TO ALL THE ZR1 LOVERS! LOL@ PRICETAG

[Vteckidd]

yup, more than a lambo


http://jalopnik.com/396780/dea...13000


Dealer Gouging Reportedly Sends 2009 Corvette ZR1 To Amazingly Insane Price Of $413,000

The 2009 Corvette ZR1, GM's new mega-powered super car, will reportedly only be offered to the top 338 Chevy dealers nationwide. That effectively shuts out the other 3,594 from the chance of offering one to enthusiastic fans of the bowtied brand. We guess that explains the four-times-the-price gouging we're hearing about from potential customers. That's right, although the 638 HP 2009 ZR1 gets a price tag of $103,300 ($105,000 with the $1,700 gas guzzler tax) and Corvette engineers asking dealers to respect the MSRP, we've received at least one report from a reader of being told that despite his down payment 2 1/2 years ago, he'd have to put up between two and four times the MSRP to get one in his garage. If that number is accurate, the street price will be somewhere between $206,600 and $413,200 for Zee Really fast One. Full report from our tipster looking for recourse from someone — anyone — after the jump.

"I put a deposit down for the 2009 ZR1 about 2 1/2 years ago at "my" chevy dealer from whom I have bought many GM cars, including trucks, vettes. I have probably bought 15+ GM vehicles over the years. I was told 2 1/2 years ago that the price for this "iffy" car would be around the same ratio as the 5K overcharge I paid for my 2006 Z06.
I was called to order my ZR1 yesterday since I was #1 on the allocation list of this dealer's 4 allocations. I was told that by the way the price would be between 2-4 times the MSRP. Tadge Juechter, the Chief of Corvette Engineering, has urged GM ZR1 dealers to respect the MSRP. I am very upset with the greed and disregard for customer loyalty in a down economy. Is there any recourse?"

We wish there were — although we'll be forwarding on your complaint to the good folks at Chevy to ask them their thoughts. At the very least it definitely shows a demand for the highest priced car in the General's storied history, doesn't it? (Hat tip to Roger!) [via Automotive News (sub. req.)]

[OneSlow5pt0]

well i mean it is faster than a lambo.................but damn thats messed up

[Hollowmon]

Thats messed up!!

[greasemunkey]

lambo=black rapper zr-1=whitey with too much money

[87 Turbo II]

well that just put the GT-R WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY ahead.

[Alan®]

yup, more than a lambo

Really not surprised. GM currently has 3 billion dollars in debt that it has to refinance over the next couple of years.

I knew it was going to be around 200k but damn 400k. That's ****ed up. I am in the car business and it's stuff like this that makesw me hate this job. This is one form of business just seems to have absolutely no sense of ethics.

[JITB]

I mean the Zr-1 is gonna be alot more exclusive and rare than the GTR, so its expected.. how many zr1's will be made? anyone know?

[SouthSide Tay]

I mean the Zr-1 is gonna be alot more exclusive and rare than the GTR, so its expected.. how many zr1's will be made? anyone know?
who the **** cars how many ZR1s they make they are charging u 2-4 times more than what its worth? thats just stupid IMHO

:2up: :2up: GM can suck a fat **** :2up: :2up:

[87 Turbo II]

I mean the Zr-1 is gonna be alot more exclusive and rare than the GTR, so its expected.. how many zr1's will be made? anyone know?
I'd rather own a car built by people with the ethics to not FREAKIN double or even quadruple the price! I mean, no doubt, the GT-R will get some dealer inflations, but that's ridiculous.

[Alan®]

production numbers are set at 2k worldwide for this year

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/06/corvette-zr1-production-set-at-2-000-units-worldwide/

[JITB]

I mean the older (94)Zr-1 was twice as much as the normal vette.

And Why do you all blame GM for the price inflation.. Its the dealer... Gm sells them for 110k, and dealers are hiking it up....as usual.

Remember when the gtr was advertised for 80k, with a 20-30k markup and you all went nuts at the thought of it being 100k at the dealer.

lol IA, i will go crazy trying to understand you alls logic!!!

[SouthSide Tay]

production numbers are set at 2k worldwide for this year

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/06/corvette-zr1-production-set-at-2-000-units-worldwide/
they will go up for next year if sales are good enough this year which im sure there already sold out of something hasnt even been delivered yet

[tron]

I mean the older (94)Zr-1 was twice as much as the normal vette.

And Why do you all blame GM for the price inflation.. Its the dealer... Gm sells them for 110k, and dealers are hiking it up....as usual.

Remember when the gtr was advertised for 80k, with a 20-30k markup and you all went nuts at the thought of it being 100k at the dealer.

lol IA, i will go crazy trying to understand you alls logic!!!


20-30k markup is way less than increasing the price 3 -4 times MSRP
but i get what your hinting at but lets face it IA is cheap and hate high prices

[_Christian_]

I mean the older (94)Zr-1 was twice as much as the normal vette.

And Why do you all blame GM for the price inflation.. Its the dealer... Gm sells them for 110k, and dealers are hiking it up....as usual.

Remember when the gtr was advertised for 80k, with a 20-30k markup and you all went nuts at the thought of it being 100k at the dealer.

lol IA, i will go crazy trying to understand you alls logic!!!
Big difference btw 25% markup and 200-400% markup.:screwy:

[JITB]

I dont know i just dont see the big issue over the car having crazy markup, ZR1 is in a different tier of special production vehicle than the GTR. maybe not performance wise, but thru the car world it is. The V-spec is gonna have a crazy markup on it, with its limited production model. they will all get sold regardless..

[man]

well that just put the GT-R WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY ahead.

It's still slower so I dont see how

[_Christian_]

I dont know i just dont see the big issue over the car having crazy markup, ZR1 is in a different tier of special production vehicle than the GTR. maybe not performance wise, but thru the car world it is. The V-spec is gonna have a crazy markup on it, with its limited production model. they will all get sold regardless..
im sure there are 2000 fanbois/collectors with enough cheese. i just know if made a down payment on one, i'd tell the dealer to suck it and go italian.

[JITB]

i heard the paint on the Zr1 is 60,000$ a gallon...lol

and the first Zr1 sold on barret Jackson for 1 million... :eek:

[_Christian_]

i heard the paint on the Zr1 is 60,000$ a gallon...lol

and the first Zr1 sold on barret Jackson for 1 million... :eek:
ajc auto show?:D

[nsany(atl)]

don't forget the $6,000 brake pads and the $24,000 complete brake service

[Brett]

Even if dealers mark them up that much, they will still have everyone of them sold before they even make it to the lot.

[Vteckidd]

jitb is right its the dealer marking the car up not gm. Gm has actually pushed for the cost to stay near msrp

[tony]

I think we are about to see the quickest depreciation of any vehicle around.. a GM for $400k? I'd LOVE to see the resale on that.

[All Stock]

Really not surprised. GM currently has 3 billion dollars in debt that it has to refinance over the next couple of years.I knew it was going to be around 200k but damn 400k. That's ****ed up. I am in the car business and it's stuff like this that makesw me hate this job. This is one form of business just seems to have absolutely no sense of ethics.What are you, a lot boy or something? If you worked inside the building, then you'd understand that there is a difference between what GM makes and what the dealership makes. The dealer can sell a car to the consumer for whatever amount of money they like, and it won't change what they had to pay GM for it.

Of course, volume sales turns into rebates which would effectively lower the per unit price, but that's a different issue.

[DieselNuts]

Really not surprised. GM currently has 3 billion dollars in debt that it has to refinance over the next couple of years.I knew it was going to be around 200k but damn 400k. That's ****ed up. I am in the car business and it's stuff like this that makesw me hate this job. This is one form of business just seems to have absolutely no sense of ethics.
BUT ITS NOT GM DOING IT, ITS THE DEALERSHIPS

SORRY FOR CAPS LOCK, IM AT WORK...

[iloveboost]

Some of you people are morons. If it's overpriced, then people won't buy it, right? It's obviously worth $400k to someone.

As JITB said, it's the dealers marking them up, not GM. People will pay that money so why not charge it? Any of you would do the same if you had a car people were willing to pay 3 times the cost for.

[Vteckidd]

its def not worth $400,000 but i can see it going for $150,000-$200,000 in lines with the exotic supercars

[Elbow]

lambo=black rapper zr-1=whitey with too much money

No, rappers don't own Lambos only rent, too many complicated pieces for them to figure out.

[Nissangeek]

Really not surprised. GM currently has 3 billion dollars in debt that it has to refinance over the next couple of years.I knew it was going to be around 200k but damn 400k. That's ****ed up. I am in the car business and it's stuff like this that makesw me hate this job. This is one form of business just seems to have absolutely no sense of ethics.

The price gouging won't make any difference for GM b/c the dealers get that extra profit, not GM. Thats a good $300,000 in the dealers pocket.

[chhs_lax]

Anyone who pays 400k for a zr-1 is a moron and deserves to pay the markup for being a douche.

[green91]

You can have a Carrera GT for that kinda money. While its definitely a sick car, its still a corvette at the end of the day.

[Mike Lowrey]

$400k for an vette? :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao:


It is not even worth half that! lol @ the stupid american public who think it is worth $400k.

[UpSideDownDesi]

lol lol lol...i can see the them as Dealership ornaments for a while.

[.blank cd]

i heard the paint on the Zr1 is 60,000$ a gallon...lol

and the first Zr1 sold on barret Jackson for 1 million... :eek:The paint itself does not cost $60,000. The additive they used to paint the exposed carbon pieces to keep it from fading over the years in the sun costs $60,000/gallon.. and they only used a 3% concentration of the additive with the clear coat. The exterior paint is normal paint.

[Sport1.3]

i'd rather spend the extra cash, i'd rather not have a car every f@ggot and his mother could afford.

[chhs_lax]

i'd rather spend the extra cash, i'd rather not have a car every f@ggot and his mother could afford.

Lol, no offense, but you probably do drive a car "every f@ggot and their mother" can afford so your point is invalid.

[Sport1.3]

Lol, no offense, but you probably do drive a car "every f@ggot and their mother" can afford so your point is invalid.


:lmfao: touche


but the point still stands. If i had the funds to buy either car (since this is obviously a GTR vs ZR1 thread) i would rather spend alittle more cash and get something really unique

[chhs_lax]

I understand what you mean. I can't really choose between a zr1 and a gtr, they both have things I like. But the zr1 wins for now because of the stick.

[4DRGSR]

Some of you people are morons. If it's overpriced, then people won't buy it, right? It's obviously worth $400k to someone.

As JITB said, it's the dealers marking them up, not GM. People will pay that money so why not charge it? Any of you would do the same if you had a car people were willing to pay 3 times the cost for.

Truth! I remember when the c6zo6 came out. Bob richards chevy in Augusta charged $120,000 or more. The ironic thing is we bought them at the Manheim auto auction in Manheim, Pa for 45k each, brand new. Chevy screwed themselves by letting the dealers do this. I loled after i bought my third one of the day for 38k with a whopping 5k miles on it. Cars are only worth as much as people are willing to pay for them.

[Got Milk?]

One sold at a auction for 1,000,000.

[Alan®]

yea sorry i ment to put the comment about gm's debt seperately but eh. anyways any one that pays close to a hlaf million for a 120k car is an idiot.

[Roadster]

Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot. Unless they were born into it or inherited it, but we all know that if it were one of us with that kind of money, it'd definitely be burning a hole in our pockets too. I'll be the first to admit that I'm jealous of those that get to see a ZR1 in the garage.

But when it comes down to the driving experience aspect of the Corvette vs. GT-R debate, I'd still take a damn ZO6 (instead of ZR1, because the prices are realistically comparable) over the GT-R--even if it is slower in showroom stock numbers--, because at least the Vette still lets the driver do the driving. The GT-R is an appliance, not a sports car. ;)

[Alan®]

Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot. Unless they were born into it or inherited it, but we all know that if it were one of us with that kind of money, it'd definitely be burning a hole in our pockets too. I'll be the first to admit that I'm jealous of those that get to see a ZR1 in the garage.

But when it comes down to the driving experience aspect of the Corvette vs. GT-R debate, I'd still take a damn ZO6 (instead of ZR1, because the prices are realistically comparable) over the GT-R--even if it is slower in showroom stock numbers--, because at least the Vette still lets the driver do the driving. The GT-R is an appliance, not a sports car. ;)
:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: You're kidding right? The GTR is an appliance? Tell that to Ferrari, who has more systems than a GTR, that what they produce isn't a sports car it's a toaster oven.


Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot.
This statement is incomplete.

Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot. But anyone who does needs to donate the $400k to charity. At the end of the day it's still just a corvette. IMHO GTR>Z06>ZR-1.


on a car probably isn't an idiot. Unless they were born into it or inherited it, but we all know that if it were one of us with that kind of money, it'd definitely be burning a hole in our pockets too. Yes it would be but not on a ZR-1. I'd buy:
GTR-$70k
Supra-$30
Ferrari 550 Barchetta-$200k
Maseratti Quatroportte-$100

[Roadster]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: You're kidding right? The GTR is an appliance? Tell that to Ferrari, who has more systems than a GTR, that what they produce isn't a sports car it's a toaster oven.



No need to get all worked up, I'm just old fashioned. I get a lot more into the man/machine connection than I do into dropping a bunch of money on a car that does all of it for you and doesn't let you make it your own. And on that score, the Z06 beats the GT-R for me. A few simple mods (because the Vette will actually allow it) and it'll outrun the GT-R. But yeah, stock for stock the GT-R is incredible.

But I guess everything is going to end up being nothing but techno-wizardry eventually, it's just the natural progression.

I'm really in awe of how much grip and speed they can get out of the GT-R and all of the other supercars that are riddled with computers these days, but it very nearly takes the driver out of the picture and that kills the fun for me. :D

[Deke]

It's not the dealers fault that the price is so high. It's the dumbass middle age men with too much money and not enough sense. If it weren't for the fact that someone would buy it, it wouldn't be so outrageous.

If they are indeed being sold for that much, the people buying them are no longer doing it just for performance. They're doing it for status.

[MongolPup]

Really not surprised. GM currently has 3 billion dollars in debt that it has to refinance over the next couple of years.I knew it was going to be around 200k but damn 400k. That's ****ed up. I am in the car business and it's stuff like this that makesw me hate this job. This is one form of business just seems to have absolutely no sense of ethics.

Sorry, but this logic is BEYOND flawed. GM will not profit from the dealers charging way over sticker; they sold the dealership the car at the cost they set. The owner of the dealership isn't going to say "hey, we made extra money on this car, let's send it back to GM!". GM isn't selling the car for that much, the dealerships are.

[man]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: You're kidding right? The GTR is an appliance? Tell that to Ferrari, who has more systems than a GTR, that what they produce isn't a sports car it's a toaster oven.

A Ferrari is still a drivers car though. The GT-R is fast but from what I've seen it doesn't look that exciting to drive.

Some people are drivers, some just like going fast.

[Alan®]

Sorry, but this logic is BEYOND flawed. GM will not profit from the dealers charging way over sticker; they sold the dealership the car at the cost they set. The owner of the dealership isn't going to say "hey, we made extra money on this car, let's send it back to GM!". GM isn't selling the car for that much, the dealerships are.
you must have missed where i said i meant to seperate the first sentence.

[MongolPup]

you must have missed where i said i meant to seperate the first sentence.

I went ahead and edited it for you, thanks for clearing that up.

I'm still slightly confused as to why GM being in debt means that when dealers try to rip people off you aren't surprised. I was under the impression that every dealership, no matter the brand or how successful they are, is out there to make as much money as possible.

[Alan®]

I went ahead and edited it for you, thanks for clearing that up.

I'm still slightly confused as to why GM being in debt means that when dealers try to rip people off you aren't surprised. I was under the impression that every dealership, no matter the brand or how successful they are, is out there to make as much money as possible.
Let me rephrase entirely what I meant.

I'm not entirely surprised that they are going for what they are going for. That being said with GM 5 billion in debt I'm also not surprised that they asked for the dealers to honor the sticker price for PR reasons but, hey I mean if you're a dealer and know you have something that billy bob down the road will pay close to a half million for wouldn't you try to sell it for that? I'm in car sales and the saying goes selling a car is like trying to hook up with a chick. You don't know if you can hook up with her on the first date if you don't ask.

[MongolPup]

Let me rephrase entirely what I meant.

I'm not entirely surprised that they are going for what they are going for. That being said with GM 5 billion in debt I'm also not surprised that they asked for the dealers to honor the sticker price for PR reasons but, hey I mean if you're a dealer and know you have something that billy bob down the road will pay close to a half million for wouldn't you try to sell it for that? I'm in car sales and the saying goes selling a car is like trying to hook up with a chick. You don't know if you can hook up with her on the first date if you don't ask.

Ah, that is MUCH better wording. Thanks, I see now where you are coming from. Your first post did a miserable job of conveying all that.

[Alan®]

Ah, that is MUCH better wording. Thanks, I see now where you are coming from. Your first post did a miserable of conveying all that.
yea i know i was kinda distracted when I first posted it.

[Elbow]

:lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: You're kidding right? The GTR is an appliance? Tell that to Ferrari, who has more systems than a GTR, that what they produce isn't a sports car it's a toaster oven.


This statement is incomplete.

Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot. But anyone who does needs to donate the $400k to charity. At the end of the day it's still just a corvette. IMHO GTR>Z06>ZR-1.

Yes it would be but not on a ZR-1. I'd buy:
GTR-$70k
Supra-$30
Ferrari 550 Barchetta-$200k
Maseratti Quatroportte-$100

You are a DUMB ASS sir.

A Ferrari is a toaster oven? Right. Not anyone cand drive a Ferrari fast, and they even make cars where NOTHING is on it, raw ****! The GTR is a PIECE, over priced Japanese piece of ****. Comparing the ZR1 and GTR is like comparing a F430 and a Civic SI.

[Alan®]

You are a DUMB ASS sir.

A Ferrari is a toaster oven? Right. Not anyone cand drive a Ferrari fast, and they even make cars where NOTHING is on it, raw ****! The GTR is a PIECE, over priced Japanese piece of ****. Comparing the ZR1 and GTR is like comparing a F430 and a Civic SI.
:rolleyes: Reading comprehension is key my friend. I didn't say that the ferrari is a toaster oven. I said that calling the GTR an appliance is like calling a ferrari a toaster oven.

I would still hardly call the GTR a piece. And obviously the comparisson can be made since GM were the ones to call it out. If they didn't want people to compare the two they wouldn't have called it out. THE ZR-1 has 100+ hp on the GTR and only ran a marginally faster lap time than a base GTR. The spec v will blow it out of the water no question.

[Truegiant]

well i am hoping all the c6 zo6 owners buy one so i can pick up a clean used z06 off of someone~!~ anywho..

[chhs_lax]

You are a DUMB ASS sir.

A Ferrari is a toaster oven? Right. Not anyone cand drive a Ferrari fast, and they even make cars where NOTHING is on it, raw ****! The GTR is a PIECE, over priced Japanese piece of ****. Comparing the ZR1 and GTR is like comparing a F430 and a Civic SI.

If the GTR is a piece what's that make your Miata? I'm not trying to insult you or anything but that's just an incredibly retarded statement to make. You're just saying that for the sake of being a douchebag, you don't have any substantial evidence that would make a GTR a "piece" as you called it.

[OneSlow5pt0]

miata is a eurpeon piece

[Roadster]

The GT-R is a speed appliance. I guess that's a little more specific to the point. It does the going fast for you and makes you look like you know what you're doing.

I don't see why people can't see the real point here though. Yes, the GT-R is faster than the Z06 stock for stock, and only a little bit behind the ZR1.

But what people forget is that the Vette is a muscle car. Muscle cars have, throughout the ages, been sold as a starting point that can be vastly improved upon. The Z06 is no different. The GT-R, however, doesn't allow much tinkering. It would take very very little to make even the Z06 soundly outrun a GT-R.

But I'm sure once somebody makes a Z06 faster than a GT-R, or some other company one-up's Nissan, everyone will start harping on about the GT-R getting better gas mileage or some BS, anything to keep it in the lead on something.

[chhs_lax]

The GT-R is a speed appliance. I guess that's a little more specific to the point. It does the going fast for you and makes you look like you know what you're doing.

I don't see why people can't see the real point here though. Yes, the GT-R is faster than the Z06 stock for stock, and only a little bit behind the ZR1.

But what people forget is that the Vette is a muscle car. Muscle cars have, throughout the ages, been sold as a starting point that can be vastly improved upon. The Z06 is no different. The GT-R, however, doesn't allow much tinkering. It would take very very little to make even the Z06 soundly outrun a GT-R.

But I'm sure once somebody makes a Z06 faster than a GT-R, or some other company one-up's Nissan, everyone will start harping on about the GT-R getting better gas mileage or some BS, anything to keep it in the lead on something.

That's what sucks about the GTR. Older skylines were like muscle cars as you said, what you got was good, but you have the potential for 1000 hp if you want it. The new GTR completely misses the point in that aspect.

[Alan®]

That's what sucks about the GTR. Older skylines were like muscle cars as you said, what you got was good, but you have the potential for 1000 hp if you want it. The new GTR completely misses the point in that aspect.
The new motor has plenty of potential and with it being the pinacle of driving technology it just makes it that much better. If you saw the new top gear from this past week every engine is unique and the transmissions are unique to each motor. Although the motors from the factory are rated at 480 supposedly they were dynoed at even more than that. I wouldn't be surprised to see a stock motor 1000whp GTR in the next year.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i just hate those VQ engines so much

[JITB]

im about 3 more retarded posts from un subscribing.... :(

[EJ25RUN]

G.m. brands are the worst at ridiculous price markup.

I remember when the Pontiac G8 first came out, dealers wanted 8K over MSRP. I laugh at the fact GM will ever get to where they once were. Its like the end of the British motor industry is in sight for American brands.