since when is nitrous considered N/A?

[collins]

i'm not going to name names, but i've noticed a person or two claiming their ***** to just be n/a at right about 3** whp.... i always thought a nitroused car was no longer considered N/A. am i just retarded?

[TIGERJC]

you're retarded, but if you're spraying that is a form of forced induction

[S II K]

lol

[redrumracer]

ive never considered nitrous a form of FI. FI is when you raise the intake to pressures above atmosphere, something nitrous doesnt do.

[2.3 Evo 8]

My evo is stock. My hood latch is broketed too. <<< Boris voice :)

[SmackedInATL]

ive never considered nitrous a form of FI. FI is when you raise the intake to pressures above atmosphere, something nitrous doesnt do.

Maybe not FI by those standards, but it is definitely a power adder and NOT N/A!!

[bowdown201]

lol whys it so important anyways

[redrumracer]

Maybe not FI by those standards, but it is definitely a power adder and NOT N/A!!
no its a power adder but the motor is still n/a not fi

[redrumracer]

all your really doing is adding more oxygen to create a bigger boom.

[stillaneon]

I hate to ask, but how is forcing something that helps a motor combust down into your intake manifold considered N/A. You are Inducing something by force (Not Oxygen) into the motor...

[Psycho]

If an N/A engine has nitrous, it's still an N/A engine. It just means you're running a combustion additive. It's exactly like redrum said, nitrous doesn't raise the intake pressure. It just raises the oxygen content of the gas in the cylinders.

[Psycho]

all your really doing is adding more oxygen to create a bigger boom.
Damn it, you posted before I could finish writing mine. :2up:

[2.3 Evo 8]

Who cares!

[Psycho]

I hate to ask, but how is forcing something that helps a motor combust down into your intake manifold considered N/A. You are Inducing something by force (Not Oxygen) into the motor...
Redrum has already explained why. By your logic, why would an engine with fuel injectors still be considered N/A?

[stillaneon]

Aspirated would inply air.

I guess I always thought fuel injectors forced fuel into the firing chamber, not the intake manifold.

My bad:goodjob:

[AlliRae]

...depends on ... if you are grudge racing or..... if you are telling the truth :ninja:

[the bullitt]

nitrous almost doubles the cylinder pressure...so its def forcing something.

what do you consider guys running turbo and nitrous?

[Jason..]

LOL




...depends on ... if you are grudge racing or..... if you are telling the truth :ninja:

[collins]

...depends on ... if you are grudge racing or..... if you are telling the truth :ninja:
Bingo ;)

[collins]

So according to these standards I could have a 650whp N/A GTO... Hmmmm...

[Tracy]

Nitrous is a power adder. It does not make the car FI.

[BABY J]

1st you have to break down the term N/A.

By adding nitrous, does your engine continue to aspirate naturally?

And when it breaks --- will broke ass GM pull it into the service bay?

[Tracy]

Nitrous does not force air, it is a cooling component. It also adds more air because nitrous splits into oxygen and nitrogen. The additional oxegyn makes it to where you can add more fuel.

[AlliRae]

So according to these standards I could have a 650whp N/A GTO... Hmmmm...



.... better would be to say you have a (insert gtos stock hp here) stock gto

heheh

[BABY J]

Cooling is a by-product of spraying. Not by design - just an added benefit. But is it REALLY --- hmmm. Ever seen increased oil temps and EGTs on a dyno during a nitrous pull?

(playing devils advocate to get everyones head in the game)

[Tracy]

Cooling is a by-product of spraying. Not by design - just an added benefit. But is it REALLY --- hmmm. Ever seen increased oil temps and EGTs on a dyno during a nitrous pull?

(playing devils advocate to get everyones head in the game)

Either way, it does not "force air" which, by definition, makes a car FORCE inducted. Like I said, in addition to cooling (bi product of the following) it also adds more oxygen to the mix for combustion purposes , which means you can add more fuel.

But I hear ya :)

[2.3 Evo 8]

you're retarded, but if you're spraying that is a form of forced induction

Nitrous is FI? Take notes! You're getting SCHOOLED by Tracy!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_induction

Forced induction can be used to improve the power, efficiency, emissions, or combinations of same, without much extra weight and minimal modifications to the engine architecture. The two most common forms of forced induction are turbochargers and superchargers, which both compress the air entering the cylinders, but use different methods to obtain the requisite power. Functionally, they are much the same. Since only so much power can be had from a given amount of gasoline, the more gasoline can be burned in the cylinder, the more power can be produced. However, simply adding more gas beyond the optimal air/fuel ratio (commonly called "running rich") does nothing for power. An engine can only take in so much when breathing air at atmospheric pressures, since the capacity and number of cylinders is non-variable. Hence, the only way to get more air into the cylinder, and therefore produce more power, is to increase the pressure at the intake.

All we've considered up to now is increased power, so how does forced induction improve emissions or efficiency? One of the primary concerns in internal combustion emissions is a factor called the NOx fraction, or the amount of nitrogen/oxygen compounds the engine produces. High combustion temperatures lead to a lower NOx fraction, and since gasses heat when compressed, the more gas is compressed in a given volume, the hotter it will get, and the lower the NOx fraction will be. Since forced induction increases the amount of gas being compressed, it increases the heat generated when compression occurs. Since colder air is denser, it is most desirable, from a power standpoint, to have cold air coming in, but better from an emissions standpoint if the air is hot. In a perfect world, incoming air would be frigid, and the compression would be high enough to dramatically and rapidly increase cylinder temperatures, reducing emissions significantly.

Two of the commonly used forced induction technologies are turbochargers and superchargers. They differ primarily in the power source for the compressor. There is a difference between forced induction and power adders. A power adder is anything that improves an engine's power output, which does not necessarily mean increasing charge density. Oxidizing technologies such as nitrous oxide injection systems provide improved power, but are not a form of forced induction.





:cheers: Reps to Tracy!

[Tracy]

Nitrous is FI? Take notes! You're getting SCHOOLED by Tracy!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_induction

Forced induction can be used to improve the power, efficiency, emissions, or combinations of same, without much extra weight and minimal modifications to the engine architecture. The two most common forms of forced induction are turbochargers and superchargers, which both compress the air entering the cylinders, but use different methods to obtain the requisite power. Functionally, they are much the same. Since only so much power can be had from a given amount of gasoline, the more gasoline can be burned in the cylinder, the more power can be produced. However, simply adding more gas beyond the optimal air/fuel ratio (commonly called "running rich") does nothing for power. An engine can only take in so much when breathing air at atmospheric pressures, since the capacity and number of cylinders is non-variable. Hence, the only way to get more air into the cylinder, and therefore produce more power, is to increase the pressure at the intake.

All we've considered up to now is increased power, so how does forced induction improve emissions or efficiency? One of the primary concerns in internal combustion emissions is a factor called the NOx fraction, or the amount of nitrogen/oxygen compounds the engine produces. High combustion temperatures lead to a lower NOx fraction, and since gasses heat when compressed, the more gas is compressed in a given volume, the hotter it will get, and the lower the NOx fraction will be. Since forced induction increases the amount of gas being compressed, it increases the heat generated when compression occurs. Since colder air is denser, it is most desirable, from a power standpoint, to have cold air coming in, but better from an emissions standpoint if the air is hot. In a perfect world, incoming air would be frigid, and the compression would be high enough to dramatically and rapidly increase cylinder temperatures, reducing emissions significantly.

Two of the commonly used forced induction technologies are turbochargers and superchargers. They differ primarily in the power source for the compressor. There is a difference between forced induction and power adders. A power adder is anything that improves an engine's power output, which does not necessarily mean increasing charge density. Oxidizing technologies such as nitrous oxide injection systems provide improved power, but are not a form of forced induction.





:cheers: Reps to Tracy!


AWWWW shit! I learnt something in all my years in this game. I guess I can thank all the haters for making me stay up on my game. I never wanted to be just a stupid girl who sits behind the desk, so I sought out information just so I could school our customers.

[2.3 Evo 8]

Forced induction is "compressed air", nitrous is only compressed in the bottle, not compressed during the "spraying process".

[2.3 Evo 8]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Tracy again.


Sorry sweetie, no soup for joo!

[BABY J]

I knew that - that's why I put "playing devils advocate" in my post. :)

[Tracy]

I knew that - that's why I put "playing devils advocate" in my post. :)Pumpkin, You dun know shit. Quit trying to steal my thunder. IAM THE WINNAR! :P

[2.3 Evo 8]

lol

[collins]

For the record, I was not suggesting that nitrous is a means of FORCED induction, for the main reason that it isn't compresing air into the combustion chambers. It being a power adder, however, brought up the question of is that engine still considered to be naturally aspirated?

[BABY J]

Pumpkin, You dun know shit. Quit trying to steal my thunder. IAM THE WINNAR! :P

LMAO @ "pumpkin" !! You STILL remem that? LMAO!! That's a classic inside joke from what - 2004? 2005? LOL.

[Psycho]

what do you consider guys running turbo and nitrous?
Mega-charged:boobies:

[2.3 Evo 8]

For the record, I was not suggesting that nitrous is a means of FORCED induction, for the main reason that it isn't compresing air into the combustion chambers. It being a power adder, however, brought up the question of is that engine still considered to be naturally aspirated?

Yes, it's still N/A. it's just not "stock". :goodjob:

[T.S.]

sweet collins slap a 250 SHOT on that bitch and its still considered n/a and you could pull the Thacker and just claim its stock too! i got a 2 stage 75 shot in my garage you can borrow ;)

[EJ25RUN]

Never.

Anyone that says otherwise hasn't a clue.

[2.3 Evo 8]

Thacker only said his cars were "stock" to piss everybody off, and it worked. It always got under peoples skin when he would say it.

[collins]

Hmmmmm... Scottie has the ways, eh?

[Tracy]

Dude. You can have N/A with power adders.

[SmackedInATL]

Damn this actually turned into an informative thread. Nice job Collins.

[collins]

smacked, that's what I do ;)

[T.S.]

what are you getting into tonight collins??

[collins]

Absolutely no idea... Working right this minute, and have several options for afterward, but not sure what I'm doing yet. What about you?

[Incontt]

mine is n/a till the turbo spools

[2.3 Evo 8]

^^^That made me chuckle. Reps!