So who's responsible for 9/11?

[type_r]

Who do you think is truly responsible for 9/11? Please only respond if you have actually looked into evidence that has emerged. I dont want the "you must be ****ing stupid with that conspiracy **** blah blah blah" because if you say that you obviously haven't given it a second thought. Discuss.

[MistaCee]

I believe it was Al Qeada. But the government was warned and didn't take steps to protect the country.

[One_Bad_SHO]

Who do you think is truly responsible for 9/11? Please only respond if you have actually looked into evidence that has emerged. I dont want the "you must be ****ing stupid with that conspiracy **** blah blah blah" because if you say that you obviously haven't given it a second thought. Discuss.

These types of threads usually don't end well. ****, they dont even begin well.

"Bush and the Govt are responsible for it! omg I have a small penis! Its bushs fault! Hurricanes are coming! The levees arnt strong enough! I blame Bush!"

Bla bla bla bla****ing bla. The anti-american/govt Micheal Moore Nazis will not convince patriotic Americans, or any American with a good head on their shoulders of their conspiracy theories and vice-versa.

This thread will just go on and on with people giving links to support their theories countered by other links to denounce said theory...thisisthesongthatneverendsanditgoesonando nmyfriendssomepeoplestartedsingingitnotknowingwhat itwasandtheycontinuedsingingitforeverjustbecauseth isisthesongthatneverendsanditgoesonandonmyfriendss omepeople...

Fahrenheit 9/11 was punched in the face by the release of Fahrenhype 9/11.

Besides, isnt it funner just to point the finger and the towel heads anyway?

[TheDarkRacer]

^^ its funnier to point and laugh, but when its time to get serious well... its time to get serious.
Why is going against anything on the news considered a "conspiracy" and therefore false?
Do you know how much BS is fed through the new? Well im sure you have some idea, but its really sad.
But do you care that your given rights are no longer protected by the amendment if the government suspects you of planing/aiding/having any part of "terrorism"?

Anyways, I feel that the government knew about it ahead of time, and saw themselves making more $$ in the long run, and being able to get falsely elected puppet back in office for 4 more year so they could fatten their pockets, and they did nothing to prevent anything. Then they shot some missiles into the ground ect, to say what happened to the other planes flying around. but im just making sutff up now lol.
~TDR

[One_Bad_SHO]

WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON!!!

KIM KARDASHIANS BUTT IS MADE OF BANANA PUDDING!

[MistaCee]

WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON!!!

KIM KARDASHIANS BUTT IS MADE OF BANANA PUDDING!

Lirl! That explains why I want piece of dat ass:idb:

[type_r]

These types of threads usually don't end well. ****, they dont even begin well.

"Bush and the Govt are responsible for it! omg I have a small penis! Its bushs fault! Hurricanes are coming! The levees arnt strong enough! I blame Bush!"

Bla bla bla bla****ing bla. The anti-american/govt Micheal Moore Nazis will not convince patriotic Americans, or any American with a good head on their shoulders of their conspiracy theories and vice-versa.

This thread will just go on and on with people giving links to support their theories countered by other links to denounce said theory...thisisthesongthatneverendsanditgoesonando nmyfriendssomepeoplestartedsingingitnotknowingwhat itwasandtheycontinuedsingingitforeverjustbecauseth isisthesongthatneverendsanditgoesonandonmyfriendss omepeople...

Fahrenheit 9/11 was punched in the face by the release of Fahrenhype 9/11.

Besides, isnt it funner just to point the finger and the towel heads anyway?

Lol.......as if I ever mentioned Bush's name. Bush is too big of an idiot to be responsible, but only an idiot would accept the facts given by the government. Do you have any idea what the 9/11 commision left out? I dare you to logically explain the way those buildings collapsed(including WTC 7, which the 9/11 commission failed to even mention), the confiscation of Pentagon tapes by the FBI, the lack of any action taken when it was realized the planes were hijacked, and also the complete absence of any bodies or actual parts from a plane from the crash that missed their supposed targets. But then again, I have a small penis so your means of reasoning must be more intelligent:thinking: People like you put nazis like Bush in office. And "American with a good head on their shoulders" might as well be an oxymoron because that count is running drastically low. Truth is authority, the authority is not the truth.

[jew_boy]

i think it all the rag heads fault, now if there you have been a democrat in the office he would be blamed for it to. no mater what happens in america if something bad happens then the have to put the blame on somebody

[0p7!mu5]

ok with 9/11 i believe its like this we knew. Clinton knew. Read the report. They've been going back and forth on Osama for years. We had him in our sights damn near prosecuted him but ultimately let him go. I think it was truly a reap what you sow situation from the 80's when al Quiada was formed. Bush was the fall guy, the idiot who just happened 2 be in office when this happened. Madeline Albright told both Clinton and Bush to put hole in his head. As for the last plane that crashed in pennsylvannia. Yeah i got news for ya it was shot down. truly look at the wreckage. If the damn plane hit the ground all that jet fuel loulda left a decent crater and there would have been larger wreckage left on the ground. every report i saw there was debris but not nearly as large as it should have been on a plane that size. besides honestly do you really think the govt would let a hijacked plane near the white house? Get real they made a judgement call. I personally belive they didnt think we were goin to get hit like that but still a major lapse in judgement like that is a lil difficult to swallow considering the technology we have and how tightly we guard our airspace especially in DC. somethin was just fishy to me. Now the war on the other hand is simple economics. Look back in history. The majority of the time when the economy is headed for a downturn we go into some sort of armed conflict. WWII despite pearl harbor we fought hard and it created jobs, Desert storm, and now Iraq. the economy was down maybe not as bad as the depression or now but still armed conflict followed. It happens once a generation really. Just my thoughts on it

[One_Bad_SHO]

Lol.......as if I ever mentioned Bush's name. Bush is too big of an idiot to be responsible, but only an idiot would accept the facts given by the government. Do you have any idea what the 9/11 commision left out? I dare you to logically explain the way those buildings collapsed(including WTC 7, which the 9/11 commission failed to even mention), the confiscation of Pentagon tapes by the FBI, the lack of any action taken when it was realized the planes were hijacked, and also the complete absence of any bodies or actual parts from a plane from the crash that missed their supposed targets. But then again, I have a small penis so your means of reasoning must be more intelligent:thinking: People like you put nazis like Bush in office. And "American with a good head on their shoulders" might as well be an oxymoron because that count is running drastically low. Truth is authority, the authority is not the truth.

Gear down big shifter. Don't be so soft. Nothing was personally directed towards you, sister.

My point was (as if it wasn't obvious by my initial post) that there are two sides to this "debate." Neither side will convince the other of what THEY believe. This topic has been beat to hell, worldwide, for years. Nothing new will come of it.

You believe your "facts" to be true based on "evidence" that has been put together by the common folk and conspiracy theorists, published on the internet. The next guy believes his "facts" to be true based on "evidence" provided by the common folk and govt officials, etc etc.

Google is your friend. Your answers are out there.

"It has been suggested that the buildings should have tipped over (like what happens when a building falls over in an earthquake) onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made.

First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself.

Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure.

Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity.

To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down."




That was copy/paste from Google. See, now aht YOu would do is go to google and find something to counteract that and then copy/paste it. Bla bla bla bla****ing bla.

I wish I could reps myself sometimes.

[One_Bad_SHO]

i think it all the rag heads fault, now if there you have been a democrat in the office he would be blamed for it to. no mater what happens in america if something bad happens then the have to put the blame on somebody

Its easy to point fingers. :goodjob:

[type_r]

www.zeitgeistmovie.com (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com)
Fast forward to about 10 or so minutes into it and watch the 9/11 segment and tell me you dont have some questions. I'm not trying to say Bush did it or anything but there are so many holes in the explanation that's been given. It's pretty hard for me to be the average ignorant American and ignor facts like this. Our government possibly committed an atrocious violation against humanity that robbed families of their loved ones, yet noone will look into it? I'm sorry but our country has officially fallen apart. America needs to wake up and smell the bullsh it.

[One_Bad_SHO]

Hey... look on the bright side guys. Atleast we're not french.

:gay:

[One_Bad_SHO]

www.zeitgeistmovie.com (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com)
Fast forward to about 10 or so minutes into it and watch the 9/11 segment and tell me you dont have some questions.

I won't waste my time. I'm sure it has some pretty cool stuff and/or editing. I too, can sit here and post videos to back my beliefs.

Its not rocket science. The conspiracy theorists post their videos with their "evidence" and "facts"... and then the other guys take that video and rip it apart piece by piece with their "evidence" and "facts".

[0p7!mu5]

Lol.......as if I ever mentioned Bush's name. Bush is too big of an idiot to be responsible, but only an idiot would accept the facts given by the government. Do you have any idea what the 9/11 commision left out? I dare you to logically explain the way those buildings collapsed(including WTC 7, which the 9/11 commission failed to even mention), the confiscation of Pentagon tapes by the FBI, the lack of any action taken when it was realized the planes were hijacked, and also the complete absence of any bodies or actual parts from a plane from the crash that missed their supposed targets. But then again, I have a small penis so your means of reasoning must be more intelligent:thinking: People like you put nazis like Bush in office. And "American with a good head on their shoulders" might as well be an oxymoron because that count is running drastically low. Truth is authority, the authority is not the truth.
reps!! it is true an intelligence failure that big should never happen. Especially on our end. Has anybody really been o the capital? There were planes all over the place there when i went in 2000 i stayed the summer out there, same on '01 when i went to visit family there. that airspace is paced with military 24/7 you cant tell me some dude got lucky enough to make it through that security that easily without there being an inside man or somebody seriously slipping that hard. it may have been a set up but i bet they didnt expect this much. the real question is how is it that nobody seems to realize that we went from Osama to Saddam and hardly anybody raised a question about it til after we tore Iraq a new one? Its like Osama and AL Quaiad are not as important anymore as say Iran or North Korean's governments... makes me wonder:rolleyes:

[One_Bad_SHO]

fyi... Building 7 was a truss structure that was built weaker due to an electrical substation that was under it. The substation was built with a footing designed to hold a building much smaller then what building 7 ended up being. In order to accommodate this larger structure on a smaller footing, they used trusses. There is an old saying in the fire department, “never trust a truss”, as they are weaker structures. TO make matters even worse the fire department was ineffective at fighting the fire in the building because they had lost such a significant number of their force when the towers collapsed.

When the fire department is referring to pulling a building, they mean, “pulling the plug” or “pulling out”. Basically meaning that they were going to cease to even attempt to fight the fire any longer, cut their losses, and allow the fire to consume the structure until it failed on its own.

If that doesnt explain how/why WTC7 fell, then the next step is to blame Isaac Newton for inventing gravity. :lmfao:

[One_Bad_SHO]

NEVER TRUST A TRUSS!! (http://jfischweb.com/blog/2007/07/06/never-trust-a-truss-bad-week-for-our-safety-stand-down/)

Every day it is getting more and more dangerous with fires burning hotter due to the use of synthetic materials that put off more BTUs coupled with the combination of cheaper building using light weight construction, mainly the truss. Charlston, SC firefighters battled their commercial fire in a light-weight truss constructed commercial structure that failed in just 30 minutes! I know many brothers can remember back in the 1970s battling fires for hours in structures due to their solid heavy construction, however those days are over. I can only see our industry going towards fighting fires from the outside as long as there is no life hazard. It is just too dangers anymore, so as safety stand down week passes hopefully we have gotten a real good idea of the dangers of our job and just how dangerous it is fighting fires in light weight construction as well as what we interpret as just easily getting off a ladder. Hopefully these very tragic incidents will show us just how important is is to look at safety.
I can not say all was tragic this week, seeing my cousin graduating probie school! My cousin will join myself on Engine 33-12 and continue our family tradition of firefighting. As the lead instructor said at the ceremony, “Welcome to the greatest profession on earth” and this is by far still true. I just hope my brothers have a safe stand-down week and continue to stay safe. Remember: “Never Trust a Truss!”

[One_Bad_SHO]

Ok Ok... I'm done. I'm done.

As stated earlier, this will end up being a copy/paste war where both sides lose because in the end, we all still belive what we believe.

I'm done.

Carry on, soldiers of truth, carry on.

[2turbo4u]

Have you noticed that the only time you hear about Al-jazeera is when Osama make a threat. When any of his top men makes a statement they just pops up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA&feature=related

[type_r]

That wouldn't explain the collapse from the middle that was identical to a purposeful demolition of a building....

[jew_boy]

Its easy to point fingers. :goodjob:

exactly thats all america is about

[tony]

Most of them were Israeli.. follow the money and I'm sure there are dirty hands in the current administration but for the most part I'm sure it leads to Al Qaeda.

[type_r]

Eh, maybe Al Qaeda was manily responsible. But without our government paying them or something would it really have just ended at 9/11? If 9/11 was truly a terroristic act then it obviously wouldn't have ended, we could get attacked now. Our government is too busy with their heads up their asses sniffing for money that they dont realize we are still vulnerable. Nothing has changed since 9/11, the war on terror is a joke. It's an absolute joke. The United States will never defeat terrorism as it isn't even a threat, if it was there would be buildings blowing up all over the country.

[type_r]

exactly thats all america is about

You better not be saying that to go against that notion because you definitely just said "it's the rag heads fault." If that isn't an excellent example of pointing fingers/good ol southern racism I dont know what is.

[Got Milk?]

who gives a ****. 2 buildings go down, than in next few years a whole country guys down some where else. So yea, bush did show everyone that we dont **** around if you attack our country.

But from watching videos, and some facts i think it was all an inside job.

[Alan®]

This is an excerpt from a paper I wrote earlier in the year.


The U.S. needs to stay out of foreign affairs that have no immediate national security threat to us which would cause us to take military action for many reason. One of which being that we have a tendency to make enemies as we “fight for the greater good”. Case in point, Osama Bin Laden and the Attacks on 9/11. Osama Bin Laden’s hatred for the U.S. did not come overnight however; it did begin over 20 years ago during the Invasion of Afghanistan by Russia during the Cold War. On July 3rd, 1979 President Carter signed an order to secretly aid the Afghanistan Rebel’s to push out the Russian’s(Intervention). In an interview ten years ago the then head of the CIA was asked if he regretted supporting Islamic Radicalists to which he responded “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?” (Intervention). It is during this time that he founded Al Qaeda and began setting up training camps in Afghanistan which resulted in the recruitment and training of 5,000 members creating cells in 50 countries across the globe(Who Is). At the end of the Soviet invasion he moved back to Saudi Arabia to join his family and their construction company. His stay there however did not last long due largely in part of the fact that the 1993 bombings of the World Trade Center buildings were linked to Al Qaeda. The link resulted in the loss of his citizenship in that country and being disowned by his own family. Al Qaeda over this time grew in numbers and strength and the attacks became worse. His new strength came from new relationships with a Lebanese terrorist who was wanted for kidnappings named Imad Mugniyah, and an Egyptian named Ayman Zawahiri(Who Is). By 1998 he had been linked to several embassy bombings in Africa and finally the precursor to 9/11 the attacks on the U.S.S. Cole(Who Is).

[allmotoronly]

I can't believe you made a thread about this. I mean seriously... do you really think that George Bush had something to do with 9/11???? All the REAL evidence says that it was Al Qaeda all the way. There was some evidence that Al Qaeda was planning "something" but there was really no way to prevent it. I mean what was the government supposed to do? They had no idea what form of attack that the terrorists were planning.

Osama Bin Laden has been a known anti-US radical muslim for at least 20 years. Bill Clinton had the opportunity to have bin laden dealth with, but he decided not to. I could say that 9/11 was clinton's fault for not intervening with bin laden in the first place.

They are called conspiracies for a reason... because they are not proven to be true.

[Spektrewing386]

The whole butterfly effect of this has been brewing since the late 80's when Osama went to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets with his vast wealth and embraced radical fundamentalism Islam. He was kicked out of multiple countries and moved back to Afghanistan. He allied himself with the just forming Taliban and helped them gain control of the country. 2 days before 9/11 Osama tricked the last big opposer (who could do anything) to the Taliban in having an interview. During that interview, one of the cameras exploded and killed the last threat to Mullah Omar.

Its pretty clear that Al-Qaeda is responsible for it. His groups was responsible for most of the terrorist acts in the past 15 years across the world. Its also clear that he is hiding in Pakistan where the USA cant legally go or is dead, or is in a giant glass bubble on the floor of the Indian Ocean.

He is a crazy man. It is what happens when crazy people get money and have an influence. He has even been disowned by his family.

[BanginJimmy]

I love conspiracy theories. They make me laugh.

[preferredduck]

it was **** cheney!! those buildings were pulled, wtc 7 went down a feew hours afterwards and the man who owned the buildings admitted they were pulled(wtc 7 was the headquarters fir the fbi, stock market etc) and it takes months to pull a building not a few hours. Marvin Bush was head of security until sept 11th, thats in barbara bushe's book. ask any pilot whe flies a jumbo jet and they will tell u it is impossible tp fly a plane over a hwy and over the pentagon lawn. bad sho look up the firefighters tapes from that day)it only took 6yrs to be public, there were people on the floor above the fire alive and talking on the phone. firefighters were even on the floor and said send up TWO hoses and we will have this out. if it is hot enouigh to melt the building then how and the hell can someone be at the fire!!! I don't believe the media b/c it is all controlled by 1 man so we see what they want, and too many people made too much $ that day. it's all abt the benjamins. Things just don't make sense on anything that happened that day. im out do some research ppl and u decide.

[preferredduck]

The whole butterfly effect of this has been brewing since the late 80's when Osama went to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets with his vast wealth and embraced radical fundamentalism Islam. He was kicked out of multiple countries and moved back to Afghanistan. He allied himself with the just forming Taliban and helped them gain control of the country. 2 days before 9/11 Osama tricked the last big opposer (who could do anything) to the Taliban in having an interview. During that interview, one of the cameras exploded and killed the last threat to Mullah Omar.

Its pretty clear that Al-Qaeda is responsible for it. His groups was responsible for most of the terrorist acts in the past 15 years across the world. Its also clear that he is hiding in Pakistan where the USA cant legally go or is dead, or is in a giant glass bubble on the floor of the Indian Ocean.

He is a crazy man. It is what happens when crazy people get money and have an influence. He has even been disowned by his family.

dude lets not go start another war, we cant afford the one we are in as it is. reminds mo of vietnam, there is no point b/c we will be there til 2020.

btw my dad and brother were both in the military(military brat) so im not bashing, but even my father and coworkers on base think something is very fishy.

[One_Bad_SHO]

it was **** cheney!! those buildings were pulled, wtc 7 went down a feew hours afterwards and the man who owned the buildings admitted they were pulled(wtc 7 was the headquarters fir the fbi, stock market etc) and it takes months to pull a building not a few hours. Marvin Bush was head of security until sept 11th, thats in barbara bushe's book. ask any pilot whe flies a jumbo jet and they will tell u it is impossible tp fly a plane over a hwy and over the pentagon lawn. bad sho look up the firefighters tapes from that day)it only took 6yrs to be public, there were people on the floor above the fire alive and talking on the phone. firefighters were even on the floor and said send up TWO hoses and we will have this out. if it is hot enouigh to melt the building then how and the hell can someone be at the fire!!! I don't believe the media b/c it is all controlled by 1 man so we see what they want, and too many people made too much $ that day. it's all abt the benjamins. Things just don't make sense on anything that happened that day. im out do some research ppl and u decide.
fyi... Building 7 was a truss structure that was built weaker due to an electrical substation that was under it. The substation was built with a footing designed to hold a building much smaller then what building 7 ended up being. In order to accommodate this larger structure on a smaller footing, they used trusses. There is an old saying in the fire department, “never trust a truss”, as they are weaker structures. TO make matters even worse the fire department was ineffective at fighting the fire in the building because they had lost such a significant number of their force when the towers collapsed.

When the fire department is referring to pulling a building, they mean, “pulling the plug” or “pulling out”. Basically meaning that they were going to cease to even attempt to fight the fire any longer, cut their losses, and allow the fire to consume the structure until it failed on its own.

If that doesnt explain how/why WTC7 fell, then the next step is to blame Isaac Newton for inventing gravity. :lmfao:

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[One_Bad_SHO]

btw my dad and brother were both in the military(military brat) so im not bashing, but even my father and coworkers on base think something is very fishy.

My sister is a captain in the US Air Force in Military Intel, my father served 33 years in the Air Force, I have severeal Uncles/Aunts/Cousins in the military. etc etc etc... and they dont think there is anything fishy about the terroristic activities that took place.

You have no point. Everyone knows someone with different beliefs on the events that took place on that eleventh day of September. Doesnt matter who the **** they are or what they do.

[tony]

my dad can beat up your dad

[One_Bad_SHO]

my dad can beat up your dad

My car can haul more groceries than yours.

[Alan®]

this thread is ridiculous.

[mad3nch1na]

bin laden durr

[Spektrewing386]

dude lets not go start another war, we cant afford the one we are in as it is. reminds mo of vietnam, there is no point b/c we will be there til 2020.

btw my dad and brother were both in the military(military brat) so im not bashing, but even my father and coworkers on base think something is very fishy.



start another war? im just stating facts. Just because he is in Pakistan doesnt mean we should air drop 10,000 troops into Islamabad or something. We are already at war with Al-Qaeda, so how can we start another war Al-Qaeda? Im just saying, that after interviewing terrorists we captured, they said that Osama slipped out of tora bora in november/december 2001.

[mad3nch1na]

America likes to wage wars that can not be won.
First the "War on Communism" with Korea, Vietnam, and now "The War on TERROR".
You can not defeat the Mujahideen, because they are not institutionalized, they have no country, they are not of a corporeal state. Because as soon as America thinks she has "won" the War on Terror, all the Mujahideen have to do is send 2 men to the most remote part of the world and publicly claim they are terrorists and the US will be obligated to send all kind of commando groups, nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers, and spend millions. The objective of 9/11 was to send a message with the initiative to destroy America economically. The Mujahideen have bled the Soviets to collapse and will bleed America until we have a leader smart enough to stop the bleeding and leave.

[preferredduck]

i read all the posts, things just don't make much sense. go listen to the firefighters and 911 calls that were finally released. like i said earlier if a man can stand on the floor above the fire in wtc, then there is no way the fire is hot enough to melt steel that melts at like 3700 C, jet fuel burns at 1800 C and most of that was gone instantly. i'm not gonna try to convince anybody but the evidence does not add up. when you have engineers, pilots, etc that say that is not right it makes you wonder. i would love to see a jet fly 50ft off the ground for a mile or more, it would crash long before its target. i don't know the details of the truss in the building. NORAD WTF!! where were those guys at. $$$$$ is what it comes down to. the man who owns the building made 2.5 billion that day on insurance that was revised months earlier for terrorist attacks. corruption is everywhere in politics and i would hate to see soldiers get screwed for someone to make a buck. WAR=$$, write that down.

[preferredduck]

my dad can beat up your dad

my da can beat up ypur dad while hauling groceries!!!!

[preferredduck]

my dad can beat up your dad

my dad can beat up opur dad while hauling groceries!!!!

[Spektrewing386]

steal doesnt have to melt to make a structure collapse. All it does it need to bend and a structure can fail. Combined with high winds that are present at skyscraper levels giving the fire more oxygen. To fail, steel just needs to bend and have a load on it.

[Sport1.3]

LOL@ someone just watching zeitgeist or similiar anti-american gorilla media

[Sport1.3]

steal doesnt have to melt to make a structure collapse. All it does it need to bend and a structure can fail. Combined with high winds that are present at skyscraper levels giving the fire more oxygen. To fail, steel just needs to bend and have a load on it.


@50% of steels melting point it loses something like 70% of its tensile strength, according to the popular mechanics investigation. Though i doesnt explain the molten river of steel below most the ruble.


Either way this is a stupid argument. Like trying to tell a devout christian that god really doesnt exist :no:

[DecoyOctopus]

it was the us government, if you dont beleive it then go kill yourlsef but before you do go to you tube and watch loose change

[On_Her_Face]

Lol.......as if I ever mentioned Bush's name. Bush is too big of an idiot to be responsible, but only an idiot would accept the facts given by the government. Do you have any idea what the 9/11 commision left out? I dare you to logically explain the way those buildings collapsed(including WTC 7, which the 9/11 commission failed to even mention), the confiscation of Pentagon tapes by the FBI, the lack of any action taken when it was realized the planes were hijacked, and also the complete absence of any bodies or actual parts from a plane from the crash that missed their supposed targets. But then again, I have a small penis so your means of reasoning must be more intelligent:thinking: People like you put nazis like Bush in office. And "American with a good head on their shoulders" might as well be an oxymoron because that count is running drastically low. Truth is authority, the authority is not the truth.

LOL this sounds like somebody just watched "Loose Change"

[Sport1.3]

it was the us government, if you dont beleive it then go kill yourlsef but before you do go to you tube and watch loose change

Loose change is full of holes, it gives you no real ground to argue. Try www.Zeitgeistmovie.com it will get you believing even more retarded reverse fear mongered Bologna

:lmfao:

[preferredduck]

Loose change is full of holes, it gives you no real ground to argue. Try www.Zeitgeistmovie.com it will get you believing even more retarded reverse fear mongered Bologna

:lmfao:

i have heard of this film. my only point is too much $$ being made off the event. both sides of this story have too many holes. another thing that has always bothered me, i know the top of a building is heavy as hell, but at some point in the fall wouldn't it have maybe gone to the side instead of pancaking down. other buildings have been on fire for 24+hrs and the steel structure remained and did not fall so who really knows, watch the bohemian grove or whatever the spelling. its a place in california where all the worlds leaders go and do some freaky **** $$$$$$$$$$$

[blacknightteg]

there were explosives on the the floors, it was a controlled demolition of the twin towers. they even showed a video of the puffs of smoke from the floors collapse as it went down. they only showed it once on the news on one station and NEVER showed it again.

i love my country and all an will never hate on it, but the fact that a government could do something so stupid and kill 3000 people, its just dumb.

[Sport1.3]

there were explosives on the the floors, it was a controlled demolition of the twin towers. they even showed a video of the puffs of smoke from the floors collapse as it went down. they only showed it once on the news on one station and NEVER showed it again.

i love my country and all an will never hate on it, but the fact that a government could do something so stupid and kill 3000 people, its just dumb.

what ab WTC7 :D *stirs the **** pot* :D

[On_Her_Face]

there were explosives on the the floors, it was a controlled demolition of the twin towers. they even showed a video of the puffs of smoke from the floors collapse as it went down. they only showed it once on the news on one station and NEVER showed it again.

i love my country and all an will never hate on it, but the fact that a government could do something so stupid and kill 3000 people, its just dumb.

i've seen that where the puffs of smoke and stuff come out before the floors fall, however there is air on those floors and it has to go somewhere when the floor above is falling on top of it.

[Alan®]

i've seen that where the puffs of smoke and stuff come out before the floors fall, however there is air on those floors and it has to go somewhere when the floor above is falling on top of it.
Ok let me "try" to put this issue to rest since it seems not very many people actually know that much about how the towers were designed.

Unlike most buildings where the building is supported by steel structures INSIDE THE BUILDING the WTC towers were supported by the EXOSKELETON. The Stainless Steel beams on the outside of the towers were what were holding them up they weren't just asthetics. Each floor with the exception of the loby was a wide open 1 acre layout with only the elevator shafts and stairs taking up space. The reason the buildings went down was that there plenty of **** inside the building that was burnable. The fires traveled up wards causing the floor supports to give. The windows blowing out on each floor above the fire that everyone keeps talking about. That was an individual floor colapsing. the fire spread up and down and the floors simply panckaed on top of eachother until finally gravity and inertia took over causing the buildings to come down.

Also take into account that these buildings were designed 30 years ago and were designed to withstand the impact of a 707. The planes used on 9/11 were much larger.

[0p7!mu5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&NR=1
just something i saw and thought was interesting... will find more **** later

[preferredduck]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9905EEDE1531F93AA35752C1A9649C8B 63

new york time article

http://www.prisonplanet.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_firefighterstape.html

bs website article

these folks have more balls than i will rnning into burning buildings!! these guys know there stuff abt fire and tall buildings.

[preferredduck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&NR=1
just something i saw and thought was interesting... will find more **** later

on the explosion, marvin bush, yes related to gw was the head of security at WTC, that is in barbara bush's book. :police:

[Spektrewing386]

For God's sake people. For all you people. This video will answer ALL your questions about 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[preferredduck]

For God's sake people. For all you people. This video will answer ALL your questions about 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

LOLOLOLOL :lmfao: that answered all my questions!!!

[mad3nch1na]

it was the us government, if you dont beleive it then go kill yourlsef but before you do go to you tube and watch loose change
Why do you say its the government, and what incentives do they have.
Don't just say something with out backing it up.

I personally don't think its the government, because if it was, it would be very public. Look at Water gate, look at Monica Lewinsky, the government is bad at covering **** up. Its people like you that are blind to the facts. Give credit where credit is due, sticking your head up your ass and saying the government did it just distracts you from the next possible attack.

[On_Her_Face]

Ok let me "try" to put this issue to rest since it seems not very many people actually know that much about how the towers were designed.

Unlike most buildings where the building is supported by steel structures INSIDE THE BUILDING the WTC towers were supported by the EXOSKELETON. The Stainless Steel beams on the outside of the towers were what were holding them up they weren't just asthetics. Each floor with the exception of the loby was a wide open 1 acre layout with only the elevator shafts and stairs taking up space. The reason the buildings went down was that there plenty of **** inside the building that was burnable. The fires traveled up wards causing the floor supports to give. The windows blowing out on each floor above the fire that everyone keeps talking about. That was an individual floor colapsing. the fire spread up and down and the floors simply panckaed on top of eachother until finally gravity and inertia took over causing the buildings to come down.

Also take into account that these buildings were designed 30 years ago and were designed to withstand the impact of a 707. The planes used on 9/11 were much larger.


LOL i can't tell if you are backing me up or not.. however very informative post on things i did not know, reps.

[0p7!mu5]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBYnUyx4kw8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6R1RtzB7z4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USnxe7hxP4I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU&feature=related (weird rather interesting but weird)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_mExzPcS-I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DfCS11hy4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySQF6P33trc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J0PI8vCH50&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1uBI-KXsRM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C_bPBdn31o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0FVeqCX6z8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o&feature=related (again interesting)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8aOiMmekGk&feature=related (oh holy **** this was good)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg&feature=related (bhutto interview osama dead??)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ&feature=related (the full interview)





Its a lil interesting to hear both ends of the argument before you decide something

[mad3nch1na]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8aO...feature=related (oh holy **** this was good)
Great video dude

[mad3nch1na]

Honestly I don't think the truth really matters, because whatever it is, our lives will not change. You have to ask your self "how far do you want to venture the rabbit hole?" some of the stuff has credence on both sides, but stray too far and you may lose touch with all reality. Play it safe and say the government was not involved, its not sheep mentality when you recognize the situation. Stating the opposite on a public board such as this one or any other publicly accessible web page could lead to future problems including but not limited to employment opportunities. Now days employers search your myspace and facebook and any other info of the "real you".

[0p7!mu5]

why is why i posted both ends of the argument

[Blitanicle99]

Alright I didn't really read the thread but heres my part.

All those who watched the great "Zietgiest" (spelling?) movie are idiots. Go look up the religious part and its full of complete crap they mistranslated and misused so they could attack christianity. For instance the "three kings" was never translated into three stars. The funny thing is Zietgiest actually goes on and reproves christainity through the use of the RFI chip (research this if you don't know about it) because of the mention of the mark of the beast in the bible. The Movie puts on a loophole that attacks easy things, religion, the government, 9/11 and so on.

Also, if you are smart enough with the 9/11 stuff. The news reports and fake. Download them and slow them down. The news reports were chopped up and dubbed over.




As for who is responsible for 9/11, I have no side in. It makes more sense that a bunch of towel heads whose bible/koran states that if they meet another human who isnt muslim, they must kill them.... probably had something to do with it then our own corrupt government. Just looking at something as simple as the business world or the true understanding of american capital, you can have quite a bit of faith in the government.