somebody just tried to break into my house

[s13slider®]

me and my mom just walked in ( about an hour ago ) and the dogs were goin crazy at the back door . so i told my mom to hand me her gun (380) and proceeded outback . some stupid mother****er was climbing up a ladder to MY window . i told him to ****ing freeze and he reached behind him so i popped off a warning round . well he jumped off the ladder( 10ft at the most ) and ran . so we called the police and now they are trying to find him. messed up thing is i live in a nice ****ing neigherborhood . ever since the buses run from atl to douglasville , we have had problems . im bout to say **** this and move farther out towards bama.

[Wurm]

you should have said "reach for the sky dirtbag"

[s13slider®]

you should have said "reach for the sky dirtbag"

lol +1 ,but for real i cant belive how ghetto this **** is getting .

[BABY J]

When he reached behind him, you should have put one in him. SERIOUSLY - he coulda definitely dropped a few in you man. THA F*CK are people thinkin.

Is that ladder always there, or did he move it to get it up to the window??

[Master Shake]

should have just pushed the ladder over and beat his_ass old skool style.

[s13slider®]

When he reached behind him, you should have put one in him. SERIOUSLY - he coulda definitely dropped a few in you man. THA F*CK are people thinkin.

Is that ladder always there, or did he move it to get it up to the window??

laddar was in the basement , he moved it , and my mom just got her gun license and she was informed you had to give a warning shot , she just didnt have what it takes to pull the trigger . i'm kinda owrried bout her packin , i think if she has to pull it , it will get taken from her , from lack of guts.

[Pebbles]

that sucks! My apt almost got broken into a week after I moved in it. My bro was home at the time and the guys knocked..my bro looked through the peep hole didn't recognize the 2 guys so didn't answer, but stood at the door to see what they were going to do. Well i have 2 dogs which they heard bark, and my brother heard one of the guys say "i'm not scared of no dog, if anything we will just run".

my bro had to leave for work not long after that, and he saw one of the guys standing in the parking lot near his car..as soon as my bro starts to pull off he sees the guy get something out of his car and walk down the breezeway towards the apt..my brother pulls a reverse back to look down the breezeway to see what the dude is doing..the guy looks back sees my brother and takes off running..yells for his buddy who was in the building next to us, get in the car and speeds off.

CRAZY!

[s13slider®]

should have just pushed the ladder over and beat his_ass old skool style.

bout 12 ft from our back deck to my window , that would have been a little hard.

[s13slider®]

that sucks! My apt almost got broken into a week after I moved in it. My bro was home at the time and the guys knocked..my bro looked through the peep hole didn't recognize the 2 guys so didn't answer, but stood at the door to see what they were going to do. Well i have 2 dogs which they heard bark, and my brother heard one of the guys say "i'm not scared of no dog, if anything we will just run".

my bro had to leave for work not long after that, and he saw one of the guys standing in the parking lot near his car..as soon as my bro starts to pull off he sees the guy get something out of his car and walk down the breezeway towards the apt..my brother pulls a reverse back to look down the breezeway to see what the dude is doing..the guy looks back sees my brother and takes off running..yells for his buddy who was in the building next to us, get in the car and speeds off.

CRAZY!

yea its crazy when you actually experience it . its just that i never thought it would really happen .

[Spektrewing386]

that warning shot could have gone anywhere and hurt someone... its happened... so next time put one in his leg.

[Master Shake]

bout 12 ft from our back deck to my window , that would have been a little hard.who said anything about pushng it away from the house. to the side would work.
once that ladder starts to tip or something. more than likely he's gonna bail.

[s13slider®]

that warning shot could have gone anywhere and hurt someone... its happened... so next time put one in his leg.

warning shot was at the ground .

[Pebbles]

yea its crazy when you actually experience it . its just that i never thought it would really happen .

yeah i know..when me and julio first moved in together our apt had gotten broken into..this was back in '05...worst feeling ever. he was the one who came home and went to put the key in the door and as soon as he did that the door just opened...

you definitely don't feel safe after that.

[s13slider®]

who said anything about pushng it away from the house. to the side would work.
once that ladder starts to tip or something. more than likely he's gonna bail.

**** when i shot , he bailed anyways . 10 ft isnt very far . i left my window open so i guess you could say it was gonna happen sooner or later but still . either way it felt good bout to shoot a motherfuccer. that was more adrenaline then when i went skydivin.

[B16a2 Civic]

Put a warning shot in dat ass next time

[s13slider®]

yeah i know..when me and julio first moved in together our apt had gotten broken into..this was back in '05...worst feeling ever. he was the one who came home and went to put the key in the door and as soon as he did that the door just opened...

you definitely don't feel safe after that.

yea i will never fell safe again but on a side not , you and julio are together ? call me a noob if you want .

[BABY J]

Put a warning shot in dat ass next time


LOL - that sig gets me everytime - never get's old. What the HELL was he thnkin' - oh I kno, he wasn't.

[B16a2 Civic]

Lil wayne aint never thinkin son!


But really, should have popped one off in him

[NewGen33]

it takes a thief FTW

[BABY J]

No - I REALLY wanna know what the_fuk he was thinkin. I mean - did he have a gangsta Michael Jackson relapse or what? LOL

[EssAreTwenTee]

They are tearing down the projects downtown so all the people are moving to the suburbs. I was planning on selling my house and moving towards carroll or paulding but then the housing market took a dump. Get a big dog. I have a shepherd and no one even walks on the same side of the road as my house.

[changaroo]

put the ladder back out there, this time saw the last few steps in half. :D

[s13slider®]

They are tearing down the projects downtown so all the people are moving to the suburbs. I was planning on selling my house and moving towards carroll or paulding but then the housing market took a dump. Get a big dog. I have a shepherd and no one even walks on the same side of the road as my house.

welli do have a big black lab but i only got 2 other min pins other than that and even though they can bite like no other , they're not very intimadating.

[Wurm]

set up some traps like home alone

[OneSlow5pt0]

set up some traps like home alone

x2....nothin says b.itch slap like a paint can in your face

[Revmaynard]

Damn man, someone broke into our apartment last year when we were out and my girlfriends dad was asleep on the couch. They took my PS2, some dvds/games, and some speakers. It sucked because he said he didn't hear a damn thing.

[Wurm]

x2....nothin says b.itch slap like a paint can in your face
hot iron to head

[OneSlow5pt0]

hot iron to head

flamethrower:yes: :yes:

[BABY J]

I prefer the follow him to the bathroom method and wait till he takes his d.ick out to piss. f*ck --> Ken Shamrock won't even fight you with his d.ick out. His number one thought will be "save d.ick, save d.ick, save d.ick" while you proceed to beat him senseless.:goodjob:

[EM1toEVO]

That is so messed up! I think I would have just wounded him(arm, leg, etc.) unless he was packin' too. I keep my samurai sword near the bed just in case someone feels like breaking in. I would have some fun, ninja gaiden style, on their a$$!

[s13slider®]

That is so messed up! I think I would have just wounded him(arm, leg, etc.) unless he was packin' too. I keep my samurai sword near the bed just in case someone feels like breaking in. I would have some fun, ninja gaiden style, on their a$$!

:ninja: styl would have been fun , i just didnt have time for that .

[ATK_Designs]

damn, that's messed up man. Glad you and your mom are okay. Just gotta be extra careful from now on.

[EssAreTwenTee]

Damn man, someone broke into our apartment last year when we were out and my girlfriends dad was asleep on the couch. They took my PS2, some dvds/games, and some speakers. It sucked because he said he didn't hear a damn thing.
renters insurance ftw.

costs like $100 a year and comes in handy when they steal that priceless painting of mona lisa you had in the closet "cough cough"

[Julio]

damn noob...

warning shot.. like whos the **** watching.. I would shot his ass.. then when I see him in the ground... pop another one away..... then call the cops..

[BABY J]

^ troo story

[BB6dohcvtec]

that sux man, but douglasville looked kinda dirty and not safe when I was there about 4 months ago.

[Maniaç]

Next time run after him and whoop his ass! A warning shot, seems kinda weak. I mean, the dude could have had a gun also, im sure he wouldn't have fired a "warning" shot at you. Hope they catch that bastard.

[GSRteg®]

Ok, Im wondering something real quick... incase someone ever breaks in my house or tries could I shoot with no legal action towards me? BTW I do have a permit.

[GSRteg®]

Never mind found it! :goodjob:

Deadly Force

There are 3 code sections that govern when lethal or deadly force may lawfully be used.

Defense from a forcible felony; A person is justified in using force which may harm or kill only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or herself or a third person or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. You are not justified if you were the aggressor or you are/were/on-the-way-to committing a felony. (The state has pre-empted local cities and counties from further restricting this defense.)(16-3-21 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=3&section=21))



Defense of habitation; (here habitation means dwelling, motor vehicle, or place of business) A person is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if:
A person is breaking\has broken into your home in a violent and tumultuous manner, and you think that the intruder is going to assault you or someone else living there.
A person who is not a member of the family or household and who unlawfully and forcibly enters the residence and you know it is an unlawful entry.
The person using such force reasonably believes that the entry is made or attempted for the purpose of committing a felony therein and that such force is necessary to prevent the commission of the felony.
(16-3-23 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=3&section=23))


Defense of property other than habitation; Lethal force cannot be used to protect personal property unless the person using such force reasonably believes that it is necessary to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.(16-3-24 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=3&section=24))

(Stand Your Ground/Shoot First/License To Murder - went into effect July 1st, 2006) If you have determined you need to use lethal force (as stated in one of the underlined "Defense" sections immediatly above) you do not have to try to retreat before using that force. If your defense is valid, you are immune from criminal procecution (unless it is illegal to carry that weapon where you used it) and civil liability actions.(16-3-23.1 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=3&section=23.1), 16-3-24.2 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=3&section=24.2), 51-11-9 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=51&chapter=11&section=9))

[Stormhammer]

heh, I'll never forget when I was up in Ohio visiting my dad and we heard someone breaking into his townhome. My dad grabbed his handgun ( Glock 9mm ) and walked down to the top of the stairs as the guy was coming out and shot out his knee cap, the guy fell down the stairs, hit the bottom, my dad walked down to him, and proceeded to pistol whip him across teh head rendering him unconcious, then proceeded to call 911. The operator was a bit shocked lol.

[81911SC]

LOL^^^^^

[scttydb411]

should've went upstairs and waited for him to step in the window and fired your "warning" shot to the chest.

"officer, i was just laying here in my bed and see this guy crawling in my window and feared for my and my family's safety so i shot him". case closed.

[0p7!mu5]

man the minute the bastards hand moved it woulda been one in the spinal column..

[BABY J]

^^ .. and the prob with that is?

[GSRteg®]

heh, I'll never forget when I was up in Ohio visiting my dad and we heard someone breaking into his townhome. My dad grabbed his handgun ( Glock 9mm ) and walked down to the top of the stairs as the guy was coming out and shot out his knee cap, the guy fell down the stairs, hit the bottom, my dad walked down to him, and proceeded to pistol whip him across teh head rendering him unconcious, then proceeded to call 911. The operator was a bit shocked lol.

Yes, sir that's what I would do knee cap so he remembers me for life.

[Ruiner]

laddar was in the basement , he moved it , and my mom just got her gun license and she was informed you had to give a warning shot , she just didnt have what it takes to pull the trigger . i'm kinda owrried bout her packin , i think if she has to pull it , it will get taken from her , from lack of guts.

Some is lying; either you or your mom.

No place suggests firing off a warning shot. It just doesn't work that way.

[Smittie61984]

You should have waited until he got into the house. After that because of Georgia's Castle Laws it is game on for anyone breaking into your home. They could be butt naked holding a Peace Sign and you can kill them. Not outside your home but in your home yes.

Now if you were living in Massachusetts you would have had to of first attempted to flee on foot. And if say you were finally trapped in your attic and he maybe fired a couple of shots off at you then you can fight back with deadly force. But no suprise coming from a state Ted Kennedy runs.

[Leadfoot_mf]

no **** who said the warning had to come first. i really wish you would have shot him. now he is going to break into someone elses house and take their ****. ****in noob.

[Crazy Asian]

Nope you could have just shot right there on the premise. He's on your property. There is no warning shot.

[Ruiner]

Nope you could have just shot right there on the premise. He's on your property. There is no warning shot.

Like I said, something sounds fishy about all of this...

[coolcat]

I would have gone for the back of the kneecap, theives shouldn't be allowed to walk.

[OneSlow5pt0]

s.hit,i would have busted some bruce lee on that a.ss

[Crazy Asian]

Like I said, something sounds fishy about all of this...

True.

[deathrex]

Shoot to kill then u dont have any conflicting stories and u wont have to pay for the ****ers medical bills. Last time someone tryed to break into my house i just shot through the door theres a reason i have an 8 ft tall fence arround the back of the house aint nobody gunna jump that that i know.

[SicStang03]

Wait... So you say freeze and he reaches behind him?? Then you shoot the warning shot and he falls off the latter?? The you just watched him as he ran away?? WTF, shoot him when he starts to move or at least yell freeze and shoot the ground again...

I wouldn't have let him get away, the 5.0 will never find him

[s13slider®]

ruiner, you are alyways pretty accurate with what you say on here so i guess my mother was misinformed. and to everyone else i didnt just watch him run i did try to case him i just couldnt catch him .

[Crazy Asian]

Man if if it was me ahaha I would have snuck around hold in a bat...and then while he was still on the ladder I would have yanked that ladder underneath of him...letting him fall and then beat the crap out of him with the bat. Then spit on him while he's barely concious. HAHAHA but that's just me. I dont own a gun yet so...

[s13slider®]

Man if if it was me ahaha I would have snuck around hold in a bat...and then while he was still on the ladder I would have yanked that ladder underneath of him...letting him fall and then beat the crap out of him with the bat. Then spit on him while he's barely concious. HAHAHA but that's just me. I dont own a gun yet so...

after it happened i thought about what i could have done and that was one of them . when **** like that happens ,its very fast and you really just kinda do what first pops in your head.

[Ruiner]

I would have gone for the back of the kneecap, theives shouldn't be allowed to walk.

:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Have you ever shot a pistol before in your life? **** the pistol, have you ever tried to hit a moving target the size of a kneecap with your gun?

This isn't the movies...:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[Ruiner]

Shoot to kill then u dont have any conflicting stories and u wont have to pay for the ****ers medical bills. Last time someone tryed to break into my house i just shot through the door theres a reason i have an 8 ft tall fence arround the back of the house aint nobody gunna jump that that i know.

Actually, you shoot to STOP the threat. If you tell a police officer or DA that you shot to kill, they won't look favorably upon you.

[Ruiner]

ruiner, you are alyways pretty accurate with what you say on here so i guess my mother was misinformed. and to everyone else i didnt just watch him run i did try to case him i just couldnt catch him .

I can assure you that you never shoot a warning shot. You could honestly be charged with discharging a weapon inside of the city limits.

You could also hurt someone when the bullet comes back down as well (if you fire up). If you fire into the ground, the bullet might ricochet into something else.

You either shoot to stop the threat or you don't shoot at all.

[s13slider®]

I can assure you that you never shoot a warning shot. You could honestly be charged with discharging a weapon inside of the city limits.

You could also hurt someone when the bullet comes back down as well (if you fire up). If you fire into the ground, the bullet might ricochet into something else.

You either shoot to stop the threat or you don't shoot at all.

i understand what you're sayin , the **** just happened so quick i really didnt know what to do . by the way are you a lawyer or somethin ? seems to me like you know the law pretty damn well .

[Ruiner]

i understand what you're sayin , the **** just happened so quick i really didnt know what to do . by the way are you a lawyer or somethin ? seems to me like you know the law pretty damn well .

My brother and father are, but anyone can look up the GA code and/or case law (like all lawyers do). I grew up around the law, so you pick up on it (like all lawyers do as when you graduate law school, you aren't really skilled in any specific area of law - you need to learn your specialty in the real world for the most part).

I make it a point to know concealed weapon/handgun laws in GA as I need to know my rights for what I can/can't do. I don't want to go to jail.

[s13slider®]

My brother and father are, but anyone can look up the GA code and/or case law (like all lawyers do).

I make it a point to know concealed weapon/handgun laws in GA as I need to know my rights for what I can/can't do. I don't want to go to jail.

true +1 to you .

[BABY J]

I want to go. Can some1 take me? LOL

[s13slider®]

I want to go. Can some1 take me? LOL

drink some beer and go drive stupidly , you will go then . +1 for the attempt of funnyness.

[PRiMAdonna]

i would have shot his @ss while he was runnin.

[kpc2593]

should have shot him in the leg....don't worry....he can live with a gun shot in his leg...:rolleyes:

[quickdodge®]

I can't help but to think this story is just that...............a story. Sorry man, I do. Later, QD.

[Ruiner]

should have shot him in the leg....don't worry....he can live with a gun shot in his leg...:rolleyes:

Just like the last person... "Have you ever shot a pistol"?

[Ruiner]

Coolkat, I'll ask you ONE more time:


:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

Have you ever shot a pistol before in your life? **** the pistol, have you ever tried to hit a moving target the size of a kneecap with your gun?

This isn't the movies...:lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[81911SC]

Yea, Lol @ aiming for MOVING limbs/joints.

[Ruiner]

Yea, Lol @ aiming for MOVING limbs/joints.

Nothing makes me laugh harder than people that think that they can do this in a life/death situation. :lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:

[BABY J]

They do it on TV all the time RUINER - DUHHH!

[serforlife]

me and my mom just walked in ( about an hour ago ) and the dogs were goin crazy at the back door . so i told my mom to hand me her gun (380) and proceeded outback . some stupid mother****er was climbing up a ladder to MY window . i told him to ****ing freeze and he reached behind him so i popped off a warning round . well he jumped off the ladder( 10ft at the most ) and ran . so we called the police and now they are trying to find him. messed up thing is i live in a nice ****ing neigherborhood . ever since the buses run from atl to douglasville , we have had problems . im bout to say **** this and move farther out towards bama.

damn!:no:

[PSINXS]

if he was stationary and attempted to reach for a weapon, pop him a non lethal shot and call the police next time.

and lol at hitting moving limbs. before i started shooting i thought that is was easy too. I just tried to hunt the birds in my parents back yard and i missed everyone of them. moving target is hard as **** to hit without major practice. Stationary and i can put it between an object/persons eyes. I'm Better with rifles moreso than handguns

[Ruiner]

if he was stationary and attempted to reach for a weapon, pop him a non lethal shot and call the police next time.

and lol at hitting moving limbs. before i started shooting i thought that is was easy too. I just tried to hunt the birds in my parents back yard and i missed everyone of them. moving target is hard as **** to hit without major practice. Stationary and i can put it between an object/persons eyes. I'm Better with rifles moreso than handguns

A "non" lethal shot? Center mass might be lethal, then again, it might not. However, if you do have to shoot someone, ALWAYS go for center mass as that is the largest target.

[Smittie61984]

A "non" lethal shot? Center mass might be lethal, then again, it might not. However, if you do have to shoot someone, ALWAYS go for center mass as that is the largest target.

Very true. When guns do get fired it needs to be to kill. Becuase say you do shoot him in the leg. In that same time he could have been drawing a pistol and was going to aim for your heart. Yeah you got his leg. But now you are dead.

If you fire a gun at someone playtime is over.

And aiming for kneecaps that are moving. First off if you are firing a pistol at someone you are going to try to aim with an unstable platform(Your extended arms), have adreneline going making you even shakier and more unstable. Then you'll be squeezing a trigger causing your gun to move more. On top of trying to cordinate your eyes with yoru gun and a moving target of about 4"x4". You'd be lucky to get anywhere near the kneecaps.

[95ludestr]

yeah my house got robbed the day i got out for spring break. and it was my cousin ex. took all my **** and i dont trust anybody anymore. whats this world come to. at least you found the guy first before he took your stuff

[§treet_§peed]

you shoulda pushed the ladder over and then pistol whipped his ass til the police showed up

[Glides]

When he reached behind him, you should have put one in him. SERIOUSLY - he coulda definitely dropped a few in you man. THA F*CK are people thinkin.

Is that ladder always there, or did he move it to get it up to the window??

Yea, he should have shot a man on a ladder in his back yard. Then he could have gone to jail and gotten sued.

If you shoot someone you had better damm well kill em. And you had better do it INSIDE your house. Do it outside and any cop in the land will tell you, you will get ****ed. If you just shoot em and don't kill em, our superstart justice system will allow them to take all your ****, the very same stuff you shot them to try and defend.

Sorry buddy, the "Wild West" way of thinking just don't cut it no more.

[quickdodge®]

Sorry buddy, the "Wild West" way of thinking just don't cut it no more.

With the passing of the "stand your ground" law passed a couple of years ago, the "Wild West way of thinking" does cut it. But only in certain situations. This would NOT be that situation. Later, QD.

[Glides]

With the passing of the "stand your ground" law passed a couple of years ago, the "Wild West way of thinking" does cut it. But only in certain situations. This would NOT be that situation. Later, QD.

You are correct. I wasn't aware of that law. Interesting.

[Ruiner]

Yea, he should have shot a man on a ladder in his back yard. Then he could have gone to jail and gotten sued.

If you shoot someone you had better damm well kill em. And you had better do it INSIDE your house. Do it outside and any cop in the land will tell you, you will get ****ed. If you just shoot em and don't kill em, our superstart justice system will allow them to take all your ****, the very same stuff you shot them to try and defend.

Sorry buddy, the "Wild West" way of thinking just don't cut it no more.

Yes and no. Georgia has a "Stand your ground" (both in public and private) law now to go along with the Castle Doctrine.

["B"]

me and my mom just walked in ( about an hour ago ) and the dogs were goin crazy at the back door . so i told my mom to hand me her gun (380) and proceeded outback . some stupid mother****er was climbing up a ladder to MY window . i told him to ****ing freeze and he reached behind him so i popped off a warning round . well he jumped off the ladder( 10ft at the most ) and ran . so we called the police and now they are trying to find him. messed up thing is i live in a nice ****ing neigherborhood . ever since the buses run from atl to douglasville , we have had problems . im bout to say **** this and move farther out towards bama.

White, blonde hair, blue eyes. 6'2"

???

If so, it was not me. I SWEAR!!!

[5spdfrk]

i would have shot his @ss while he was runnin.
You had better hope he was running towards you, because if he was running away and you shot him, then you'd be the one going to jail.

[quickdodge®]

It's funny to read all the posts where someone would've actually shot the dude. Later, QD.

[Hulud]

and people wonder why certain counties dont want PT...

[Leadfoot_mf]

You had better hope he was running towards you, because if he was running away and you shot him, then you'd be the one going to jail.
naw just sprinkle crack on him. you be fine. :goodjob:

[s13slider®]

can someone please explain the "stand your ground" law ?

[Smittie61984]

can someone please explain the "stand your ground" law ?

In many states you are required to flee a confrontation. And you can only use deadly force if you are basically trapped in a alley with 20ft walls on all three sides and the person after you has a gun that you can clearly see is a weapon and not a fake gun before you can return deadly fire via firearm, knife, Bow&Arrow(wouldn't that be funny. He'd be telling his friends he robbed Robin Hood and he shot his ass with an arrow.), etc.

From what a cop told me this is what "Stand your Ground" means. Now it doesn't mean if someone tells you to F-off and they are walking towards you that you can shoot them. But say you get at a confrontation at a Redlight. Guy gets out with a Baseball bat and comes towards you. You pull a gun and point it at him. If he stops then you can't shoot him. But if he continues you can shoot him dead right there.

Not sure how accurate that is but that is what a cop told me.

[quickdodge®]

Not sure how accurate that is but that is what a cop told me.

I wouldn't go on the word of any policeman when it comes to most unconventional laws. As odd as it sounds, these guys don't know the complete laws themselves. You'd be best to look up the codes yourself and talking with higher ups than your beat officers. Later, QD.

[5spdfrk]

naw just sprinkle crack on him. you be fine. :goodjob: :doh:

[Smittie61984]

I wouldn't go on the word of any policeman when it comes to most unconventional laws. As odd as it sounds, these guys don't know the complete laws themselves. You'd be best to look up the codes yourself and talking with higher ups than your beat officers. Later, QD.

True. He admitted he wasn't too sure on it. I figured if a shooting did occure they'd arrest or atleast take the shooter into custody and let the lawyers and judges work it out.

Unfortunately many of these laws are too vague. And often times it's left up to lawyers, judges, and worste of all idiot jury members to figure crap out. I've read through some but I think I'd need to higher a lawyer just to explain it to me and even then lawyers aren't infallible.

I say a general rule wether you are right or wrong is do what it takes to survive. Even if you spend time in jail it's better than dead.