner or later the Cobra will catch up. That's just horsepower facts for you. If it's a ridiculously curvy course, the S2000 will rape it being that it'll be able to stay in its power band a lot easier.

In other words, this thread is fucking retarded.

[afwfjustin]

You've never ridden in a 03/04 cobra ;)

You are correct! I don't doubt that they are better handling cars; I was just saying that most Mustangs I've ridden in (GTs and V6s from same body style) felt like donkey shit when they were turning.

I think my previous post wins the entire thread. It's worded poorly. If we're talking about which car is more nimble and a better "handling" car, it's the S2000. If we're talking about which car is faster at a track, it's the Cobra. But saying which car is better handling at a track? There are way too many different variables to really give an answer to that - and that's why we're still debating this crap :)

And I think that my old S2000 would destroy a Cobra even on a track - and that's with it running only on the wastegate spring and untuned for higher boost :D

[afwfjustin]

In other words, this thread is fucking retarded.

Amen, sista :cheers:

[JITB]

I voted s2k


If you honestly think a ford mustang can out handle an s2000 please with all due respect slap your fucking face. and for those that think s2ks and miatas are a better comparison with alll due respect slap your fucking face as well. you cant compare them sotck for stock they are waaaaaay more underpowered than a s2000. even if they both had every single bolt on the s2000 would walk a miata.\


The End.


lol

Z4
miata
s2000
sky
solstice
slk
MrS

all the same.. they are all 2 seater roadsters

[Elbow]

Wow, the stupidity in this thread is awesome.

I WORK AT ROAD ATLANTA, I SEE COBRAS MURDERING THE FUCK OUT OF S2000'S. Even tuned up ones. I see Miatas running and swapping positions with S2K's all day, an S2000 IS NOT A FAST CAR. It handles well, a Miata handles better, S2K has more power but that's not always a playing factor. A Miata will beat an S2K in the mountains.

This is SO STUPID. The Cobra isn't just a Mustang. Saying run a S2K against a V6 Mustang is like saying run your Civic Type R against a base model, same car really...not.

All the S2000 fan boys in here make me LOL.

[S2KJD]

Wow, the stupidity in this thread is awesome.

I WORK AT ROAD ATLANTA, I SEE COBRAS MURDERING THE FUCK OUT OF S2000'S. Even tuned up ones. I see Miatas running and swapping positions with S2K's all day, an S2000 IS NOT A FAST CAR. It handles well, a Miata handles better, S2K has more power but that's not always a playing factor. A Miata will beat an S2K in the mountains.

This is SO STUPID. The Cobra isn't just a Mustang. Saying run a S2K against a V6 Mustang is like saying run your Civic Type R against a base model, same car really...not.

All the S2000 fan boys in here make me LOL.

lol! pretty sure no one is arguing that at road atlanta a cobra would rape cause of the course layout so thanks for restating pages worth. Another track was found and the s2k was faster so again its proven it depends on the track(at this point). many many echoes in this thread lol! Find more times at other tracks to back up your so yourself up man and if more are found with the cobra having better times then awesome cause i really think no one in here is as passionate about this as you r dude :goodjob:

anyhow sidenote: wondering with you working there do you know a guy named Jesse Straight? He works for Panoz...

[Elbow]

lol! pretty sure no one is arguing that at road atlanta a cobra would rape cause of the course layout so thanks for restating pages worth. Another track was found and the s2k was faster so again its proven it depends on the track(at this point). many many echoes in this thread lol! Find more times at other tracks to back up your so yourself up man and if more are found with the cobra having better times then awesome cause i really think no one in here is as passionate about this as you r dude :goodjob:

anyhow sidenote: wondering with you working there do you know a guy named Jesse Straight? He works for Panoz...

What part of Panoz?

[S2KJD]

What part of Panoz?

hes been there for close to 10 years now, i believe but he started out in composites making small cf parts then built the cf engine covers and now he actually goes out and seeks business for them since the "racing" scene is almost non existant. also on monday nights he teaches a wet layup class there.

[Elbow]

Hmm I really don't know many who work for Panoz. I use to when the school was there but...

[S2KJD]

Hmm I really don't know many who work for Panoz. I use to when the school was there but...

cool cool thought id ask as its always a small world...

[SicStang03]

I see a lot of talk about GTs and V6 Mustangs blah blah blah... The argument we had was his car and mine... Even stock for stock the cobra would win on most tracks... I would lap him on most tracks LOL

[S II K]

Im confident that i can beat a mild bolt on 03-04 cobra in a straight line...oh wait i take that back i HAVE beat a mild bolt on cobra in a straight line and im also sure i could probably take one around the turns. this thread is stupid too many s2k nutswingers and cobra dicksuckers. These are 2 different ass cars ment for 2 different ass things.

I still think my s2000 will easily beat a stock cobra at road atlanta, but stock for stock the cobra will do work on a s2k due to the long ass back stretch lol BUT around the turns the s2k will do work on a cobra, and that is my opinion I am entitled to it, you dont have to agree with me and thats ok do your thing.

[S II K]

I see a lot of talk about GTs and V6 Mustangs blah blah blah... The argument we had was his car and mine... Even stock for stock the cobra would win on most tracks... I would lap him on most tracks LOL


how much hp you making? you can pm me if you wish to keep it :ninja:

[S II K]

What car handles better? Who would put up better times with the same driver.
Sicstang and I have been arguing this point. Especially if the track doesn't have long straights.



S2000>Cobra

[Elbow]

S2000>Cobra

You're the S2000 nut swinger.

I have seen a stock Cobra beat an S2000 in turns.

[SicStang03]

500/500 and I have suspension mods... I don't care what the poll says... lol at especially if it doesn't have many straights... If we ran at every track in the country I still think the Cobra would win most.

The argument we had was my car and his. I guess he started to feel stupid when he though about it and decided to make the poll all specific.

[blue_lude_91]

this is what ive gathered....
s2000 and cobra are two different. CR vs cobra is a correct comparison. so the s2k CR beat the cobra, that should be the end of a thread. stock for stock. okay the cobra wasnt far behind but it still lost to the CR. oh and all the talk about blah blah blah cobra wasnt built for handling doesnt matter. facts are facts. would a cobra beat a stock s2k? prob i think that was already discussed, but its a lame comparison. okay mr. tibbet, you see cobra walk s2k on road atlanta, good. road atlanta has huge straits, so it makes your point INVAILD because this thead talks about turns. i think the CR vs cobra is a good comparison, because both have setups for better handling. oh and funny part of the thread is that s2k still has almost less than half hp and tq and half the cylnders, but still CR beats cobra. so if you like cobra or s2k it doesnt matter, facts are facts. different tracks would make different results blah blah blah. its just silly to argue, point is CR vs cobra is a good test, b/c they are both top of the line models. CR beat cobra, end of point.

[Elbow]

THE COBRAS CAN BEAT THE S2K IN TURNS TOO...I'm not just saying overall lap times.

[S2KJD]

THE COBRAS CAN BEAT THE S2K IN TURNS TOO...I'm not just saying overall lap times.

okay good to know.

post above yours plain and simple should be where the thread is locked and our post should be deleted:cheers:

i cant continue to talk/read in circles anymore so you guys take it easy in this thread anyways :D :cheers:

[SicStang03]

this is what ive gathered....
s2000 and cobra are two different. CR vs cobra is a correct comparison. so the s2k CR beat the cobra, that should be the end of a thread. stock for stock. okay the cobra wasnt far behind but it still lost to the CR. oh and all the talk about blah blah blah cobra wasnt built for handling doesnt matter. facts are facts. would a cobra beat a stock s2k? prob i think that was already discussed, but its a lame comparison. okay mr. tibbet, you see cobra walk s2k on road atlanta, good. road atlanta has huge straits, so it makes your point INVAILD because this thead talks about turns. i think the CR vs cobra is a good comparison, because both have setups for better handling. oh and funny part of the thread is that s2k still has almost less than half hp and tq and half the cylnders, but still CR beats cobra. so if you like cobra or s2k it doesnt matter, facts are facts. different tracks would make different results blah blah blah. its just silly to argue, point is CR vs cobra is a good test, b/c they are both top of the line models. CR beat cobra, end of point.


This isn't a cobra vs CR thread... stock s2k vs Cobra. Road Atlanta is the closest track around here, yet everyone is all "road atlanta has huge straights"... WHO CARES! A track is a track... Sure S2K beats a cobra on the skidpad by .04 and can brake a little faster. The Cobra will pull in every straight no matter how long it is and leave every turn faster. The difference in power overcomes the minimal elsewhere. The Cobra owns at high speed slalom.

[S II K]

You're the S2000 nut swinger.

I have seen a stock Cobra beat an S2000 in turns.


I know I am, I own one :goodjob:


I honestly do not give a shit what youve seen, what ive seen from when ive been in the mountains even at little talladega i was not impressed at all. sorry s2000's will out handle a cobra any day especially if its turn after turn with no long stretches. as it has been already proven that the Club Racer s2k is faster then the all might svt cobra.

[S II K]

500/500 and I have suspension mods... I don't care what the poll says... lol at especially if it doesn't have many straights... If we ran at every track in the country I still think the Cobra would win most.

The argument we had was my car and his. I guess he started to feel stupid when he though about it and decided to make the poll all specific.


Well then yes youre 500hp/500tq cobra will beat his stock 237hp/161tq s2000 especially at road atlanta. Thats not a fair comparison at all. Especially if you have suspension mods and he doesnt.

[Elbow]

I know I am, I own one :goodjob:


I honestly do not give a shit what youve seen, what ive seen from when ive been in the mountains even at little talladega i was not impressed at all. sorry s2000's will out handle a cobra any day especially if its turn after turn with no long stretches. as it has been already proven that the Club Racer s2k is faster then the all might svt cobra.

Well your mountain runs may have not been very good drivers. I beat a Z06 in my old Miata on Blood Mountain, obviously if it had been a better driver he would have raped me.

The title says around a TRACK. Tracks have straights, all of them almost, some longer then others, but it doesn't matter, because power at the exit is what makes up tons of time when the S2K isn't even leaving it in turns.

Take an S2K and a Cobra, Little Talladega, October 3, then continue the thread.

[S II K]

Well your mountain runs may have not been very good drivers. I beat a Z06 in my old Miata on Blood Mountain, obviously if it had been a better driver he would have raped me.

The title says around a TRACK. Tracks have straights, all of them almost, some longer then others, but it doesn't matter, because power at the exit is what makes up tons of time when the S2K isn't even leaving it in turns.

Take an S2K and a Cobra, Little Talladega, October 3, then continue the thread.


sounds good! ive been wanting to try out my new suspencion setup anyways. Ill PM you and ill get one of these little cobra guys to come with me lol sicstang03 you down? i think ill be a little better competition then a stock ass s2k.

[SicStang03]

PM me details for October 3rd

[Elbow]

It's the time attack Top Speed setup, go find the info, events section I think, or if you want a private track day to do it we are working on setting one up.

[SandM]

see, this is what it's all about... we have an argument, a bunch of shit talk, and now a deciding track day. i can't offer a concrete answer, because both the two people in an argument can't decide on what kind of specific track. for me, it's a toss up.
edit: i do agree however that the CR should be matched against the Cobra. and fyi sicstang (the CR is a stock s2k)

[JITB]

i cant mentally grasp the concept of a stock s2k coming close to getting past a TERMINATOR..hopefully this gets done!

[afwfjustin]

Wow, the stupidity in this thread is awesome.

I WORK AT ROAD ATLANTA, I SEE COBRAS MURDERING THE FUCK OUT OF S2000'S. Even tuned up ones. I see Miatas running and swapping positions with S2K's all day, an S2000 IS NOT A FAST CAR. It handles well, a Miata handles better, S2K has more power but that's not always a playing factor. A Miata will beat an S2K in the mountains.

This is SO STUPID. The Cobra isn't just a Mustang. Saying run a S2K against a V6 Mustang is like saying run your Civic Type R against a base model, same car really...not.

All the S2000 fan boys in here make me LOL.

Calm down man. There is NO argument that the Cobra is a better handling car than the S2000 because the S2000 is. There is also NO argument that the Cobra is a faster car and that it would beat an S2000 at a track because it's the faster overall car, by far.

We've already established that.

And saying that S2000 is not a fast car? Yeah, duh. It makes 200 whp no shit.

[afwfjustin]

I know I am, I own one :goodjob:


I honestly do not give a shit what youve seen, what ive seen from when ive been in the mountains even at little talladega i was not impressed at all. sorry s2000's will out handle a cobra any day especially if its turn after turn with no long stretches. as it has been already proven that the Club Racer s2k is faster then the all might svt cobra.

DING DING DING

The poll says which car HANDLES better at a track. Not 'which is faster at a track'

The S2000 will have faster entry speed and exit speed from each corner. The car is more nimble. It will beat the Cobra at Autocross as well. It is small, nimble, and made to handle well. It has a high backbone tunnel, is rigidly stiff in OEM form, and with a front and rear double wishbone suspension.

The Cobra... well... has suspension upgrades to a big pile of shit Mustang body.

Lock this thread :)

[JITB]

DING DING DING

The poll says which car HANDLES better at a track. Not 'which is faster at a track'

The S2000 will have faster entry speed and exit speed from each corner. The car is more nimble. It will beat the Cobra at Autocross as well. It is small, nimble, and made to handle well. It has a high backbone tunnel, is rigidly stiff in OEM form, and with a front and rear double wishbone suspension.

The Cobra... well... has suspension upgrades to a big pile of shit Mustang body.

Lock this thread :)

u sure about this?

the s2k will have a faster entry speed than the cobra

the s2k will have have faster exit speed

S2k's are known to be twitchy cars from the get go.

Where are u all gettin these stats from..lol

[DieselNuts]

Jesus Christ. All this nitpicking is fucking annoying.

[Christopherr]

The question posed is not who will lap quicker, but which of the two handles better.

Handling is a combination of factors, as well know...ie, responsivness, side to side transition (slalom), oversteering understeering, grip...etc.

Although the Cobra has much more power...the lesser mass, better weight distrubted S2k will outperform.

[On_Her_Face]

The question posed is not who will lap quicker, but which of the two handles better.

Handling is a combination of factors, as well know...ie, responsivness, side to side transition (slalom), oversteering understeering, grip...etc.

Although the Cobra has much more power...the lesser mass, better weight distrubted S2k will outperform.

and the answer is..

CORVETTE.

Edit: Will aka SIIK aka friend. You need to post pictures of your SIIK. I miss it and you princess.

[btstone]

ill race any cobra in my S2K...hehe.

[On_Her_Face]

ill race any cobra in my S2K...hehe.

On street tires around a track :taun:

I don't have a Cobra

[Elbow]

DING DING DING

The poll says which car HANDLES better at a track. Not 'which is faster at a track'

The S2000 will have faster entry speed and exit speed from each corner. The car is more nimble. It will beat the Cobra at Autocross as well. It is small, nimble, and made to handle well. It has a high backbone tunnel, is rigidly stiff in OEM form, and with a front and rear double wishbone suspension.

The Cobra... well... has suspension upgrades to a big pile of shit Mustang body.

Lock this thread :)

Wow, smart guy here...:screwy:

The S2000 will NOT have a higher exit speed, where do you get that from? It has no power. Have you seen a Cobra autocross? Yeah, no slouch there. I'm sure you think an S2K will beat a Corvette at autocross too.

Go to a race, then talk, Gran Turismo isn't the truth. :no:

[On_Her_Face]

Wow, smart guy here...:screwy:

The S2000 will NOT have a higher exit speed, where do you get that from? It has no power. Have you seen a Cobra autocross? Yeah, no slouch there. I'm sure you think an S2K will beat a Corvette at autocross too.

Go to a race, then talk, Gran Turismo isn't the truth. :no:

A S2000 can beat a Corvette in autocross, due to the Corvette being AMURKIAN made it is only able to turn left.

[Elbow]

A S2000 can beat a Corvette in autocross, due to the Corvette being AMURKIAN made it is only able to turn left.

Oh yeah. I forgot. :screwy:

[JITB]

Wow, smart guy here...:screwy:

The S2000 will NOT have a higher exit speed, where do you get that from? It has no power. Have you seen a Cobra autocross? Yeah, no slouch there. I'm sure you think an S2K will beat a Corvette at autocross too.

Go to a race, then talk, Gran Turismo isn't the truth. :no:



lol not even in forza or GT stock for stock you are NOT gettin past a cobra in a s2k...:lmfao:

[Austin?]

s2k

[SicStang03]

Wow, smart guy here...:screwy:

The S2000 will NOT have a higher exit speed, where do you get that from? It has no power. Have you seen a Cobra autocross? Yeah, no slouch there. I'm sure you think an S2K will beat a Corvette at autocross too.

Go to a race, then talk, Gran Turismo isn't the truth. :no:

right! For the people who missed this video posted earlier

This car has the same springs as me and some caster, camber and toe adjustments.. THAT'S IT suspension wise...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/03-Cobra-on-a-VERY-tight_138329.htm

[Elbow]

lol not even in forza or GT stock for stock you are NOT gettin past a cobra in a s2k...:lmfao:

LMFAO I know I just tried. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:: lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[JITB]

right! For the people who missed this video posted earlier

This car has the same springs as me and some caster, camber and toe adjustments.. THAT'S IT suspension wise...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/03-Cobra-on-a-VERY-tight_138329.htm

ive never seen a cobra be soo nimble! nice video!

[S II K]

and the answer is..

CORVETTE.

Edit: Will aka SIIK aka friend. You need to post pictures of your SIIK. I miss it and you princess.

haha billy you never call me when youre in town so obviously im not that missed. yeah man it looks completely different now, Ill post some pics tomorrow.

[S II K]

ive never seen a cobra be soo nimble! nice video!

haha because they're not that guy probably spent a shit ton of money on suspencion.

[DieselNuts]

haha because they're not that guy probably spent a shit ton of money on suspencion.

I guess you missed this part...


This car has the same springs as me and some caster, camber and toe adjustments.. THAT'S IT suspension wise...

[Elbow]

haha because they're not that guy probably spent a shit ton of money on suspencion.

Please go to an autocross or road race and get back with us, thanks. :screwy:

[JITB]

haha because they're not that guy probably spent a shit ton of money on suspencion.

Pay attention bro..

[HypnoToad]

that yellow one was nice

[S II K]

Please go to an autocross or road race and get back with us, thanks. :screwy:


I have, and Ive done them with a few cobras, like i said before...not impressed AT ALL!

[Elbow]

I have, and Ive done them with a few cobras, like i said before...not impressed AT ALL!

What region and what class were you racing in?

[Frög]

haha because they're not that guy probably spent a shit ton of money on suspencion.


Take your adderall and read his post again.

[DieselNuts]

Take your adderall and read his post again.

I even pointed it out to him in post #164 but he is too stuck in his fan boy ways to realize it

[afwfjustin]

u sure about this?

the s2k will have a faster entry speed than the cobra

the s2k will have have faster exit speed

S2k's are known to be twitchy cars from the get go.

Where are u all gettin these stats from..lol

They aren't twitchy, they're completely neutral. Most cars have an understeer bias so people driving the S are unfamiliar with its' handling.

[afwfjustin]

Wow, smart guy here...:screwy:

The S2000 will NOT have a higher exit speed, where do you get that from? It has no power. Have you seen a Cobra autocross? Yeah, no slouch there. I'm sure you think an S2K will beat a Corvette at autocross too.

Go to a race, then talk, Gran Turismo isn't the truth. :no:


Eh? It can have a faster entry speed. And the only place the Cobra could have a faster exit speed would be from the acceleration from the apex to the end of the turn. We're talking a few mph here - maybe the Cobra could have the higher speed but it would be very close because the S has the faster entry and is a better handling car overall.

Don't assume I'm some retard here, I never said anything about an S2000 being faster than a Corvette in autocross. That statement came out of NOWHERE lol. Just because I've owned an S2000, it does not mean that I'm a fanboy and think that it's the fastest car in the world. You're the one coming in here with all the aggression and making assumptions about people.

Lay off the 'roids, pal.

[87 Turbo II]

You've never ridden in a 03/04 cobra ;)




Most ignorant statement of this thread :lmfao:... I realize everyone has an opinion but you are basing this off what you heard? At the strip, yes, it is a poor platform if you are running street tires... but still 31 spline axels that have gotten many people well into the 10's and even 9's... No handling advantages? lol on the skidpad the s2k wins by .04... the cobra pwns at high speed slalom... The 1 second the s2k might pull in a tight corner will be shut down 15ft later :D

The poll is worded weird but the argument we had was that his car would beat mine at a track... stock for stock the cobra would still win... I would stop for lunch in the middle of the race and still win in my car :boobies:

Just now replying to this, but I just wanted to say that what I said is hardly the most ignorant thing in the thread, as I was putting in "from what I heard" to show that everyhting I am saying IS in fact a guess. I am admitting to not knowing any of it for sure. And when I said "I see no handling advantages for the cobra" I was talking about in pure physics, weight, skidpad, wheelbase, etc. where I later added that the Cobra can house massive tires, so that is one major advantage.

[Bridged]

If they are both stock, it depends on the course/track it's done at. If there's alot of tight turns and not alot of straight ways I would say the S2K. But if the track is more open and like 90 angle and straight turns and just some strong turns, not many; the cobra could def put a hurt on the s2k with even drivers.

The issue here isn't the "muscle car's have shitty suspension" stuff, it basically comes done to weight and the drivers ability to throw and move that weight in the apex and out of the apex of the turns on the track, that and the gearing on the cars.

I have seen many muscle cars like mustang's and camaros ripping it up on track and scca events so don't think because Honda says the s2k comes ready for track at the dealership doesn't always hold true in the hands of a real person, but sure on paper.

A really good driver in the cobra and a normal Sunday driver in th s2k and even the smallest tightest course wont stop the good driver from coming around the bad in most cases on track and vice versa.


If your looking for a track car, test drive them both and pick which you feel is better for you. If your talking about street wise. The poor f**king deer.

My bet is on the cobra tho, even tho this question is pointless because we are not you, or the persons driving in this bench race. You have to decide which is best to you. This is like those, "WHATZ TEH MAX BOOOST I CANZ RUN ON MINES STOCK INTERNALS WITH 550CC INJECTRONS." The simple answer is every car/driver is different. Something you just got to figure out.

[Big Baller]

You guys are still talking about this. Even on a tight course a Cobra is going to walk all over a S2K.

If someone wants to bring a stock S2K and a stock Cobra out to an event at little tally, Ill be happy to drive both of them and we can put this to bed.

[Ruststang]

I voted the s2k because i believe it would take the cobra around a track with mostly turns. If i were buying a car I would not even consider the S2K I would go straight to the cobra.

[Frög]

You guys are still talking about this. Even on a tight course a Cobra is going to walk all over a S2K.


This is truth..

[OnURleft]

You guys are still talking about this. Even on a tight course a Cobra is going to walk all over a S2K.

If someone wants to bring a stock S2K and a stock Cobra out to an event at little tally, Ill be happy to drive both of them and we can put this to bed.

Respect this, i'd be willing to do the same.

[DoriDori]

Tight Track= S2K
Lengthy Track= Cobra

[Nemesis]

Tight Track= S2K
Lengthy Track= Cobra

idiot

[StupidBikerBoy]

The S2K would easily out handle the SVT Cobra stock for stock. As a matter of fact the S2K is in the A stock class in SCCA while the SVT Cobra is in F stock. Obviously the real racers say they dont handle anywhere near the S2K stock for stock. That being said, I have seen some mustangs with a little suspension work put down some serious g's. But then, thats not stock lol

Heres some others in the F stock class with the Cobra(I thought this was funny)

AMXJavelin V8 FSBMW5 series 6-cyl NOC6 series coupe8 series coupe (all)FS M5 ('00-'03)M5 ('88-'93) FSBuickRegal/Grand National, Turbo V6 FSCadillacCTS-V FSChevroletCamaro V8 NOCCorvette ('53-'62) FSChrysler300/300C ('04+) FSDatsun280 ZX Turbo FSDodgeMagnum SRT8Magnum, SRT-8Ram 1500 SRT10FS Stealth turbo FSFordMustang Mach 1 ('03+)Mustang SVT CobraMustang V8, NOCFS Thunderbird V8 & Supercharged V6 FSGMCSycloneTyphoon FSInfinitiG35 CoupeQ45 FSJaguarS-type (6-cyl)S-type RSedans, (12 cyl.)FS XJ-SXJ6 ('98+) FSLexus400GS400SC300FSLincolnLS V8 SedansMark VIII FSMercedesC36CLKE55 AMGFSMercuryCapri V-8Cougar V-8 & Supercharged V-6 FSMitsubishi3000 GT Turbo FSNissan300ZX turbo (pre-'90)300ZX, non-turbo ('90+) FSPontiacFirebird V8 NOCGTO ('04+)Trans-Am Turbo V-6FSShelbyGT350GT500 FSToyotaSupra Non-turbo ('93+)Supra Turbo ('86 1/2-'92) FSTriumphStag FSCatch-allV8 sedans, pick-ups, and sedan-derived convertibles NOC

[seanrg1116]

two cars that are not even in the same class

cobra>s2k

[Elbow]

The S2K would easily out handle the SVT Cobra stock for stock. As a matter of fact the S2K is in the A stock class in SCCA while the SVT Cobra is in F stock. Obviously the real racers say they dont handle anywhere near the S2K stock for stock. That being said, I have seen some mustangs with a little suspension work put down some serious g's. But then, thats not stock lol

Heres some others in the F stock class with the Cobra(I thought this was funny)

AMXJavelin V8 FSBMW5 series 6-cyl NOC6 series coupe8 series coupe (all)FS M5 ('00-'03)M5 ('88-'93) FSBuickRegal/Grand National, Turbo V6 FSCadillacCTS-V FSChevroletCamaro V8 NOCCorvette ('53-'62) FSChrysler300/300C ('04+) FSDatsun280 ZX Turbo FSDodgeMagnum SRT8Magnum, SRT-8Ram 1500 SRT10FS Stealth turbo FSFordMustang Mach 1 ('03+)Mustang SVT CobraMustang V8, NOCFS Thunderbird V8 & Supercharged V6 FSGMCSycloneTyphoon FSInfinitiG35 CoupeQ45 FSJaguarS-type (6-cyl)S-type RSedans, (12 cyl.)FS XJ-SXJ6 ('98+) FSLexus400GS400SC300FSLincolnLS V8 SedansMark VIII FSMercedesC36CLKE55 AMGFSMercuryCapri V-8Cougar V-8 & Supercharged V-6 FSMitsubishi3000 GT Turbo FSNissan300ZX turbo (pre-'90)300ZX, non-turbo ('90+) FSPontiacFirebird V8 NOCGTO ('04+)Trans-Am Turbo V-6FSShelbyGT350GT500 FSToyotaSupra Non-turbo ('93+)Supra Turbo ('86 1/2-'92) FSTriumphStag FSCatch-allV8 sedans, pick-ups, and sedan-derived convertibles NOC

Autocross...compares to NOTHING in the automotive world lol.

[afwfjustin]

Autocross...compares to NOTHING in the automotive world lol.

But it does tell which car is more nimble and has better HANDLING. What is so hard to understand here?

Give the S2000 equal power and it will RAPE the Cobra even on a road course. Or, take the supercharger off the Cobra and let it run like it's a GT. Again, the S2000 will DESTROY the Cobra. Why? Because the S2000 is the better handling car. The ONLY reason people are saying the Cobra will beat an S2000 is because it has 200 more horsepower. And this thread isn't about which car has more power or will post better times, it's about handling.

I can't believe people are still talking about this.

[Elbow]

Of course stock for stock a S2K would beat a Cobra on a autocross course.

[sprix!]

Can we get a poll to lock this thread? We are never going to agree on the outcome of this thread, and it just *won't* die. Moderators- preserve the sanctity of our forums and purge this mess!!!!

[nreggie454]

But it does tell which car is more nimble and has better HANDLING. What is so hard to understand here?

Give the S2000 equal power and it will RAPE the Cobra even on a road course. Or, take the supercharger off the Cobra and let it run like it's a GT. Again, the S2000 will DESTROY the Cobra. Why? Because the S2000 is the better handling car. The ONLY reason people are saying the Cobra will beat an S2000 is because it has 200 more horsepower. And this thread isn't about which car has more power or will post better times, it's about handling.

I can't believe people are still talking about this.

I don't think so, because the Cobra will still own it in the torque department. Also, the original question was which car would post better times around a track. The poll question was worded differently to be about handling. People are saying that a Cobra would win not only because of the huge power difference, but also the small handling difference between the two.

[sprix!]

I don't think so, because the Cobra will still own it in the torque department. Also, the original question was which car would post better times around a track. The poll question was worded differently to be about handling. People are saying that a Cobra would win not only because of the huge power difference, but also the small handling difference between the two.
You do realize you aren't actually disagreeing with Justin, right? You are actually saying the same thing he is saying, but explaining the opposite side of the coin.
... just thought you might need to know that.
Bottom line- this poll sucks and the thread should be locked for the aforementioned reasons of being poorly worded and demonstratively argumentative.

[Ziptied]

any of you who voted cobra are idiots and have no road racing experience.

[Elbow]

any of you who voted cobra are idiots and have no road racing experience.

Funny, I've been road racing since I was 5 in karts and have never quit, and I say Cobra AROUND a track.

What road race experience do you have btw?

[Ziptied]

NASA racing since 26, PCA racing since 15, SCCA Solo 2 Racing since 14, HPDE Instructor for 3 years, Road Atlanta instructor for 2 years, need I continue? The cobra sucks compared to the s2k, these arent go karts kid, these are real cars.

[Logan]

lol, owned.

[Elbow]

NASA racing since 26, PCA racing since 15, SCCA Solo 2 Racing since 14, HPDE Instructor for 3 years, Road Atlanta instructor for 2 years, need I continue? The cobra sucks compared to the s2k, these arent go karts kid, these are real cars.

Yeah continue, I have to know you, I started NASA at 16, SCCA club at 16 (ITC), karting at 5, Solo 2 at 15, PCA, instructing, testing, etc. WTF is a Road Atlanta instructor?? I work there, what do you instruct? :???: lol

[JITB]

Fuck yall ive been playing Gran Turismo since i was in the 7th grade, GT2 when i was 15, and GT3 when i was 17... and even played Sega GT on Dreamcast @ 17. And been playing forza since Day 1....

and the S2k..never touched the cobra...

[Elbow]

Fuck yall ive been playing Gran Turismo since i was in the 7th grade, GT2 when i was 15, and GT3 when i was 17... and even played Sega GT on Dreamcast @ 17. And been playing forza since Day 1....

and the S2k..never touched the cobra...

I ran Gran Turismo too, quit though, competition was too tough and it was too hard on my body. I had to stay WAYYY too fit.

[Big Baller]

any of you who voted cobra are idiots and have no road racing experience.

You don't want to play the pedigree game on here there are 4 or 5 people including myself that trump that little resume you just posted.

While the S2k might pull more Gs on the skidpad it won't cut anywhere near the lap times a cobra will.

[Big Baller]

WTF is a Road Atlanta instructor?? I work there, what do you instruct? :???: lol

LOL thats funny, thats one of those bullshit lines I get from everyone who wants to be someone. I'm a Road Atlanta Instructor....

[Ziptied]

This was years ago, I instructed at RA for PCA. Before most of you were driving.

[Ziptied]

And this thread is 'what will handle better' not 'what pulls faster times' the s2000 will out handle the cobra. Period.

[Elbow]

So you're a liar? Ok.

I asked you, you won't provide your name. You say you quit because of family years ago before I could even drive, but list things above aren't that old...hmmm...

I hate liars.

[Ziptied]

My name is none of your business, I'm not on here to relive glory days, I'm here to shoot the shit with likeminded people. You are the epitomy of a jackass, everyone talks about you behind your back. My accomplishments in life are my concern, I stated my experience, and it stands. I'm not the one trying to make myself sound like something I'm not. That's you.

[JITB]

THREAD
JUST
GOT
REAL
http://images.craveonline.com/article_imgs/Image/bad%20boys%202%20SPLASH.jpg

[Logan]

My name is none of your business, I'm not on here to relive glory days, I'm here to shoot the shit with likeminded people. You are the epitomy of a jackass, everyone talks about you behind your back. My accomplishments in life are my concern, I stated my experience, and it stands. I'm not the one trying to make myself sound like something I'm not. That's you.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ziptied again."

[Elbow]

My name is none of your business, I'm not on here to relive glory days, I'm here to shoot the shit with likeminded people. You are the epitomy of a jackass, everyone talks about you behind your back. My accomplishments in life are my concern, I stated my experience, and it stands. I'm not the one trying to make myself sound like something I'm not. That's you.

LOL you don't know me, or anyone I know. If you really raced you would say your name. I sent you a friendly PM and you get defensive. You stated COMPLETE BULLSHIT facts, that's not experience. You did some track days, watch out, a real driver folks! I say what I do and am, I don't run my mouth, I state the facts. You state bullshit.

No name you're just a lying poser like the rest.

Funny how you "know" me but say I track my red E30..LOL..that's def. a daily driver/toy. It doesn't even have a cage or roll bar.

[StupidBikerBoy]

NASA racing since 26, PCA racing since 15, SCCA Solo 2 Racing since 14, HPDE Instructor for 3 years, Road Atlanta instructor for 2 years, need I continue? The cobra sucks compared to the s2k, these arent go karts kid, these are real cars.

x1000

F stock car (cobra) VS A stock car would be a joke. :lmfao:

Why do these arguments always come between the experience and the "know it alls"?

Any stock cobra that wants me to prove it to them just come to an event in Macon or another Im at. Should be worth a good laugh:rolleyes:

[StupidBikerBoy]

Autocross...compares to NOTHING in the automotive world lol.

then find a better unbiased comparison instead of saying its true because you saw it lol

My last statement still stands

[Elbow]

x1000

F stock car (cobra) VS A stock car would be a joke. :lmfao:

Why do these arguments always come between the experience and the "know it alls"?

Any stock cobra that wants me to prove it to them just come to an event in Macon or another Im at. Should be worth a good laugh:rolleyes:

I'm experienced and have a valid argument. Ziptied is a joke.

You're talking autocross, of course a stock S2K and a stock Cobra, the S2K would win at autocross. We started talking a road course where the Cobra would own. In fact I have seen many Cobras kill S2K's at autocross when slicks become used, on both cars.

You run Middle Region I guess since Macon?

[bdydrpdmazda]

voted

[Elbow]

then find a better unbiased comparison instead of saying its true because you saw it lol

My last statement still stands

Autocross is a TOTALLY different game then road racing, almost nothing can even be transferred over between the two. I always see autocross drivers SUCK at road racing and road racing drivers SUCK at autocross. It's a different mindset.

I said stock for stock autocross the S2K would win, for sure. No doubt in my mind. If slicks are on both cars, it would be a good one. This also depends on the course obviously. If it's tight then the S2K would murder, the Cobra has decent suspension, but power is what would allow it to be quick. I mean Corvettes set the fastest time of the day a LOT. I know totally different car, but they aren't exactly nimble.

I never even really brought up autocross, I was speaking of a road course.

[afwfjustin]

My name is none of your business, I'm not on here to relive glory days, I'm here to shoot the shit with likeminded people. You are the epitomy of a jackass, everyone talks about you behind your back. My accomplishments in life are my concern, I stated my experience, and it stands. I'm not the one trying to make myself sound like something I'm not. That's you.

Where were you 5 or 6 pages ago? lol

I've been saying the SAME things. Simon is a cocky youngster that thinks his dick is 3 feet long and has no regard for how to treat people online.

[Elbow]

Where were you 5 or 6 pages ago? lol

I've been saying the SAME things. Simon is a cocky youngster that thinks his dick is 3 feet long and has no regard for how to treat people online.

How am I cocky? I never said I was better then anyone else, I never said my dick was long, I treat people well when they need to be treated well, you can't base me as a person by how I word my replies online.

[Big Baller]

No one is talking about autocross you fucking douche bags. We were talking about real racing before you showed up with your kiddy parking lot game. Get that shit out of here no one wants to talk about dodging cones in a parking lot. Fucking get a real hobby.

To Ziptied....Thanks for making me 100% sure you are a lying POS

[Elbow]

No one is talking about autocross you fucking douche bags. We were talking about real racing before you showed up with your kiddy parking lot game. Get that shit out of here no one wants to talk about dodging cones in a parking lot. Fucking get a real hobby.

To Ziptied....Thanks for making me 100% sure you are a lying POS

LOL at dodging cones in a parking lot, that's my new name for autocross. Cone dodging.

[Big Baller]

Cone Dodging....Parking Lot Jockeys....they have lots of names....all of them are gay.

I have friends that autocross, they all know how I feel about it. Sadly I did it to when I was 16 to 18, its a dark period in my life which I prefer not to talk about. It tought me nothing but bad habits that were hard to break later

[Elbow]

Cone Dodging....Parking Lot Jockeys....they have lots of names....all of them are gay.

I have friends that autocross, they all know how I feel about it. Sadly I did it to when I was 16 to 18, its a dark period in my life which I prefer not to talk about. It tought me nothing but bad habits that were hard to break later

I did too, then realized how big of a step down it is from karting and went back to REAL track activities.

[SandM]

ok, so awesome argument dick-measuring aside...... what happened between the cobra and the S2K at the Topspeed event? Or did they even make the challenge?

[Elbow]

ok, so awesome argument dick-measuring aside...... what happened between the cobra and the S2K at the Topspeed event? Or did they even make the challenge?

No clue, I own neither lol. I was just trying to help the thread out, I thought two said they would do it. I guess not though.

[Big Baller]

ok, so awesome argument dick-measuring aside...... what happened between the cobra and the S2K at the Topspeed event? Or did they even make the challenge?

It doesn't matter unless you can get the same driver in both cars....I didn't know there was an 03 coming to little talladega. If there is any course where a S2K would have a chance its there and the fastest I've seen a stock one go there is 1:10s, I've personally been 1:09 in a 2000 gt there so I'm sure I can get a Cobra down to a 1:07

[afwfjustin]

No one is talking about autocross you fucking douche bags. We were talking about real racing before you showed up with your kiddy parking lot game. Get that shit out of here no one wants to talk about dodging cones in a parking lot. Fucking get a real hobby.

To Ziptied....Thanks for making me 100% sure you are a lying POS

lol here's another IA douchebag flexing his internet muscles!

This is exactly why everyone on other forums talks about how much douchebaggery is on IA.

[afwfjustin]

I did too, then realized how big of a step down it is from karting and went back to REAL track activities.

lol

[afwfjustin]

How am I cocky? I never said I was better then anyone else, I never said my dick was long, I treat people well when they need to be treated well, you can't base me as a person by how I word my replies online.

How AREN'T you cocky? Am I the retarded one here? Really dude? I mean, look your posts all over this forum. You act like a snobby jackass whenever you can.

And the dick comment was a metaphor. Did you at least graduate college and learn what those are?

Don't bother replying to my posts, either of you. I'm not ever posting in a thread on IA again that isn't about an item for sale or a personal WTB thread.

[Big Baller]

How AREN'T you cocky? Am I the retarded one here? Really dude? I mean, look your posts all over this forum. You act like a snobby jackass whenever you can.

And the dick comment was a metaphor. Did you at least graduate college and learn what those are?

Don't bother replying to my posts, either of you. I'm not ever posting in a thread on IA again that isn't about an item for sale or a personal WTB thread.

Did it take you till college to learn what a metaphor was...

Also it should be "at least graduate from college" not "graduate college"

I am a dick and I don't really care if you don't like it, I've been a dick for a long time....people are used to it if I changed now they wouldn't know what to think.

[300zx1990tt]

350z

[300zx1990tt]

funny how everyone is getting into an internet battle when its obvious the 350z would win

[300zx1990tt]

n00bz

[Elbow]

LOL WTF at 350Z.

[300zx1990tt]

Where in athens do you live, im up here for college

[jhadleyh]

n00bz



retard:blah::blah::blah:

the fucking poll is about a s2k and a cobra not a fucking 350z

[300zx1990tt]

Yes... I was just joking. fucking joke... fucking joke man

[jhadleyh]

Yes... I was just joking. fucking joke... fucking joke man


i know lol...but you have to remember the interwebs is serious business....tell em simon

[Elbow]

Where in athens do you live, im up here for college

Well come out to the next Athens meet, any pics of your car? Maybe I've seen it around.

[300zx1990tt]

I'll post some, I have the chrome silver 350z with rpf1's, and a my tag reads 'NIZZMO'. It is more likely that you have heard me though, my exhaust screams ;p. I have been meaning to check out a car meet up here, ill have to stop thinking about it and actually come sometime

[Elbow]

Yeah come on out! Big fan of RPF1's so...lol.

[300zx1990tt]

whats not to love about rpf1? light and classy, ill let this thread to get back to its excellent topic though.

[Elbow]

They are my top 10 favorite wheels for sure.

Fuck this thread lol.

I set an Athens meet up BTW, I try to set two up a month. It's in the event section. I've been setting them up since 2006 so we have a fun group of people.

[300zx1990tt]

^^^ was just checkin the thread out

[JITB]

I've been a dick for a long time.....

walking talking penis?

[Nemesis]

will someone burn this fucking thread please lol

[Elbow]

will someone burn this fucking thread please lol

I thought it was pretty entertaining myself.

[DoriDori]

Has anyone actually tracked either of these cars??

[DoriDori]

idiot

Don't get upset! You know it's true!!:taun:

[Elbow]

Has anyone actually tracked either of these cars??

Yes...

[Greddypacked]

Honda S2k specs

Base Price $ 32,800
Price As Tested $ 33,290
Engine Type: dual overhead cam aluminum alloy inline 4-cylinder with VTEC variable valve timing
Engine Size: 2.2 liters / 132 cu. in.
Horsepower: 240 @ 7700 rpm Torque (lb-ft) 162 @ 6500 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase / Length: 94.5 in. / 162.2 in.
Curb Weight: 2835 lbs.
Pounds Per Horsepower: 11.8
Fuel Capacity: 13.2 gal.
Fuel Requirement: 91 octane prem unleaded gasoline
Tires f: P215/45 WR17, R: P245/40 WR17 Bridgestone Potenza RE050
Brakes, front/rear: vented disc / solid disc
Suspension, front/rear independent double wishbone with coil springs
Drivetrain front engine, rear-wheel drive

PERFORMANCE
EPA Fuel Economy - miles per gallon city / highway / observed 20 / 25 / 22 0 to 60 mph 5.8 sec

03-04 Cobra Specs

Engine : V8, supercharged, DOHC, front engine RWD
Displacement : 4,601 cc
Valve : 32 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 16 mpg
highway - 22 mpg

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent Multi-link
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs

Horsepower : 390 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 390 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Redline : unknown

Top speed : 155 mph(electronically limited)
0-60 mph : 4.7 sec.
0-¼ mile : 12.7 sec @ 110.1 mph
60-0 braking distance : 116 ft

Curb Weight : 3664 lbs(coupe)
Overall length : 183.5 in.
Wheelbase : 101.3 in.
Overall Width : 73.1 in.
Height : 52.6 in

Just by specs it says the Mustang Cobra would win. Almost one second faster in the 0-60 mph mark. So the majority of people voted were wrong lol.

[SandM]

^I do beleive this is around a track, not down a track... that's just too easy


No clue, I own neither lol. I was just trying to help the thread out, I thought two said they would do it. I guess not though.
well damn..... f'in fail


It doesn't matter unless you can get the same driver in both cars....I didn't know there was an 03 coming to little talladega. If there is any course where a S2K would have a chance its there and the fastest I've seen a stock one go there is 1:10s, I've personally been 1:09 in a 2000 gt there so I'm sure I can get a Cobra down to a 1:07

true, but numbers would have caused a whole big fun argument. what was done to the '00 GT?

[Greddypacked]

^I do beleive this is around a track, not down a track... that's just too easy




True but I say the stang will still win w/ the proper suspension setup and tires.

[SicStang03]

well damn..... f'in fail

He said he doesn't own either... but has driven both :cheers:


I don't care what the damn poll says. The discussion came up when we were in my car and took a turn. I'm 110% sure I would win on any track... autcross is another story but would still be interesting.

We will revive the thread next year with results...

[Big Baller]

^I do beleive this is around a track, not down a track... that's just too easy


well damn..... f'in fail



true, but numbers would have caused a whole big fun argument. what was done to the '00 GT?

At the time it was just Springs and an alignment

[Teg Boy]

cobra

[Shibby]

cobra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lQX3cOAbes
that video is amazingggggg