Batlground: Which car should we build next

[Batlground]

Hey everyone,

IF YOU VOTE PLEASE POST WHY YOU MADE THE CHOICE IN THIS THREAD.

So with all of my depriciating assets (cars) getting sold recently we are now looking for a new project car.

We want something that can do all of these things well. I would want at least 1000 hp in the new car. I also would want the best bang for the $$$$$$$$ spent. So getting a Viper ACR and putting twin turbos on it probibly would not be the best bang for the buck. We want big power and not a lot of spool so a 2 liter wont do it. I would say 2.7 liters at a minimum (example: Subaru stroker, lol, 1000 hp in a Subaru :lmfao: ). Just kidding, no 4 cylinders this time, 6 cylinder is the minimum.

Standing mile
Roll on race
Drag race
Time attack
Drift, not totally necessary since we already have 2 drift cars.
Street

[Vteckidd]

R35 Skyline GTR
Nice car but i dont know if i would attempt to do serious mods to it.

R34 Skyline GTR
Played out

C6 Corvette Z06
Gets my vote (played out, sure, but it would be nice to see an import shop build a domestic) and it would finally shut tracy up if you got one :P

2009 CTSV with supercharger
Arent they already supercharged? But why build a Caddy when you can build a vette

GT500 Ford Mustang
hate fords

Viper ACR
played out

Pontiac G8
Love the G8s! gets my vote

Lexus SC300 with 2JZGTE
played out

Lexus ISF
too nice of a car to do anything too
Other: Please explain

[Evil Goat]

caddy or g8....nothing like having 4 doors and making crazy power

i'm gonna vote for the caddy though :goodjob:

[PURP]

G8... just so damn mean looking and full of bad assery... :goodjob:

[Tracy]

Everyone knows my choice :) We would do the CTSV just to have a cool 4 door. We ARE old and all :D

[Frög]

You guys are Batlground.. I associate that shop with Japanese makes.. Not American nor European..

[03RCode]

I want to see a GT500 with a built motor, topped with a 3.4L Whipple.

[Tracy]

You guys are Batlground.. I associate that shop with Japanese makes.. Not American nor European..Once upon a time, people associated us with Supras, then 240's then NO WAI we could build an Evo cuz we are a 240 shop, but built the fastest one around here for a while. We work on Vipers pretty frequently. A mustang here and there. A Lotus from time to time. Sometimes a mustang. Sure it's not what we are known for, but.......

That's the name of this game: Reinvention. Dan is an engineer—a project man. He gets rather bored with the grind. That's when the best things come from him. I am excited even if we don't get a Corvette.

[Black R]

i would like to see an r34 - those are the best imo.

but i voted for the cts-v. nothing pisses ppl off more than a 4dr grey haired lady-mobile raping face around a road course. and then drive back with the AC on. haha

the g8 gxp would be pretty nice to see built also. ;)

[Tracy]

i would like to see an r34 - those are the best imo.

but i voted for the cts-v. nothing pisses ppl off more than a 4dr grey haired lady-mobile raping face around a road course. and then drive back with the AC on. hahaI love that, too! That was my fav about the Evo—A/C, P/S, stereo system, etc. Hello Kitty stickers on a 4 door. Boy, was that a pisser to get walked on by. I miss it actually. I am so glad that Subaru is gone. No offense anyone. I just think it is hideous looking.

[03RCode]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEl2OSv2zsg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_kLW3wVGOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQS0tfD-wg

[Tracy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEl2OSv2zsg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_kLW3wVGOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQS0tfD-wgWhipple. Now that would be a nice change of pace. I wonder how much that is.

[03RCode]

Whipple. Now that would be a nice change of pace. I wonder how much that is.


http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/product.asp?ProdID=1234


That, with supporting mods has made over 950rwhp on an aggressive tune on a basically stock motor :goodjob:

[1MP0RTL0V3R]

i think the z06 would be good and they sound so sexy also

[CMO]

Everyone knows my choice :) We would do the CTSV just to have a cool 4 door. We ARE old and all :D


I'm with Tracy, either the Vette or the CTSV

[NewGen33]

I voted CTS-V because It's not as common to see a built one of those compared to others. Plus I would love to see something line up against Gorillavette. :crazy:

[Tracy]

Dang, CTSV is winning! Uh ohes.

[d993s]

You should build one that gives you head (or tongue in your case) while driving

[quickdodge®]

Reinvention. Dan is an engineer—a project man. He gets rather bored with the grind.

1979 Honda Civic.

Later, QD.

[umairejaz]

CTSV

[Z0_o6]

considered building a fast suv? that's something that hasn't been done to death. something like a tahoe, trailblazer ss, srt8, etc. put like a twin turbo setup in it and wax ass while being able to tow lol. just another idea, ya never know. it would be something that isn't seen very often at all, and everyone would certainly remember a people hauler running 10's if not 9's. im sure it would be possible to put a suspension underneath it to make it handle well also.

as far as what is on the poll i would have to go with the vette or a G8. they are both sexy as hell.

[Crazy Asian]

my car.

Lol CTS V or Corvette would be awesome.

[H1Cblacknight]

I voted other. i wanna see an all wheel drive civic!!! K-powered....turbo. Just use the read diff off a crv and beef up the gear ratios!!!!

[H1Cblacknight]

or maybe a civic with 2 b series. tubro. Saw it before though. License plate was Boosn2

[Arm&hammer]

i accidently voted for the gtr. I hate those.
I'd say get a corvette z06

[greasemunkey]

z06 best bang for the buck your already half way there...even not being an import it demands respect from both sides, great platform all around very sexy car, they did everything right and the feeling of power hits hard from what I hear.

[tdurr]

I voted G8. They look sooo damn good. but i would say G8, ISF(cuz they are just bad as fuck), and the CTSV. in that order.

[Z0_o6]

I voted other. i wanna see an all wheel drive civic!!! K-powered....turbo. Just use the read diff off a crv and beef up the gear ratios!!!!

a civic instead of the cars listed? ummmm. ok? :thinking:

a honda would DEFINITELY be the "reinvention" they are looking for, and of course, the innovation part too.

[drpepper14]

I say other:

We don't see many modified Porsche's around here (at least not documented builds)

Also, I haven't seen much done with an Audi R8 which would be another amazing platform to have fun with.

911 or R8 is my vote

[hondachik]

CTS-V...something different. Screw a Honda this go around IMO.

[91ma70]

i went with the ISF, to me that shit would be hot.

it makes me mad that every time im on that side of town im in the company truck and dont have time to drop in.

[BB1_Luda]

c6z06
or
g8

I've seen some pretty sick c6's before but I haven't seen much of the g8.

My vote still goes to the vette though.

[jR1_kS14]

errr...

every car on that list has already been built to it's full potential right?

except for the GTR? and the G8?

[RL...]

out out of that list the c6 or cts-v

but I think it would be awesome to see a 1000+ whp bmw e39 m5 or 911, the turbo 996 models(my favorite) go for about 40k now which isn't too bad considering they start at 130 or so.

[H1Cblacknight]

Yes the honda would be re invention and innovation. I think it would bring a lot of complexity to the table. All of those cars are already fast. Most of them have been done but not ALL of them! Hell, even Jodan and the guys @ Drift Emporium put Chevy V8s in G35s. I'm stuck on that all wheel drive thing. The corvette has seen every mod out there just about.

[RL...]

CTS-V...something different. Screw a Honda this go around IMO.




thats for damn sure....in fact screw everything japanese because they've all been played out as far as I'm concerned...

[RL...]

Yes the honda would be re invention and innovation. I think it would bring a lot of complexity to the table. All of those cars are already fast. Most of them have been done but not ALL of them! Hell, even Jodan and the guys @ Drift Emporium put Chevy V8s in G35s. I'm stuck on that all wheel drive thing. The corvette has seen every mod out there just about.

If you're referring to the blue g it was def a nissan titan 5.6l motor w/ stillen blower................:ninja:

[H1Cblacknight]

could have swore it was a chevy. My fault! Only saw that bad ass one time!

[pjm10626]

i say the g8 bc you don't see them as much. or an suv would be awesome like said above. both would help bring more attention to domestic vehicles. i know this is importatl but o well. we are in america.
preston

[speedminded]

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246583

[1439/2000]

Foxbody

[Tracy]

I asked Dan for a Foxbody!!!! He said maybe. I wanted a teal one :D

He wants to go with something "new". So, Honda is out. We have thought about the SUV thing, but it's not so great for a fun day at the track.

I think all of the cars seem built to their potential, but maybe that's why Dan is considering these. He wants to try to do something that seems impossible. I'm not sure. I am just guessing based on what I know about him. We shall see. We had been seriously considering the CTSV because he likes what he has researched about the engine and it's a 4 door. We would like to be able to look a little classier when we ride up to the downtown restaurants for once :D Instead of clanking and clanging all over the place in a car with a huge ass wing :P

[quickdodge®]

1979 Honda Civic.

Later, QD.

It's crazy, but this guy's idea just might be it!

Lolol. Later, QD.

[Tracy]

Does sound a little crazy. Too bad it doesn't fit into the new category :(

[quickdodge®]

Does sound a little crazy. Too bad it doesn't fit into the new category :(

I didn't realize there was a "new" category. You didn't specify. Carry on. Later, QD.

[GermanMuscle]

I would say the CTS-V because the Z06 and most of the other cars are done by many other shops, if you all pull of a good CTS-V thats good at just about everything (which im sure you all will), you all will get alot more respect than just doing another GT500 or Z06 like every other shop

[Big Baller]

Viper ACR would be sick.....fuck a skyline

[chorne1787]

g8 for the win haven't seen it done

[Ed]

1994 geo metro.

get 1000 hp out of 3 cylinders.

[Elbow]

From a business viewpoint? New GTR, develop things for it, and R&D.

I'll be the driver for free, and if I don't win, you can have my car. (no joke)

[LokiSays]

G8 all the way!

[speedminded]

From a business viewpoint? New GTR, develop things for it, and R&D.

I'll be the driver for free, and if I don't win, you can have my car. (no joke)lololol! I'm sure they'll appreciate your motivation but how can you justify racing a 1,000 hp car that they would be investing 6 figures into. They get your Miata if you don't win or crash their car? What sanctioning bodies do you have competition licenses with?

[Elbow]

lololol! I'm sure they'll appreciate your motivation but how can you justify racing a 1,000 hp car that they would be investing 6 figures into. They get your Miata if you don't win or crash their car? :thinking:

I will pay for damage, I don't have the Miata anymore lol, I've had 4 cars since that lol. I traded the Miata for a Porsche 914.

[JITB]

Rx8 + 20B = easy 1000hp!

[.:Stirfry:.]

R33 sedan. foe doe

[chnco]

Yellow Supra, Widebody.

Best all around car bitches.

[Tracy]

From a business viewpoint? New GTR, develop things for it, and R&D.

I'll be the driver for free, and if I don't win, you can have my car. (no joke)Thanks for the offer!!!! Considering we have 3 of our own drivers and a moooch or 2 hanging around the shop (ahem Big Baller) we have the driving covered. You could however run a BG sticker on your car and if you win, we'll give you 3 dyno pulls!!! I kid!

Allen, stfu. We sold our Supra for a reason. Played out since 1995.

QD, I mentioned the new part in a post I made in here...but we may also get an older car depending on how this car goes. I been wanting an oooold car.

[speedminded]

Thanks for the offer!!!! Considering we have 3 of our own drivers and a moooch or 2 hanging around the shop (ahem Big Baller) we have the driving covered. You could however run a BG sticker on your car and if you win, we'll give you 3 dyno pulls!!! I kid!

Allen, stfu. We sold our Supra for a reason. Played out since 1995.

QD, I mentioned the new part in a post I made in here...but we may also get an older car depending on how this car goes. I been wanting an oooold car.Build an XLR-V. Twin Turbo 427ci with complete suspension setup. I wish someone would put the XLR front on a vette.


...or ground up build. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NM3ZIscbIw

http://www.superlitecars.com/coupe_spec.html
http://breathlessperformance.com/Superlite/

[Elbow]

Thanks for the offer!!!! Considering we have 3 of our own drivers and a moooch or 2 hanging around the shop (ahem Big Baller) we have the driving covered. You could however run a BG sticker on your car and if you win, we'll give you 3 dyno pulls!!! I kid!

Allen, stfu. We sold our Supra for a reason. Played out since 1995.

QD, I mentioned the new part in a post I made in here...but we may also get an older car depending on how this car goes. I been wanting an oooold car.

:( Dang I would have taken you up on that offer. Any support counts lol. :goodjob:

[Tracy]

:( Dang I would have taken you up on that offer. Any support counts lol. :goodjob:
Well shit we'll give you 3 dyno pulls for a sticker, but how would 3 dyno pulls help? That's just diagnostic.

[Elbow]

Well shit we'll give you 3 dyno pulls for a sticker, but how would 3 dyno pulls help? That's just diagnostic.

Haha I guess it would provide info if mods I do helped?

Like I said, ANYTHING counts.

[Tracy]

Simon, you win an event with our sticker on your car and we'll give you 3 dyno pulls. Must have PROOF. Then we will take it from there. Not low level SCCA. Let me know when you go and we will discuss more.

Jason, Dan is looking at the Ultima and some other kit cars. Be nice if we could afford this: http://www.moslerauto.com

[speedminded]

Haha I guess it would provide info if mods I do helped?

Like I said, ANYTHING counts.Real mods require tuning. You have yet to say what car it is, what software, anything.

[speedminded]

Simon, you win sn event with our sticker on your car and we'll give you 3 dyno pulls. Must have PROOF. Then we will take it from there.

Jason, Dan is looking at the Ultima and some other kit cars. Be nice if we could afford this: http://www.moslerauto.comMmm...I was looking at Mosler late last night to see how their frames are but they're tubular steel just like Factory Five GTM.

I will be making a visit to Mosler soon since they're in Riviera Beach, it's nice that they're fairly local compared to Ultima being in England. An old roommate of mine took a car down to a race shop next door and picked me up a couple Mosler posters while he was there when the MT900 first went into production in '01.

[Tracy]

Looked at Factory 5 too. Too bad all the kit cars are so dang ugly.

[Elbow]

Build a Locost type car but with an INSANE drivetrain.

[speedminded]

Build a Locost type car but with an INSANE drivetrain.Topless and completely uncomfortable. Not on the same level as any of the vehicles they've mentioned.

[2.3 Evo 8]

CTS-V

Nothing like a stout luxury car that sounds mean as hell and has the hp to back it up.

Mini tub the rear and put some decent shoes on it, PLEASE!

[B18c1Turboed]

CTS-V

Nothing like a stout luxury car that sounds mean as hell and has the hp to back it up.

Mini tub the rear and put some decent shoes on it, PLEASE!

Something like this
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=170345

[smoknlegend]

Im voting other and gonna pull a car outta my ass on this one too.

A 91-95 Acura Legend. Reason being: the car could be capable of alot, but needs people with the know how to make it. Seeing your work, it would be a very good platform, that has potential but is often overlooked.

The engine is a 3.2L and can be powerful, stock it moves the heavy car with everything in about 15seconds down the quarter.

I know its a long shot, but i thought Id give it a try.

[speedminded]

Im voting other and gonna pull a car outta my ass on this one too.

A 91-95 Acura Legend. Reason being: the car could be capable of alot, but needs people with the know how to make it. Seeing your work, it would be a very good platform, that has potential but is often overlooked.

The engine is a 3.2L and can be powerful, stock it moves the heavy car with everything in about 15seconds down the quarter.

I know its a long shot, but i thought Id give it a try.LOLOLOLOL! Seriously? A 3,000lb FWD? :lmfao:

You know this is Batlground right? They were running 9's nearly a decade ago on street tires.

[Alan®]

R35 Skyline GTR
Nice car but i dont know if i would attempt to do serious mods to it.
That and why bother building a car that will already make you look like Michael Schumacher?


R34 Skyline GTR
Played out
Couldn't agree more.


C6 Corvette Z06
Gets my vote (played out, sure, but it would be nice to see an import shop build a domestic) and it would finally shut tracy up if you got one :P
Doesn't get my vote. Car already has power,more than an enough info on how to make power, etc, etc, honestly its simply too easy.


2009 CTSV with supercharger
Arent they already supercharged? But why build a Caddy when you can build a vette
Why build a vette when you could build a Caddy? I still think this one's too easy as well.


GT500 Ford Mustang
hate fords
Don't necessarily hate but still think this is too easy as well


Viper ACR
played out
That and too easy lol


Pontiac G8
Love the G8s! gets my vote
Depends on which version but also gets mine.


Lexus SC300 with 2JZGTE
played out
Agreed


Lexus ISF
too nice of a car to do anything too

ISF gets my first vote/choice. Not a lot of people have gotten serious power out of these things and this would be a great opportunity for Batlground to show its capabilties as fabricator and researcher.

[quickdodge®]

QD, I mentioned the new part in a post I made in here...but we may also get an older car depending on how this car goes. I been wanting an oooold car.

You said "new project car."

I'm just messing with you, though. You know that. Good luck. Later, QD.

[HypnoToad]

i say buy my camaro and put a turbo LSx w/ T56 in it =]

but id deff say go for the vette out of the list.

[smoknlegend]

LOLOLOLOL! Seriously? A 3,000lb FWD? :lmfao:

You know this is Batlground right? They were running 9's nearly a decade ago on street tires.

Ya 3k with interior. Thats why i threw it from outta my ass!

They offered an other, I replied. No harm done.

And the engine has potential..........only a few have tried.

They wanted something different......its different alright. I just get tired of seeing the same builds and buzz over cars that have been built before. I mean I dont see anything really unique in their list of cars in the poll. And because of their past, i figured they would want a challenge.

I mean while a legend hasnt been made rwd, the engine has been used in a few RWD conversions (while mainly on civics.) Was worth a shot.

[redrumracer]

id say c6 is best bang for buck

[Tracy]

Thank God! C6 is winning finally :D

[JDMJAYDC2]

I said ctsV but I would rather see you guys do a stsV I think that would be a lil more sleeper

[Dr.G35]

i say r33 or something not ordinarily seen/done.

[ranger250x]

Voted other .... being a ford guy ...... lincoln MKVIII
pros: N/A cobra engine(4.6 DOHC)
RWD
Excellent sleeper
Looks (some like it.....
Cons: Rear Suspension(dont see it being to much of a problem for btlgrnd)
Transmission(easy fix)
Aftermarket support
Looks ....and some dont)

[Vteckidd]

I like to think I know dan decently from the small time I worked with him. I can't see him buying a $70000-90000 car and putting that kind of money in it to make 1000 whp. I mean this isn't an evo or a 240.

But then again I suppose the supra back in 99-00 was not a cheap car either but even brand new it was $40000.

These cars are a whole different price range and not as friendly to mods IMO (price wise)

but maybe he's bored and this is the challenge something you guys have never done.

Either way I know it will be nasty. I still vote for the vette personally

[greasemunkey]

4g63t awd dodge colt, not hard to do and its like having a civic hatchback with a s13 silvia front end and turbo!! haha

[greasemunkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTwOcIeK3SA&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL-JGBSSty8 <local ga shop. seen the car in person, had a snapped rear axle from the strip he said. I think :thinking:

[TIGERJC]

Build
Hyundai genesis
or
Evo X

and develop parts for those cars

[Vteckidd]

Build
Hyundai genesis
or
Evo X

and develop parts for those cars
Evo x I think that ship has sailed.

Genesis is a risk right now market won't be big for 2 years

[Tracy]

Did we read the 6 cyl or more requirement? :)

[Jenson]

I voted CTS-V2 cuz they are just ballin, stock luxo runnin 11's is just amazing. Thats a much higher end market compared to what ya'll do now I guess, or atleast the perception. The next more logical step would be the 5th gen Camaro and work your way into the LSx community. Those high end GM owners mostly go to tried and true shops that they have been using since they owned their LT1's or longer.

From all the cars on the list it seems you want to move up the ladder though from current builds which is good since your customers will probably be moving up as well. If it was my shop, I'd build a 10' Camaro. Of all the cars on the list, the C6Z and GT500 have the most potential for customers. The G8 will probably become something along the lines of the old Turbo buick's and could still potentially come back as a chevy (I dont care what Lutz says).

[Sammich]

MAXIMA...:ninja:

[Tracy]

I voted CTS-V2 cuz they are just ballin, stock luxo runnin 11's is just amazing. Thats a much higher end market compared to what ya'll do now I guess, or atleast the perception. The next more logical step would be the 5th gen Camaro and work your way into the LSx community. Those high end GM owners mostly go to tried and true shops that they have been using since they owned their LT1's or longer.

From all the cars on the list it seems you want to move up the ladder though from current builds which is good since your customers will probably be moving up as well. If it was my shop, I'd build a 10' Camaro. Of all the cars on the list, the C6Z and GT500 have the most potential for customers. The G8 will probably become something along the lines of the old Turbo buick's and could still potentially come back as a chevy (I dont care what Lutz says).

Bingo. We are almost in our mid 30's. I would love to have a clientele that appreciates Dan's experience as an REAL EDUCATED ENGINEER. He's not some kid who build cars in the back of his parents house or with his parents money. He is a car BUILDER and unfortunately most of our current clientele doesn't showcase that. He just seems like a run of the mill tuner to be compared with places like Killswitch and Mainstream (no offense to their credentials they just aren't engineers). This was all cool when we first started when we were street racing 20 somethings, but I have to be honest, I left because of all of the whiners who don't understand this.

[Vteckidd]

10 Camaro, that would be baller

[Tracy]

10 Camaro, that would be baller
We should have added that to the poll. We were actually considering it. I think it looks so bad ass.

[Vteckidd]

yeah it is pretty good looking and i think if you did work to that you could kinda capture the domestic crowd eyes.

And its very reasonably priced .

I have a feeling not only are you doing this for you, you are doing it for the business. Of course this is JUST MY OPINION, but id rather have a $30,000-60000 (Vette, Camaro, G8) car to build then some overcomplicated $70000-90000 car.

werd

[Tracy]

yeah it is pretty good looking and i think if you did work to that you could kinda capture the domestic crowd eyes.

And its very reasonably priced .

I have a feeling not only are you doing this for you, you are doing it for the business. Of course this is JUST MY OPINION, but id rather have a $30,000-60000 (Vette, Camaro, G8) car to build then some overcomplicated $70000-90000 car.

werdYea, that's why Dan mentioned bang for the buck. The R35 is awesome to the fan boys, but way expensive. The Viper ACR is amazing just as it is, but probably too much for us unless we find a flood or crashed.

[greasemunkey]

we forgot 6cyl requirement...

[Tracy]

we forgot 6cyl requirement...Then you are all fired from the consulting team dang it!!!!!!

[southside]

Camaro or the new 09 stang would be hot fire

[southside]

Then you are all fired from the consulting team dang it!!!!!!lmao was too lazy to read in that cash do a maxima!

[atlxpat]

datsun 240/280z with a ls1 !!!!

[atlxpat]

double post

[speedminded]

Bingo. We are almost in our mid 30's. I would love to have a clientele that appreciates Dan's experience as an REAL EDUCATED ENGINEER. He's not some kid who build cars in the back of his parents house or with his parents money. He is a car BUILDER and unfortunately most of our current clientele doesn't showcase that. He just seems like a run of the mill tuner to be compared with places like Killswitch and Mainstream (no offense to their credentials they just aren't engineers). This was all cool when we first started when we were street racing 20 somethings, but I have to be honest, I left because of all of the whiners who don't understand this.So you want to step your game up, something like Underground Racing in Charlotte? http://www.undergroundracing.com/ Specializing in twin turbo and supercharged Vipers, Lamborghini's, and Ford GT's...

[Tracy]

So you want to step your game up, something like Underground Racing in Charlotte? http://www.undergroundracing.com/ Specializing in twin turbo and supercharged Vipers, Lamborghini's, and Ford GT's...GAH! I hate flash intro websites! Takes too long to load and TERRIBLE for SEO purposes (even though it's pretty cool that you can paint your car and honk your horn on this site)...but yes, just like them. Stepping the game up.

[BKgen®]

Z06

[Tracy]

Z06reps for joo

[AirMax95]

I voted G8, but also say a Z06. Both cars seem to have a younger and older market.

Hell, do both and show BG's domestic prowess.

[Tracy]

I voted G8, but also say a Z06. Both cars seem to have a younger and older market.

Hell, do both and show BG's domestic prowess.You never know.......... :ninja:

[ejohnson88]

I'd say G8 just since it is a newer car and its a 4 Door... and to give Pontiac credit for doing something right even though they went bankrupt... :D

[AirMax95]

You never know.......... :ninja:


...and an Audi :bump: Please don't make me :cry:

[Tracy]

I don't think we would ever do Audi. Dan doesn't like the maintenance.

[speedminded]

I don't think we would ever do Audi. Dan doesn't like the maintenance.Parts for Audi and VW are ridiculously expensive!

[Tracy]

Parts for Audi and VW are ridiculously expensive!eggggggggggzactly

[speedminded]

Without giving away any secrets, what's your thoughts on the direction you think you should go? Obviously you want to upgrade the clientèle. Have you seen a specific market in Atlanta that you see needs attention?

If I were a middle aged to older gentleman looking to upgrade a CTS-V or Vette who would I go to? MTI Racing? I'm guessing they pretty much have the market cornered in Atlanta and the Southeast when it comes to GM Performance and I don't foresee anything ground breaking happening beyond what they already do...plus that is their sole specialty for 15 years.

Basically, what would you say your "niche" is now and where do you want it to be...1 year, 5 years, 15 years down the road. Batlground has the resources and ability to take it wherever you want.

[Tracy]

Without giving away any secrets, what's your thoughts on the direction you think you should go? Obviously you want to upgrade the clientèle. Have you seen a specific market in Atlanta that you see needs attention?

If I were a middle aged to older gentleman looking to upgrade a CTS-V or Vette who would I go to? MTI Racing? I'm guessing they pretty much have the market cornered in Atlanta and the Southeast when it comes to GM Performance and I don't foresee anything ground breaking happening beyond what they already do...plus that is their sole specialty for 15 years.

Basically, what would you say your "niche" is now and where do you want it to be...1 year, 5 years, 15 years down the road. Batlground has the resources and ability to take it wherever you want.

Hrmmm. That's a lot to type. I'll see if I can sum it up.

In 2000, everyone laughed at Dan when he said he wanted to buy a dyno. They laughed when he said he would teach himself to tune his AEM. They laughed when he said bigger IS NOT necessarily better. They called him a liar when he posted his dyno charts. They said we were running nitrous when we weren't (flattering?). Don't underestimate my baby. He has done what others have laughed at and called impossible more times than I can count. Things that became norm not long after...even when it seems it has been done before.

I was there when he thought his car was broken because the turbo was spooling and we didn't know what that sounded like. He drove it all the way from Miami at 45 mph because we thought something was wrong with it. It really WAS just the turbo spooling. The car was fine. I was there when THAT car made 9xx hp for the first time in TX 1 YEAR later. I was there when THAT car ran 8's 2 years after that.

I couldn't tell you HOW he learned how to build cars. I never saw him research it for a long time. It always seemed natural. His brain just works that way.

I know that our current high end customers love us—even though there aren't a ton of them. I know they appreciate Dan's perspective and they leave us the eff alone when we are working. They never mention that they read their car should make xxx whp with xxxxx mods. I'm not really concerned with who is doing what as far as all of that goes—simply because I know Dan's talents (although I fully understand the need to know your competition. It just doesn't concern me other than for marketing strategy/analysis purposes...oh and shit talking purposes, obviously :D).

Where do I see us in 5 years? Living in Jamaica with barefoot babies :) Living a simple life, loving cars—just like they do. Everything we have is paid for except real estate—even that will be paid off in no time. Until then, I see us doing what we do. Making some noise, pissing some folks off—as usual and as expected.

I see us not only having a talented crew that is tried, tested, true—but still together after almost 8 years. As far as I am concerned, we can build/do anything we want. I'm not sure what that is right now. We are just trying to stay fresh. The only thing we are lacking: A SHIT TON OF MONEY! So, whatever it is, we will have to take it slow and do it right, but in the end—good things happen to good people. I know that for sure. That's what I bank on.

Sappy enough? :D

[CMO]

awww, nice post Tracy!

[greasemunkey]

Then you are all fired from the consulting team dang it!!!!!!the little green things I have require my :2cents: to not be taken lightly!! go vette or go home!

[koukis14]

It will be EXPENSIVE but I would go with a gutted and blown Audi RS4. RS4 minus 1000 lbs with about 600 HP would be oh so sick.

[speedminded]

It will be EXPENSIVE but I would go with a gutted and blown Audi RS4. RS4 minus 1000 lbs with about 600 HP would be oh so sick. RS4 is still nimble enough stock and 600hp will help it get down the road. There are plenty of successful German car builders in the southeast though and highly doubt a field they want to get into.

[koukis14]

4 rotor miata...............that would be interesting.

[speedminded]

4 rotor miata...............that would be interesting.Dan in a miata lol! The purpose of a "shop car" is to draw in business. They built a badass Supra and they got Supra business. They build several badass 240's and they have 240 customers. A 4 rotor would be ridiculously expensive for what you get despite it sounding badass. I highly doubt it would catch on and be desired enough for people to seriously want it. Downing is already in Atlanta anyways...

[Me86Rob]

srsly...build a nasty CST wagon

[Shift_2WIN]

Build a Lexus ISF, do somethin different.....or if u want u can build my car lol :rolleyes:

[b16hatchj]

Datsun with a Twin Turbo something!

[NoRotor]

Kenne Bell LS3 Rx8

[koukis14]

Genesis coupe with the Genesis V8..............."massaged" of course.

[cactusEG]

Lexus SC300 !

[Jenson]

Haha, I just read the stipulations for the car. I thought it was just a car to build to promote the company. I really want to build a texas mile car too!!!! Just dont have money for it.


Obviously the C6/C5 is a very popular choice for that, and would move you up the clientele ladder. As I stated before (I think) Vette owners are sort of finicky. There are alot of new blood vette owners out there that companies like Vengeance have taken advantage of, but there again, they came from building GM products at a top level before they were Vengeance.

But...since you want to do something of an all around car, and the 10' Camaro is probably the hottest thing going right now I stand behind that. If it were my company and that was my goal, I'd build a 10' camamro with and LSx 427 with a big single kit that could be marketed as an upgradable street to race kit. Something like a T76-T88 street kit and a large T6-1xx for the race kit.

I know I know, twins spool faster for the street. Well, one company just last week had an open house with their TT kit for the 10' and offered the first 3 customers free instalation and the first 10 kits at $1500 off. All the other companies ordered their 5th gens last October and there is already a slew of parts for it pertaining to power. Long tubes, cat-backs, CAI, TVS2300 kits, and the aformentioned TT kit. Some suspension mods (like lower control arms to control wheel hop) and a single turbo kit have not been mentioned or developed yet from what I have read. Something like that would also showcase Dan as more of an engineer than just a builder/tuner as well.

You can always purchase a body in white from GM ($7000), LSx block ($2500) and build from there. Only downside is they are not streetable. Every one is up in arms about it being so heavy too, but in reality its around the same weight as the GTO's were. Sorry for the book :cheers: If you need someone to make any CNC parts Im your guy :bump:

[Tracy]

Haha, I just read the stipulations for the car. I thought it was just a car to build to promote the company. I really want to build a texas mile car too!!!! Just dont have money for it.


Obviously the C6/C5 is a very popular choice for that, and would move you up the clientele ladder. As I stated before (I think) Vette owners are sort of finicky. There are alot of new blood vette owners out there that companies like Vengeance have taken advantage of, but there again, they came from building GM products at a top level before they were Vengeance.

But...since you want to do something of an all around car, and the 10' Camaro is probably the hottest thing going right now I stand behind that. If it were my company and that was my goal, I'd build a 10' camamro with and LSx 427 with a big single kit that could be marketed as an upgradable street to race kit. Something like a T76-T88 street kit and a large T6-1xx for the race kit.

I know I know, twins spool faster for the street. Well, one company just last week had an open house with their TT kit for the 10' and offered the first 3 customers free instalation and the first 10 kits at $1500 off. All the other companies ordered their 5th gens last October and there is already a slew of parts for it pertaining to power. Long tubes, cat-backs, CAI, TVS2300 kits, and the aformentioned TT kit. Some suspension mods (like lower control arms to control wheel hop) and a single turbo kit have not been mentioned or developed yet from what I have read. Something like that would also showcase Dan as more of an engineer than just a builder/tuner as well.

You can always purchase a body in white from GM ($7000), LSx block ($2500) and build from there. Only downside is they are not streetable. Every one is up in arms about it being so heavy too, but in reality its around the same weight as the GTO's were. Sorry for the book :cheers: If you need someone to make any CNC parts Im your guy :bump:

Thanks for the post. Great input!!!! We have been talking to a few of these companies about bodies in white, but like you said, you can't street them.

We also aren't afraid of a single turbo!!!! Dan has been saying twin, but if it turns out to be cooler, single, I'm sure he will do it.

Once again thanks for the input. PM me where you work and I might need to take you up on the CNC stuff in general.

[batlbrandon]

Sorry, late to the game. I've been out of town. I voted CTS-V but I do like the Genesis suggestion. I think its time for us to have a V8 shop car. We have been working on them for a while now, wouldn't mind the noteriety for it.

[T.C.]

The Genesis V8 would be a badass shop car

[Barefoot]

anything with a v8 or bigger. tired of seeing all these 4 banger builds.

[DriVaH]

i love a skyline....

[Jenson]

One thing to think about on the Mustang though is the new motor that will be in the 2011. You might be able to get in one of them really early and be one of the first with a TT kit for it. Not to mention it is the lightest of all the new "muscle cars". IDK when it will be released vs your time frame so that might be an invalid argument. Plus if you want in with the GM crowd, a Ford is not the place to start.

[matthewAPM]

C6Z time attack. duh

[speedminded]

Haha, I just read the stipulations for the car. I thought it was just a car to build to promote the company. I really want to build a texas mile car too!!!! Just dont have money for it.


Obviously the C6/C5 is a very popular choice for that, and would move you up the clientele ladder. As I stated before (I think) Vette owners are sort of finicky. There are alot of new blood vette owners out there that companies like Vengeance have taken advantage of, but there again, they came from building GM products at a top level before they were Vengeance.

But...since you want to do something of an all around car, and the 10' Camaro is probably the hottest thing going right now I stand behind that. If it were my company and that was my goal, I'd build a 10' camamro with and LSx 427 with a big single kit that could be marketed as an upgradable street to race kit. Something like a T76-T88 street kit and a large T6-1xx for the race kit.

I know I know, twins spool faster for the street. Well, one company just last week had an open house with their TT kit for the 10' and offered the first 3 customers free instalation and the first 10 kits at $1500 off. All the other companies ordered their 5th gens last October and there is already a slew of parts for it pertaining to power. Long tubes, cat-backs, CAI, TVS2300 kits, and the aformentioned TT kit. Some suspension mods (like lower control arms to control wheel hop) and a single turbo kit have not been mentioned or developed yet from what I have read. Something like that would also showcase Dan as more of an engineer than just a builder/tuner as well.

You can always purchase a body in white from GM ($7000), LSx block ($2500) and build from there. Only downside is they are not streetable. Every one is up in arms about it being so heavy too, but in reality its around the same weight as the GTO's were. Sorry for the book :cheers: If you need someone to make any CNC parts Im your guy :bump:That's what I like to hear, intelligent input with a rational explanation. :goodjob:

Are the "bodies-in-white" strictly forbidden to being titled or could you do some sort of kit-car loop hole?

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/12/chassis_title.jpg

[Tracy]

One thing to think about on the Mustang though is the new motor that will be in the 2011. You might be able to get in one of them really early and be one of the first with a TT kit for it. Not to mention it is the lightest of all the new "muscle cars". IDK when it will be released vs your time frame so that might be an invalid argument. Plus if you want in with the GM crowd, a Ford is not the place to start.

I have a connections at Ford, so I will keep that in mind.

[speedminded]

I have a connections at Ford, so I will keep that in mind.Put a twin turbo 427ci LSx in a 2011 Mustang. That will get you international attention in no time. :boobies:

[batlbrandon]

Well in that case I want to build a Stanger! I grew up bleeding Ford Blue, and I dont even care who drives for Roush in NASCAR just as long as Ford is winning. Yeah I said it, I WATCH NASCAR.

[Tracy]

lol

[Black R]

of course Jenson has the best post in the whole thread, lol. :thumbup:

IMO, if you're doing it to pull in business then maybe a cts-v or new camaro would be the ticket. the g8 gxp would be nice but well there won't be a lot of them being sold next year. :(

but your bread and butter people will be the lsx crowd, imo. not a lot of cts-v owners out there that want to do more than bpu...

[Big Baller]

C6 z06 with a ecotech 4 banger

[jorgen]

I should have voted for the 2009 CTSV with supercharger

[SleepingTalon]

None of the above. All those choices are gay. Dan should build this. No shop has one of these!

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e214/sleepingtalon/OptimusPrime.jpg

[Shift_2WIN]

How about one of these
http://www.modernmustangmuscle.com/images/barricade2.jpg
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/15-transformers-2007-camaro.jpg

[VTECking]

Personally I would love to see battleground build a SC300.

[rollininstyle2004]

If you were looking to get into the Euro game I have an 09 Audi S5 I would offer up. No one has been able to figure out how to do FI on that motor yet...well MTM has for a $40k kit. Perfect car to research on, and an untapped market as of yet.

However since its not a choice, I would go with the CTSV

[Tracy]

We aren't making offers to work on anyone else's cars—that is unless you are willing to pay $89/hr :) then we are all in to research whatever you want :D

We sold ALL of OUR cars and need to buy a new one.

[Jenson]

Im sure there is probably some way around the "body in white" as a kit car loop hole. I dont know exactly how that all works but Im told you can pretty much get away with anything. I know we used to register some Panoz Roadsters as MG's back in the day before they were crash tested and certified. So if you bought an old 3rd-4th gen and then convinced the DMV you upgraded everything on it to be a 5th gen but just left that little section of firewall with the Vin. Sounds like it would work.

Sounds like the stang it is! That new motor plus the new styling should make that car sell better than the Camaro and Challenger combined. Then theirs hints that the Eco-boost V6 will make it in the lineup as well. We too have our blue oval connections, so we have a 2010 coupe and convertible. My wife had an 05 V6 and I have to say the new styling/interior is alot better and more appealing. Couple all that with the return to the solid axle rear end and you have the last true muscle car imo. 400hp and a 3600lb curb weight should put the 2011 stang at the top potentially, Im sure you know what happened back in 99 with those Cobra's. Hopefully that doesnt happen again.

[josh green]

I'd say an all black c6z. Shouldnt take much to show the LS heads that the ZR1 isnt king.... Larger displacement in the z06 and a turbo should take care of the power department. Suspension and brakes shouldnt be THAT hard either. The new ACR viper..... Its a sick machine, the styling and its performance are incredible. The car is king of the ring for christ's sake. But its not going to bring you much business I wouldnt imagine.

[©hris]

Z06.... broaden your customer base. Would also be cool to see you guys out at some NASA events :)

[ueyedgr8tness]

Why is the scooter not on the list?

[rollininstyle2004]

We aren't making offers to work on anyone else's cars—that is unless you are willing to pay $89/hr :) then we are all in to research whatever you want :D

We sold ALL of OUR cars and need to buy a new one.

Sorry it was really late when I posted that, The S5 is essentially for sale. I understand you are going to build a shop owned car. I meant offer it up for you guys to buy since they are hard to come by IF you were looking to get into the euro game. Not offer it up for you to build it then give it back to me. ;)

[kfzemx3]

Lexus ISF

The car is already a show stopper in my book, and well its got a v8... We've seen what American V8s can do, there is no doubting pure American muscle. I wouldn't say that the v8 is uncommon with Japanese automakers, but its not as dominant as it is here on this side of the pond. I'd like to see what this v8 is all about, open it up, dissect it, rebuild it and then put it to the test. Lets see just how well there muscles hold up.

[Tracy]

Sorry it was really late when I posted that, The S5 is essentially for sale. I understand you are going to build a shop owned car. I meant offer it up for you guys to buy since they are hard to come by IF you were looking to get into the euro game. Not offer it up for you to build it then give it back to me. ;)Oh cool :) I wasn't trying to be rude, but you don't know how many pM's I have gotten with the "offer". I felt the need to clear it up after several mentions in this thread in addition to the PM's. :cheers:

[speedminded]

Oh cool :) I wasn't trying to be rude, but you don't know how many pM's I have gotten with the "offer". I felt the need to clear it up after several mentions in this thread in addition to the PM's. :cheers:Yeah Tracy I got this BMW and this engine capable of 700whp, you can put your stickers on it if you turbo it with a GT30R or GT35R. :tongue:

[PRO®]

twin turbo one of these:
http://www.rpmgo.com/images/lexus_is-f_tuning_wald.jpg


twin turbo is-f :D

why? because its awd lexus hotness.

[rickgiblin]

i say rock an isf...

im tired of the bs with the gtr. yes, the 500 is a great ride becasue of the legendary history but i dont believe in what they have made them this go around. the z06 would be cool but once again. they are a dime a dozen in my oppinion with there power, seen them all day long on youtube. the cts-x would be kick ass but also for resale value, the market for that car with 1k hp would be extremly hard to find a buyer for. but once again, great car. the viper... i believe is played out like lambo doors. but now if you were to do say a RAM 1500 SRT-10 would be bad ass... 4 door. put a supercharger or tt's on the truck with a viper motor and maybe even a 2 inch body lift being able to somke vets and shit... that would be extremly impressive to me. but as for my pick the is-f. deffinatly go getter. v8 japanese motor. those have such an amzing look to them but i believe that they are underpowered to the look and sleek styling and interior is unbeatable. plus i think that for resale money, you would be able to stay probibly where you would want to.

[MINI]

Cadillac XLR :goodjob:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Cadillac-XLR-1.jpg

[superboost]

as much as I like the 2010 maro for the amount of notoriety it will gain your shop, the CTS-V will/should win out. They are simply baller-tastic!

A genesis V8 would also be nice, but from a business aspect, you will want a powerful vehicle that will offer drool-worthy appeal, but at the same time, move up your level of clientele. That being said, I'd recommend you do a g37.

ninja edit....I'd also like to add M5 to the list. I'd love to see one of those with forced induction. I think it would bump your clientele up a few notches, retain the ballerific status like the CTS-V and be just exotic enough to be nice.

[skacore]

http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2001/n09/news/800/max/Audi-Quattro.jpg An old school Audi Qauttro would be cool

[Tracy]

Someone just emailed Dan last week to ask if we would trade our Subaru for his CTSV (right after we sold it). God hates us.

[Ruststang]

Lexus IS-F is my vote.

Edit: My work has two across the country right now: :D

[Sinfix_15]

do something against the grain. We've all seen the cars on the list a dozen times over. With the economy the way it is, showcase an affordable car. Also, use a car that will allow you to show off some custom fab. Corvettes Skylines and vipers already have extensive aftermarket support... CREATE something!

Hyundai is trying to break into the sports car world. Theyre cheap, theyre affordable... aftermarket is low... and according to what ive seen in the reviews, this is a well balanced car. I doubt it will produce big HP numbers, but this would give you a chance to be completely original and challenge your fab skills.

http://probaway.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hyundai-genesis-coupe-2010-793431.jpg

[Sinfix_15]

also.... the G8 would serve the same idea... but no offense to you GTO cats out their.. but why showcase a dying brand. Pontiac is on the way out, throw a bone to a company on the way up.

[Tracy]

"Affordable" cars aren't very versatile. That's why :)

[XanRules]

The Genesis Coupe or my 1960 Fiat.

[thegovanator]

Hyundai Genesis- Not alot of them out there, it would be one of the first

[Sinfix_15]

"Affordable" cars aren't very versatile. That's why :)


You can make it whatever you want it to be!! :goodjob:

[MattB]

G8 or ctsv.

[ballistic08]

I vote for the ISF because it hasn't been done yet and I think theres a lot of potential fabrication involved. The CTS-V is a close second, but I think the LSx is too easy to mod. Either way I think yall should do a crazy twin turbo setup that will make people stare when the hoods up, and its sorta bringing the import market to a v8.

[SL33P3R]

I say GS300 :)

[Mdeezy]

G8, new car, havent seen modded, lot of potential, comes in 6 speed, v8, and I'm sure with some good mods you can see a biblical amount of power from it, and build a pretty well rounded car...

[Tracy]

CTSV still winning huh? Nice. We are on the prowl.

[Mdeezy]

c'mon G8..... when do you close the polls or annouce a winner?


will you guys really build the winner of this poll? or just take it into consideration?

[NickW]

I'd say ISF, out of the choices listed b/c it's a nice platform that hasn't been done many times.

IMO, a good project car for a shop is one that as new(er) and hasn't been done 100+ times already. It show's how that shop does things, and it'll also grab more attention then say a R34, that's been done a million times over. There are a few choices listed that fit that criteria, so I'd be happy to see that. Good luck with whatever you do, I'm sure it will be nice.

[Kevykev]

Camry 96 Model

XLE Trim

[Tracy]

c'mon G8..... when do you close the polls or annouce a winner?


will you guys really build the winner of this poll? or just take it into consideration?
We have a broker looking for a C6 or a CTSV right now. We are really considering the poll. Now, we are looking for the right price (Dan is very calculated). We may add the ISF in since it is at the top of the list.

[Kevykev]

Soooo. the Camry will NOT be considered?

[Tracy]

Soooo. the Camry will NOT be considered?Proooooobably not, but thanks for the input :D

[03RCode]

I still say...

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Shelby-GT-500-with-34-few_144561.htm

[Tracy]

That's fat

[jdm_integra]

ill say other 93 mustang coupe with a built 302 and twin turbo the hell out of it

[umairejaz]

996tt

[Tracy]

ill say other 93 mustang coupe with a built 302 and twin turbo the hell out of itI found one. Teal. $3k. Dan wouldn't buy it for me. I begged.

[03RCode]

I found one. Teal. $3k. Dan wouldn't buy it for me. I begged.




Teal coupe = :bow:


http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j311/96lasersnake/MUSTANGS/165263.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa313/alexmomma2006/DSC01427.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/724000-724999/724042_24_full.jpg

[Tracy]

Teal coupe = :bow:


Sick. This one was in mint condition and already slightly modded. Dan never gets me the car I ask for. Usually he says it is too expensive, but he didn't have that excuse this time. Hater.

[03RCode]

Calypso Green foxbody cars are actually pretty rare as well... especially if it was a coupe car. A clean/stock CG coupe will bring $6,000-$7,000 or so all day long.



Plus its mad easy to drop a BBF in one, and who doesn't want a blown 460+CI powerhouse in a ~3,000 lbs platform.

[Tracy]

Calypso Green foxbody cars are actually pretty rare as well... especially if it was a coupe car. A clean/stock CG coupe will bring $6,000-$7,000 or so all day long.



Plus its mad easy to drop a BBF in one, and who doesn't want a blown 460+CI powerhouse in a ~3,000 lbs platform.

Totally different, but I remember my BFF's sister was a stripper in the 90's and she had two 5.0's (the heavy ones) and we thought she was so rich!!!! It's funny that my first love of cars was domestic, first the Stingray Vette then the 5.0 Mustang—and I ended up here somehow. :screwy:

[Atlblkz06]

The C6z would be a fun car - but there are plenty of highly reputed companies with kits for em like LPE, Katech, MTI etc and they've all put money into R&D.

The LSA would be fun to work on and since its basically an LS9 with a few cheaper parts - you should be able to squeeze out the power fairly easily.

However I think a V8 Genesis is the best bet. It has been a highly anticipated car and people are just starting to think about mods. This build will probably give your company the most exposure and the best boost in business.

Good luck!

[Big Baller]

Sick. This one was in mint condition and already slightly modded. Dan never gets me the car I ask for. Usually he says it is too expensive, but he didn't have that excuse this time. Hater.

Send me a link to it I want another coupe

[batlbrandon]

No you want to finish all your "projects" before you do anything else.

[Lurker]

However I think a V8 Genesis is the best bet. It has been a highly anticipated car and people are just starting to think about mods. This build will probably give your company the most exposure and the best boost in business.

Good luck!

I have to agree with this guy. The Genesis is the newest tuner car to hit the market with the littlest amount of performance parts. Currently there are shops fabricating parts, turbo kits, etc...but you can beat them too it and offer competitive parts that perform as good or better.

[Bigt8aford]

I would say try y'alls had at diesel performance, you could easily bring 1000+ out of it. Maybe even stuff a Cummins in a Viper? Bio diesel? Just throwing out some ideas.

[Tracy]

Never thought of diesel. Interesting. I'm sure that's a whole nother beast.

[FreeMyndz]

you guys don't know me...yet...:ninja:

But I choose the IS-F based on the fact that this is a COMPLETELY new engine and a fairly recent platform...

-Factory bad-assery is there
-Would be a nice upgrade to your past cars
-lightning fast paddle shift is something new to play with
-bump the compression a little (maybe leave it the same and fortify it) and throw 15lbs at it thru a rotrex supercharger
-has "new clientele but keep the faithful fans" written all over it

keeps stealth, clean looks, etc. super dope wheels and subtle aero, better suspension, etc...and get rid of the God-awful bumper exhaust tips...lol

Here's a comparo with my favorite car... (not on your list)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaYyabTr7c

[Sunkenkarma]

Go for the Viper >.> you can get it well over 1000hp, and even more torque, the 8.4L is no joke, and its not like you see ACR's everyday.

If I had to vote other, it would be the new challenger, you just cant go wrong with Hemi, and it looks better than the Camaro!

[TSiFTW]

Be the first to pull huge numbers from the 2010 Ford Taurus SHO. Already comes with Twin Turbo V6 and puts out decent numbers.

[Truegiant]

I voted skyline only because of the awd platform. Something with selectable diffs to go from the good ole 2wd to awd in the click of a button.

[speedminded]

Tracy, that 2nd picture of the teal green mustang with the drag radials is coming up as being a suspicious site, google chrome is reporting it to have malicious software embedded...

http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/762/1219/253471.jpg&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US


Be the first to pull huge numbers from the 2010 Ford Taurus SHO. Already comes with Twin Turbo V6 and puts out decent numbers.Newly engineered AWD and only comes in an automatic though. Willing to bet much power over the factory output is going give the transmission some trouble...

[Tracy]

Be the first to pull huge numbers from the 2010 Ford Taurus SHO. Already comes with Twin Turbo V6 and puts out decent numbers.We are talking to Ford about that actually as we speak.

[speedminded]

We are talking to Ford about that actually as we speak.Make it RWD with a manual transmission to compete with the CTS-V?

[Tracy]

Tracy, that 2nd picture of the teal green mustang with the drag radials is coming up as being a suspicious site, google chrome is reporting it to have malicious software embedded...

http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/762/1219/253471.jpg&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US

Newly engineered AWD and only comes in an automatic though. Willing to bet much power over the factory output is going give the transmission some trouble...


Oh ok. Code posted it, so I can't delete it :(

[03RCode]

Oh ok. Code posted it, so I can't delete it :(



Done, replaced with one much sessier anyways.

[speedminded]

Oh ok. Code posted it, so I can't delete it :(ohh nm, sorry I saw your quote, I'm a tard lol! :headslap:

[Tracy]

Deleted mine too. and WAY sexier :)

[speedminded]

Done, replaced with one much sessier anyways.

Deleted mine too. and WAY sexier :)Sweet! Every time I enter this thread I'd get a red screen of death warning me of malicious activitiy. Normally only get that from shady pRon sites lolololol!

[Mdeezy]

I agree... new Taurus would be hot also... great foundation already.... you could be the first to get your hands on it and show the world its potential...

I'm sure many other shops are thinking this also so hopefully you get to get on the ball first if that what you guys end up deciding on

[NoRotor]

What is the purpose of the car? Is this car supposed to just attract attention by being a "look at the awesome custom fab we can do" or is this supposed to be a development mule to make your own in-house kits for a certain type of car? Obviously, it'd be great to have all things, but I think you'd be more successful if you focused your efforts on one concrete objective.

[lovinmydodge]

I say other. I say build a small or mid size truck, Like my 05 Dodge dakota. Drop a hemi in it and twin turbo that ish. strong truck with 1000+. not to mention that its not a bad base model to do something different. A little off the beaten path but none the less. These trucks even with the small v8 are a lot of fun to drive. Just an idea. Nothing that you would normally see.

[ls-r teg]

a v8 sti.....thats all

[Greddypacked]

R35 Timeattack. Well cuz you dont see alot of Skyline's out there on time attack and it would be awesome to have a well built one out there.

[IndianStig]

CTSV

you will take your shop to the next level if you build one of those and enter the car into the Car and Driver battle of modded cars. you will get a sleek design, a badass interior where you could do 4 leather racing seats and not feel out of place, and a zr1 motor

[dimsumboy]

i say do a huge turbo setup on a minivan, i dare ya, i double dog dare ya !!! :taun:

[bdydrpdmazda]

I picked the Viper, it comes with 550hp, it could be a crazy car with some time and money invested in it

[On_Her_Face]

BTW Tracy the CTS-V comes supercharged :D

Haven't facebook stalked you in forever!

[dimsumboy]

dammit i wanna see a 500+ hp minivan... DO IT !!!!!!!!!

[BABY J]

My vote is "OTHER". I say shit like this...

** 3.0 12valve w/a BP s366 turbo
** Motec M800(tuned by Tony Palo@T1 Race Developement)
** stock tranny w/long 5th(.755)and Quiafe diff.
** 679hp&610tq@35psi

192mph in the Texas Mile /
:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f227/prodigy1979/VR6T2.jpg
::
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f227/prodigy1979/TexasMile004.jpg


:::


I'll visit each of the cars in the poll to say why:

SKYLINE: Boooo. Just booo. Okay - so you build this car, you still won't identify w/ 99.9999999999% of your customer demopgraphic. Kool idea - but FAIL (IMO). Skyline is so over.

VETTE: So you coax 1000whp out of a Vette? Kool for IA - sure. But that's a small feat in the Vette world. That's just like saying you have a 700hp Supra. - FAIL. And again, your customer base will fail (on most counts) to identify w/ this chassis being the "new" BG flagship "do all" racer.

CTSV: fits the same category here... making it turn REALLY well would be kool to do - but at the end of the day it's a stock (or forged) block w/ minimal headwork to get 1k out of it w/ the right charger. The only thing that this car (and the Vette) requires is $$ - no thought, no "real" engineering which is what Batlground ENGINEERING should be doing - no?? CTSV falls in w/ the Vette IMO - it's a Zo6 Sedan. :) If you DO a V8, it needs to be something old skool. OLD SKOOL is the only way to go in the v8 community for shop cars sir.
:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/ryanvr4/hrdp_0611_01_z1972_chevy_novaside_a.jpg
:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/ryanvr4/hrdp_0611_02_z1972_chevy_novatwin_s.jpg
:
http://www.yearone.com/yodnn/Portals/1/Images/ban3ut2_535.jpg
:
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u59/MUSIC_MAESTRO/1327tomboldrycharger.jpg


FORD GT500 - I have no comment here really. I just don't like the GT5. I have a notch... and a Stang is Ford's Civic. It's a "google your ET" chassis - it's all been done. Would it be "kool" sure... but nothing spectacular or leading edge IMO.

VIPER - gay. Again. Hop on a Viper forum and post your 1k whp dyno - that thread will be like REEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPOOSSTT. It's an amazing feat... but not in the Viper community. And again, w/ this you miss a great deal of your customer demographic.

The Pontiac G8 has my attention here... for some reason, this can work "depending on the direction you go w/ it". I'd like to see that one. If it's gonna be supercharged though I'll pass. The snail (or 2) would be the thing that makes this idea work for me.

LEXUS: Ummm... no. I think that I speak for most of us old-skool guys when I mention the Lexus idea. We'd much rather the Supra come out of retirement than any of the Lexus's mentioned here. (justmy opinion). If it's gonna have a 2J in it and the car COMES FROM FACTORY w/ a 2J, then do the supra. 2J Lex is nothing special.


HERE IS MY THOUGHTS...


--> BAD ASS e30 sedan - 800hp arena - maybe a 2j in that. Then you got my attention.

--> VW R32 w/ some sick power

--> If you wanna do an American Car, a Buick GN - or fuck that, get an 87 Regal base model and build a Grand National / T-Type / Vette Killer.

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachments/brakes-suspensions-tires-wheels/80545d1250719988-ccw-wheels-dse_09-15-2008_086.jpg

ORRRRRRRRRRR if you got a hard on for LS1s, this has been overdone and redone as well - but will work for performance and identifying w/ your customer base. Cheap to own, cheap to build - easy to make fast.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/ryanvr4/240ZOMFG.jpg


And I'll post this just b/c I like 'em and I can - LOL
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Car%20Features/AWD%20Mini/100_3358.jpg
:
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Car%20Features/AWD%20Mini/100_3357.jpg
:
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Car%20Features/AWD%20Mini/100_3290.jpg

[BABY J]

Oh- sorry I missed this thread. I am gonna go back an read every1s answers now.

[Revmaynard]

You should do a Syclone/Typhoon. :D

[On_Her_Face]

My vote is "OTHER". I say shit like this...

** 3.0 12valve w/a BP s366 turbo
** Motec M800(tuned by Tony Palo@T1 Race Developement)
** stock tranny w/long 5th(.755)and Quiafe diff.
** 679hp&610tq@35psi

192mph in the Texas Mile /
:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f227/prodigy1979/VR6T2.jpg
::
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f227/prodigy1979/TexasMile004.jpg


:::


I'll visit each of the cars in the poll to say why:

SKYLINE: Boooo. Just booo. Okay - so you build this car, you still won't identify w/ 99.9999999999% of your customer demopgraphic. Kool idea - but FAIL (IMO). Skyline is so over.

VETTE: So you coax 1000whp out of a Vette? Kool for IA - sure. But that's a small feat in the Vette world. That's just like saying you have a 700hp Supra. - FAIL. And again, your customer base will fail (on most counts) to identify w/ this chassis being the "new" BG flagship "do all" racer.

CTSV: fits the same category here... making it turn REALLY well would be kool to do - but at the end of the day it's a stock (or forged) block w/ minimal headwork to get 1k out of it w/ the right charger. The only thing that this car (and the Vette) requires is $$ - no thought, no "real" engineering which is what Batlground ENGINEERING should be doing - no?? CTSV falls in w/ the Vette IMO - it's a Zo6 Sedan. :) If you DO a V8, it needs to be something old skool. OLD SKOOL is the only way to go in the v8 community for shop cars sir.
:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/ryanvr4/hrdp_0611_01_z1972_chevy_novaside_a.jpg
:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/ryanvr4/hrdp_0611_02_z1972_chevy_novatwin_s.jpg
:
http://www.yearone.com/yodnn/Portals/1/Images/ban3ut2_535.jpg
:
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u59/MUSIC_MAESTRO/1327tomboldrycharger.jpg


FORD GT500 - I have no comment here really. I just don't like the GT5. I have a notch... and a Stang is Ford's Civic. It's a "google your ET" chassis - it's all been done. Would it be "kool" sure... but nothing spectacular or leading edge IMO.

VIPER - gay. Again. Hop on a Viper forum and post your 1k whp dyno - that thread will be like REEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPOOSSTT. It's an amazing feat... but not in the Viper community. And again, w/ this you miss a great deal of your customer demographic.

The Pontiac G8 has my attention here... for some reason, this can work "depending on the direction you go w/ it". I'd like to see that one. If it's gonna be supercharged though I'll pass. The snail (or 2) would be the thing that makes this idea work for me.

LEXUS: Ummm... no. I think that I speak for most of us old-skool guys when I mention the Lexus idea. We'd much rather the Supra come out of retirement than any of the Lexus's mentioned here. (justmy opinion). If it's gonna have a 2J in it and the car COMES FROM FACTORY w/ a 2J, then do the supra. 2J Lex is nothing special.


HERE IS MY THOUGHTS...


--> BAD ASS e30 sedan - 800hp arena - maybe a 2j in that. Then you got my attention.

--> VW R32 w/ some sick power

--> If you wanna do an American Car, a Buick GN - or fuck that, get an 87 Regal base model and build a Grand National / T-Type / Vette Killer.

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/attachments/brakes-suspensions-tires-wheels/80545d1250719988-ccw-wheels-dse_09-15-2008_086.jpg

ORRRRRRRRRRR if you got a hard on for LS1s, this has been overdone and redone as well - but will work for performance and identifying w/ your customer base. Cheap to own, cheap to build - easy to make fast.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/ryanvr4/240ZOMFG.jpg


And I'll post this just b/c I like 'em and I can - LOL
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Car%20Features/AWD%20Mini/100_3358.jpg
:
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Car%20Features/AWD%20Mini/100_3357.jpg
:
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Jacco%20Willemsen/Car%20Features/AWD%20Mini/100_3290.jpg

I agree with most of this minus Modding the Z06 Corvette, if they could somewhere close to the "record" power for a C6Z Corvette then their business would increase. Modding a C6Z is totally different from modding a C6 or a Zr1. Many TT Z06 still blow up today even with the "best shop" modding them. Hell some Corvette guys just like the N/A power. If Batlground could make the same power as the "best shop" then their business would increase. Corvette guys do not go to just local shops when modding their vehicles. Good post non the less.

[BABY J]

^^ I see where you are going and I agree. IMO a Vette would have to SOOOO sick-nasty in order to be REALLY prevalent and shake and move in ways that hasn't been done already that I'd (as a shop owner) pass on it as my flagship "do-anything" race car. But make no mistake about it... I'd LOVE to see a SERIOUS "do-everything and do it well" Vette. To make it work price-point-wise I'd build a C5 --- but yeah, it COULD work depending how gangsta BG wants to get w/ it. But there are better selections IMO to keep the parking lot full and keep the internet buzz than the Vette.:goodjob:

[On_Her_Face]

^^ I see where you are going and I agree. IMO a Vette would have to SOOOO sick-nasty in order to be REALLY prevalent and shake and move in ways that hasn't been done already that I'd (as a shop owner) pass on it as my flagship "do-anything" race car. But make no mistake about it... I'd LOVE to see a SERIOUS "do-everything and do it well" Vette. To make it work price-point-wise I'd build a C5 --- but yeah, it COULD work depending how gangsta BG wants to get w/ it. But there are better selections IMO to keep the parking lot full and keep the internet buzz than the Vette.:goodjob:

Yes it would be hard to pull off a TT C6Z. Shops are still blowing them up, I read threads about it on CF.com.

[DoriDori]

R34 or R33 GTRs. Atlanta needs a high powered street fighter GTR!! ..........but only if it can somehow be street legal :(

[On_Her_Face]

R34 or R33 GTRs. Atlanta needs a high powered street fighter GTR!! ..........but only if it can somehow be street legal :(

Yeah that is a great idea for all the Skyline customers close by.

[Ziptied]

I voted, might as well take r34 off the list though.

[One_Bad_SHO]

OTHER: 2010 Taurus SHO - AWD, Twin Turbo... first year its been reintroduced after 10 years

[BABY J]

^^ 2010 Sho on shoforum went 12.75 at 108 yesterday. Boost was turned up 4 --> 5 lbs higher than stock. No other mods. Not bad.

[Inv4d3rZ1m]

I meant to select other but..... I would like to see a Rb26 S13... I just got into cars a year ago and Im devoruing knowledge from others..... I am helping on a 2jz s13 build now... i was thinking of doing the same to mine when i get it but i recently found out about the rb26's and like the specs and vids of them in the r34's

[bluuuurr]

ISF would be ballsy

[PRO®]

twin turbo one of these:
http://www.rpmgo.com/images/lexus_is-f_tuning_wald.jpg


twin turbo is-f :D

why? because its awd lexus hotness.

sorry. re-ran across this thread, and had to quote myself, lol.

...and add a picture, lol.

http://www.tremek.com/gallery/data/500/DSC01320.JPG

[PRO®]

^^ 2010 Sho on shoforum went 12.75 at 108 yesterday. Boost was turned up 4 --> 5 lbs higher than stock. No other mods. Not bad.

motor trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/112_0809_2008_lexus_is_f_long_term_arrival/index.html)tested the 2008 lexus is-f at 12.7 @ 112.3. No mods, simply stock. Not bad

...lol;)

[Kevykev]

sex, but batlground will NEVER be on that kind of level lol

What was that man???

Well...not the Flat Black WideBody ISF...That Statement you made....

You should check yourself on that one man.

[OG-Skinny]

Twin Turbo Magnum SRT-8 plz

[batlbrandon]

sex, but batlground will NEVER be on that kind of level lol

No we have never built a car with a widebody on it.:lmfao: Nor have we ever painted a car flat black. Nah we obviously don't know how to do anything on that level, we just been around 9 years now. Building nothing short of the fastest, most reliable cars of ANY shop that has been considered competion for us.


I guess that our S14 that was in the Konig booth @ SEMA was bullshit too. You know the one in the Competion Clutch banner and ads, or the Konig ads, or the Maxxis ads. Oh yeah and it still goes to all the events we can get it to, kicks ass, and still looks pretty. NO WE CANNOT build anything on the level of that IS-F. Who are you? ZIP-TIRED? Bring your "A" game son. You ain't on my level. You ain't even in the building.

[batlbrandon]

You know which one I'm talking about. The one that is everywhere. But in case you forgot or didn't know...

http://batlground.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=5411&fullsize=1

or you can watch the entire build process...

http://batlground.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=181&page=1

[oldcorolla]

WORD.

[Ziptied]

I'd continue, but I'm not allowed to 'bash' sponsors of the site.

[Big Baller]

I'd continue, but I'm not allowed to 'bash' sponsors of the site.

Way to bitch out

[Tracy]

I'd continue, but I'm not allowed to 'bash' sponsors of the site.God you are bitter. I thought that only happened to women. Is this over SS or is this over the reps you begged me for that I finally gave you? Because seriously, I don't even know where the eff you came from and what your problem is, but you deem it necessary to stalk us whenever given the chance. Your obsession is getting kind of weird.

[BABY J]

* grabs popcorn

[alpine_aw11]

I'm still thinkin if you can get a hold of an ACR that would be insane. Overall it's still a fairly simple platform so it wouldn't be too difficult for you guys to throw a snail on it.

[TIGERJC]

BG yall better do it big, b/c TS got a 996 gt2 and it would be nice to see both yall battle on a road course

[Tracy]

BG yall better do it big, b/c TS got a 996 gt2 and it would be nice to see both yall battle on a road courseWe do what we do—not really because of others :) I think we have already done it pretty big as it compares to some of the other shops around here.

Either way, right now Dan is finishing up his 350 with the LS6 (pretty big) and in the meanwhile we are hoping the prices will go down on the Vette or CTSV so we can buy one. 1 big shop project at a time is all we can handle.

[Starrfire]

I like imports, but I love a good 7L v8. corvette z06 it is.

[05IONREDLINE]

Pontiac G8. Want to see a 4 door with crazy numbers!

[BABY J]

I just ran a g8 in Muncie Indiana at Muncie Dragway. W/ the paper plate still (unmodded) it trapped 107mph. I was def impressed.

[Tracy]

Pontiac G8. Want to see a 4 door with crazy numbers!
Dan looooves the G8.

[03RCode]

Dan looooves the G8.



No G8... I say:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6u3lUxwl_o


or...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMu7tG4AJvU

:D

[Tracy]

We won't get a G8. Dan is trying to get his parents to get one. But that sho looks good!

[Glides]

I think you need to build a Boosted 4 runner.....like MY Boosted 4Runner. You can make it mack daddy and then give it back to me. You know, for like a TV show or something. All for friendships sake :)

[SRCRX]

Just a question, not sure if anyone else has asked, since i have not read the only
thing,When is B.G. going to get this new ride??

Sorry if it has been asked, I've checked back in here a few times, and have seen
any updates!!

[JITB]

id like to see BG's hands on a mazda.. a 20B rx8 would begreat on a million levels... or a 20b miata!

i think they scared!