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Being the worlds ugliest car for douche bags trying to make a statement that they have no taste in vehicles and think they are doing the earth justice by driving this POS.... buy a bicycle.
my point was i saw one last week w/ leather seats - i was like :eek: irony!
http://homepage.mac.com/jjh/iblog/C1399737455/E20070305101533/Media/Prius_white.jpg
ISAtlanta300
04-20-2009, 02:00 PM
PS. Most people buy it for the MPG, not to make a statement. I would have killed for one when gas was at $ 4 + LOL
PS. Most people buy it for the MPG, not to make a statement. I would have killed for one when gas was at $ 4 + LOL
buy a jetta diesel isn't a new product :rolleyes:
FlipKing
04-20-2009, 02:02 PM
Or a miata, civic, etc, etc
SL33P3R
04-20-2009, 02:05 PM
My civic got 30MPG, I miss her already
Or a miata, civic, etc, etc
i was thinking TDI but ya any small compact
FlipKing
04-20-2009, 02:06 PM
I'm waiting for it to go back up. I hope not but....
SL33P3R
04-20-2009, 02:07 PM
Yeah, and all the cars Im looking to get are V8's, minus an Evo... Ouch
I'm waiting for it to go back up. I hope not but....
fuck oil prices i bath in crude oil :lmfao:
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Travel/rd_crude_oil_070823_ssh.jpg
SL33P3R
04-20-2009, 02:13 PM
WHAT
buy a jetta diesel isn't a new product :rolleyes:Buying a diesel compact is such a joke it's not even funny. People buy the Prius to save money on gas. Getting a diesel just makes you have to pay more for fuel to get the same MPG that the Prius does on regular gas. That, and a lot of stations don't even swing diesel.
Buying a diesel compact is such a joke it's not even funny. People buy the Prius to save money on gas. Getting a diesel just makes you have to pay more for fuel to get the same MPG that the Prius does on regular gas. That, and a lot of stations don't even swing diesel.
what son do some research - europe has been running diesel forever.
"But," you say, "diesel is more expensive than gasoline." That's true, as of October 12 (http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/), it's about 37 cents higher per gallon than regular gasoline. And diesel motors are more expensive up front. But we have found that diesel's overall fuel efficiency and durability make it a good investment.
To find out how diesel stacks up against gas, we decided to pit the 2006 Volkswagen Jetta (https://www.buyingadvice.com/Volkswagen-Jetta-pricequotes.html) 2.5, which runs on gasoline, against the diesel-powered Jetta TDI. The 2.5 starts at $20,290 (http://config.vw.com/autodata/config/buildModel.asp?HT=&AppID=VCQ&model=jetta&trim=2), MSRP, and comes with a 2.5 liter, five-cylinder engine, with 150 horsepower. The TDI starts at $22,305, and is equipped with a 1.9 liter, four-cylinder engine, that runs at 100 hp. Both models come standard with a manual transmission.
According to Environmental Protection Agency estimates, the 2.5 gets 22 mpg city, while the TDI gets 36. As for highway mileage, the 2.5 gets 30 mpg and the TDI gets 41. Assuming you drive in the city 55 percent of the time and travel the highway 45 percent of the time, you'll get a total of thirteen more miles per gallon with the TDI. In addition, the diesel wins for long trips. The 2.5 can only travel 326 miles per tank, while the TDI can go a whopping 496 miles.
So how does that factor into your gas budget? While it will cost you $4.83 more to fill up the TDI, you'll still save over $300 in fuel per year, assuming you drive 15,000 miles.
But to get any real savings, you have to stay for the long term. It will take a little over six years to make up for the TDI's higher price tag, assuming current gas prices. But fortunately, diesels are great long-term vehicles. It is not unusual to see a diesel last for 400,000 miles or more (http://autorepair.about.com/cs/faqs/l/bl207g.htm). You also won't have to worry about maintaining an electrical starter system, and diesel gas is less corrosive, so your exhaust system will last longer.
Diesels also fare well against hybrids. USA TODAY reporter David Kiley drove a Volkswagen Jetta TDI from Detroit to Washington, D.C. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-06-10-diesel-vs-hybrid_x.htm), then took a Toyota Prius (https://www.buyingadvice.com/Toyota-Prius-pricequotes.html) for the return trip. He found that the Jetta beat the Prius in fuel efficiency, and reported that the Jetta finished the trip on one tank of fuel, while the Prius couldn't.
what son do some research - europe has been running diesel forever.Europe also likes soccer. Doesn't make it a good decision stateside.
Europe also likes soccer. Doesn't make it a good decision stateside.
its football/futbol get it straight :2up:
its football/futbol get it straight :2up: :lmfao:
Brett
04-20-2009, 03:18 PM
Deisel was just as high as gas and higher at one point, so diesel isnt always better also.
87 Turbo II
04-20-2009, 03:58 PM
Deisel was just as high as gas and higher at one point, so diesel isnt always better also.
Yeah but a VW TDI getting 50+ MPG is better than a civic getting 30+ MPG when diesel is the same or slightly higher.
Atlblkz06
04-20-2009, 04:08 PM
The jetta clean diesel was not available when I bought my Camry hybrid. You also have to admit - VW is still recovering its image. Their previous generation had all sorts of electrical issues. Consumers will favor Toyota to VW obviously.
Had the VW been available 1 year earlier, I would have bought it.
Biodiesel FTW!
ISAtlanta300
04-20-2009, 04:09 PM
buy a jetta diesel isn't a new product :rolleyes:
Still won't match the 45/48 mpg..... ;)
You guys need to read below \/
Deisel was just as high as gas and higher at one point, so diesel isnt always better also.
The 2.5 can only travel 326 miles per tank, while the TDI can go a whopping 496 miles.
So how does that factor into your gas budget? While it will cost you $4.83 more to fill up the TDI, you'll still save over $300 in fuel per year, assuming you drive 15,000 miles.
Still won't match the 45/48 mpg..... ;)
Diesels also fare well against hybrids. USA TODAY reporter David Kiley drove a Volkswagen Jetta TDI from Detroit to Washington, D.C. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-06-10-diesel-vs-hybrid_x.htm), then took a Toyota Prius (https://www.buyingadvice.com/Toyota-Prius-pricequotes.html) for the return trip. He found that the Jetta beat the Prius in fuel efficiency, and reported that the Jetta finished the trip on one tank of fuel, while the Prius couldn't.
PS. new TDI are underrated b/c gov regulations won't allow them to state higher numbers - not only better mpg but wai better looking than prius :bump:
jdm-civic
04-20-2009, 04:18 PM
how about everybody just ride scooters.......70mpg. earth friendly FTW!!!!!
how about everybody just ride scooters.......70mpg. earth friendly FTW!!!!!
http://www.the-rocketman.com/images/BUDDY_SCOOTER.jpg
civic95
04-20-2009, 06:25 PM
Diesel was $1 more per gallon than gas this past winter. Might as well drive the car you want, cause even a prius is going to save the average person $200-300 a yr. I'd rather waste that couple hundred, and drive something I like spending all that time in.
green91
04-20-2009, 10:59 PM
The prius are very clean running cars, we get them in the dealer all the time with 50k+ miles and the inside of the exhaust are still clean. No black soot.
My friend got one fully loaded.. Cost her over $30k..
Leather everything, GPS, parking aid, etc.. etc...
1SICKLEX
04-20-2009, 11:43 PM
Being the worlds ugliest car for douche bags trying to make a statement that they have no taste in vehicles and think they are doing the earth justice by driving this POS.... buy a bicycle.
my point was i saw one last week w/ leather seats - i was like :eek: irony!
http://homepage.mac.com/jjh/iblog/C1399737455/E20070305101533/Media/Prius_white.jpg
There are a lot of just as ugly gas only cars.
Oh and I drive a hybrid, with leather...and other things...:D Here it is on the left.
http://i40.tinypic.com/295wtax.jpg
I do 0-60 right over 5 seconds, 13s in the 1/4. When I floor it I'm getting 20 MPG and when I stretch it anywhere from 28-33 MPG. 26 on Average.
It has 340hp and the passing power is insane b/c of the torque from the batteries.
What crazier is its seamless. The only way I can tell what is being used (engine/batteries/both) is looking at the screen. I can drive around up to 20 MPH on battery only, drive-bys ftw lol
Biggest drawbacks? The trunk is small b/c of the rear battery, it weighs 4100 lbs b/c of the batteries and the CVT+ instant power is so fun, its hard to not drive it efficiently.
Not my car below
http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20090131&Category=OPINION03&ArtNo=901310310&Ref=V2
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2009/02/gs450h-580-3.jpg
Prius does not save money! It takes 6 years make the money back from the high initial investment.. Oh and right when you though you were going to save money after 6 years of waiting, you need new batteries which cost a fortune!
What a bad investment..
1SICKLEX
04-20-2009, 11:59 PM
Prius does not save money! It takes 6 years make the money back from the high initial investment.. Oh and right when you though you were going to save money after 6 years of waiting, you need new batteries which cost a fortune!
What a bad investment..
1. Most cars are NOT an investment.
2. It depends on how much you drive. THe more you drive, the more gas you potentially save.
3. It runs cleaner than any other cars around. Less emissions.
The new one gets 50 MPG average. Some people are claiming 60 MPG once they don't speed. That is amazing.
Atlblkz06
04-21-2009, 01:46 AM
how about everybody just ride scooters.......70mpg. earth friendly FTW!!!!!
70MPG maybe, but they still pollute more than a prius because they sorely lack the technology that controlls the combustion in such a way that it reduces pollution.
Its a nightmare to drive behind one of these 50-150cc nasties. My car's exhaust smells 10x cleaner with 50x the engine displacement. and 5x fuel usage.
ISAtlanta300
04-21-2009, 01:38 PM
You guys need to read below \/
The 2.5 can only travel 326 miles per tank, while the TDI can go a whopping 496 miles.
So how does that factor into your gas budget? While it will cost you $4.83 more to fill up the TDI, you'll still save over $300 in fuel per year, assuming you drive 15,000 miles.
Diesels also fare well against hybrids. USA TODAY reporter David Kiley drove a Volkswagen Jetta TDI from Detroit to Washington, D.C. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-06-10-diesel-vs-hybrid_x.htm), then took a Toyota Prius (https://www.buyingadvice.com/Toyota-Prius-pricequotes.html) for the return trip. He found that the Jetta beat the Prius in fuel efficiency, and reported that the Jetta finished the trip on one tank of fuel, while the Prius couldn't.
PS. new TDI are underrated b/c gov regulations won't allow them to state higher numbers - not only better mpg but wai better looking than prius :bump:
But the TDI won't give you a 'tax break' will it? :)
silversol
04-21-2009, 01:40 PM
i miss my vx civic 46 mpg city and around 53mpg hwy
ISAtlanta300
04-21-2009, 01:44 PM
Prius does not save money! It takes 6 years make the money back from the high initial investment.. Oh and right when you though you were going to save money after 6 years of waiting, you need new batteries which cost a fortune!
What a bad investment..
You know that the Prius has an 8 year / 100K miles warranty on the battery?
You can take it in at 7years 11 months or 99,999 miles, and get it replaced at no cost if it fails.
But the TDI won't give you a 'tax break' will it? :)
you wont' need it when you can buy 20+ year old technology - or convert to vegetable oil conversion
1. Most cars are NOT an investment.
2. It depends on how much you drive. THe more you drive, the more gas you potentially save.
3. It runs cleaner than any other cars around. Less emissions.
The new one gets 50 MPG average. Some people are claiming 60 MPG once they don't speed. That is amazing.
1. Not true, the prius is an investment to save money.. You are spending the extra cash to save, but you dont.. It is an investment..
2. Not true again, the batteries life go by hours, the more you drive, the sooner you will need to change those batteries..
3. Not true again.. The prius really isn't all that environmentally friendly.. Disposing the car and the batteries, and considering the negative effects of building the car..
http://blog.leasetrader.com/archive/2007/08/23/Toyotas-Prius-is-Less-Efficient-and-Environmentally-Friendly-than-a.aspx
If you want to save money and help the environment, get a Diesel Jetta..
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/south_park_smug.jpg
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnkkkkkkkkkkkkksssssssss sss!!!!!! :goodjob:
Atlblkz06
04-21-2009, 05:10 PM
I don't think I agree with your there Fro(umlaut)g.
The Prius and other hybrids meet much higher tier emission standards than the average car to begin with. So I believe that a 40mpg hybrid's net output of pollution is lower than that of another car with the same 40mpg.
Batteries: The hybrid system does not drain/recharge the batteries on a full duty cycle. When the hybrid battery is on "Empty" - its actually at 80% capacity. The batteries are shallow drained to improve their longevity and many estimates say they will last 15 years. The same Prius we buy here has a 10 year, 150000 mile warranty in California (and Cali only).
These are NiMH batteries are they are much cleaner and safer than the Nickel Cadmium batteries of the past. Besides the Nickel is easily recycled and can be used to make new batteries. I've heard people bitch about nickel mining etc - but I didnt see any real evidence when I googled it. Even if it is nasty, the nickel can be recycled 100% from old batteries.
However I believe battery technology is in the stone ages right now. With more money going into batteries - I think we will start to see battery capacity grow 2x/weight and volume in the next 5 years.
You know that the Prius has an 8 year / 100K miles warranty on the battery?
You can take it in at 7years 11 months or 99,999 miles, and get it replaced at no cost if it fails.
Yep! the more recent models.. But w/e, the prius is not money well spent.. Seriously, a diesel jetta is the way to go!!
I don't think I agree with your there Fro(umlaut)g.
The Prius and other hybrids meet much higher tier emission standards than the average car to begin with. So I believe that a 40mpg hybrid's net output of pollution is lower than that of another car with the same 40mpg.
Batteries: The hybrid system does not drain/recharge the batteries on a full duty cycle. When the hybrid battery is on "Empty" - its actually at 80% capacity. The batteries are shallow drained to improve their longevity and many estimates say they will last 15 years. The same Prius we buy here has a 10 year, 150000 mile warranty in California (and Cali only).
These are NiMH batteries are they are much cleaner and safer than the Nickel Cadmium batteries of the past. Besides the Nickel is easily recycled and can be used to make new batteries. I've heard people bitch about nickel mining etc - but I didnt see any real evidence when I googled it. Even if it is nasty, the nickel can be recycled 100% from old batteries.
However I believe battery technology is in the stone ages right now. With more money going into batteries - I think we will start to see battery capacity grow 2x/weight and volume in the next 5 years.
Ok, maybe I exaggerated a little, but in the end diesel Jetta > Prius, Yes?
Atlblkz06
04-21-2009, 11:48 PM
Ok, maybe I exaggerated a little, but in the end diesel Jetta > Prius, Yes?
Ja.
It's too bad the Deutchlanders couldn't get those 09 TDIs schneller by a few months or I'd be driving one. Diesel FTW.
Ja.
It's too bad the Deutchlanders couldn't get those 09 TDIs schneller by a few months or I'd be driving one. Diesel FTW.
just get a mkiv or mkv tdi :rolleyes:
ironchef
04-22-2009, 09:09 AM
You know that the Prius has an 8 year / 100K miles warranty on the battery?
You can take it in at 7years 11 months or 99,999 miles, and get it replaced at no cost if it fails.But if it fails at 8 years 1 day or 100,001 miles, you're fucked.
But if it fails at 8 years 1 day or 100,001 miles, you're fucked.
Yup, it cost a fortune! I think it takes 90k miles to start saving money.. LOL
10k miles of little saving, then BOOM new batteries..
Atlblkz06
04-22-2009, 11:08 AM
just get a mkiv or mkv tdi :rolleyes:
The new TDI is worlds apart from the old one. It's meant to take advantage of the new low sulphur diesel and has 140hp/236tq vs 100hp/177tq of the older ones. They also had injector trouble in the old PD ones and VW ended up going back to common rail injection which proved to be more reliable. On top of everything, I'm not gonna touch a pre-2004 VW - seen too many with serious issues.
The new TDI is worlds apart from the old one. It's meant to take advantage of the new low sulphur diesel and has 140hp/236tq vs 100hp/177tq of the older ones. They also had injector trouble in the old PD ones and VW ended up going back to common rail injection which proved to be more reliable. On top of everything, I'm not gonna touch a pre-2004 VW - seen too many with serious issues.
Wow, how are aware of these issues? VW fan? Euro Fan boy?
High Five???? :D
The new TDI is worlds apart from the old one. It's meant to take advantage of the new low sulphur diesel and has 140hp/236tq vs 100hp/177tq of the older ones. They also had injector trouble in the old PD ones and VW ended up going back to common rail injection which proved to be more reliable. On top of everything, I'm not gonna touch a pre-2004 VW - seen too many with serious issues.
yes but 20+k vs under 10k is obviously something to think about; not including the mkiv jetta is by far better looking IMO
Atlblkz06
04-22-2009, 12:00 PM
I'll admit I'm weird - I look at the engine and other stuff first and the "car" later. I thought the LS7 was bad ass and the Z06 kinda came with it lol.
I concur, the MKIV is a better looking car and with a slight drop and a nice set of rims they make great DDs that look killer. I liked the square shapes very much, classic Euro. But it looks like the VW group is now going for curves as a whole.
I'll admit I'm weird - I look at the engine and other stuff first and the "car" later. I thought the LS7 was bad ass and the Z06 kinda came with it lol.
I concur, the MKIV is a better looking car and with a slight drop and a nice set of rims they make great DDs that look killer. I liked the square shapes very much, classic Euro. But it looks like the VW group is now going for curves as a whole.
i've owned every VW make except a MKIII; i had no issues w/ my MKIV jetta and if it was a TDI I would still own it fo sho... but i love my MKV GTI w/ TSI :crazy:
New TDI motor is sick though :goodjob:
ISAtlanta300
04-22-2009, 02:13 PM
But if it fails at 8 years 1 day or 100,001 miles, you're fucked.
Not really, just shell out $8000 which by now you should have saved in gas money.... ;)
Not really, just shell out $8000 which by now you should have saved in gas money.... ;)
Not even.. In conclusion, you never save money..
ISAtlanta300
04-22-2009, 02:27 PM
Not even.. In conclusion, you never save money..
That's a broad statement. It can be applied to everything, even the TDI.
That's a broad statement. It can be applied to everything, even the TDI.
No because you can pick up a TDI now for dirt cheap and has phenomenal MPG..
You cant buy the prius because you like the way it looks, the only reasoning behind it is to save on gas and save the planet.. It doesn't do either..
gtrmonkey
04-22-2009, 03:22 PM
buy a jetta diesel isn't a new product :rolleyes:
WORD. Or a Jaguer TT Desil
1SICKLEX
04-23-2009, 12:03 AM
1. Not true, the prius is an investment to save money.. You are spending the extra cash to save, but you dont.. It is an investment..
2. Not true again, the batteries life go by hours, the more you drive, the sooner you will need to change those batteries..
3. Not true again.. The prius really isn't all that environmentally friendly.. Disposing the car and the batteries, and considering the negative effects of building the car..
http://blog.leasetrader.com/archive/2007/08/23/Toyotas-Prius-is-Less-Efficient-and-Environmentally-Friendly-than-a.aspx
If you want to save money and help the environment, get a Diesel Jetta..
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/south_park_smug.jpg
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnkkkkkkkkkkkkksssssssss sss!!!!!! :goodjob:
Please don't tell me you are one of those diesel nuts stuck to the old way of doing things. Hey I think its great to have a diesel option for consumers but hybrids are cleaner, more efficient for us in America and techno marvels.
1.Your points are biased as NO CAR is an investment, at least nothing anyone of us drive.
2. People have reported battieres going for 200k and 300k miles before needing replacing. Its not like they just run out at 100k automatically.
3. That is some jibberish the diesel fanbois created. EVERY CAR uses a battery :) There is no complete formula to come to that conclusion.
ISAtlanta300
04-23-2009, 01:43 PM
No because you can pick up a TDI now for dirt cheap and has phenomenal MPG..
You cant buy the prius because you like the way it looks, the only reasoning behind it is to save on gas and save the planet.. It doesn't do either..
Guess you haven't seen the inside of a Prius. It's not that bad looking, and not everyone will like the TDI for looks either.
Guess you haven't seen the inside of a Prius. It's not that bad looking, and not everyone will like the TDI for looks either.
please tell me you don't think a Prius is better looking than a TDI Golf/Jetta :lmfao:
Atlblkz06
04-23-2009, 03:01 PM
^^ I second that. The Prius isn't that good - and its a noisy car for being 25k+! Toyota is definitely making good $$ on those while earning an image for themselves.
There is no contest, the TDI OWNS the prius in this department. I think the TDI can hold its own in situations where you'll get laughed at in the Prius.
1SICKLEX
04-23-2009, 10:13 PM
^^ I second that. The Prius isn't that good - and its a noisy car for being 25k+! Toyota is definitely making good $$ on those while earning an image for themselves.
There is no contest, the TDI OWNS the prius in this department. I think the TDI can hold its own in situations where you'll get laughed at in the Prius.
Ridiculous. Have you even been near a Prius? Its quiet! When its at a stop, the engine is not running. Its so quiet blind people got upset b/c they said they cannot hear it and other full mode hybrids coming.
As for making money the Prius was a giant investment and risk. Toyota decided to do it back in the early 1990s, when gas here was under $1. Pretty risky to invest in a "hybrid" when gas was cheap. They forecasted gas would NOT be cheap for much longer.
THe Prius lost them billions until about 2006/2007. They finally broke even and became profitable then.
There is a market for both diesels and hybrids. :)
There is a market for both diesels and hybrids. :)
of course there is b/c the state of California and places like midtown exists :rolleyes:
1SICKLEX
04-23-2009, 11:53 PM
of course there is b/c the state of California and places like midtown exists :rolleyes:
Audis and Infinitis? :D
Audis and Infinitis? :D
Audi's are far from gay and if i was going to buy and suv i would still rather have v10 TDI power over any hybrid VW can produce.
You can't even compare Audi to Priuis or Insight; sorry but those cars are fucking horrible looking and not worth the investment when you can get nicer rides for cheaper w/ more options including MPG.
1SICKLEX
04-24-2009, 12:08 AM
Audi's are far from gay and if i was going to buy and suv i would still rather have v10 TDI power over any hybrid VW can produce.
You can't even compare Audi to Priuis or Insight; sorry but those cars are fucking horrible looking and not worth the investment when you can get nicer rides for cheaper w/ more options including MPG.
I didn't say they were ghey. I am saying ghey people love their Audis/VWs and Infinitis. Nothing wrong with that, just an observation.
I'n not here to convince anyone to love a hybrid :)
ISAtlanta300
04-24-2009, 01:53 PM
please tell me you don't think a Prius is better looking than a TDI Golf/Jetta :lmfao:
Of course it does. Everyone knows Toyota owns Deutsch poop.... lol
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