Obviously hurt. Even coach pop said so, he also said cp3 was the best pg in the nba. But i know you didnt watch any of the videos.Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
You must didnt see game 3? They are trash compared to the spurs, we all know that. CP3 on the spurs, they would still be playing now....... and im glad u put and crew in that statement....
Looks like tonight we'll find out who OKC will be beating on. Later, QD.
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you're right, you got me. I dont know anything about basketball. Ive never touched a basketball, played basketball or seen a basketball game. The only reason i even know any players names is from sitting in applebees and hearing people at the bar talk about sports. I'm a really good auditory learner, so just from catching bits and pieces of idle conversation, ive managed to stay semi up to date on the NBA since around 1995. Never watched a game though. Is Chris Paul a white guy?
Yep. Miami took charge late. Doesn't look good for the Celtics.
The West in 6. Later, QD.
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You only can judge what you see. TNT, ESPN, ABC, NBA TV if you are lucky.... i think you fail to realize how many games a year you miss by having the regular channels. But anyway, I've shown you what you need to see, you ignored it so theres nothing really to discuss anymore about this topic.
There will be a lot more defense from Miami compared to San Antonio. Don't you think wade and lebron will come with a fury/passion/intensity that we've never seen before? IE: Game 6 of the eastern conference finals. They are tired of people saying they can't win it all. This series will be GREAT!
No. Not that we've never seen before. I don't doubt that they will come with a little fury and intensity, but not with passion. I just don't think they have it. And, according to words flying around the NBA, this may be their last chance to get it. Later, QD.
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the only 2 guys that can go punch for punch with Lebron and Wade is WB and Durant. its gonna be a great series.
OKC in 6
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Come on, Mike! Get with the times, man. The below quote, I made on May 23, lolol. I've been calling this for 3 weeks now, sir.
Later, QD.
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You're right again. You need to watch 2460 games a year to have an opinion on basketball.
The only thing you've shown me is that you're a jackass.
Jdm94Coupe: this is a (fun) shot at you, man, lolol.
Statistically, since you're all about stats, the Thunder outweighs the Heat in 4 out of 6 main categories. Points per game, rebounds per game, field goal percentage and free throw percentage is all handled by the Thunder. The Heat has the edge in assist per game and three point percentage, although in that last category, they only have a .001% edge, lolol.
Doesn't look like this "dream team" may only be a dream.
Good night. Later, QD.
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Defense doesn't matter for anything right? Durant and Westbrook will get theirs. Lebron and Wade will get theirs. The keys for either team IMO, is harden and bosh..... Look at what happened April 4th in miami..... Wade can LOCK down harden, which btw a lot of close games okc plays, harden finishes them. Dont be shocked to see miami walk in okc and shut up all this noise. Just like ppl were talking about them losing to indiana(w/out bosh).... just like saying they were losing to boston(w/out bosh)..... they hear this and feel the disappointment from last year. All im saying is the series will not be okc walking over miami as everybody suspects. No need to scream at me, i like both teams so it doesnt matter to me.
In the playoffs this year.... miami allows 88ppg.... okc gives up 96 ppg....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is #2 in opponent fg % allowed....... okc is #8 in the nba in fg% allowed....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is averaging more rebounds a game then okc.....
In the playoffs this year.... miami is #1 in the nba in point differential, okc is # 2.....
this series will be good. end of story.
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Grow up. The only thing you've shown me is when somebody proves you wrong, you ignore what you see. You need to watch more then 2 cp3 games to know what he is about, but like i said. I showed you the videos, stats, fact that the nba voted him #1 pg OFFENSIVELY and DEFENSIVELY. You think their are pg's better then him, but you have no leg to stand on. You have no shown me anything that says their is a PG better. He's head and shoulders away from EVERY pg in the nba statistically. He's not #1 in every category, but he's high in EVERYTHING, making him the most consistent pg in the nba. Look at the efficiency homie, no contest.
I'm rooting for OKC.
This has been a truly entertaining debate. Im rooting for OKC as well.
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Looks like it will be heat all the way.
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you havnt proven anyone wrong. Your OPINION is that anyone who doesnt share your OPINION is because they dont watch basketball. All you keep doing is repeating....
"if you dont agree with me, you dont watch basketball"
FACTS have been given..... you confuse facts with opinions..... all that shit i typed and sent you was FACTS! Efficiency does not lie.
Here is another opinion of mine..... http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...r%2fstatistics
"Everybody?" Care to correct this? I've been saying for three weeks that it will go to six games. How is that a walk over?
Scream at you?
I agree it will be a good one.
It'll just be a bit better for the winning team, aka Oklahoma City. Later, QD.
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Ok, so when we're talking Chris Paul, regular season stats matter. Since ofcourse, Chris Paul doesnt have much experience in the playoffs or meaningful games since he's spent the majority of his career being the primary option for an insignificant team.
But now that we're talking about something other than Chris Paul, all of a sudden playoff stats carry more weight than the regular season.
OKC's playoff stats couldnt have anything to do with having to play the Mavericks, Lakers and Spurs could it? or that Miami had a gravy train run to the finals that they still struggled with?
You see what you want to see and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. For as much as you keep down talking me, the main thing we disagree on is that your opinion is an opinion. For some reason, you feel as if someone anointed you as the deciding say in basketball. What you think is not a fact. It's an opinion.
My opinion is this......
PG rising to the occasion in the playoffs, leading his team to the finals, winning the championship and being finals mvp > pg with the best regular season stats.
By your logic, BJ Symons is the greatest college QB in the history of football. Since stats are the only thing that matters...... not the significance of opponents, the game or the setting.... just stats. We cant take into account when and where the stats took place or how meaningful the game was... stats are stats and they tell everything.
Dear NFL, the greatest QB ever is playing for the Tampa Bay Storm arena football team.
oh.. and Xavier Omon was a better running back than Barry Sanders. Sure OKST's big 12 schedule was probably a little harder than Northwest Missouri State, but hey.... stats are stats.
To add to this, dude:
Remember, Miami played New York (15th in scoring) and Indiana (8th) to start the series. Not exactly the cream of the crop. Oklahoma City, on the other hand had to go through Dallas (6th), the Lakers (5th) and the Spurs (2nd) in the same category. Miami barely exceeds the Thunder in rebounds and points allowed percentage. It's not like Miami, on paper, really outshines OKC at all.
Also remember, The Thunder had to go through the past 13 year's worth of NBA finalists to get here. Miami just three of the teams from the past 13 years. The Thunder played Dallas (champions last year out of 2 appearances), the Lakers (champions 5 times out of 7 appearances) and the Spurs (4 champions out of 4 appearances). They obviously had the tougher road to hoe, man. Later, QD.
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football is the last thing i wanna talk about. i hate it so bad its not even funny. way too slow of a game for me. you are 100% right about anything football related. no argument here.
Kool, this will be a great series.
You can't really base your facts on what team plays what team and how they did versus the other team. High ranked teams can still be beaten. Simple....
Kc will not be able to match up with the heat... Durant can't lock down labron.... even if he did they have wade and Bosch. The bench is what is going to make the difference for the teams. It will be a good series but Miami will end up pulling off the win.
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^^^ Lolol.
I'll start and finish by saying that Kansas City doesn't even have a basketball team, much less representing in the Finals. That's enough to void your entire post. Later, QD.
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its not about football, its about your method of argument and twisting of statistics to support your opinions that you are delusional enough to believe are legitimate facts.
in one post you use statistics one way, then in another you use them the opposite way.
On paper in the playoffs, STATISTICALLY the Miami Heat have had a more impressive trip to the finals. The stats cant show what the human eye can see and our brains can understand.......... OKC went thru an absolute gauntlet of championship caliber teams to make it to the finals.
If player A scores 19 points and has 9 assists vs the best team in the NBA, on the road in the NBA finals.
Player B scores 32 points and 14 assists vs the Wizards in the 3rd game of the season.
Which player had the better game??????
Stats are not the only deciding factor. Your opinion is just that.............. an opinion. You think your opinion is fact...... and that's because you're a delusional jackass.
is this guy trolling?
Stats are stats man. We went over this when we came to the conclusion that Chris Paul was the best PG in the history of the NBA.
it doesnt matter who you played, when you played them or what the stakes were..... accumulation of stats... all that matters.
I've posted atleast 10 times so hardly. I have more things to do with my time. Sorry I can't stop working on my cars to pull facts off google to keep up with you oh so brilliant sport fanatics. (Sarcasm)
Do you feel threatened by me? You seem to always try to call me out. If you would like to continue your dick ride be my guess.
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My opinion is not what I am talking about. You ignored the facts, simple as that. Me and vteckidd talked about you. when you are wrong, you do anything to take the topic away from what we are talking about..... ie: tebow and w/e else bullshit you brought in here. all the bullshit football talk
point is. chris paul is the best pg in the nba. period. all the people who cover the nba on a professional level (not you and me) voted and showed who the best was. including the coaches of the very pg's you say are better then cp3.
the facts are the nba first team. and the nba first team defense. that is not my opinion, you look stupid and you continue to run your shit talker about me and name calling. grow up.
by any chance have you compared your cars to the brilliant sports fanatics who spend all day on google pulling up sports facts?
Why would I care to compare my cars too anyone? That question was rhetorical and stupid.
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Your opinions are not facts. The only reason i give other examples are to make a point about how you use statistics in your argument. You take the same exact stat and use it in opposite ways.
"Chris Paul is the NBA 1st team PG" < Fact.
"Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA" < Opinion.
Voting is not an infallible process of determining who is better, regardless of who cast the votes or how experienced they are. Even if Micheal Jordan thinks Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA, that is still just Jordan's opinion.
Las Vegas is filled with "experts who cover sports on a professional level (not you and me)" they vote and determine who is the better team in every contest that gets played every single year. I suppose they have a 100% ratio of deciding outcomes right?
Anything that involves votes, polls, or any method of letting people not involved in the contest decide who is better.... is not a fact.
Fact- Chris Paul is 10-17 in the playoffs with most of his losses being blowouts by Tony Parker himself.
Fact- Tony Parker avgs 1 less ppg than Paul and plays nearly 5 minutes less a game. Parker's point per minute avgs are higher.
Paul vs Parker in head to head in games that actually mattered this season.
Game 1 - Paul 10 assists, 5 turnovers, 6 points Loss.
Game 2 - Paul 5 assists, 8 turnovers, 10 points Loss.
Game 3 - Paul 11 assists, 3 turnovers, 12 points Loss.
Game 4 - Paul 11 assists, 2 turnovers, 23 points. Finally a good game from God's anointed PG..... but he turned the ball over in the potentially game winning situation. Loss.
Game 1 - Parker 11 assists, 4 turnovers, 7 points. Win.
Game 2 - Parker 5 assists, 3 turnovers, 22 points. Win.
Game 3 - Parker 10 assists, 3 turnovers, 23 points. Win.
Game 4 - Parker 5 assists, 6 turnovers, 17 points. Win.
Another thing about Parker, he plays up to his competition............ which Chris Paul and the Clippers offer very little of.
Chris Paul's statistics decrease in the playoffs from his season totals. Tony Parker's season stats increase in the playoffs.
Chris Paul's PPG went from 19.8 during the season to 17.6 in the playoffs and 12.5 in head to head meetings with Tony Parker.
Tony Parker's PPG went from 18.3 during the season to 20.1 in the playoffs, 22.2 vs their toughest competitor OKC and 24.5 in his last trip to the NBA Finals.
These statistics support my OPINION that GREAT players rise to the occasion during the real season. Tony Parker has been on the grand stage and he took home the trophy. When the going gets tough, Tony Parker's stats rise. The exact opposite for Chris Paul.
I could give a fuck less who wins regular season awards....... every player in the NBA plays the game for 1 reason......... and Tony Parker has 3 of them.
Chris Paul's stats, even though they are better on paper than the other PGs in the conversation..... theyre relative to the pack. He isnt blowing anyone away statistically. So with that said..................
I'll take the PG with the rings.
if you cant fucking understand that post then you need to call mediacom tell them to send you out an HD cable box while on your way to the eyedoctor, because you obviously arent seeing the games as clearly as i am.
Point being....... it appears your tireless efforts have been fruitless. Perhaps you should partake in arguing with us on forums and browsing google as it seems those methods have yielded better results.
Reserved for "but Parker has HOFers like Tim Duncan on his team blah blah blah beep beep choo choo excuse train coming thru"
Need to finish cleaning my house and eat some food, then i'll be back to dry up the tears that are about to be spewing from JDM.
best pf to ever play the game has nothing to do with parker getting rings. i agree with you. makes sooo much sense.
Give me an explanation for the stats i provided. You've been a stat junky and proclaimed expert this entire thread so lets hear it. When you argue a point, the stats are concrete evidence and cannot be disputed.............
so dispute the stats i just laid forth. you have no answer because there is no answer.
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How so... I drive a m3 and a Miata?...... Im 23 and go to athens tech, and own my own business. You don't know anything about me. I sold a single cam 240 and ur your basing all your information off that. I don't have time to sit around looking up pointless information. Why do y'all give a fuck? You probably suck at sports, but you know everything about these said sports. I play basketball but I don't dick ride all the players stats. I mean I idolize some players but not enough to google their whole career.
Did you just learn all those words today? You think by throwing out such words makes you look cool? Your wasting your education on a forum congratulations sir.
If you would like too compare builds we can do that? But more so on the track
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I think OKC has more depth and is a much deeper team than Miami has faced. Lets be honest Boston was 8 minutes from going to the finals, OKC has a depth and scoring that Boston does not.
Ibaka and Perkins and Collison , we saw what they did to the Spurs/Lakers/Dallas bigs. WB will be all over Chalmers.
The key to he heat having any shot IMO is BOsh playing exceptional, 3pt shooters have to hit, and wade has to show up.
OKC IMO just has to play GOOD
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