ls motor =)

[Ferio4ya]

so i'm swapping my old b7 out of my eg Ferio, and dropping a b18a1 in. i got all the harnesses, motor mounts, tranny dizzy ecu axles and all that other good stuff for the obd1 conversion. after the motor is dropped in though, i was wondering how to build this motor to reach around 230 crank hp competely N/A. cheapest and most effective ways possible. recommended brands, bad brands, what is safe and not safe etc. thanks guys! OH and i'm not really willing to sacrafice torque haha

[ash7]

you'll find it hard to squeeze 230NAwhp out of of a b18b building this engine yourself (unless you're a highly skilled machinist with all the proper equipment just chillin at your place :goodjob:)

Stick with name brand bolt on stuff, typically the more expensive, the better. As far as machine work goes, which will be vital to your engines' success, check the sticky in this forum the Vteckidd made. That's a good guide to have money well spent.

-jonathan

[-S Double C-]

why would you need to do a obd1 conversion on a obd1 car :thinking: Youd be better of boosting it. You could make that power level very easily and very safely on around 6-7lbs. And it would last for years.

[juicestang]

you'll find it hard to squeeze 230NAwhp out of of a b18b building this engine yourself (unless you're a highly skilled machinist with all the proper equipment just chillin at your place :goodjob:)


-jonathan

he said crank hp not wheel:goodjob:. which should be about 200whp

[2.25teg]

stroke it long an hard with eagle rods be good start at least

[ash7]

he said crank hp not wheel:goodjob:. which should be about 200whp

which is why I specified "whp" :) - even then, it'd be hard to put that kind of power down (non-vtec) without extensive machine work being performed, regardless of bolt on mods.

He's going to have to bore it out to 84.5mm, use cams with ridiculous duration and lift (not very daily driveable), at least 12:1 compression (probably higher), 1mm oversize his valves, port match everything, and be very picky about which header and intake manifold he goes with. Not to mention the infamous dyno tuning. It's possible, but not for those with small checkbooks and only one mode of transportation.

-jonathan

[jrhatcheh2]

why would you need to do a obd1 conversion on a obd1 car :thinking: Youd be better of boosting it. You could make that power level very easily and very safely on around 6-7lbs. And it would last for years.
the car is obd1 but he said the motor is a b18a which only comes in obd0 therefore he would have to convert the motor to obd1 hope that answers your question

[DC2NR]

get a vtec head.

[xdavidscenex]

just get some 405 cams, do crazy headwork, 12:1 or higher pistons, and alot of tuning.

[xdavidscenex]

get a vtec head.

:gay:

[FasTech]

:gay:


LOL, so when are you going to throw a Vtec head on your Integra?

[xdavidscenex]

LOL, so when are you going to throw a Vtec head on your Integra?

:no: i have an AP1 now. :taun:


Ferio4ya if you need some BC0022 cams, golden eagle cam gears, gsr oil pump or etc...lmk i might sell my stuff. i have a friend thats selling a set of OEM CTR pistons with rings, but im not recommened them on any all motor ls...

[yunglaosta]

gsr tranny

[EmminoDaGreat]

building an all motor ls is a waste of money.

[southside]

gsr trannyb16 FTW!

[yunglaosta]

b16 FTW!


lol either way it goes its good. i say gsr because its gears arent as short as a b16 :goodjob:

[seanrg1116]

^^^^^^^^^

yea a b16 trans means you run out of gear at 120mph. but a gsr trans will get you up to about 135mph.

either introduce a little "juice" or boost it.

[southside]

^^^^^^^^^

yea a b16 trans means you run out of gear at 120mph. but a gsr trans will get you up to about 135mph.

either introduce a little "juice" or boost it.:lmfao: GTFO b16 tranny goes to about 150mph at like 7600.Which is well over 120mph and gsr has to do over 135 if b16 can do 145-150mph:goodjob:

[ash7]

building an all motor ls is a waste of money.
you're correct - IF you're looking for pure HP numbers... some would also say it's a waste of time to build any type Honda engine at all... why modify a car period? But those people have their own opinions. It's all preference... i prefer to NOT have vtec and enjoy every minute of it.

-jonathan

[Captain-Obvious™]

b16 tranny goes to about 150mph

wtf?

my b16 eg gave out at 110 at 8000

and so does decepticon's b20 eg on a b16 tranny


gsr has to do over 135

it does...but not much... I've had this too

[Ferio4ya]

so boosting the ls on 5 to 6 pounds would be ok with stock internals daily driven? or should i get eagle rods and after market pistons?

ALSO, if you guys know anyone selling a VTEC head for a b-series let lmk!

btw, i have a gsr tranny already bolted in =)

[-S Double C-]

so boosting the ls on 5 to 6 pounds would be ok with stock internals daily driven? or should i get eagle rods and after market pistons?

ALSO, if you guys know anyone selling a VTEC head for a b-series let lmk!

btw, i have a gsr tranny already bolted in =)

the guy i got my car from was boosting 8lbs on a tiny t3 turbo for 3 1/2 years before i got it and making 228whp then i got it and upgraded to a 57 trim and turned the boost up to 11lbs and have been making 273whp for around 7 months now. And ive put 30k on my car since ive had it. Compression is still 180 all across the board and doesnt burn oil or smoke one bit.

[yunglaosta]

so boosting the ls on 5 to 6 pounds would be ok with stock internals daily driven? or should i get eagle rods and after market pistons?

ALSO, if you guys know anyone selling a VTEC head for a b-series let lmk!

btw, i have a gsr tranny already bolted in =)


ahhh gsr tranny helps alot lol. well if u boost i think 7 psi would be da limit on stock internals.

[-S Double C-]

im still running the ls tranny on mine i dont think the gsr would improve any.

[yunglaosta]

im still running the ls tranny on mine i dont think the gsr would improve any.

my cousin has a 4 door gsr and put a ls motor in it (idk why lol) and with the gsr tranny made it run a helluva lot better

[-S Double C-]

my cousin has a 4 door gsr and put a ls motor in it (idk why lol) and with the gsr tranny made it run a helluva lot better

for all motor purposes yeah your right but ive ran just as good times at the track as others around the same power level as me but i had a heavier car. Plus i like highway runs, anything below 50mph i spin so i dont need the faster acceleration anyways.

[southside]

wtf?

my b16 eg gave out at 110 at 8000

and so does decepticon's b20 eg on a b16 tranny



it does...but not much... I've had this tooWhat kind of tranny do yall have:lmfao: are you sure you dont still have a govenor enabled.

[southside]

for all motor purposes yeah your right but ive ran just as good times at the track as others around the same power level as me but i had a heavier car. Plus i like highway runs, anything below 50mph i spin so i dont need the faster acceleration anyways.you have a ls and anything under 50mph you spin:thinking: We are talking about all motor right?

[-S Double C-]

you have a ls and anything under 50mph you spin:thinking: We are talking about all motor right?

no im boosted,read the sig lol! I gave up on the all motor theme after i was the first in GA to do the H2B swap. Turbo's top ends are sick and you can acheive the same or more whp with far less money!

[kkiepvvessau]

you're correct - IF you're looking for pure HP numbers... some would also say it's a waste of time to build any type Honda engine at all... why modify a car period? But those people have their own opinions. It's all preference... i prefer to NOT have vtec and enjoy every minute of it.

-jonathan

Liar.............

[RollaAce]

Supercharge it!!
Cheap way to DIY and then u would just need a tune for more. I had 91 civic with b18a1 and couple people told me how they got 217 and 228 whp and i believe that was without a tune.
But to go cheap get JRSC specifically for LS non vtec, use the 7 pound pulley, get injectors one or 2 steps over stock, header, freeflow exhaust. that is for stock setup without having to break your wallet as much as turbo. Key to it would be to be 2 get good deal on the jrsc first then all else will be good to go. This should get u 210 at the crank.
If u want to get the 217 and 228 whp u need the 9 pound pulley and have to have the water mist spray to keep it cool, definitely go 2 steps up on the fuel injectors, cold air intake, need chipped ecu and tune it. With good tune u may squeeze more.
Good luck.

[southside]

Supercharge it!!
Cheap way to DIY and then u would just need a tune for more. I had 91 civic with b18a1 and couple people told me how they got 217 and 228 whp and i believe that was without a tune.
But to go cheap get JRSC specifically for LS non vtec, use the 7 pound pulley, get injectors one or 2 steps over stock, header, freeflow exhaust. that is for stock setup without having to break your wallet as much as turbo. Key to it would be to be 2 get good deal on the jrsc first then all else will be good to go. This should get u 210 at the crank.
If u want to get the 217 and 228 whp u need the 9 pound pulley and have to have the water mist spray to keep it cool, definitely go 2 steps up on the fuel injectors, cold air intake, need chipped ecu and tune it. With good tune u may squeeze more.
Good luck.For the price of a JRSC which I believe is like 2500$ you can build a all motor setup(LS/VTEC) for that price and will run the same times at the track.As a boost application with around the same amount of cash spent,just all depends on what you want to do myself I like all motor better than boost.

[RollaAce]

U can get used ones for around $1000, that's what i would've done.

[Ferio4ya]

thanks for the advice guys! =)

[RollaAce]

the advantage of the supercharger is u would have all the power available through the whole powerband. Also raises the rpm limit by about 1000rpm. It'll keep more power at redline with less dropoff as opposed to stock engine. Power at redline would still be 160+ whp not bad for a lil civic.

[Ferio4ya]

i agree man. PLUS i hear people boostin all damn day. but rarely do i hear about supercharging. maybe i'll give that a try instead. doing research now.

[Ferio4ya]

nah, not supercharging it. lol, i believe i've been convinced to boost. 5 or 6 lbs, stock internals, later down the road i'll get vitara pistons, eagle rods and up the boost. depending though will need a good tune. BUT WAIT. would a VTEC head help any with a boosted motor or would that end up being a waste of money???

ALSO, why would you put take out the gsr motor and drop an ls motor instead??:thinking:

[ash7]

Liar.............

do i even know you? vtec - :gay:


nah, not supercharging it. lol, i believe i've been convinced to boost. 5 or 6 lbs, stock internals, later down the road i'll get vitara pistons, eagle rods and up the boost. depending though will need a good tune. BUT WAIT. would a VTEC head help any with a boosted motor or would that end up being a waste of money???

ALSO, why would you put take out the gsr motor and drop an ls motor instead??:thinking:

1) yes, of course Vtec would help with a boosted engine - a turbo multiplies HP exponentially.

2) you would take out a GSR engine to drop in an LS if you wanted slightly more torque (stock -vs- stock)... again it comes down to preference.
-jonathan

[seanrg1116]

nah, not supercharging it. lol, i believe i've been convinced to boost. 5 or 6 lbs, stock internals, later down the road i'll get vitara pistons, eagle rods and up the boost. depending though will need a good tune. BUT WAIT. would a VTEC head help any with a boosted motor or would that end up being a waste of money???

ALSO, why would you put take out the gsr motor and drop an ls motor instead??:thinking:


vitaras are for the d-series

keep researching kid

[chip P.]

..no..theres an obd0 and an obd1 b18a..

the car is obd1 but he said the motor is a b18a which only comes in obd0 therefore he would have to convert the motor to obd1 hope that answers your question

[Jdm94Coupe]

i got a jdm b18c head (gsr) you can buy......

[Ferio4ya]

i got a jdm b18c head (gsr) you can buy......

how much we talkin? i'm in the process right now of fixing up some things so money is a little issue right now. but definitely interested.

[patrick4588]

you dont need the gsr head if you are going to turbo it.

[Ferio4ya]

you dont need the gsr head if you are going to turbo it.

yeah ok cool:goodjob:..thats what i thought lol:gay:

[yunglaosta]

yeah ok cool:goodjob:..thats what i thought lol:gay:

ls turbo ftw. are u staying all motor or are you going to turbo?

[Ferio4ya]

i'm boosting. its cheaper in the long run anyways.

[EmminoDaGreat]

Its true about preference, but if you are building a motor for turbo, all motor, etc... I personally do not believe a straight ls is the way to go. It CAN make power, but you have to have DEEP pockets.. take for instance ILOVEBOOST's 630hp LS. And I have seen all motor LS's beat GSR's etc.etc... but if you are trying to make some power on a budget, ls is not the way to go.

[yunglaosta]

Its true about preference, but if you are building a motor for turbo, all motor, etc... I personally do not believe a straight ls is the way to go. It CAN make power, but you have to have DEEP pockets.. take for instance ILOVEBOOST's 630hp LS. And I have seen all motor LS's beat GSR's etc.etc... but if you are trying to make some power on a budget, ls is not the way to go.


yeah your right, but i'm guessing he wants to go through with it anyways. i'd say go with the ls if you got deep pockets like emmino said. also if you don't feel like doing a motor swap then just ls turbo

[Ferio4ya]

the ls is already in the 4dr. just trying to hit a goal of about 200whp or close to it by the end of this year. not something super crazy, just a simple goal. this is my first project car, btw.

[ash7]

Its true about preference, but if you are building a motor for turbo, all motor, etc... I personally do not believe a straight ls is the way to go. It CAN make power, but you have to have DEEP pockets.. take for instance ILOVEBOOST's 630hp LS. And I have seen all motor LS's beat GSR's etc.etc... but if you are trying to make some power on a budget, ls is not the way to go.

worth repeating - LS all motor projects can get expensive quick and take considerable thought and planning.

But the finished product is something worth taking a lot of pride in.

-jonathan