03 cobra vs. S2k who would handle better around a track.

[DirtyMechanic]

At the time it was just Springs and an alignment
was this on the old trach at little tall because i was around 1:13 and i know i would put lenghts on a '00 GT

[Big Baller]

was this on the old trach at little tall because i was around 1:13 and i know i would put lenghts on a '00 GT

Ill bet you 100 bucks I can get your G35 down to 1:10...maybe 1:09 on decent street tires

[tk4g94]

s2k forsure. Mustangs are lame

[JITB]

^^the nail in the cofin

[DirtyMechanic]

Ill bet you 100 bucks I can get your G35 down to 1:10...maybe 1:09 on decent street tires
no need to take the bet i know i drop it if i pushed through turn 1. but that whole self preservation thing comes up. but i still call BS on the 1:09 1:10 in a otherwise stock 00 GT mustang. when ive seen modified 996 TT run 1:08s. was this on the old track or the new track?

[matthewAPM]

damn you can get a stock cobra down to a 1:07?? Sounds like you should have bought that instead of a STi :lmao:

[DirtyMechanic]

damn you can get a stock cobra down to a 1:07?? Sounds like you should have bought that instead of a STi :lmao:
yeah because the brakes on the mustang are ment for road racing. i know the cobra brakes dont last at all at little tally... like maybe 5 mins a spirited driving. let alone all out. and the GT brakes are smaller...sooo lol:lmfao:

[Nemesis]

Are we all talking about bone stock cars ? I sure hope so, because there are some idiotic comments posted up on this page if we aren't.

[Big Baller]

no need to take the bet i know i drop it if i pushed through turn 1. but that whole self preservation thing comes up. but i still call BS on the 1:09 1:10 in a otherwise stock 00 GT mustang. when ive seen modified 996 TT run 1:08s. was this on the old track or the new track?

Listen JR I've got no dog in this fight so theres no need to call BS....If I said I ran that time then I did. There are plenty of people that have seen me run sub 1:05 and a lot of people on this board saw me run a 1:05 in Dougs STI. I know Little Tally inside out and Backwards and if all someone in a 996tt can run is a 1:08 then they suck and thats all there is to it. When I ran that time in Dougs STI all it had done was a stage 2 flash and some coilovers. If it had of been my car I could have gotten it into the 1:04s. I don't play around and occasionally go to the track like a lot of people here....I basically live there.

As far as brakes go, they only have to be good for one lap.

[MK3Virus]

talk about handle S2000 would be best.

[jdm eg99]

we need 2 stigs an s2k ,and a mustang !

[Fast Shadow]

Handle, as in slalom speed, lateral grip, steering feel, neutral balance? S2000. Fastest around a track? Cobra, it has a huge power difference and its handling isn't bad,. But the question was "handle better", not "win in a race".

[VIP Style]

lol
lol here's another IA douchebag flexing his internet muscles!

This is exactly why everyone on other forums talks about how much douchebaggery is on IA.

[matthewAPM]

Listen JR I've got no dog in this fight so theres no need to call BS....If I said I ran that time then I did. There are plenty of people that have seen me run sub 1:05 and a lot of people on this board saw me run a 1:05 in Dougs STI. I know Little Tally inside out and Backwards and if all someone in a 996tt can run is a 1:08 then they suck and thats all there is to it. When I ran that time in Dougs STI all it had done was a stage 2 flash and some coilovers. If it had of been my car I could have gotten it into the 1:04s. I don't play around and occasionally go to the track like a lot of people here....I basically live there.

As far as brakes go, they only have to be good for one lap.

dont forget 285's. You made double the power and a lot more tire and were only 3 seconds faster. 285>225 anyday

[S2KJD]

jeez y was this thread bumped :blah:

























crap im guilty of it too now :doh:

[Big Baller]

dont forget 285's. You made double the power and a lot more tire and were only 3 seconds faster. 285>225 anyday

LOL...double the power, how much power do you think a stock turbo sti makes. Ill give you the 285s though it did have a lot of grip

[Frög]

I just can't believe this thread is still going.. I leave IA for couple months and I come back to this.. Rice boys comparing a s2k to a cobra! LOL IA is full of rice boys..

[iBeboostin]

I would put my money on the cobra, I just sold my 04 cobra 8 months ago and they DO handle ALOT better than what people give them credit for. Plus the extra power it has over the s2k would just be to much for the s2k, and thats assuming that the cobra isnt pullied. Its hard to find a Terminator with the stock blower pulley now-a-days!

[S2KJD]

YAY! :gay: the thread is still going strong lol!

[SandM]

no more bumps till we get our own track proof

[civic95]

Depends on the track, and the length of the straights. In the turns the S2K should kill the cobra because of it's 50/50 weight distribution. We had a new Mustang GT at one of our S2000 track days, and it couldn't even hang with stock miatas. Not even close. I realize there is a little HP in the GT and Cobra, but HP is not everything. You have to think about HP to weight ratio.

[VIP Style]

LOL, thats what I was thinking! you really cant even compare the two as far as power goes. that cobra is no joke, i dont know why alot of these honda fanboys be sleeping on that ish. cobra > s2k all day.
I just can't believe this thread is still going.. I leave IA for couple months and I come back to this.. Rice boys comparing a s2k to a cobra! LOL IA is full of rice boys..

[DirtyMechanic]

Depends on the track, and the length of the straights. In the turns the S2K should kill the cobra because of it's 50/50 weight distribution. We had a new Mustang GT at one of our S2000 track days, and it couldn't even hang with stock miatas. Not even close. I realize there is a little HP in the GT and Cobra, but HP is not everything. You have to think about HP to weight ratio.
weight distribution means nothing. and your new mustang GT driver was new to the car. you cant compare vehicles with different drivers. unless you compare the vehicle and the driver.

[Elbow]

Weight distribution means nothing? LMFAO WOW....

[DirtyMechanic]

Weight distribution means nothing? LMFAO WOW....
seeing as a s2k has a 50/50 and a 04 cobra has 53/47 and the new mustang has also 50/50. weight distribution is null in this argument.

[man]

seeing as a s2k has a 50/50 and a 04 cobra has 53/47 and the new mustang has also 50/50. weight distribution is null in this argument.

53/47 is not as close to 50/50 as it looks on paper. That said, cobra would win on most tracks.

[DirtyMechanic]

53/47 is not as close to 50/50 as it looks on paper. That said, cobra would win on most tracks.
my G is 53/47 350z are 53/47. they handle just fine. many performance cars are slight nose heavy to help in braking and turning. and when they accelerate weight transfers to the rear getting it to the 50/50 that everyone craves.

[man]

my G is 53/47 350z are 53/47. they handle just fine. many performance cars are slight nose heavy to help in braking and turning. and when they accelerate weight transfers to the rear getting it to the 50/50 that everyone craves.

I'm not saying that front-biased can't handle, but really most performance cars try to have 50/50 with even higher performance cars leaning more towards 40/60 ish. You just don't want too much weight on the front when diving in to a turn, unless you like understeering. :D

2007 PORSCHE 911 GT3: 38/62
Ferrari Enzo: 43.9/56.1
Pagani Zonda: 47/53

you get the idea

BTW where the hell you been man?

[DirtyMechanic]

I'm not saying that front-biased can't handle, but really most performance cars try to have 50/50 with even higher performance cars leaning more towards 40/60 ish. You just don't want too much weight on the front when diving in to a turn, unless you like understeering. :D

2007 PORSCHE 911 GT3: 38/62
Ferrari Enzo: 43.9/56.1
Pagani Zonda: 47/53

you get the idea

BTW where the hell you been man?
ive been the same place i have been. no one calls me anymore. i think Joe is still bitter about me turning him down.:lmfao:

[SandM]

2007 PORSCHE 911 GT3: 38/62
Ferrari Enzo: 43.9/56.1
Pagani Zonda: 47/53


but you're comparing mid/rear engine vehicles to front engine vehicles now

[man]

but you're comparing mid/rear engine vehicles to front engine vehicles now

Woah woah, what? I was just correcting DirtyMechanics statement about most perfomance cars being front-biased

[VIP Style]

lmao it means something definitely, but not absolutely everything. anyways still mustang cobra > weak ass s2k any day.
Weight distribution means nothing? LMFAO WOW....

[Elbow]

Blast from the past?

We know the Cobra is faster, we've decided that, only ricers think otherwise.

[Big Baller]

There are currently 132 idiots on this board

[Nemesis]

There are currently 132 idiots on this board

If you look at the majority of votes.... they all have some sort of Honda chassis code in their name lolololol

[MagicHallucinations]

Cobra......

[5speed]

If you look at the majority of votes.... they all have some sort of Honda chassis code in their name lolololol
Indeed, Cobra all day everyday

[sleeper1979]

I would chose a s2000 over a cobra because the cobra is a sloppy ass car over all so you guys that get affended go drive a cobra then come and tell me the car cant handle its power:tongue1:

[MagicHallucinations]

I would chose a s2000 over a cobra because the cobra is a sloppy ass car over all so you guys that get affended go drive a cobra then come and tell me the car cant handle its power:tongue1:



I don't think it's the car that can't handle the power.

[Nemesis]

I would chose a s2000 over a cobra because the cobra is a sloppy ass car over all so you guys that get affended go drive a cobra then come and tell me the car cant handle its power:tongue1:

OFFENDED. YOU FUCKING RETARD.

[SandM]

OFFENDED. YOU FUCKING RETARD.

c'mon george..... you know mustangs are heavy, sloppy, and underpowered!! :ninja:

[HotSauce]

This question is totally and entirely impossible to answer. An S2k will mongoose the Cobra around an AutoX track. The Cobra will smoke the S2k at Road Atlanta.

Dumb.

[Nemesis]

An S2k will mongoose the Cobra around an AutoX track.

So you're saying when they are put to the test in REAL racing, the Cobra will win.



Awesome. :D

[MachNU]

Cobra = IRS + control arms + strut/springs + full K-member and A-arms = one fucking hell of a corner carver!

Plus more power, better looks and cheaper insurance than a s2k.

[1SikMax]

Cobra.........

But on the one hand if the Cobra even Corbra R is such a dominating car why don't you see them do any time attack series?

[MachNU]

Cobra.........

But on the one hand if the Cobra even Corbra R is such a dominating car why don't you see them do any time attack series?

cobra r is a purpose built track car. but on the same note where talking in general terms, if someone had $100-200k to build a track car, then yeah cobra and s2k are not even in the running!

[Nemesis]

Cobra.........

But on the one hand if the Cobra even Corbra R is such a dominating car why don't you see them do any time attack series?

Because domestics arent as marketable to the young tuner crowd. Not yet anyways. You still see Cobalts and other pocket racers, but generally speaking, the import crowds hate Mustangs even though they would dominate a lot of the actual events they compete in. In my opinion... what do I know though... :thinking:

Time Attacks and Gymkhana's could see a rise in domestics though I think and it would be refreshing to see something other than the typical EVO/WRX/S2K's out there.

[1SikMax]

Yeah, I kind of put my foot in my mouth after that reply. And you are correct. there is a Redline TimeAttack muscle car series......but as you said not as advertised.

Muscle Car Class
1 Julian Mann Team Infidel Corvette 01:50.6
2 John Bender UTI Ford Mustang 01:56.0
http://z.about.com/d/mustangs/1/7/7/N/-/-/DSC_0532.jpg

Two different Classes but,
Unlimited RWD Class
1 Tyler McQuarrie C-West/Brian Crower Honda S2000 01:41.6
Street RWD Class
1 Igor Lyustin Driving Ambition Acura NSX 01:51.4
4 Robert Walker Evasive Motorsports Honda S2000 01:56.5
7 Robert Fuller Evolution Raceworks/RobiSpec BMW 135i 02:00.0
8 Jeff Tyler Berk Technology/KW Suspension BMW 135i 02:00.3
9 Sam Higashi Endless USA Nissan S15 Silvia 02:00.4
10 Pete Tenerillo Honda S2000 02:08.1
11 Joel Perez Honda S2000 02:08.9

Def. curious to see a built up Cobra do one of these events.
Found a ton of Mustang coverage on NASA though.
Mustang NASA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2HSYLjJuxc&feature=channel)


LOL......leaving track in Savanah...Cobra 1 S2000 0
Rolling out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwXhY2US0b0)

[Nemesis]

If you're serious about Mustang Road Racing... Griggs Racing and Agent 47 are the go to people. Whenever I have the money, Griggs will be building up my suspension.

[jmotley]

s2k all day. fuck mustangs, i wanna choke every god damn fucker on the planet with a fuckin mustang. (except for pre-1970 then we cool) :goodjob:

i just hate the cock sucker attitude that comes with em, in my little ass town every cock sucker that has a 05 v6 mustang thinks they're the baddest fucker on the block. pisses me off. :2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up: :2up::2up::2up::2up:

[Nemesis]

s2k all day. fuck mustangs, i wanna choke every god damn fucker on the planet with a fuckin mustang. (except for pre-1970 then we cool) :goodjob:

i just hate the cock sucker attitude that comes with em, in my little ass town every cock sucker that has a 05 v6 mustang thinks they're the baddest fucker on the block. pisses me off. :2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up: :2up::2up::2up::2up:

Shut the fuck up, you're 18 years old, you dont know shit, go drive your little rice rocket off a cliff.


Hows that for a mustang owners attitude?














50% jay kay

[SandM]

Cobra.........

But on the one hand if the Cobra even Corbra R is such a dominating car why don't you see them do any time attack series?

from my understanding, the price and rarity of the Cobra R kind of hamper it's trips to Time Attack series. The only Cobra R that I know the whereabouts of, it just sits in a garage... had a layer of dust on it last time I saw it.

[Elbow]

Yeah, I kind of put my foot in my mouth after that reply. And you are correct. there is a Redline TimeAttack muscle car series......but as you said not as advertised.

Muscle Car Class
1 Julian Mann Team Infidel Corvette 01:50.6
2 John Bender UTI Ford Mustang 01:56.0
http://z.about.com/d/mustangs/1/7/7/N/-/-/DSC_0532.jpg

Two different Classes but,
Unlimited RWD Class
1 Tyler McQuarrie C-West/Brian Crower Honda S2000 01:41.6
Street RWD Class
1 Igor Lyustin Driving Ambition Acura NSX 01:51.4
4 Robert Walker Evasive Motorsports Honda S2000 01:56.5
7 Robert Fuller Evolution Raceworks/RobiSpec BMW 135i 02:00.0
8 Jeff Tyler Berk Technology/KW Suspension BMW 135i 02:00.3
9 Sam Higashi Endless USA Nissan S15 Silvia 02:00.4
10 Pete Tenerillo Honda S2000 02:08.1
11 Joel Perez Honda S2000 02:08.9

Def. curious to see a built up Cobra do one of these events.
Found a ton of Mustang coverage on NASA though.
Mustang NASA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2HSYLjJuxc&feature=channel)


LOL......leaving track in Savanah...Cobra 1 S2000 0
Rolling out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwXhY2US0b0)

That looks like an old Bondurant school car.

As for Mustangs in time attack, you don't see them because time attack is for ricers, time trials is the same thing but less JDM of a name, Mustangs run there as well as numerous road race classes. There are classes even FOR Mustangs.

The stupidity in this thread amazes me.

[1SikMax]

from my understanding, the price and rarity of the Cobra R kind of hamper it's trips to Time Attack series. The only Cobra R that I know the whereabouts of, it just sits in a garage... had a layer of dust on it last time I saw it.


I don't know how it all works but, a car tuner can buy a 40k+ NSX they can defenitely afford this (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=241968725&dealer_id=18144586&car_year=2000&rdm=1265213977289&lastStartYear=1981&model=&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=2000&keywordsfyc=__Q29icmEgUg%2C%2C__&keywordsrep=067111098114097032082&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&awsp=false&search_type=used&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&sownerid=57191048&showZipError=y&make=FORD&keywords_display=Cobra%20R&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=30000&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=29404&advanced=y&end_year=2005&doors=&transmission=&max_price=45000&cardist=228&standard=false). But, I agree with Nemesis about appealing to the younger tuner crowd.

"That looks like an old Bondurant school car. you don't see them because time attack is for ricers, The stupidity in this thread amazes me."
^
LOL, Just sayin!

[SandM]

"2000 SVT Cobra R Born for the RACE Track Attention Collectors, Car Enthusiast, and Investors-- COBRA R #252/291 sold to public out of a total of 300 made--Very RARE and HARD TO FIND"

point 2/2

[On_Her_Face]

Die thread die.

[HypnoToad]

Die thread die.

s2k are faster than vettes round the track:ninja:

[DieselNuts]

The stupidity in this thread amazes me.

this pretty much sums up this entire thread.

[antiv6]

s2k all day. fuck mustangs, i wanna choke every god damn fucker on the planet with a fuckin mustang. (except for pre-1970 then we cool) :goodjob:

i just hate the cock sucker attitude that comes with em, in my little ass town every cock sucker that has a 05 v6 mustang thinks they're the baddest fucker on the block. pisses me off. :2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up::2up: :2up::2up::2up::2up:
they are the baddest on the block if everyone in town drives hondas like you :lmfao:

also this is probably one of the longest threads on here ive seen involving domestics

[On_Her_Face]

they are the baddest on the block if everyone in town drives hondas like you :lmfao:

also this is probably one of the longest threads on here ive seen involving domestics

It's cause HONDUH is the best.

Honda + VTEC + RWD = S2K = Supercar

[SandM]

Die thread die.

it should have died a long time ago, but people seem to want to interject their overstated opinions

[Nemesis]

Fuck, theres 149 people I need to negative rep.

[Elbow]

Fuck, theres 149 people I need to negative rep.

Well I know I voted S2K, because it says which HANDLES better, the S2K is nimble, tiny, solid, it HANDLES better.

However I am on the Cobras side for anything else around a track or whatever else.

[Nemesis]

Well I know I voted S2K, because it says which HANDLES better, the S2K is nimble, tiny, solid, it HANDLES better.



So is an MR2, but are you really telling me that you would have voted the same way if that were an option?

[Elbow]

So is an MR2, but are you really telling me that you would have voted the same way if that were an option?

If what were an option? An MR2? MR2's can be a handful.

[Evil Goat]

The cobra is probably faster around a track, but the s2000 would be more fun.

what planet are you living on?

[Elbow]

what planet are you living on?

Mars.

[jmotley]

fuck this thread

[Elbow]

[QUOTE=Nemesis;38784193]Shut the fuck up, you're 18 years old, you dont know shit, go drive your little rice rocket off a cliff.


Hows that for a mustang owners attitude?





lol, you people take things to seriously, i was bein sarcastic. :gay:

hahaha :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

:lmfao:

Just kidding.

Mustang attitude? Yes, tons of cocky Mustang owners, same for BMW, same for Camaros, same for Supras, same for...oh yeah, all car makes. Look at Honda owners, not only are they cocky they have nothing to be cocky about.

[jmotley]

Mustang attitude? Yes, tons of cocky Mustang owners, same for BMW, same for Camaros, same for Supras, same for...oh yeah, all car makes. Look at Honda owners, not only are they cocky they have nothing to be cocky about.[/QUOTE]

your too right lol. my car blows a fat one performance wise, i just <3 the gas mileage. :goodjob:

but for the "now im gonna be friendly since i got thread pwned" comment...i've always loved domestics cause i grew up going to rod run and stuff, always loved hot rods, rat rods, camaros, mopar shit, but never mustangs. idk what it is..i guess my dad's yenko/holyshitballs green chevy 2(that made ~700whp n/a) just made me hate em haha. :dunno:

[DirtyMechanic]

Well I know I voted S2K, because it says which HANDLES better, the S2K is nimble, tiny, solid, it HANDLES better.

However I am on the Cobras side for anything else around a track or whatever else.
did you fall out of your high chair and hit your head or something. because it seems like we are agreeing on a few to many things lately.:thinking:

[On_Her_Face]

Mustang attitude? Yes, tons of cocky Mustang owners, same for BMW, same for Camaros, same for Supras, same for...oh yeah, all car makes. Look at Honda owners, not only are they cocky they have nothing to be cocky about.

your too right lol. my car blows a fat one performance wise, i just <3 the gas mileage. :goodjob:

but for the "now im gonna be friendly since i got thread pwned" comment...i've always loved domestics cause i grew up going to rod run and stuff, always loved hot rods, rat rods, camaros, mopar shit, but never mustangs. idk what it is..i guess my dad's yenko/holyshitballs green chevy 2(that made ~700whp n/a) just made me hate em haha. :dunno:

Sounds slow.




0% JK.

[jfman]

Sounds slow.




0% JK.


The 03-04 cobra handles surprisingly well. I would track one.

[tmoney11286]

The 03-04 cobra handles surprisingly well. I would track one.
I agree.

[1SICKLEX]

This is not a contest and mind you I love the Cobra. The S2000 is lighter, lower, with lower inertia for one. The car has less mass, its smaller in size.

The Cobra handles fine and would out run it on straights but the S2000 is a blast in handling.

[jhadleyh]

I can't believe this stupid fucking thread is still going

[Elbow]

This is not a contest and mind you I love the Cobra. The S2000 is lighter, lower, with lower inertia for one. The car has less mass, its smaller in size.

The Cobra handles fine and would out run it on straights but the S2000 is a blast in handling.

Right, but the S2000 wouldn't walk away from a Cobra even in turns.

[DirtyMechanic]

die thread die!

[1SICKLEX]

Right, but the S2000 wouldn't walk away from a Cobra even in turns.

"Handled" better...nor faster......