H22 Type S Cams in Jdm H22a?

[G.C]

My friend is selling OEM Type S Cam,Cam Gear,Valve,Spring, and Retainers for fairly cheap to me. Wondering if this will be a Direct Fitment.

[allmotoronly]

yes

[G.C]

thank you.

[IndianStig]

fail

[allmotoronly]

NO IT WILL NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It will mess up your valve train, you will need to upgread to OEM. it is not soo bad, you can run it but it will mess up your engine over time.

get skunk 2 pro1's if you want cams thats what i am getting.

search HT for the thread just type in h22 cams


i will get it for you if you fail to find it.


what the FVCK are you talking about. OEM type S cams, cam gears, valves, valve springs, and retainers will drop right in to any H22A. How will it "mess up" his valve train? He will be replacing the whole valve train minus the followers... What the fvck are you talking about upgrading to OEM???? That's what he's doing, upgrading to the jdm OEM type S setup. But how would I know?? I've only had three built H22A's, one being a jdm Type S. All of mine had jdm type S cams.

You are an idiot.

[IndianStig]

what the FVCK are you talking about. OEM type S cams, cam gears, valves, valve springs, and retainers will drop right in to any H22A. How will it "mess up" his valve trane? He will be replacing the whole valvetrane minus the followers... What the fvck are you talking about upgrading to OEM???? That's what he's doing, upgrading to the jdm OEM type S setup. But how would I know?? I've only had three built H22A's, one being a jdm Type S. All of mine had jdm type S cams.

You are an idiot.

i just reread the first post and i saw he's buying it all, i thought it was just the cams

it drops in but causes more premature wear on your valvetrain then some non-OEM cams. it will run and work fine with the stock valve train but its not a good idea!

i know type-s cams are OEM but they came with a diff spec valve train. for best performance and reliablity you need all the parts you listed. once you get that you are good to go

[allmotoronly]

i just reread the first post and i saw he's buying it all, i thought it was just the cams

it drops in but causes more premature wear on your valvetrain then some non-OEM cams. it will run and work fine with the stock valve train but its not a good idea!

i know type-s cams are OEM but they came with a diff spec valve train. for best performance and reliablity you need all the parts you listed. once you get that you are good to go
the jdm type S valve train is the exact same as the usdm H22A except for the valve springs. Everything else is the same. It will work fine with the stock valve train. The only reason to upgrade would be if he was planning on raising the rev limiter. The jdm type S has the same redline as the usdm H22A. Even is he was just swapping to the H22A type S cams he would be fine using the rest of his stock valvetrain as long as he did not over-rev the engine.

[allmotoronly]

I ran jdm type S cams on a H22A4 for like 55k miles, and the valvetrain was in perfect condition. The head was completely stock except for the type S cams. The bottom end of the engine failed, but the top end was in excellent condition, so good that I bought a shortblock and reused the same head. Later I ended up getting a jdm type S engine, and never had any problems out of it either.

[G.C]

how did your bottom end fail? if you dont mind. thanks for all the info. i will be getting the cams, etc soon then.

[G.C]

also if i get all the parts i just listed, will i be able to rev higher?

[allmotoronly]

also if i get all the parts i just listed, will i be able to rev higher?

You will be able to rev a little higher, but I wouldn't go over 8300rpm. There's really no reason to. My bottom end failed due partially to the fact that I revved the engine to 8500+rpm a few times, and the oem main bearings couldn't take it. I spun a main bearing and ruined the crank.

After you swap the cams, I would recommend a Euro R intake manifold, a good header, chipped ecu and tune.

[ATK_Designs]

I don't th ink it's even worth it to buy those. JDM H22 is 210hp. USDM is lessen.

Only good OEM cam is the Euro R.

Otherwise, save the $$ for aftermarket.

[allmotoronly]

I don't th ink it's even worth it to buy those. JDM H22 is 210hp. USDM is lessen.

Only good OEM cam is the Euro R.

Otherwise, save the $$ for aftermarket.

again, another idiot who doesn't know what they are talking about. The jdm type s makes 220hp, same as the euro R. The type S cams have a higher lift and duration than the usdm cams. The jdm H22A is 200hp just like the USDM. The Type S and Euro R are 220hp. The only difference between the two is the intake manifold on the euro R, and the ecu on the type S.

[allmotoronly]

lift (in millimeters) for the type S cams is 11.91/11.12. Lift for oem H22A cams is 11.38/10.54.

[Tech5]

Works fine!

[G.C]

After you swap the cams, I would recommend a Euro R intake manifold, a good header, chipped ecu and tune.


oh ok. i heard good stories bout those euro manifolds. i will think bout that after i get the cams in and stuff tho. i have a greddy 2.5'' collector header right now and a chipped ecu with data something forgot lol from scotty already. so yeah most likely after the cams, i will get it tuned and save up for the intake manifold. and call it finish for my DD.

[G.C]

Allmotoronly your awesome man. thank god your a I.A member. If there was enough technology to send beer through computer, there would be a pack of heineken or budlight in front of you.

[HatchHero]

i just reread the first post and i saw he's buying it all, i thought it was just the cams

it drops in but causes more premature wear on your valvetrain then some non-OEM cams. it will run and work fine with the stock valve train but its not a good idea!

i know type-s cams are OEM but they came with a diff spec valve train. for best performance and reliablity you need all the parts you listed. once you get that you are good to go



This A good thread because ive heard something about the premature wear with type s cams in a usdm h22 not sure about jdm.. good thread because ive built 3 h22s so far and most def heard something about that!! Euro R intake mani would be great but there is modification! you will make over 200 wit this set up!!

[HatchHero]

again, another idiot who doesn't know what they are talking about. The jdm type s makes 220hp, same as the euro R. The type S cams have a higher lift and duration than the usdm cams. The jdm H22A is 200hp just like the USDM. The Type S and Euro R are 220hp. The only difference between the two is the intake manifold on the euro R, and the ecu on the type S.

yeah but make sure you realize that type s h22 make that power cuz of pistons! big cams like big compression

[allmotoronly]

INDAIN STIG IS RITE!!! CHECK HONDA TECH
I wouldn't believe 10% of the shyt I have read on H-T. Who's to say that the people who wrote that **** are any smarter than ATK or any of the other idiots on this site who don't know what they are talking about. Everything I have written was from experience. I ran jdm type S cams in an otherwise stock H22A for 70k+ miles with no problems. It's no different than running any aftermarket cam. It has higher lift and duration, which means it would be a good idea to run aftermarket or jdm type S valve springs. Other than that, there is no reason it would not work. Some of you prople on here are so stupid. You believe anything you read on honda-tech. Some jackass probably installed the cams incorrectly or torqued them incorrectly, causing premature wear, and wrote something on H-T saying the type S cams were the cause of the wear....

[HatchHero]

oh ok. i heard good stories bout those euro manifolds. i will think bout that after i get the cams in and stuff tho. i have a greddy 2.5'' collector header right now and a chipped ecu with data something forgot lol from scotty already. so yeah most likely after the cams, i will get it tuned and save up for the intake manifold. and call it finish for my DD.


Dont forget h22 stock throttle body and intake mani diameter is 60mm. if you can bore it to like 62-64mm that will be perfect!! with those cams and pistons will wake that motor up! remember too much bore on h22 will effect the volumetric efficiency of the head causing it harder to make power..

[allmotoronly]

yeah but make sure you realize that type s h22 make that power cuz of pistons! big cams like big compression

well I'm telling you from my personal experience, the type S cams alone will make a noticeable gain in power. The pistons in a JDM H22A type S have 11/0:1C/R, the base JDM H22A have 10.6:1 C/R, and the USDM H22A has 10.0:1.

Upgrading pistons is not an easy thing to do in a H22A since it has FRM sleeves and can't be bored and in most cases can't be honed. You pretty much have to resleeve the engine, or hope that your cylinders are in good enough condition that you can do a very light hone and run standard sized type S pistons.

[HatchHero]

I wouldn't believe 10% of the shyt I have read on H-T. Who's to say that the people who wrote that **** are any smarter than ATK or any of the other idiots on this site who don't know what they are talking about. Everything I have written was from experience. I ran jdm type S cams in an otherwise stock H22A for 70k+ miles with no problems. It's no different than running any aftermarket cam. It has higher lift and duration, which means it would be a good idea to run aftermarket or jdm type S valve springs. Other than that, there is no reason it would not work. Some of you prople on here are so stupid. You believe anything you read on honda-tech. Some jackass probably installed the cams incorrectly or torqued them incorrectly, causing premature wear, and wrote something on H-T saying the type S cams were the cause of the wear....


i tried to edit that because you are rite but ive seen those cams installed rite and it looked funny! weird o well i would skunk pro 1! bad ass cams, no valve train upgrade! best results for the money!

[allmotoronly]

i tried to edit that because you are rite but ive seen those cams installed rite and it looked funny! weird o well i would skunk pro 1! bad ass cams, no valve train upgrade! best results for the money!
yea when I was building my H22A's there the PRO1's weren't even out yet. If money was not a factor, I would use the pro1's, but the OP says he is getting these type S cams for a good deal. I would also always upgrade the valvesprings when upgrading cams. Stock valvesprings have been known to bind up with lift as high as the pro1's.

[HatchHero]

well I'm telling you from my personal experience, the type S cams alone will make a noticeable gain in power. The pistons in a JDM H22A type S have 11/0:1C/R, the base JDM H22A have 10.6:1 C/R, and the USDM H22A has 10.0:1.

Upgrading pistons is not an easy thing to do in a H22A since it has FRM sleeves and can't be bored and in most cases can't be honed. You pretty much have to resleeve the engine, or hope that your cylinders are in good enough condition that you can do a very light hone and run standard sized type S pistons.


yes fiber reinforced matrix sleeves are a pain but the strongest for NA application.. someone with skill (GOOD SKILL) can hone a h22. only company that i know of is mahle that has pistons that mate with frm!

[allmotoronly]

yes fiber reinforced matrix sleeves are a pain but the strongest for NA application.. someone with skill (GOOD SKILL) can hone a h22. only company that i know of is mahle that has pistons that mate with frm!
yea mahle pistons are coated. The reason FRM sleeves are hard to hone is because on top of the fiber material there is a coat of chromoly steel. Thats what the piston rings contact. The FRM itself is too soft. If you hone the chromoly too thin it will wear though to the FRM material and your engine will have massive amounts of blow-by and will lose compression very quickly.

[HatchHero]

yea when I was building my H22A's there the PRO1's weren't even out yet. If money was not a factor, I would use the pro1's, but the OP says he is getting these type S cams for a good deal. I would also always upgrade the valvesprings when upgrading cams. Stock valvesprings have been known to bind up with lift as high as the pro1's.



Bind at 8200!! h22 got big displacment!! thats why they stop makin power at 7600! stay under 8 and stock valvetrain is fine!! if you bread to go ahead and upgrade!!:goodjob:

[HatchHero]

My friend is selling OEM Type S Cam,Cam Gear,Valve,Spring, and Retainers for fairly cheap to me. Wondering if this will be a Direct Fitment.



get em!!!!

[IndianStig]

how much did you gain with type-s cams allmotoronly?

yah premature wear is gonna be there with any cams but ehhh. what do you think about the bc cams?

[xbn83]

I've been running "drop in" type S cams for around 60k mi now with completely stock valve train, and no problem so far. I have a 5th gen.

[allmotoronly]

how much did you gain with type-s cams allmotoronly?

yah premature wear is gonna be there with any cams but ehhh. what do you think about the bc cams?

I picked up somewhere around 10hp or so. This was like 4 or 5 years ago now so It's getting a little hard to remember which parts added how much power since I swapped parts so much...

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

i agree fully with allmotoronly type s cams if you can pistons and euro r intake mani is a great oem motor build for an h22

[G.C]

ok i just bought the Cams,Cam Gears,Retainers, Valves, and springs for 100$$ :). I color coated just incase it gets mixed up. one color for intake one color for exhaust. i'll install these probably in a month.

[JDM_EJ6]

So wats the best cams for a h22

[G.C]

make your own thread please.

[JDM_EJ6]

Ok ok mane ill make my own thread

[IndianStig]

why should he make his own thread? you alredy bought your cams.....

[G.C]

why should he make his own thread? you alredy bought your cams.....

so he will get more responses. :screwy:

[HatchHero]

lol

[BB1_Luda]

ok i just bought the Cams,Cam Gears,Retainers, Valves, and springs for 100$$ :)
Hellova deal.

[IndianStig]

Hellova deal.

agreed.


also, best cams on stock valve train is skunk2 pro1's

[G.C]

IndianStig Did you finally get your self another lude? i know its offtopic but :) . and reps to all the guys.

[IndianStig]

IndianStig Did you finally get your self another lude? i know its offtopic but :) . and reps to all the guys.

will likely get one in the near future. im looking at a 5th gen at 2:30 today! God, i'm starting to like my accord though, so easy to drive, great mileage just needs AC or for me to go ahead and boost it. comfortable too, goddamn.


oh yah, i got pulled over last night, cop thought it was a 2003

[UBERGRMN]

Ive had a stock H22A4 and the EuroR H22A with the redtop typeS head......dont really notice that much of a difference. would NEVER blow my money on such a mild upgrade. Id get Skunk2 Pro2 cams instead. and if i wanted to be really hardcore get the Pro3's with a built motor.....but NA motors are a waste of money IMO

[IndianStig]

Ive had a stock H22A4 and the EuroR H22A with the redtop typeS head......dont really notice that much of a difference. would NEVER blow my money on such a mild upgrade. Id get Skunk2 Pro2 cams instead. and if i wanted to be really hardcore get the Pro3's with a built motor.....but NA motors are a waste of money IMO

lol, so true

[Ludester]

Upgrading pistons is not an easy thing to do in a H22A since it has FRM sleeves and can't be bored and in most cases can't be honed. You pretty much have to resleeve the engine, or hope that your cylinders are in good enough condition that you can do a very light hone and run standard sized type S pistons.


allmotoronly holdin in down as usual. just quoted this to emphesize on the, "not so easy to install type s pistons" comment becuase even the rispins are different. so when buy the type s pistons you have to make sure you get those too because you can't get them from your local honda dealer store. and on top of that most places that have type s pistons are selling the over bored ones so you'd have to completely resleeve which in my honest opinion is not worth it if you're not looking to make serious power.


It's funny cause I built 3 h22's as well and 1 of them the bottom end failed because of bearings as well lol. I sold one and I still have one. that one I don't know what I want to do with it yet.

great thread! it's good to see actual factual info on I.A.

ps you right about the honta-tech comment lol.

[allmotoronly]

allmotoronly holdin in down as usual. just quoted this to emphesize on the, "not so easy to install type s pistons" comment becuase even the rispins are different. so when buy the type s pistons you have to make sure you get those too because you can't get them from your local honda dealer store. and on top of that most places that have type s pistons are selling the over bored ones so you'd have to completely resleeve which in my honest opinion is not worth it if you're not looking to make serious power.


It's funny cause I built 3 h22's as well and 1 of them the bottom end failed because of bearings as well lol. I sold one and I still have one. that one I don't know what I want to do with it yet.

great thread! it's good to see actual factual info on I.A.

ps you right about the honta-tech comment lol.

yea I forgot to mention the wrist pins. Eagle makes rods specially for the type S pistons. They are the ESP series and come with wrist pins.

You are correct about resleeving not being worth it. Unless someone is looking to build a high boost turbo engine, or a very high compression N/A engine, it's really not worth the $1000+ it costs to get a H22A resleeved.