The 'unfathomable' arrest of a black scholar

[eraser4g63]

You know what I am going to admit this, I racialy profile people every day. I have to it is part of my job. I know that if I go to the local trailer park and pick up the white male who is skinny and dirty and all sorts of just plain nasty that chances are he doesn't take care of himself and if I have reason to suspect drugs are being used im gonna guess meth. Same if I go to the Gov't subsidized housing and pick up a black male that is dirty, but this time I am gonna suspect crack. It is the same thing when people dont know their medical problems of history. If they are black male in there fourties chances are they have high blood pressure, or if I find one unresponsive and rule out every thing else I am gonna suspect sickle cell to be an issue. It is the way shit works in the world and it is the way people in the medical profession and Law enforcment are taught to think. And you know what sterotypes wouldn't be there if they didn't prove to be right a majority of the time. That person lives in a nasty trailer park, chances are you guessed it ther trailer and life style are nasty. As to this dumb ass who started the shit with the cops he deserved to be arrested because he did not respect the LEOs authority. If a white person had done this to a black cop every one of you left wingers would be singing a diffrent song.

[Vteckidd]

No what you guys are suggesting is the following:

Use past discrimination and racial problems to excuse/go looking for racial issues TODAY.


Thats what i just dont get. Its cut and dry. You arent a police officer you have no idea what to do in this situation. All we can do is go by the FACTS. The facts are CRYSTAL CLEAR.

Crowley is not a racist, he teaches anti-racial profiling classes, going on 10 years, and was appointed by his predecessor, a BLACK POLICE CHIEF.

Crowley responded to a possible burglary. He question the "suspect" as he saw fit to determine if this person really resided at this home. The "suspect" rather than cooperate, lashed out and raised his voice, yelling at Crowley BEFORE HE PROVIDED HIS ID.

Then After providing his ID, CONTINUED to threaten and chastize Crowley, Crowley arrested the man for DC.

Again, if you think this is wrong, i will pay $100 to ANYONE OF YOU THAT TRY THIS ACTION NEXT TIME YOU GET PULLED OVER. IF YOU DO NOT GO TO JAIL, I WILL GIVE YOU $100. I require a videotape.

Now the problem lies in this "its a race issue" crap. Its a race issue because GATES wanted it to be one. PERIOD. The office was doing his job. He didnt arrest Gates BECAUSE he was black, he arrested him because Gates was being an ASSHOLE.

Then we get this crowd of people that come out and say "omg profiling takes place, you dont know what its like to be black in america" blah blah blah.

My question to those people, how do you ever expect to be treated equally, if you are always going to hide behind the stereotypes? I mean here is a clear cut example of the Officer DOING HIS JOB WITHOUT PREJUDICE, and Gates says "Are you doing this because im black!!"

Flipside , what if Crowley WAS a racist? You can only cry wolf so many times.

And yeah, his supporting officer was black, and said crowley was right. That DOES mean something, because none of you want to take the POLICEs word, the cops word, the 911 cals word, etc. What else do you want?

Gates was an idiot and he got what he deserved.

Ill be waiting to get my $100 videotapes.......

[Vteckidd]

OH and Who is REALLY RACIST? Crowley doesnt have videos around like this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRlId...layer_embedded

A video has surfaced on YouTube of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. delivering a church speech in which he uses the N-word, rails against “racist historically white institutions in America” and accuses Newt Gingrich of attempting to block blacks from entering the middle class.

Gates became a lightning rod of racial controversy when President Obama defended the professor, who was handcuffed outside his home last week by police in Cambridge, Mass.

“We are trying to end what we call the one n-gger syndrome – you know, this place ain’t big enough for more than one of us,” said Gates in the video, filmed in 1996 in the All Souls Church in Washington, D.C.

“We in the academy have to know that our people, those of us who practice African-American studies, have to know that our people are under assault,” Gates said.

He continued: “Newt Gingrich can come in, that Contract for America is serious. You know what those guys have said? ‘Somehow, while we were asleep, all you white women and all you black people got into the middle class.’

“‘We are not sure how it happened. But the first thing we are going to do is we are going to shake the tree and any of y’all who can’t hold on, you’re all going back. And the second thing, we are going to set up barriers so no more of you all can get in here.’”

Gates was speaking to the church about his book, “The Future of the Race,” which he co-authored with radical black professor Cornel West. Gates was arguing for the continued employment of affirmative action.

“Without affirmative action we would have never been able to integrate racist historically white institutions in American society,” Gates said.

“I was able to go to Yale University because they were trying to diversify themselves,” he said. “Because of racism I never would have been allowed to compete on a more or less level terrain with white boys and white girls.

“What we’re trying to do is end ‘your mamma’ and ‘your daddy criticism,’ which is what African-Americans quite frankly have mastered in for 250 years,” he said.

In clearly racially divisive remarks, Gates blasted the state of North Carolina, drawing applause when he exclaimed, “I don’t even like the airplane to fly over North Carolina.”

One audience member pointed out American jazz icon John Coltrane was born in North Carolina.

“Oh, that’s true. I’m sorry. I’m sorry,” said Gates. “And they got good barbeque, too. So maybe it’s OK.”

[tony]

Trying to find racism in that statement, just don't see it. Maybe the definition of racism needs to be defined, because standing your ground is not being racist. Saying that is racist is no different than saying the Black Power movement was racist as well.

[Vteckidd]

Trying to find racism in that statement, just don't see it. Maybe the definition of racism needs to be defined, because standing your ground is not being racist. Saying that is racist is no different than saying the Black Power movement was racist as well.

wtf are you seriously still defending this? HAHA

WTF does he have to do to stand his ground? Nobody was challenging him! Crowley doesnt know him from you. He asked for identification, Gates over-reacted.

So you still think Crowley should have tip toed and pandered to the Prof because you think Gates was standing up to some kind of injustice. Gimme a break

[Vteckidd]

This guy is a HARVARD PROFESSOR and if he isnt smart enough to connect the dots.......

1) He was observed breaking into a house
2) officer asked for identification to make sure he really lived there

I mean its fucking simple. If he would have said "oh im sorry officer, i locked my keys inside, here is my ID"

Crowley prob would have said "no problem have a nice night"

Equality goes both ways you know

[tony]

Uhh... he's talking about racial injustice, whats racist about that? You have me mistaken on this issue, I said myself that Gates escalated this and I don't feel Crowley is racist. But the quote you posted, thats not racism on Gates' part.

[Vteckidd]

Uhh... he's talking about racial injustice, whats racist about that? You have me mistaken on this issue, I said myself that Gates escalated this and I don't feel Crowley is racist. But the quote you posted, thats not racism on Gates' part.

i thought you were talking about the police report.

The video , doesnt bother me one bit, but its more racism than ive seen out of this incident.

Evil White institutions? Sounds like this guy, who has a very good education and job, has a chip on his shoulder

[speedminded]

I read the report and I read Gates' interview. Gates co-operated with the cop and showed him his ID. Cops are trained to deal with angry citizens and any cop worth a shit would have known to de-escalate the situation.

I'm not saying that the cop should have tiptoed around the situation just because Gates was Black. Regardless of Gates' color the cop should have left him alone after he cooperated and showed ID. He really had no further business on the property. The cop abused his power by baiting Gates to come outside. He might have been within his rights according to the letter of the law, but it was still a shitty use of the cop's discretion to handle the situation.

Every time a Black American does bring up the subject of race, White America (especially IA) gets its panties all in a wad. When, really, all that was required in this situation to determine racism was not involved was to just listen the the 911 call and hear the statements of the witnesses at the scene. Rather than doing that, you guys go off on your tirades against Jackson, Sharpton, and all the other "reverse racists".

The general conservobot attitude about race in the post-Civil Rights Act era just to sweep it under the rug and deny that race is an issue. But really, Blacks haven't been their due in the effort to achieve true equality. I don't think enough has been done to correct the problems of poverty, lack of access to education, etc that Blacks suffer disproportionately to other races.

And like AirMax95 said, there are a lot of markers like dress codes and "VIP lists" that are being used indirectly to discriminate against Blacks. We had the dress codes in Athens' "White" bars too. No camo, must wear collared shirts, no shorts, no bandannas, etc. I have walked in many "dress code" bars wearing a camo t-shirt, cargo shorts, and a bandanna and no one said anything to me.

So i've read every post before and after yours 4 times and have yet to see any black figures mentioned other than quotes from Obama. I don't see anything regarding the Civil Rights Acts either. You're the only person bringing that up.

I'm one of the most anti-racial people you'll probably meet and I hate the National Alliance just as much as people that throw the race card for no reason. Ignorance is found in every color. Don't be one of them.

[tony]

i thought you were talking about the police report.

The video , doesnt bother me one bit, but its more racism than ive seen out of this incident.

Evil White institutions? Sounds like this guy, who has a very good education and job, has a chip on his shoulder

Most blacks that got to where he is have something to have a chip about. When glass ceilings are broken it takes a damn good person not to have a bit of bitterness cause it is almost guaranteed he had hurdles that his white counterparts did not. He is a black harvard professor, obviously he is an abnormality in society because of his race and his position. I'd be more disappointed if he did not voice his concerns and just went about his business not acknowledging the struggle he faced and that other minorities face.

Imagine if W.E.B Dubois said "You know what, I'm educated and got to where I am, I'm just going to be quiet about the injustices I experienced and saw and just live my life." Someone who is not black might not understand the implications of that type of thinking but just know every person that stands up and points out legitimate inequalities in society is doing it for those who are oppressed without a voice. Again, that is not racism.

[AirMax95]

Mike: The race of the other officer is not an issue, at least to me its not. A black person, co-signing on an incident does not affirm the incident.


In regards to the Gates video, it piggybacks reactions similar to the Rev. Wright sermons. You have to understand the scope of the discussions, as well as the WORDS used in context. They do not hate, nor are racist towards whites, they depise those that feel treating a human differently off the basis of skin color is "OK" or "Right".

As Tony stated, racism needs to be defined. Clearly the word racism has 10 billion definitions. Speaking out against whites (or blacks) that are 1) doing wrong, 2) intend to do wrong, 3) have done wrong, IS NOT RACISM. Gates, West, Dyson, etc. all know and work with whites that are not like their ancestors. Yet, they, like many of us here, realize that there are PLENTY that use racism to play on the ignorance of society.

Affirmative action had to be put in place to FORCE WHITE BUSINESSES to ALLOW BLACKS AND WOMEN a chance that MAJORITY of AMERICA would not!

[Vteckidd]

ahhh now we come to the root of the problem, exploitation.

You guys make this too easy :P

[speedminded]

Most blacks that got to where he is have something to have a chip about. When glass ceilings are broken it takes a damn good person not to have a bit of bitterness cause it is almost guaranteed he had hurdles that his white counterparts did not. He is a black harvard professor, obviously he is an abnormality in society because of his race and his position. I'd be more disappointed if he did not voice his concerns and just went about his business not acknowledging the struggle he faced and that other minorities face.

Imagine if W.E.B Dubois said "You know what, I'm educated and got to where I am, I'm just going to be quiet about the injustices I experienced and saw and just live my life." Someone who is not black might not understand the implications of that type of thinking but just know every person that stands up and points out legitimate inequalities in society is doing it for those who are oppressed without a voice. Again, that is not racism.

Do you not agree that Gates and the media are the only people that have made it racial? It's clear that the media was wrong in their statements, from the caller saying it was 2 black men to them having backpacks. Neither of which were mention in the 911 call.

I've called 911 probably 25 times in my life. From DUI's to shootings I state my name, my phone number, and location before even mentioning the issue at hand. When describing a subject I state someones skin color just as I would the color of their shirt or their hair. It's a description that has nothing to do with race other than to assist in the identification of a suspect. Is that racial profiling? I guarantee you anyone going on their civil rights rants above will say it is.

[Vteckidd]

Affirmative action had to be put in place to FORCE WHITE BUSINESSES to PROMOTE LESS QUALIFIED MINORITIES

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[tony]

Do you not agree that Gates and the media are the only people that have made it racial? It's clear that the media was wrong in their statements, from the caller saying it was 2 black men to them having backpacks. Neither of which were mention in the 911 call.

I've called 911 probably 25 times in my life. From DUI's to shootings I state my name, my phone number, and location before even mentioning the issue at hand. When describing a subject I state someones skin color just as I would the color of their shirt or their hair. It's a description that has nothing to do with race other than to assist in the identification of a suspect. Is that racial profiling? I guarantee you anyone going on their civil rights rants above will say it is.

Just my personal opinion here but Gates wrongfully used Race in this specific instance, Obama jumped on it pre emptively without full knowledge of the situation which was not smart either.

Profiling is different from a description. When someone robs a bank and they give the description "Black male, early 20's, 5'8, 170lbs" thats not profiling..

[bafbrian]

This may or may not have been asked, but if the guy lives there, wouldn't he have a key to his own house?

[tony]

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lol I'm going to laugh that one off and chalk it up to ignorance of the subject. So all minorities hired through affirmative action are less qualified Mike? That post even if not intentional was one of the dumbest things you've ever posted.

[AirMax95]

Mike, if you seriously believe the ammend to my statement that you made, then you have a bit of reading to do. Face value of Affirmative Action vs. Real World application sir.....please be joking.

I am done with the Gates incident; never though it was purely racial on the cops part, but I wanted the whole story. A police report still only tells one side, and we all know they are still possibly flawed, lol. Although, I am still going to read all the Gates interviews for more clarity.

Explain your "explotation" theory please.

[Vteckidd]

lol I'm going to laugh that one off and chalk it up to ignorance of the subject. So all minorities hired through affirmative action are less qualified Mike? That post even if not intentional was one of the dumbest things you've ever posted.

Im against affirmative action, 10000% . It promotes stuff like the firefighters up in New Haven

Whether it was a good idea or not, it has NOT done what it was designed to do. Instead it routinely promotes less qualified individuals over more qualified person in the terms of racial prudence.

That is not what America is about.

[speedminded]

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Exactly. A qualified person will most likely get a job no matter their race. I'm not saying racism is absent in corporations but they are more concerned with their positive growth hiring the right person than the person themselves.

I have a friend that didn't get a job at Microsoft because he was WHITE. He was flown to their corporate office and went through several interviews over a couple days. In his 4th or 5th interview, going up the ladder one rung at a time, he was told he did not fit the description they were being requested to hire...or something along those lines. He said they were apologetic but it was out of their control making it blatantly obvious they had a specific "profile" to fill.

[Vteckidd]

You guys basically have said that if a black man does well in society in todays world, he has to speak out against all the racial injustice the evil white man has predicated on him. So when does it stop? when does a black man just become a man who did it on his own and we stop recognizing color?

Do you believe that a black man can grow up today, and have no racial problems and succeed? yes or no

[AirMax95]

Im against affirmative action, 10000% . It promotes stuff like the firefighters up in New Haven

Whether it was a good idea or not, it has NOT done what it was designed to do. Instead it routinely promotes less qualified individuals over more qualified person in the terms of racial prudence.

That is not what America is about.

So, what was it designed to do; curious if you know? Every plan put in place has been fubared by society. It was needed then, but the discussion of it know purely lies in the minds of the majority, and you know what I mean.

[speedminded]

This may or may not have been asked, but if the guy lives there, wouldn't he have a key to his own house?

Supposedly the door was jammed due to a previous break-in attempt. Read the police report I posted and you can see the statement from the officer as he asked Gates about securing the house while he was being detained.

[AirMax95]

You guys basically have said that if a black man does well in society in todays world, he has to speak out against all the racial injustice the evil white man has predicated on him.

Do you believe that a black man can grow up today, and have no racial problems and succeed? yes or no

To answer your question, YES......the bumps as I like to call them, makes the process that more trying, but we overcome the resistance. Blatant civil unjust is WRONG and CAN supress; history has clearly proven that.

[Vteckidd]

So, what was it designed to do; curious if you know? Every plan put in place has been fubared by society. It was needed then, but the discussion of it know purely lies in the minds of the majority, and you know what I mean.

There was a time and place for the NAACP, there was a time an place for Unions, there was a time and place when Affirmative Action could have done something right.

But in the last 10-15 years, its done nothing but deepen the racial divide.

you should read
Affirmative Action Around the World: An Empirical Study Thomas Sowell
The Bell Curve Richard J. Herrnstein

[AirMax95]

There was a time and place for the NAACP, there was a time an place for Unions, there was a time and place when Affirmative Action could have done something right.

But in the last 10-15 years, its done nothing but deepen the racial divide.

you should read
Affirmative Action Around the World: An Empirical Study Thomas Sowell
The Bell Curve Richard J. Herrnstein

Like I said, I know the plan has been fubared....no question in that. What I am saying is that there is enough fear left in this society that would not allow to simply get rid of it. I don't like the excuse nowadays that the "man" has held someone from a job, BUT I realize that it still may occur in some cases.

[Total_Blender]

Again, if you think this is wrong, i will pay $100 to ANYONE OF YOU THAT TRY THIS ACTION NEXT TIME YOU GET PULLED OVER. IF YOU DO NOT GO TO JAIL, I WILL GIVE YOU $100. I require a videotape.
....

Theres a difference between being pulled over and being in your own home.

No one is accusing Crowley of being a racist, I don't even think he was racial profiling. I think he responded negatively to a challenge to his authority by arresting Gates.

A lot of White people who are critical of Black equality efforts like AA and the UNCF don't see that there are social and cultural issues that affect African Americans specifically. Many Whites have the "I made it therefore so can you" outlook. Sometimes thats the case, but sometimes it isn't. A White person isn't always going to observe limiting factors that are outside their own experience.

Consider the culture gap between the people who create standardized tests and the children who take them. One such standardized test was composed by a group of older, mostly White, affluent men from New England. Much of the questions, themes, and vocabulary used in the test were centered on sailing and maritime culture. Children growing up in the affluent New England culture did fine taking the test, but when the same test was given to inner city children in a predominantly Black area they did not do as well... not because they weren't smart, but because sailing just wasn't part of their culture.

Speedminded, somebody mentioned Jesse and Al at some point earlier in the thread.

[Vteckidd]

I just dont see any civil rights violations or racial issues in the harvard thing, so calling on that or making references to that is meaningless.

Ok Blender, park YOUR car in a police station parking lot. Break your window out, or try to slim jim into it. When an officer approcahes you, repeat word for word what Gates said to the officer and act the same way.

If you dont go to jail, ill give you $100

[AirMax95]

Mike, Sowell hit home here:

"Affirmative action in the United States has made blacks. . .who have largely lifted themselves out of poverty, look like people who owe their rise to affirmative action and other government programs."

Like I said, I have never made excuses, and I am blind to color. My strides come off the shoulders of those before me that fought for a change. To be where I am is not b/c of a program, rather b/c I am a bad ass in my field.

Yes....tooted my own horn, lol.

[Vteckidd]

Like I said, I know the plan has been fubared....no question in that. What I am saying is that there is enough fear left in this society that would not allow to simply get rid of it. I don't like the excuse nowadays that the "man" has held someone from a job, BUT I realize that it still may occur in some cases.

Of course it still happens, just like racism happens towards WHITEs but we dont have any legislative laws protecting us. We dont have a history month named after us, we dont have people pushing for reperations in congress lol.

You get my point i think.

When do we STOP. When is Affirmative Action going to STOP. When does a BLACK man become simply a MAN. I dont get it.

It just seems to me like there is NO organization out there right now that is really fighting for EQUALITY. Most of them are fighting to keep the racism alive so they can keep getting govt funds and have a purpose.

If every black man that succeeds has to give a speech like Gates did, and we will always have to have Affirmative Action, then we will NEVER have equality, ever

[Vteckidd]

Mike, Sowell hit home here:

"Affirmative action in the United States has made blacks. . .who have largely lifted themselves out of poverty, look like people who owe their rise to affirmative action and other government programs."

Like I said, I have never made excuses, and I am blind to color. My strides come off the shoulders of those before me that fought for a change. To be where I am is not b/c of a program, rather b/c I am a bad ass in my field.

Yes....tooted my own horn, lol.

You should read it, i think you would understand my point of view more. Most poeple read it and saw OMG YOU ARE RACIST MIKE. When in reality im advocating equality and being pro-active.

Could you as a black man have faced racism, ABSOLUTELY. Ill tel you what though, ive been the white kid in the gym at 10pm that feels uncomfortable because im white. Ive been called cracker, white boy, slow, unathletic, whatever by black kids before. I was a white basketball player. Ive been called Larry Bird, Kevin Mchale, i never got called michael jordan.

Racism exists, of course, but we all deal with it. it exists everywhere, and i think Affirmitive action promotes it

[AirMax95]

Of course it still happens, just like racism happens towards WHITEs but we dont have any legislative laws protecting us. We dont have a history month named after us, we dont have people pushing for reperations in congress lol.

You get my point i think.

When do we STOP. When is Affirmative Action going to STOP. When does a BLACK man become simply a MAN. I dont get it.

It just seems to me like there is NO organization out there right now that is really fighting for EQUALITY. Most of them are fighting to keep the racism alive so they can keep getting govt funds and have a purpose.

If every black man that succeeds has to give a speech like Gates did, and we will always have to have Affirmative Action, then we will NEVER have equality, ever

My friend that is the question WE as a people have been trying to figure out forever. Did you read my long quotes a few pages back? Being black, or just being me (Tereance) in America are 2 different things because of this countrys history AND society still today.

Some of the best organization that fight for equality and a better country are grassroots orgs.

To counter your comments on Gates speech, if they didn't speak out, things would get worse. Progression, sir, in this respect is a steep ass climb. We have come far, but still a ways to go.

[Total_Blender]

Do you believe that a black man can grow up today, and have no racial problems and succeed? yes or no

I believe that people of all races will 100% without a doubt encounter racism at some point in their lives. I resent the premise of your question because its deeper than a yes/no question. It depends on what your definition of "success" is... material wealth, social status, education, staying true to principles, helping others in need, etc etc. It also depends on other variables like social class, genetics (not everyone can be LeBron or Jordan), whether you are born into a supportive family, etc etc.

The question you are asking is "Can a Black man succeed in a White man's world?". But the real question at stake is "Is a Black man as likely as a White man to achieve success on his own terms?"

[AirMax95]

You should read it, i think you would understand my point of view more. Most poeple read it and saw OMG YOU ARE RACIST MIKE. When in reality im advocating equality and being pro-active.

Could you as a black man have faced racism, ABSOLUTELY. Ill tel you what though, ive been the white kid in the gym at 10pm that feels uncomfortable because im white. Ive been called cracker, white boy, slow, unathletic, whatever by black kids before. I was a white basketball player. Ive been called Larry Bird, Kevin Mchale, i never got called michael jordan.

Racism exists, of course, but we all deal with it. it exists everywhere, and i think Affirmitive action promotes it

See, I don't think you are racist. I have studied arguements and debates, material fallacies, and things of the like. What gets people with you is that you tend to make some things (related to race) so cut and dry. I seem to see that you mean well, but you do aim blame at black people more, seemingly pushing the buck. Clarify your HONEST feelings and intentions from both sides. Remember, we didnt put ourselves through the torment in America's history.

Can you honestly say that whites have more of the blame, in regards to America's race relations? Even Affirmative Action was not twisted by blacks. Hell, it took a wrong turn when it was formulated.

You were in the gym when you were called those names, and I bet you can name more instances, but when majority of a race dislikes you based off color......OH_M_GEE....the feeling is astronomically worse. For US to sweep it away is not gonna happen, the bed was made and the country as a whole has been laying in it. I went though name calling, profiling, denial of entry into a public establishment.

When common sense and care for the fellow man smother ignorance and stereotypes, then we can say MORE progress has been made.

Obama elected to office, black CEO of fortune 500 company, MJ moonwalking on someones face......none of the aformentioned says "its over, move on". What it does show is that HARDER work will prevail.

[speedminded]

My friend that is the question WE as a people have been trying to figure out forever. Did you read my long quotes a few pages back? Being black, or just being me (Tereance) in America are 2 different things because of this countrys history AND society still today.

Some of the best organization that fight for equality and a better country are grassroots orgs.

To counter your comments on Gates speech, if they didn't speak out, things would get worse. Progression, sir, in this respect is a steep ass climb. We have come far, but still a ways to go.

Speaking out does some times make things worse. Only because a black suspect calls racism (or racially motivated) was this an issue that turned into a media frenzy. If he presented his ID as requested and allowed the officer to do his job there would not have been a single issue.

Martin Luther Kings vision was for a color-blind society, that will never happen as long as minorities continue to throw the race card.

[AirMax95]

Speaking out does some times make things worse. Only because a black suspect calls racism (or racially motivated) was this an issue that turned into a media frenzy. If he presented his ID as requested and allowed the officer to do his job there would not have been a single issue.

Martin Luther Kings vision was for a color-blind society, that will never happen as long as minorities continue to throw the race card.

I can respect that, but minorties throw the race card many times because the majority plays it too. For you to say "...that will never happen as long as minorites continue to throw the race card" only addresses a piece of the problem. Whites still put the race card in the deck, shuffle it, and play it when they feel. It is left up to many of the intellectuals to catch it and call it out. Hell Sen. Barbara Boxer pulled it on CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce! She knew damn well what she was doing.

As I said, the Gates case, thus far, is a case of history overcoming reality. To me, the police report is one part, but reading the first few paragraphs sounds like BS to me. I don't know Gates personally, but for him to just say "Why because I'm a black man in America" so soon in the incidient seems like a croc of shiat. I am stopping there until I read the numerous Gates interviews.

[leobond001]

You should read it, i think you would understand my point of view more. Most poeple read it and saw OMG YOU ARE RACIST MIKE. When in reality im advocating equality and being pro-active.

Could you as a black man have faced racism, ABSOLUTELY. Ill tel you what though, ive been the white kid in the gym at 10pm that feels uncomfortable because im white. Ive been called cracker, white boy, slow, unathletic, whatever by black kids before. I was a white basketball player. Ive been called Larry Bird, Kevin Mchale, i never got called michael jordan.

Racism exists, of course, but we all deal with it. it exists everywhere, and i think Affirmitive action promotes it

Affirmitive action just exposes the racism that is already there. i'm all for affirmitive action. no point in being a racist if you're gonna do it behind someones back

[BanginJimmy]

I have to give up on this thread. We have Tony, Total Blender and Airmax that will not see the black man at fault no matter what the situation is. I mean really guys, how much crystal clear evidence do you need to figure this out? Gates over-reacted and pulled the race card, Crowley was a complete professional throughout. There is NO other explanation to be had when you look at the evidence.

I keep hearing about how racism is alive and well in this country, we have whites still being blamed for something that happened in our grand and great grandparents days at the very latest and even that was only in the south. For the rest of the country it ended more than 150 years ago.

Its time to quit being alarmist, and realize that while racism does exist, not everyone is a racist just because they happen to be white. The Jackson and Sharpton, and now Gates crowd are making claims of racism a complete joke. The last 2 major cases of "racism" both happened to be complete BS. If you really want race relations to improve, look inward just as much as you look outward. Keep the idiots like Jackson, Sharpton, and Gates out of the news. Keep hateful people like Rev. Wright off the pulpit. Most important, speak out AGAINST people that make BS claims of racism.

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Affirmitive action just exposes the racism that is already there. i'm all for affirmitive action. no point in being a racist if you're gonna do it behind someones back

Affirmative Action requires racial bias. Wait, I though AA was meant to help remove racial bias?

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You should read it, i think you would understand my point of view more. Most poeple read it and saw OMG YOU ARE RACIST MIKE. When in reality im advocating equality and being pro-active.

Could you as a black man have faced racism, ABSOLUTELY. Ill tel you what though, ive been the white kid in the gym at 10pm that feels uncomfortable because im white. Ive been called cracker, white boy, slow, unathletic, whatever by black kids before. I was a white basketball player. Ive been called Larry Bird, Kevin Mchale, i never got called michael jordan.

Racism exists, of course, but we all deal with it. it exists everywhere, and i think Affirmitive action promotes it

i lost my job because i was called a cracker in a corporate enviroment, who do i complain to and who do i suue because i bet if i used a racial slur back i would have been reamed and mr sharpton would be outside my house with a loudspeaker. seriously guys i was racially descriminated against at a company with 85% black employees and was picked on from the day i started but when i was called a cracker i was offended, my black supervisor heard him say it and guess who got in trouble and lost their job. . .me. my mother works for the gov't, a fellow employee was caught stealing yet she is not fired because she will sue becuase she is black, her boss even said so so please explain this fellas. it makes no damn sense.