huh, the lions want vick?

[VIP Style]

maybe someone knows if this is true or not, but i heard the lions will be pursuing michael vick in the off season. man im pushing for vick after all he has been through, he deserves a second shot. he was not a bad QB, i seen him make some great on the money throws and its not his fault if his weak supporting cast drops the ball. besides its people out there doing far worse things than him. this whole situation was overkill, so i hope he rises above all the haters.

[quickdodge®]

maybe someone knows if this is true or not, but i heard the lions will be pursuing michael vick in the off season. man im pushing for vick after all he has been through, he deserves a second shot. he was not a bad QB, i seen him make some great on the money throws and its not his fault if his weak supporting cast drops the ball. besides its people out there doing far worse things than him. this whole situation was overkill, so i hope he rises above all the haters.

I agree with everything but the "overkill" comment. Later, QD.

[VIP Style]

you dont think 23 months was too harsh for that?
I agree with everything but the "overkill" comment. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

you dont think 23 months was too harsh for that?

More on the lenient side to me. Later, QD.

[Deke]

I'm not one of these people who thinks Vick should be killed because of his actions, but I will say that he deserved every bit of time he served (and then some). I just hope he's learned his lesson and turned his previously garbage life around. To have such a gift of athleticism and then jeopardize it by participating in stupid (and highly fucked up) activities...

Whatever, I'm glad we got Ryan :)

[VIP Style]

yeah im happy for ryan as well, and yeah i dont think dog fighting is cool, because i have seen this this take place out in the country and its crazy. but how much was vick really involved in this, i have not seen any video or photo evidence. but yeah he is paying his debt to society so i think he deserves to come back and earn his living. i cant stand folks who still asking for his head, you know.
I'm not one of these people who thinks Vick should be killed because of his actions, but I will say that he deserved every bit of time he served (and then some). I just hope he's learned his lesson and turned his previously garbage life around. To have such a gift of athleticism and then jeopardize it by participating in stupid (and highly fucked up) activities...

Whatever, I'm glad we got Ryan :)

[quickdodge®]

I'm not one of these people who thinks Vick should be killed because of his actions, but I will say that he deserved every bit of time he served (and then some). I just hope he's learned his lesson and turned his previously garbage life around. To have such a gift of athleticism and then jeopardize it by participating in stupid (and highly fucked up) activities...

Whatever, I'm glad we got Ryan :)

Perfect post! Reps.


but how much was vick really involved in this, i have not seen any video or photo evidence. but yeah he is paying his debt to society so i think he deserves to come back and earn his living. i cant stand folks who still asking for his head, you know.
I agree with this as well. Let him pay his debt and, if he's truly repentant, let him be. But Vick is purely responsible as it was his property. Just like riding in a car with occupants. If your passenger does throws something out the window or is disruptive to an illegal extent, then the driver is ultimately responsible. Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

ive said this all along, he WILL play in the NFL again. Do the falcons still own his contract? if they do, they will try to get top dollar for him i bet.

I cant see him being a QB though, i think hes going to end up as a wide receiver if he fails at his next QB job.

Personally i think he will go play european ball for a season to see if hes still got it. then he will come back to the NFL.

[Vteckidd]

oh and he was an idiot and deserved all this IMO.

He was a MILLIONAIRE, why would you associate yourself with these kind of illegal and inhumane activities.

it was like Allen Iverson getting caught with guns and weed, in his BENTLEY. I mean, how stupid do you have to be to crawl out of the slums and be a millionaire set for life and still tote illegal firearms and drugs.

stupid

[alpine_aw11]

oh and he was an idiot and deserved all this IMO.

He was a MILLIONAIRE, why would you associate yourself with these kind of illegal and inhumane activities.

it was like Allen Iverson getting caught with guns and weed, in his BENTLEY. I mean, how stupid do you have to be to crawl out of the slums and be a millionaire set for life and still tote illegal firearms and drugs.

stupid

You can get out of the hood, but you can't get the hood out of you lol. When someone grows up with that lifestyle it never changes.

And with Vick, the guy got what he deserved plain and simple. I think he should be allowed to return, he really is one of the greatest athletes to play the game. It would be interesting to see him with the new and improved Falcons, but I think Atlanta has definitely moved on for the better. And the Lions wanting him wouldn't surprise me, but they are going to need a lot more than Vick to save their asses. It was terrible to see that happen to him, however it was worse to see that he was dumb enough to involve himself with something so stupid.

[quickdodge®]

but I think Atlanta has definitely moved on for the better.

Damn. You edited it to what I was going to say about your comment, lolol. Later, QD.

[alpine_aw11]

Damn. You edited it to what I was going to say about your comment, lolol. Later, QD.

Can't catch me, I'm too sneaky.

[tony]

Send Calvin Johnson down and they can have Vick.. absolutely.

I think he'll end up with the Raiders though.. in a dream world I wish he would go to Tampa Bay but Atlanta would never allow that.

[Deke]

Send Calvin Johnson down and they can have Vick.. absolutely.


The thought of Matt Ryan connecting with Calvin Johnson makes me happy.

[alpine_aw11]

Send Calvin Johnson down and they can have Vick.. absolutely.

I think he'll end up with the Raiders though.. in a dream world I wish he would go to Tampa Bay but Atlanta would never allow that.

Holy shit....Calvin Johnson on the Falcons would be SICK. White+Johnson+Finneran=win.

[pworld14]

this is no excuse for Vick's actions but if his cousin never violated his probation, the police would never have came to his property that day to get his cousin (next thing you know, the Police are all over the house)

[112480]

this is no excuse for Vick's actions but if his cousin never violated his probation, the police would never have came to his property that day to get his cousin (next thing you know, the Police are all over the house)

This is true and even though dog fighting is wrong, come on!! There are WAYYYY Other worse shit than that!! Only the haters and freaking so called animal saviors prowl on this! Dont get me started on Brady and a certain falcon player! Murderers,Rapists,Kidnappers,Child Molestors etc,etc,etc those people are a REAL problem! but we all KNOW what that whole Vick thing was about anyway now dont we.

Anyway Vick and Calvin Johnson is a much better combo than ryan and Johnson IMO.

[Vteckidd]

if you are trying to say this was racially motivated you are barking up the wrong tree.

You do know this wasnt just about Dog Fighting right? there was illegal gambling too. This was not just 1 incident, this was an ORGANIZED ring of thugs.




JULY 17--NFL star Michael Vick was indicted today on a federal conspiracy charge for his alleged role in a dog fighting venture that operated from a Virginia property owned by the Atlanta Falcons quarterback. A copy of the indictment, filed today in U.S. District Court in Richmond, can be found below. The 27-year-old Vick, whose nickname is listed as "Ookie" in the indictment, allegedly established the Bad Newz Kennels in early-2001 in Smithfield, Virginia. It was this property, for which Vick paid $34,000, that the star athlete and his codefendants used as the "main staging area for housing and training the pit bulls involved in the dog fighting venture and hosting dog fights." According to prosecutors, Vick and his cohorts began purchasing pit bull puppies in late-2001 and would eventually "sponsor" individual dog fights with purses as high as $26,000. In the indictment's most harrowing parts, federal investigators describe what happened to some Bad Newz Kennels dogs that either lost matches or did not perform well in test fights. After a March 2003 loss by a female pit bull, codefendant Purnell Peace, "after consulting with Vick," electrocuted the animal. In April, prosecutors allege, Vick, Peace, and Quanis Phillips, "executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions." These animals, the indictment claims, were killed "by various methods, including hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

[OneSlow5pt0]

i still dont think he should be allowed in the NFL,these guys make top dollar to play a game and be children's role models and heros.........vick set a hella of example for them

all igot to say if he comes back,he better stay away from my Bills and the Falcons

[bigdare23]

if you are trying to say this was racially motivated you are barking up the wrong tree.

You do know this wasnt just about Dog Fighting right? there was illegal gambling too. This was not just 1 incident, this was an ORGANIZED ring of thugs.


Who said anything about race? :rolleyes:

[Verik]

i thought it was an automatic ban from the nfl to participate in any form of illegal gambling or anything that reflected poorly on the league? maybe i never heard the followup to the nfl's decision on vick but i figured his career was toast

[Vteckidd]

Who said anything about race? :rolleyes:
Read Much?


but we all KNOW what that whole Vick thing was about anyway now dont we.

Notice how i said: IF

i dont know what his last sentence was supposed to mean, so i said IF.

calm down

[Deke]

but we all KNOW what that whole Vick thing was about anyway now dont we.


Dog fighting and illegal gambling?

It looks as if you're trying to implicate race in the situation, and if that is the case, I'm implicating that you gtfo.

[TheChosenOne]

Until someone shows so actual evidence that vick was the ni99a behind it all, placing bets and organizing the fights, I say its bullshyt!

A dog is a phucking petty animal! There is no way you can justify amost 2 years in jail, stripped of your rights, for "being involved in dog fights & illegal gambling"!

Were any peopel hurt? Would you consider him a threat 2 society? If T.I. Can get off, then any ni99a can get off. They made an example out of him, but that don't make it right.

And vick WILL play QB, and fucking dominate at that. His attorney said he we benching 460 when he saw him last... that monkey is gunna be playing like his freedom depends on it!

[quickdodge®]

Who said anything about race? :rolleyes:

You know that's what that dude was implying.


Until someone shows so actual evidence that vick was the ni99a behind it all, placing bets and organizing the fights, I say its bullshyt!

It happened on his property. He is ultimately responsible for everything that goes on there.


A dog is a phucking petty animal! There is no way you can justify amost 2 years in jail, stripped of your rights, for "being involved in dog fights & illegal gambling"!

If it was A dog, you might be right about his time served. But it wasn't just A animal. He deserved everything he got. And to you, life may not be that precious for other species but, thank goodness, you don't run the part of government that handles this stuff.

BTW, TI didn't get off. He served time as well. Some people really need to get off the Vick Dick. I'm not against Vick at all. I hope he makes a return to the NFL. And I hope he does well. I also hope he doesn't get himself mixed up in this bullshit again. He needs to maintain a better vigil on his extracurricular activities from now on. Later, QD.

[1000cckiller]

I'm not one of these people who thinks Vick should be killed because of his actions, but I will say that he deserved every bit of time he served (and then some). I just hope he's learned his lesson and turned his previously garbage life around. To have such a gift of athleticism and then jeopardize it by participating in stupid (and highly fucked up) activities...

Whatever, I'm glad we got Ryan :)Ryan sucks cock

[AirMax95]

Eh....I agree with most of this threads responses.

I will say, not in a racially motivated way, that Vick was an example for ALL athletes. It needed to be done! As Mike said earlier, you are a MILLIONAIRE x2! There is no reason at ALL that you should be doing dumb shit. Hell, if I liked dog fighting that much, I would have someone biuld me the baddest interactive dog fighting game EVER! Online play across the world!

Ok, a little over board, but you get my point. Now maybe all the other knuckleheads will stop and realize that it can happen to ANYONE!

[VIP Style]

lol i really dont think ryan is all that great either
Ryan sucks cock

[Sammich]

He was a MILLIONAIRE, why would you associate yourself with these kind of illegal and inhumane activities.

stupid

same damn thing i was thinking throughout this whole ordeal, just like all these other idiot ball players who are doing stupid 'hood' things just to keep up their street cred? i mean come on its ridiculous. but i do agree in him getting a second chance, if he screws up twice, then thats on him

[The_ CaneCorso]

This is true and even though dog fighting is wrong, come on!! There are WAYYYY Other worse shit than that!! Only the haters and freaking so called animal saviors prowl on this! .
You are a idiot. You act so cavlier about dogs being murdered...

[Deke]

Ryan sucks cock

Yeah I'm definitely going to have to disagree.

Of course he's not the absolute best right now, but in time he's going to be a beast. But even now I'd say he's doing pretty damn good. The Falcons have a rookie QB starting and they have a winning record. Yeah he's horrible...

[1000cckiller]

Yeah I'm definitely going to have to disagree.

Of course he's not the absolute best right now, but in time he's going to be a beast. But even now I'd say he's doing pretty damn good. The Falcons have a rookie QB starting and they have a winning record. Yeah he's horrible...okay every time Ryan is pressured he chokes, the teams they have beat aren't great. The teams they loose to are beating his ass, so falcons still won't make the playoffs and Ryan sucks in my book.

[Deke]

okay every time Ryan is pressured he chokes, the teams they have beat aren't great.

Yeah I guess the Bears game would be the best example of this...

[OneSlow5pt0]

this thread has more nutswingers than the GTR threads

[VIP Style]

ryan is ok nothing too special, but i see what he saying, look what happen in the buccs game, carolina, and now eagles. these teams are teams in the nfc that we must be able to beat. and about the whole race thing. i dont think this whole vick getting took down was racially motivated, but i do believe that him being a young rich black man added more fuel to the fire, you understand?
Yeah I guess the Bears game would be the best example of this...

[OneSlow5pt0]

if its all bout race...y isnt 75% of the nfl locked up an fined?

and ryan is a rookie QB,and so far one the best rookie QBS in NFL history

maybe u dont like him cause hes white

[Killer]

.....

your sig is killin me................

[JackMaster]

whoa, Mike Vick is black?

[XLR8NMR2]

all this ranting and raving with no reliable source what so ever.

Vick will come back to the NFL but as for right now arthur blank owns his rights and basically owns his ass.

[The_ CaneCorso]

I thought mick vick was warren moon.. Ok j/k yea that sig is funny.

[VIP Style]

ok time out, the best in NFL history? are you serious lol come on dude the season not even over yet. this has nothing to do with ryan skin color, so quit that.
if its all bout race...y isnt 75% of the nfl locked up an fined?

and ryan is a rookie QB,and so far one the best rookie QBS in NFL history

maybe u dont like him cause hes white

[alpine_aw11]

ok time out, the best in NFL history? are you serious lol come on dude the season not even over yet. this has nothing to do with ryan skin color, so quit that.

Ryan's stats are among the best of any rookie QB in the history of the NFL as of now.

[VIP Style]

yeah like you said "as of now" but yeah i think he is definitely not a bad QB, i give him credit, but i just dont think he all that special.
Ryan's stats are among the best of any rookie QB in the history of the NFL as of now.

[alpine_aw11]

Idk, if you look at the fact that he's a rookie he is pretty damn special, and not short bus special. Time will tell as to what he will become.

[90_ACCORD]

well i heard they might let him back in the NFL but not to the falcons so it could be true

[isa2o3]

i hope to see him play again. on the other hand the new qb for atl is sick. his numbers and percentage are already better than the mannings when they first started.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i guess by special u mean not running around trying to make plays by himself?

ryan has very good head on his shoulders,he is showing tons of promise

and somehow this terriable receving core when vick was starter,well they look pretty damn good now that they have a real QB instead of a money making side show

[VIP Style]

that receiving core sure let ryan down in the carolina game...7 dropped passes. and yeah if i was a playmaker liked vick, and my receivers was not putting on, then hell yeah i would run with it. i like ryan, i dont take anything from him, but i have seen ryan under or over throw like a motha trying to force the ball due to intense pressure that he cant escape with his feet.
i guess by special u mean not running around trying to make plays by himself?

ryan has very good head on his shoulders,he is showing tons of promise

and somehow this terriable receving core when vick was starter,well they look pretty damn good now that they have a real QB instead of a money making side show

[OUTLAW]

matt ryan is ok wondefull passing qb. but as we saw in the eagles came he cant take perssure worth a shit. has no scarbbilng game just curls up like a girl n get hit. i do say they went way overboard with vick. it was his first felony what happed to first offender rights. ummmm? i wonder. you have guys right know in the nfl tht have drung charges( ricky williams) you have guys tht have murder charges ( jamal lewis) you have guys tht have rape, domestic violence. but yea guess your right dog fighting a bit bull is so much more serious crime. HAHAHAHA some of you make me sick he was fighting a dam pitbull. sorry to use the race card but what race of people normally owns these dogs blacks. i challenge you to go to any white suburb area n see lil becky walking around with killer or manic or bullet. no thet have fifi lil fuckin poodles. o i also challenge you to go to any pet stores n tell me is they have any pitbulls for sale go ahead im waiting. u wont find any cause every pitbull tht is turn n to the pound is killin. funny i dont see peta running to the pound to stop them from doing this. but vick kills a pitbull oooooo hes a monster HAHAHAHAH lets put him n prison. if he was not a qb star making the most money of any player at the time. he would have simply got a big ass fine and suspeded for a few games. n you think this was justice only n this sick fed up world can u call tht justice

[AirMax95]

^^^^I can dig it.

[nreggie454]

matt ryan is ok wondefull passing qb. but as we saw in the eagles came he cant take perssure worth a shit. has no scarbbilng game just curls up like a girl n get hit. i do say they went way overboard with vick. it was his first felony what happed to first offender rights. ummmm? i wonder. you have guys right know in the nfl tht have drung charges( ricky williams) you have guys tht have murder charges ( jamal lewis) you have guys tht have rape, domestic violence. but yea guess your right dog fighting a bit bull is so much more serious crime. HAHAHAHA some of you make me sick he was fighting a dam pitbull. sorry to use the race card but what race of people normally owns these dogs blacks. i challenge you to go to any white suburb area n see lil becky walking around with killer or manic or bullet. no thet have fifi lil fuckin poodles. o i also challenge you to go to any pet stores n tell me is they have any pitbulls for sale go ahead im waiting. u wont find any cause every pitbull tht is turn n to the pound is killin. funny i dont see peta running to the pound to stop them from doing this. but vick kills a pitbull oooooo hes a monster HAHAHAHAH lets put him n prison. if he was not a qb star making the most money of any player at the time. he would have simply got a big ass fine and suspeded for a few games. n you think this was justice only n this sick fed up world can u call tht justice

Ray (not Jamal) Lewis got obstruction of justice with regards to the murder case. Each player that breaks the law should be treated the same and dealt with accordingly.

However, Vick bankrolled the dogfighting, and killed multiple dogs (which can get you 5 years EACH DOG). He then failed a drug test, which was one of the few requirements he had from the judge. What a fucking MORON! He should have been happy with his millions upon millions of legitimate dollars, but he threw it away.

He isn't some guy that just happened to have a couple bulldogs and see if they would fight, and killed one. He was a big part of an illegal gambling operation. He got off LUCKY. He deserves NOTHING. He should be extremely grateful that he could get a chance at all to play in the NFL.

[VIP Style]

ok yeah he broke the law, but how do any of us know exactly how many dogs he killed? no video evidence whatsoever. and that failed drug test..lol was failed on purpose, dont you understand what drug treatment programs do to a sentence?
Ray (not Jamal) Lewis got obstruction of justice with regards to the murder case. Each player that breaks the law should be treated the same and dealt with accordingly.

However, Vick bankrolled the dogfighting, and killed multiple dogs (which can get you 5 years EACH DOG). He then failed a drug test, which was one of the few requirements he had from the judge. What a fucking MORON! He should have been happy with his millions upon millions of legitimate dollars, but he threw it away.

He isn't some guy that just happened to have a couple bulldogs and see if they would fight, and killed one. He was a big part of an illegal gambling operation. He got off LUCKY. He deserves NOTHING. He should be extremely grateful that he could get a chance at all to play in the NFL.

[VIP Style]

i feel you, its too many riding ryans cock too hard man, i laugh at the commentators of his games its funny. thats why i say he is decent, but nothing special.
matt ryan is ok wondefull passing qb. but as we saw in the eagles came he cant take perssure worth a shit. has no scarbbilng game just curls up like a girl n get hit. i do say they went way overboard with vick. it was his first felony what happed to first offender rights. ummmm? i wonder. you have guys right know in the nfl tht have drung charges( ricky williams) you have guys tht have murder charges ( jamal lewis) you have guys tht have rape, domestic violence. but yea guess your right dog fighting a bit bull is so much more serious crime. HAHAHAHA some of you make me sick he was fighting a dam pitbull. sorry to use the race card but what race of people normally owns these dogs blacks. i challenge you to go to any white suburb area n see lil becky walking around with killer or manic or bullet. no thet have fifi lil fuckin poodles. o i also challenge you to go to any pet stores n tell me is they have any pitbulls for sale go ahead im waiting. u wont find any cause every pitbull tht is turn n to the pound is killin. funny i dont see peta running to the pound to stop them from doing this. but vick kills a pitbull oooooo hes a monster HAHAHAHAH lets put him n prison. if he was not a qb star making the most money of any player at the time. he would have simply got a big ass fine and suspeded for a few games. n you think this was justice only n this sick fed up world can u call tht justice

[Spectic Tank]

i feel you, its too many riding ryans cock too hard man, i laugh at the commentators of his games its funny. thats why i say he is decent, but nothing special.

Are you really serious? You talk about someone riding cock...you seem to have a kung-fu grip on M. Vick's...

If Ryan is decent, then what is Michael Vick? He had more time on the bench then Ryan got, and still couldn't run a consistent offense. I think it's funny that once he was gone Roddy white had a breakout year, with Joey Harrington throwing him the ball. Vick was a great athlete, but came up waaaay short as an NFL QB. Good Riddance! I would be happy if the Falcons got a 3rd round pick for him.

[VIP Style]

first off, a offense consistency is not necessarily based on the QB, it can be coaching, surrounding players and ryan has seen just how inconsistent the falcons can be when the pressure is intense(panthers, buccaneers, eagles game.). if vick was not a NFL capable QB, then he would not have gotten drafted so high(or drafted as a QB), made all this money in endorsements, and a big NFL contract. come on man its common sense, a sorry ass QB would not be making bank like vick. and about the cock riding? lol i did not come on here praising around like vick is this and that, now did i? alright now sit down.
Are you really serious? You talk about someone riding cock...you seem to have a kung-fu grip on M. Vick's...

If Ryan is decent, then what is Michael Vick? He had more time on the bench then Ryan got, and still couldn't run a consistent offense. I think it's funny that once he was gone Roddy white had a breakout year, with Joey Harrington throwing him the ball. Vick was a great athlete, but came up waaaay short as an NFL QB. Good Riddance! I would be happy if the Falcons got a 3rd round pick for him.

[Deke]

matt ryan is ok wondefull passing qb. but as we saw in the eagles came he cant take perssure worth a shit. has no scarbbilng game just curls up like a girl n get hit. i do say they went way overboard with vick. it was his first felony what happed to first offender rights. ummmm? i wonder. you have guys right know in the nfl tht have drung charges( ricky williams) you have guys tht have murder charges ( jamal lewis) you have guys tht have rape, domestic violence. but yea guess your right dog fighting a bit bull is so much more serious crime. HAHAHAHA some of you make me sick he was fighting a dam pitbull. sorry to use the race card but what race of people normally owns these dogs blacks. i challenge you to go to any white suburb area n see lil becky walking around with killer or manic or bullet. no thet have fifi lil fuckin poodles. o i also challenge you to go to any pet stores n tell me is they have any pitbulls for sale go ahead im waiting. u wont find any cause every pitbull tht is turn n to the pound is killin. funny i dont see peta running to the pound to stop them from doing this. but vick kills a pitbull oooooo hes a monster HAHAHAHAH lets put him n prison. if he was not a qb star making the most money of any player at the time. he would have simply got a big ass fine and suspeded for a few games. n you think this was justice only n this sick fed up world can u call tht justice

My god. I don't even know where to start.

[Spectic Tank]

first off, a offense consistency is not necessarily based on the QB, it can be coaching, surrounding players and ryan has seen just how inconsistent the falcons can be when the pressure is intense(panthers, buccaneers, eagles game.). if vick was not a NFL capable QB, then he would not have gotten drafted so high(or drafted as a QB), made all this money in endorsements, and a big NFL contract. come on man its common sense, a sorry ass QB would not be making bank like vick. and about the cock riding? lol i did not come on here praising around like vick is this and that, now did i? alright now sit down.

Common sense would tell you that a players salary does not always reflect his play on the field. When you have a GM like Rich Mckay you tend to overpay for mediocre talent. And wtf does endorsements have to do with anything? Brady Quinn has endorsements, and what has he done in the NFL?

[alpine_aw11]

As much promise as Vick had, he was OVERRATED. He was far from the most accurate QB in the NFL when he played. He got all of those endorsements because when a play fucked up he could just run it 50 yards. He is one of the best athletes to ever play, but Ryan will be a much better QB. Everyone rides Vick's nuts because if you look at the crazy runs he would make he seems much better than he really is. Ryan is overrated too, but Vick would not have done as well had he started right out of college. Ryan isn't that special, but he probably will be in a couple years. After Vick's stupid mistake we had to get a new franchise player to represent Atlanta, and Ryan will fill Vick's shoes and more imo. If we can improve our running game (namely by not picking a stupid ass run play everytime) then Vick will be a thing of the past.

[VIP Style]

i dont think ryan will necessarily fill vicks shoes because of how much vick amped up the franchise and that QB position, but he will be heard down in atlanta. i dont think vick was necessarily overrated, but he was not mediocre, chad pennington, david carr, joey herrington now those guys are mediocre.
As much promise as Vick had, he was OVERRATED. He was far from the most accurate QB in the NFL when he played. He got all of those endorsements because when a play fucked up he could just run it 50 yards. He is one of the best athletes to ever play, but Ryan will be a much better QB. Everyone rides Vick's nuts because if you look at the crazy runs he would make he seems much better than he really is. Ryan is overrated too, but Vick would not have done as well had he started right out of college. Ryan isn't that special, but he probably will be in a couple years. After Vick's stupid mistake we had to get a new franchise player to represent Atlanta, and Ryan will fill Vick's shoes and more imo. If we can improve our running game (namely by not picking a stupid ass run play everytime) then Vick will be a thing of the past.

[ueyedgr8tness]

you dont think 23 months was too harsh for that?

im with you,I heard about the # of players beat there wifes and dont get no time at all.I think that is way worse and if they can get away with shi* like that.Why make some 1 go to jail that long over a dog,that is like giving animals human rights.Which is fu**ed up in my book,because theres a reason there called animals:2cents: doesnt me i like what he did at all:no:

[quickdodge®]

Which is fu**ed up in my book,

It's a damn good thing the world doesn't revolve around your book.


because theres a reason there called animals


Guess what Darwin? Humans are animals as well. Later, QD.

[alpine_aw11]

i dont think ryan will necessarily fill vicks shoes because of how much vick amped up the franchise and that QB position, but he will be heard down in atlanta. i dont think vick was necessarily overrated, but he was not mediocre, chad pennington, david carr, joey herrington now those guys are mediocre.

Ryan won't generate the same excitement, but personally I would rather see the Falcons win. Granted Vick didn't have as good of a team to work with, but he was pretty inconsistent. Like I said, his athleticism was his strong point, not his actual skill as a QB. I was and still am a big fan of Vick, but I'd be very willing to bet Ryan will surpass what Vick was within a few years as a QB. Only time will tell I suppose.

And as for Vick going to Detroit, I would hate to see that. He needs to be put on a good team so he can fully develop his skill and decision making as a QB. When he was with us he had to do too much to support the team, and I think that might have held him back.

[HeLLo iM iZzY]

I think it's Daunte Culpepper that the Lions want.

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i also heard that he may sign with the chiefs
I think it's Daunte Culpepper that the Lions want.

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yeah i hear what you saying about him having to do so much which probably was not so good for him or any player to have to do. i think adrian peterson is one of those athletes as well thats going to be expected to do too much cause the vikings be running him alot.
Ryan won't generate the same excitement, but personally I would rather see the Falcons win. Granted Vick didn't have as good of a team to work with, but he was pretty inconsistent. Like I said, his athleticism was his strong point, not his actual skill as a QB. I was and still am a big fan of Vick, but I'd be very willing to bet Ryan will surpass what Vick was within a few years as a QB. Only time will tell I suppose.

And as for Vick going to Detroit, I would hate to see that. He needs to be put on a good team so he can fully develop his skill and decision making as a QB. When he was with us he had to do too much to support the team, and I think that might have held him back.