painting car question..

[1NonlyAccord]

I got new doors last week,so it was blue car with gray doors..so i decided to try to paint them at the house.
had a buddy from work get the paint mixed up for me,
Shop-Line; probably not the best in the world but atleast its blue.

1st) i sprayed the sides last week *Thinking it was already Reduced like i ASKD* but it sprayed out like sandpaper-looks flat blue,feels like sandpaper.

2)Went yesterday and got some specialty reducer for all temps, its a 1:1 Ratio, Sprayed it and still goes flat blue,and textured.?

Any Ideas getting actual SMOOTH base coat?

spraying with a (1.4mm)Sharp SGF-HLVP,gravity feed

kinda to show what it looks like and talking bout..and yes 2 clear coats too.. VVVVV
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG0984.jpg

comparison to what it use to look like before i messed it up..ha bumper>Fender
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG0960.jpg

[Bruce Leroy]

How did you prep?

[1NonlyAccord]

Last week; 400g on doors, then 800g on quarter and fenders so i could blend.
Dupont-wax grease remover, Tack-cloth after every coat layed down.

Then yesterday completely sanded the side down with 320G,Wax grease remover,tack..sprayed

[Bruce Leroy]

Is it a single stage? Or a base/clear?

You will get a quicker, better answer here

AutoBody101.com

[1NonlyAccord]

base/clear. im just having trouble laying the base down smooth.the clear like soaks into the dimples and still feels textured and dull.

i tryed to wetsand and buff the drivers side last week.
had to do 1000g to cut the texture down faster,1500 then 2000 and 3000..went through few places...and looks hazy cuz where the texture was are like small bubbles that show through the old color..of that makes since..

[The BUCKY]

just looks like base doenst looke like it was cleared. even if the base is not smooth the clear should come out shiny

[1NonlyAccord]

just looks like base doenst looke like it was cleared. even if the base is not smooth the clear should come out shiny

it has 2 coats of clear,thats what i was saying,the textured base soaks the clear into the crevicest..the end of the fender and quarter turned out best because it was just recleared,no color was shot..but it still has like big dropplets of paint splatterd in it.what it looks like when spraying..

[1NonlyAccord]

can i wet sand the base to make smooth..then put clear over top of it?

[AnthonyF]

not bad for outside work. Wheres the clear at though?

-Ant.

edit: so you have clear on there? Just wet sand the clear and buff out to a beautiful shine.

[The BUCKY]

its alot more probs than i can fix on the net

[VQ35 Star]

You said you cleared those panels??? Looks like a flattening agent was added to the clear. How many PSI are you shooting the clear, and how many coats, and how thick are you spraying the clear? And did you mix the clear correctly? Most clears that I have worked with are either 4:1:1. But southern polyurethane universal clear coat mixes 1:1.

The base coat doesn't have to be that smooth, because base coat is just for color, the clear coat is your glamour coat. BUt if you want the base to be slick then yes you can wet sand the base pref. with 1000-1500 grit wet/dry.

To be honest doesn't look like you sprayed clear at all.
(i usually spray clear with a 1.4 and base with a 1.3)

And you don't necessarily need to wet sand with 1k and work your self up to 3k to buff. At work we just wet sand with 1500 and buff that out with a heavy cutting compoud with foam yellow cutting pad, then polish with 3m finesse it and black foam polishing pad. and comes out perfect. No need to break your back.

[The BUCKY]

the blue does look kinda bad ass though

[VQ35 Star]

yea it does.

[1NonlyAccord]

I just sprayed a test panel off my pocket bike..it still has texture but not as bad..and shine..with 3 coats of clear..and 3 coats of base.. ill post pics in a sec..

[VQ35 Star]

explain this texture. does it look like dry spray or like an orange peel effect? Maybe your spraying at too low a pressure.

[The BUCKY]

thats what it soudns like. or not enough material on the panles

[1NonlyAccord]

im spraying about 25psi for base..then 40ish for clear...
but im using the pre-mixed duplicolor clear..

texture as in,looks like a piece of sandpaper..ha like literally flat blue sandpaper.
like yesterday when i was spraying,looked like it was just spitting out paint dropplets?

[1NonlyAccord]

this turned out alot better than the car..but still has texture and not laying smooth..

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG0994-1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG0995.jpg

[The BUCKY]

looks like no enough clear period


where did you get the clear from

[1NonlyAccord]

advanced auto..its the duplicolor paint shop..pre mixed..

i know its cheap,but i just wanted to be atleast blue..even if it looks like a single stage paint job..but the texture is bothering me..

[greasemunkey]

with some of the new clears I was told that the mix they tell you is off just to save you problems but it doesnt help, try mixing in more clear

[greasemunkey]

advanced auto..its the duplicolor paint shop..pre mixed..oops nvm thats why...go to sherwin williams

[The BUCKY]

yea that stuff sux the most balls ever in one mouth.

[1NonlyAccord]

i understand its cheap and crap..but its all i have at the moment..but is there anyway to spray it alteast flat/smooth..

whats the proper psi setting for clear and gun settings ect?

[Captain-Obvious™]

I vouch that that clear coat sucks...

mike tried that sh.it on his tail lights and it didn't work at all

[greasemunkey]

i understand its cheap and crap..but its all i have at the moment..but is there anyway to spray it alteast flat/smooth..

whats the proper psi setting for clear and gun settings ect?with clear you need to blow it out alot harder/faster than paint...I went through all my clearcoat painting my car and still had almost half of my paint left

[1NonlyAccord]

well im gonna go out and redo my drivers side..since i messed it up when i TRYED to save the paint and buff it.but just made it look worse.. :(

hopfully i got my gun adjusted better so its not 'spitting out paint droplets'

[frostbyte]

are u wipein the panel down good before paint??? also due to spraygun tip the low pressure my be drysprayin like a mf'r. if so itll feel like sandpaper and any metallic will stand up instead of layin down. and the bubbles to original color sounds like fisheye.. some sort of oil bases shine or wax on serface still

[VQ35 Star]

I usually spray my base at around 20 psi and my clear around 25-30psi.

You need to final sand with a higher grit sand paper too. Looking at your paint there are a lot of sand scratches. Before you spray the clear wet sand with 1000 and re-base to get rid of those sand scratches. I usually final sand with 800 around the primer, and grey/1000 wet where I blend.

And for the clear you bought at autozone, i've never used to so i can't say anything. But from the looks of it, doesn't look good. Just go to a paint store (finish masters off of huricane shoals in lawrenceville) and get a clear coat/activator kit. you can get a kit at around $70 for the smart clear, it is def. much MUCH better than the stuff you bought at autozone.

[frostbyte]

clean ur tip tear down the gun clean that sumahmaitch gooooood

[VQ35 Star]

Yea, that could also be a problem. Get some lacquer thinner, take the gun apart and let it soak with the lacquer thinner for like 15-20 min. take them out and brush them off and whip them down, and see if that helps.

[1NonlyAccord]

well i just sprayed 2coats so far of base..the texture is down alot but still there..im going to do one more coat of base..then ill take a pic..im waiting for it to flash again.before next coat..
so wet sand the base with 1000..THEN clear it?

[The BUCKY]

dont sand before clear. the clear will level out any un evenness in teh base

[1NonlyAccord]

ok,im going to go lay down the 3rd coat of base real quick..it looks dull with no metalllic..is that good so far? with minimum texture now.

[1NonlyAccord]

ok dont laugh..its ghetto..but it works.surprisingly almost no trash?! but then again still looks like shti..ha

This time i redid the drivers side; this side i previsoly buffed..so i 600G wetsand since i pretty much was already through the clear already to make smooth..cleaned up..then sprayed..

3coats of blue.this time i lightly dusted it and held gun little farther away to reduce paint droplet forming. base looks much better than other 2times i tryed not AS much texture.still dull and no metallic...now its all on to the clear...


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1001.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1002.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1003.jpg

[The BUCKY]

base looks better

[1NonlyAccord]

ya i think my problem is the clear..its not really doing anything..ha
so ill spray my 3rd coat in a sec..then do the last 'mist coat' for the metallic..to alteast protect it till i get money for real clear.ha

[greasemunkey]

go buy better clearcoat its not too expensive, maybe 80 bucks for some decent/good stuff

[1NonlyAccord]

i quit my job last week..so i dont have money to spend..ha thats why im stuck with the duplicolor paint shop at the moment.. :(

after i sell some car parts ill go get some clear coat.that kit mentioned above^ sounds like its close around.

[1NonlyAccord]

ok layed 3 coats of clear then the 'mist coat' that was recommended..looks like how it started..ha

when you rub ur hand over it,it still sounds like rough panel..sandpaper..but not AS bad..

[1NonlyAccord]

looks like the start..mayb little shinnier?
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1006.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1007.jpg

shows where i stoped the color and then cleard..so didnt do too much?
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1008.jpg

[Bruce Leroy]

If the whole car was that flat blue color, it would be cool.

[1NonlyAccord]

^ thats what im looking at.lol the bumpers,side skirts and roof are all slick and shinney now.. and spoiler :(

haha

[1NonlyAccord]

sitting outside..drying..still kinda gummy;

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1009.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1010.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1012.jpg
color dose not match..ha
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1013.jpg


now this i did last night,no clear;almost the same apperance.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1014.jpg

[Init2winit]

I bet your neighbors hate you.

[Elbow]

I like it that color...lol

[1NonlyAccord]

I bet your neighbors hate you.

on one side,its full of mexicans painting it and redoing it for sale at the moment..other side,they like watching me always change the car.ha iv died down on doing loud things for a while..but ya the compressor is kinda loud and annoyying.

[1NonlyAccord]

I like it that color...lol

ha appreciate it..atleast its better than having blue car and a dark gray door.ha

[1NonlyAccord]

i didnt take a before shot of my car with the new doors..but heres my old doors on his car.now driving around Tampa,FL,
Guy drove down from Tampa to swap doors and get his side skirts put on.:crazy:


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/olddoor.jpg

[Crosswyse]

try putting more clear down, it looks like you are just not putting enough down for it to level out. also, how much CFM does your compressor put out. If its not enough then it will just sputter the clear and not atomize it correctly. Most HVLP's require atleast 7-8 CFM usually more. My DeVillebliss uses over 10 when i turn it up. Also check your pressure drop when you are spraying. If you set the regulator at 25 you may only have 18 at full depression.

Hope this helps

kyle

[1NonlyAccord]

im using a Brut 10gallon 2.5hp compressor, its 125psi max..
90psi 5.1...and 40psi at 4.1 (what it says on tank.lol)

and have the gun all the way open 50max,,then running the reg.and gauge reads 25psi.then 40 when i was doing clear.

[The BUCKY]

where do you live?

[1NonlyAccord]

Lilburn,GA

[Crosswyse]

turn your pressure down a bit, most HVLP's max out at 35. so i would try 30 especially if you have it all the way open. You may want to shoot a little less for the clear. I think you are just shooting too high of a pressure. If Bucky is close enough too you, you might want to pay him some gas money to come help you. I am further than he is. Or if you want to stop by the shop one day i can show you a few things. Some of the tips are hard to explain, and better to show in person.

kyle

[The BUCKY]

i am near 316 and 20 how far is that from you

[1NonlyAccord]

ok appreciate it..

like iv said,i quit my job last week..so i have no money now.ha trying to sell some car parts.

ill be willing to trade my 12"kicker L7,box and amp for some good clear and little cash.ha

http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184868

[1NonlyAccord]

i am near 316 and 20 how far is that from you

Pm'd

but im about 30ish mins from mall of GA

[VQ35 Star]

You misted the clear coat?!?!!?!

[1NonlyAccord]

no-the 1st 3 coats i did medium wet (6-8") away like directions..then it said final coat hold gun 9-12" away for metallic paints...

[VQ35 Star]

ohhhh you misted the BASE coat ok ok. Yea thats normal to do with metallic base coats, if you dont have a special tip on your spray gun for metallics.

[1NonlyAccord]

its the same gun my uncle sprayed his pearl white beretta with along time ago...1.4mm tip..

[VQ35 Star]

yea, usually painters spray metallics/pearls with 1.3.
and a lot of profession spray guns (anest Iwata/SATA) all have special air caps for metallics.

[1NonlyAccord]

this is what it turned out looking like after i buffed it the last time(last week)..its kinda hard to explain what it looked like..you can see from the pic.
now when i go get some new clearcoat..would i just scotch gray-pad to scuff it up to reclear?


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG0992-1.jpg
Looked like crap..textured flat blue looked better than that...haha:(

[VQ35 Star]

Yea take a bucket of water, a grey scotch pad and do it while it is wet. And if you want get some PPG scuffing paste too, to quicken the process. and then wash the car down with some dish washing soap, let it dry tape off and re-clear if you didn't go through the base.


BUt from looking at that texture, it looks as if you can feel it too. If so you might want to wet sand with 1k and then spray the clear. Don't bear down too hard and go through the base either, because I'm assuming your running low on the blue.

Some will tell you to just scotch pad it, but the texture will still be there, and when you re-clear it you wont feel it but the clear will maginify the texture so it will look as if it is orange-peeled/dry sprayed.

Good luck.

[1NonlyAccord]

ya i have little less than half a quart on blue now..since iv reprayed both sides 2times now..

i didnt put clear on my passenger side the other night,so what should i do about that? and it has high texture..

[1NonlyAccord]

I have room to sand down the drivers side since i put 3coats of that duplicolor clear on..but the other night when i tryed to reduce the texture it didnt work,so i got pissed and put everything away and never cleared it..

[VQ35 Star]

It should be fine, but without clear coat the base will be more prone to chips and scratches.

Before you reclear that fender, make sure you wet sand with 1k before you reclear.

Bring your gun to me, and i'll set it for you, i don't think the gun is set up correctly if your getting that much texture.

[1NonlyAccord]

Pm'd

[1NonlyAccord]

here are some pics i took...to kinda show what im working with..
*note bumpers,spoiler have not been wetsanded or buffed and still look decent...:(

Pass. side,NO clear, pretty textured..
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1017.jpg


Drivers side.3 coats of clear,minimul texture..
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1019.jpg

Quarter and rear bumper comparsion..
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1018.jpg

[1NonlyAccord]

VQ35 Star i meant to say bufford hwy is NOT too far away..lol sorry

[The BUCKY]

pm me your address. i will see how far it is

[1NonlyAccord]

pm me your address. i will see how far it is

Pm'd

[turbob20]

RUN SOM REDUCER THROUGH YOUR GUN WITH OUT ANY AIR HOSE AND SE IF IT COMES OUT IN A STEADY STREAM. IF NOT A STRAIGHT STREAM THEN GUN IS CLOGGED. SRRY BOUT CAPS. also b sure theres no moisture in the air when doing base and you can wait between coats. now the clear can b done anytime after base is layed down and do a light coat then a medium then a kinda heavy coat on the paint and clear. but on clear wait between coats till you can touch an oversprayed area and touch finger and thumb 2 gether and laeve a sticky trail kinda like bubble gum from the 2 fingers and then within a cpl mins start next coat. then let set all night and about 12 or so hours later water sand with 1000 grit. this is colorsanding. then get some 3m extra cut buffing compound and a godd multispeed buffer and buff till no sand scratches are visible. this takes the longest but must be done within 24 hrs. then if the paint hazes later buff untill paint no longer hazes.

[turbob20]

all base coats turn dull as they dry also.

[VQ35 Star]

turbob20, lol I think he knows how to paint, hes just wondering why hes getting the texture. But thanks on the text book answer.

[turbob20]

well its poor boy text book but hey if he knew how any real painter would figure out you get what you pay for in this business, and we all have to cut them corners sometimes.

[vancem3m3]

turbob20 i can vouch for he painted my car and its clean

[1NonlyAccord]

Sorry Bucky and everyone else;I got bored and decided to try it..
-well i got gloss,BUT HELLL load of Orange peel.I MEAN HELL alot...ill be having fun blocking this out by hand tmr or when ever..:goodjob:.
Used the Smart-4:1 with medium activator..
this is about 5coats so i dont go through sanding all this out..ha
**dosnt even look like 5 either**

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1128.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1129.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1130.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1131.jpg

[rickgiblin]

hey dude, play around with your air settings on the gun, it seems like its not atomizing correctly, and also, what kind of reducer are you using? i got some clear and reducer that i will sell you if you want that i got left over from my paint job when i was spraying at the spray glo. send me a pm if you want some more help, ill be in suwanee this weekend if you want me to come over and help you. also, what gun are you spraying with?

[1NonlyAccord]

Ya i tyred differnt settings each coat.ha
But no thanks i have almost the full gallon left,and most of the activator.it looks alot better out in the sun.metallic shows really well. i just have to buff it to slick it out now.
This mainly was a CHEAP spray to have 1 color car instead of silver doors.so i pretty much got what i needed out of it.

[1NonlyAccord]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1132.jpg

color is SLIGHTLY darker then the bumpers,so hopfully after i buff it itl match a little better..if not then ill spray the corners of the bumpers.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1134.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i243/mr_crispy1011/CIMG1135.jpg

[CB7tuner]

ive never seen that much orange peel before :thinking:

[1NonlyAccord]

ive never seen that much orange peel before :thinking:

ya my gun isnt set right..:(

[SUBY_RUE]

Holy orange peel,

This may help http://www.xs11.com/faq/paintfaq.shtml