Real hp out of SOHC motor... possible?

[w3bcod3r]

Is it possible to get some real hp out of a SOHC motor... and if yes what would you do...?

[Vteckidd]

stock motor you can get 220-230 out of the VTEC engines

Non Vtec 180-200 is more realistic

they are fun cars if you do the turbo kit right an keep the turbo small!

[Bruce Leroy]

Is it possible to get some real hp out of a SOHC motor... and if yes what would you do...?

Don't you drive an accord? Whats "real hp"?

Boosted f22 will net you more power than a d.

Thread on h-t about boosted f22
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/1657517

[SoLJames95]

F is stronger then d. What Mike said about the motors on power in a d series is a lil high. 220 to 230 damn. That shit will blow up!

[blue_5g_zc]

why do so many people underestimate the D series? look on other sites and they make 300+ all day with built bottom ends and stock heads.

thats about all u need for a fast driveable daily

[EmminoDaGreat]

300+ d series dont last... i can show you...

[Kyle]

Casey made 285hp for about 30 minutes total.

[Bruce Leroy]

300+ d series dont last... i can show you...

Not a completely true statement. i know of d17's that have over 300whp for atleast a year. Granted they are built, but they are still d series.

[©hris]

Dezod has a 370whp D17

[©hris]

Gaining 350+ whp in a D17 EM2 would cost upwards of $10,000 or more w/ no sponsor hookups and having a shop do all of the work.

[bigdare23]

Casey made 285hp for about 30 minutes total.


:lmfao: I knew his name would come up sooner or later

[JDM onlyy]

stock motor you can get 220-230 out of the VTEC engines

Non Vtec 180-200 is more realistic

they are fun cars if you do the turbo kit right an keep the turbo small!

I knew a dude that made 280whp on a stock block and head....blew it to hell when the boost upped itself..Lol. Shit was pretty funny...he'd doing it again too....stock internals, only with a d16z6 this time. Before it was a Mini Me

[SoLJames95]

Been there done that. You wont even make 230 whp on stock internals for long time. You need to build and dont try to up boost past tune. Not worth it.

[w3bcod3r]

See thats the whole thing... i don't have time to bore the motor out or replace any critical parts for that matter... turbo or supercharger???
Whats the max psi would i be looking at anyhow... and no, im not expecting 20 ... maybe 13-15... sounds real or what?

[Bruce Leroy]

See thats the whole thing... i don't have time to bore the motor out or replace any critical parts for that matter... turbo or supercharger???
Whats the max psi would i be looking at anyhow... and no, im not expecting 20 ... maybe 13-15... sounds real or what?


You should be more concerned in mow much power you are going to make rather than how many psi your turbo is going to be pushing.

You should do some more research before you boost your motor. Or just take it to a shop who knows what they are doing.

This would be a great stock block street setup..


im the guy cd5 jeebies was talkin about with the t 3/4 on the accord. Its a t3/04e 48/60 with stage 3 57 trim wheel.

The 63 hot side is cool but WILL spool later. Ive got full boost by 33-3500, and it pulls like a train til redline. With all the new upgrades, im sure it will be even more brutal. Its GREAT on the street. i thought about running the 63 hot side, but decided against it, besides the stage 3 wheel in a 57 trim spools PERFECTLY in my EXPERIENCE...ask fatty.... he was grabbingfor shit to hold onto when i took him for a ride in it the first time. LOL

Stock block at 10 psi on a conservative tune got me 260 whp/270 tq. Car has run 13.89 w/ shitty 60 foots (2.3s), subs, PS, A/C, im fat, full interior on 17s.

Motor had 140000 on it when i boosted it. Ive BEATEN it for 6-7 months and around 20000 miles. I got a coolant pushing sit. goin, so i pulled the head, and the motor (sleeves-valves-pistons) still look really good. Tossing in some ARP head studs, new HG, got my exhaust mani ceramic coated, designed and built a new downpipe (coated and wrapped). 3 bar MAP, and a new tranny (H-23 for the shorter 2nd -5th gears). Not to mention the DELTA cam (hopefully it will be done thursday). Retuning for 13-14 psi, looking for 300+ whp on conservative tune

[SoLJames95]

^^
Thats different from a d series. That guy is runnin a f series from what it sounds like. I you will not make that on a d series at 10 pounds. I run 10 on a 1.5 D and I make 207 and 195. My friend runs a f series and runs 7 pounds and makes 220 and 216. All of this is on a Stock Block.

[Bruce Leroy]

^^
Thats different from a d series. That guy is runnin a f series from what it sounds like. I you will not make that on a d series at 10 pounds. I run 10 on a 1.5 D and I make 207 and 195. My friend runs a f series and runs 7 pounds and makes 220 and 216. All of this is on a Stock Block.

I know its a f series. I think the op drives an accord.

[SoLJames95]

gotcha!!!!

[superboost]

Tigger made 374hp out of a built d16 running 18psi. Just takes the right parts and setup.

the ford guys put down 500+whp all the time on SOHC and the volvo guys are making 400whp+ easily on SOHC.,

[B18c1Turboed]

Rota92 on h-t made 568 HP Single Cam @ 34 psi. His dyno chart



http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/hybrdthry911/synapse/sizedcomparison.jpg


D16z6
GT3567R .82
34 psi
Dynapack dyno

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/rota92/Pic1084.jpg

[Da_unknown]

^^^now thats some sick shiy right there

[JDM onlyy]

Rota92 on h-t made 568 HP Single Cam @ 34 psi. His dyno chart



http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/hybrdthry911/synapse/sizedcomparison.jpg


D16z6
GT3567R .82
34 psi
Dynapack dyno

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/rota92/Pic1084.jpg


Ummm WOW!!! Thats the shittt right there...I want that engine and set-up.

[SoLJames95]

Not a bad way to spend 10,000.

[RBS]

Full Race had a single cam D that put out 500+ hp with stock sleeves :rolleyes:

[bernard]

Full Race had a single cam D that put out 500+ hp with stock sleeves :rolleyes:

460 on stock sleeves but built bottom end. For a cheaper setup for the sohc. Run the vitara pistons and scat rods. And good rings. and block guard. Ported and polished head. Your good for some good numbers. The rest depends on you. Turbo kit, injectors exhaust. All has life in your hp numbers. Good luck on your decision.

[-S Double C-]

why do so many people underestimate the D series? look on other sites and they make 300+ all day with built bottom ends and stock heads.

thats about all u need for a fast driveable daily

actually d series vtec stock heads are good for 400whp all day long. You could tear open a d16 throw in 150 vitara pistons a set of tuner toy rods or eagle and basic oem stuff and put down 400whp with ease with less then a grand in your motor. And it would be SAFE if tuned right! There's a shitload of d16's on H-T putting down over 400whp on stock sleeves with vitara pistons. 500whp range with cp's and je's on sotck sleeves.

[C_R_X]

never knew hp and d-series could be used in the same sentences

[w3bcod3r]

shit up top ^^^ is fucking sick!!

[SLOWLYbtngU]

never knew hp and d-series could be used in the same sentences
I am with you...

[LSTurboHatch]

right now on hondatech is a bone stock d16z6 with arp headstuds and a cometic headgasket making 400 to the wheels in an AWD ef hatch.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/2104408 :blah:


220 - 230 is not pushing it on a stock d-series bottom end. whoever said that needs to keep quiet. i pushed mine to 300 before i built it. now im going for the 400 mark with pistons and rods and thats it.


its all in the tune! sing it with me!!!

[2Fast4Radar]

My friend's 02 Mustang GT SOHC made 400RWHP and 400RWTQ with a Vortec SQ-trim blower at 9psi.

SOHC cars can make power - you just need to get the heads to flow!

[LSTurboHatch]

so are we talking about sohc hondas or sohc motors period????

[Vteckidd]

Rota92 on h-t made 568 HP Single Cam @ 34 psi. His dyno chart



http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/hybrdthry911/synapse/sizedcomparison.jpg


D16z6
GT3567R .82
34 psi
Dynapack dyno

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/rota92/Pic1084.jpg

and he doesnt make over 250whp till 6000+rpms. talk about LACK of a powerband. He would get WALKED on by a 250-260whp GSR with a t3 Super 60. He jumpes 250whp in 700rpm, all he is going to do is SPIN

TO the guy saying 300whp is easy on a stock motor, you are 1 of a million that had a motor stay together past 250whp on a stock D series bottom end.

Anyone LOCALLY that has made over 350whp BLOWS UP. They arent made to last. I only know what i have seen and tried.

Turbo D series on a stock block are good for 220-230 with VTEC and 180-200 NON VTEC. anything past that, be prepares to build or swap the motor withing MONTHS. IT WILL BLOW UP, you can have Jeff Evans tune it, it still wont last.

Your asking a 80whp-120whp motor to make double or triple what it came with from the factory.

Dont believe everything on Honda-Tech or on the internet.

[Big J]

Dont believe everything on Honda-Tech or on the internet.

you just shattered all my hopes and dreams

[B18c1Turboed]

Anyone LOCALLY that has made over 350whp BLOWS UP. They arent made to last. I only know what i have seen and tried.


Dont believe everything on Honda-Tech or on the internet.

Mike,if you dont read it or see the car, Dont belive it hasnt been done, there is a certain d series making over 350Hp locally.He has been making that power for over a year.

[Vteckidd]

Mike,if you dont read it or see the car, Dont belive it hasnt been done, there is a certain d series making over 350Hp locally.He has been making that power for over a year.
STOCK BLOCK?

ok there is 2 out of a million :D

[B18c1Turboed]

STOCK BLOCK?

ok there is 2 out of a million :D

Naw piston and rods, thats all!!! i think!

[bernard]

Just do it. LOL!!! Everyone learn from the experience. Give it a shot.

[Bruce Leroy]

So w3bcod3r..... are you going to boost your accord or not??

[B18c1Turboed]

If any of you guys wanting to do D series motors, I have two fully Built ZC motors, JG sleeved ,CP pistons and rods for sale!!! :crazy:

Motors where assembled by JG in california, with there sleeves and all!!! One ZC is a 1.6 and one is a 1.8.

I tought i would throw it out there!!!

[2Fast4Radar]

so are we talking about sohc hondas or sohc motors period????Nobody said this was a Honda-only discussion so I thought I'd mention a low-boost SOHC making some power ;)

[LSTurboHatch]

If any of you guys wanting to do D series motors, I have two fully Built ZC motors, JG sleeved ,CP pistons and rods for sale!!! :crazy:

Motors where assembled by JG in california, with there sleeves and all!!! One ZC is a 1.6 and one is a 1.8.

I tought i would throw it out there!!!
sohc zc vtecs???? pm me a price

[LSTurboHatch]

STOCK BLOCK?

ok there is 2 out of a million :D
i know people personally that have made 400+ on stock engines with vitara pistons and eagle rods.

once again. its all in the tune.


o and btw that 568whp car runs 10.06 with traps in the 140's... i dont think your going to find many gsr's with 250 horse go that fast.

[blue_5g_zc]

actually d series vtec stock heads are good for 400whp all day long. You could tear open a d16 throw in 150 vitara pistons a set of tuner toy rods or eagle and basic oem stuff and put down 400whp with ease with less then a grand in your motor. And it would be SAFE if tuned right! There's a shitload of d16's on H-T putting down over 400whp on stock sleeves with vitara pistons. 500whp range with cp's and je's on sotck sleeves.

preaching to the choir man, i run a built bottom D with vitaras and scat rods. stock head with arp studs and HG :goodjob:

[SoLJames95]

Just do it. LOL!!! Everyone learn from the experience. Give it a shot.

Hell yea.. x2 Been there done it 3x and now im on my 4th but this one is going to be all out. Everyone I have blown up I loved everysecond of it. The other motors were all stock with stock internals.

[LSTurboHatch]

preaching to the choir man, i run a built bottom D with vitaras and scat rods. stock head with arp studs and HG :goodjob:
thats the way to go. i would be running vitaras if i didnt get such a good deal on these wisecos.

[2Fast4Radar]

i know people personally that have made 400+ on stock engines with vitara pistons and eagle rods.Vitara pistons and eagle rods are now stock Honda parts? :thinking:

That doesn't sound very stock to me.

[JDM onlyy]

i know people personally that have made 400+ on stock engines with vitara pistons and eagle rods.

once again. its all in the tune.


o and btw that 568whp car runs 10.06 with traps in the 140's... i dont think your going to find many gsr's with 250 horse go that fast.


must be running that 10.06 with slicks because with the power he gained out of nowhere is a guaranteed spin with street tires.

[superboost]

319whp bone stock SOHC only bolt ons, cam and a larger turbo no head work, motor never opened at 190,000 miles....Nobody said this was an all honda thread.

http://i.pbase.com/g6/43/638743/2/75622719.fQCNivVp.jpg

[SoLJames95]

Ive only seen so many d series that last that are stock... i call bs ^^^^

[bernard]

It all depends on the tune, and how hard you run your car bro. If you baby your car boosted on stock internals, it will last awhile. I ran the bottle for a yr. then boost for a yr till my rings went. Like i said, it depends on the driver and the tuner.

[Tree]

where did you get your zc parts... and are they dohc?

[JDM onlyy]

where did you get your zc parts... and are they dohc?

they're sohc zc

[JDMjoe]

D-series is just a waste of money, b-series power can be obtained with less money :yes: D< B

[Da_unknown]

:werd:

[LSTurboHatch]

D-series is just a waste of money, b-series power can be obtained with less money :yes: D< B
haha....
gsr swap=2500=163whp.
boosted d setup=2500=300horse.
who wants to do the math....

i own both a b and a d. gsr's cost around 1200 for just the engine. i can build a d-series bottom end for 1000. i would much rather blow up a d-series and replace it than blow up a b-series.

[SoLJames95]

:stupid:

[JDM onlyy]

:stupid:

x2 :yes:

[1NonlyAccord]

not to thread jack but would a T3/T4 turbo b a good SOHC turbo? or will it not spoll up enough when the redline is about 6k?

[2Fast4Radar]

not to thread jack but would a T3/T4 turbo b a good SOHC turbo? or will it not spoll up enough when the redline is about 6k?DOHC or SOHC doesn't matter. And being a T3/T4 doesn't matter. What matters is the volume of air and exhaust pulses from the head and the turbo's exhaust turbine and exhaust housing.

Asking if a T3/T4 turbo will work on a SOHC engine is like asking if a Goodyear tire will fit on a Lexus. Maybe? It depends on what kind of Lexus you have and what the tire's width and sidewall is. The question is really too vague to give any meaningful or useful answer.

But it's very possible to match a smaller SOHC engine (since you are probably talking about a Honda) to the propper T3/T4 to make it both responsive on lower RPMs as well as produce good top-end. Things like head work, the engine's compression, and different cam specs will change what specific turbo or variation of a turbo will best suit the engine and your needs from the car.

You can now buy ball-bearing T3/T4 turbos instead of journal bearing which will shift the turbo's efficiency range to be more effective with low-end power. On the flip side they not only cost a lot more, but if the center section is damaged you'll probably be replacing the turbo or spending a lot of money getting it repaired. Journal bearing turbos are much cheaper/easier to rebuild. It's a trade-off. If you have the extra money then by all means go with a ball-bearing. I would also look into the Garrett ball-bearing GT-series turbos.

[claybird]

J series rules ive got a boosted j 30a1

[eViLMunkey]

makes me think about keeping my D series in my Hatch or at least switch from the D15 to a D16z6 and do some F/I work on it...

[.blank cd]

Is it possible to get some real hp out of a SOHC motor... and if yes what would you do...?Please refer to Bisi Ezerioha. F22A SOHC non-VTEC making 500 N/A HP. that is real HP

[DeeAOne]

Please refer to Bisi Ezerioha. F22A SOHC non-VTEC making 500 N/A HP. that is real HPx2 :goodjob: true story.

[94ludeguy]

cb7tuner.com thats all i gotta say

[-S Double C-]

Im building a 500+whp stock sleeves d series. I have maybe 3k in my whole setup and it will be a low 10 if not high 9 second car when im done. Let me introduce you guys to some REAL D SERIES setups!

Here's a full weight full interrior 4 door eg that has 3 mods to the motor it's self that runs 11.2's and has less then 600 dollars in his motor. He dynoed 405whp and 314trq with a ebay t3/t4. Still running 3 years later!!

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1719843&page=1
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1748160

Here's a hatch thats nearly stock with less then 4000 in the whole car that runs consitent 10.3's, not to mention it's been doing this for 3 years. Hows 471whp/356tq @ 29psi on 101 octane reving to 9100 sound? and this is not the highest power this car has made..not to mention he's also running a ebay t3 t4.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2295855

Here's a Friend of mines 500whp d16 hatch i talk to often on H-T that is DD with a/c and p/s still. Once again less then 2500 in his motor as well.
503whp and 345trq

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2337047

Here another full weight 4 door with a nearly stock boosted d16 thats runs 11.2's
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2392446

Here's a 605whp with 403trq d series with less then 3k in the motor...
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2371560

ALL THOSE MOTORS HAVE STOCK SLEEVES AS WELL!

D-series motor are awesome to play with. MOST UNDER ESTIMATE THEM! No one around here takes time to do things right now days. Show me a 500-550whp b series that runs around 10 flat or high 9's.

[-S Double C-]

Been there done that. You wont even make 230 whp on stock internals for long time. You need to build and dont try to up boost past tune. Not worth it.

BULL **** my girl's brother made 254whp and 217trq on a stock d16y8 with a ebay kit and drove the **** out of it for 8 months and ran it low on oil and spun a bearing. Now he put in in 120 dollar vitara pistons FJT Custom rods and dynoed 412whp 326trq at 28lbs

[-S Double C-]

Rota92 on h-t made 568 HP Single Cam @ 34 psi. His dyno chart



http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c169/hybrdthry911/synapse/sizedcomparison.jpg


D16z6
GT3567R .82
34 psi
Dynapack dyno

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l209/rota92/Pic1084.jpg

Rota92's car is sick runs 9.1's I bought his old Head package from that setup.. with his RLZ Head he made 585whp. And to the fool who said not a bad way to spend 10 grand he actually has right at 5 in motor and stuff. :goodjob:

[qwick]

Depending on how much you spend it is possible to get 600-700 hp out of a fully built and tunned SOHC honda, but that cost mucho denaro(sp?)

[-S Double C-]

Depending on how much you spend it is possible to get 600-700 hp out of a fully built and tunned SOHC honda, but that cost mucho denaro(sp?)

honestly i could make that kinda power with about 800 more in my setup for sleeves but i dont want that much. My EF will weighs around 1300-1500 without the motor so 500-550whp is more then enough. I actually know some with a built and sleeved d16 block for 1500 shipped i thought about getting for a back up.

[qwick]

honestly i could make that kinda power with about 800 more in my setup for sleeves but i dont want that much. My EF will weighs around 1300-1500 without the motor so 500-550whp is more then enough. I actually know some with a built and sleeved d16 block for 1500 shipped i thought about getting for a back up.

Yea I no what ya mean I just wanted to say that even thoes tiny motors could make big HP.

[daddij]

honestly i could make that kinda power with about 800 more in my setup for sleeves but i dont want that much. My EF will weighs around 1300-1500 without the motor so 500-550whp is more then enough. I actually know some with a built and sleeved d16 block for 1500 shipped i thought about getting for a back up.

man if only i had my civic my 4 do' damn would i buy that motor. i would be shittin on some hoes lol

[daddij]

haha....
i can build a d-series bottom end for 1000. i would much rather blow up a d-series and replace it than blow up a b-series.

he is so fucking right :yes:

[B18c1Turboed]

Rota92's car is sick runs 9.1's I bought his old Head package from that setup.. with his RLZ Head he made 585whp. And to the fool who said not a bad way to spend 10 grand he actually has right at 5 in motor and stuff. :goodjob:


He did not run 9.1 he ran high more like 9.7s wich is still impressive,But nowhere near 9.1 theres only a few cars that have ran that and he wasnt one of them...

Just to clairfy it was a 9.85 @ 145 - SOHC
And the car also has wheelie bars and is a Hot Rod car, that means pure drag car!

[del_slo]

hell ya you can get some power outta the SOHC...i roll a turbod stock SOHC vtec and make 230-240whp

[jakerd4892]

My personal opinion, yeah you can get some horses out of a sohc. But you need to seriously build it before you boost it, and even then you run a high risk of blowing it. I would go with a b series, any b series. Yeah, it's a typical swap, but much more dependable, you can boost it stock and it'll last you. And if you build it first, and THEN turbo it, we are talking about some serious horsepower, so it all depends on your purpose, just a fun car, or maybe for racing sometimes, but either way, if you want to boost it,I would just do a b series swap

[allmotorX]

My personal opinion, yeah you can get some horses out of a sohc. But you need to seriously build it before you boost it, and even then you run a high risk of blowing it. I would go with a b series, any b series. Yeah, it's a typical swap, but much more dependable, you can boost it stock and it'll last you. And if you build it first, and THEN turbo it, we are talking about some serious horsepower, so it all depends on your purpose, just a fun car, or maybe for racing sometimes, but either way, if you want to boost it,I would just do a b series swapand who said a stock d wont last if boosted stock everbody and there granny has a b-swap including me well i had one but got rid of it now im a sigle cam guy and:2up: whoever dont like it thats my personal opinion