This is why we need the fairtax, FTW.
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This is why we need the fairtax, FTW.
You can whine all you want and justify it using whatever COLOR you want, but the bottomline is that it ISN'T fair that anyone gets a disproportionate part of the tax burden.
If the more you make.....then the more you should GET. That is FAR and away NOT the way it actually is. You want to about the "real world"???? How about THAT reality???.....there are MILLIONS of lazy people living off WORKING people.....including YOU if you have a job and pay ANY taxes. Personally, I think that is bullshit. Why should I have to pay for YOUR inability to provide for yourself for an extended amount of time??? Why? If there wasn't that safety cushy net, maybe you wouldn't fall. This country REWARDS failure rather than teach people NOT to fail.
If I make more money than you, then I A: should get MORE than you and B: not be made to support you.
Stand up on your own two damn feet. Why expect someone to carry you???
No matter which way you cut it, the minority should never pay for the majority. The majority should pay for itself.
Again, ironchef brought up an excellent point: The more you pay, the more services you should receive. Wouldn't that just chap all the Cynthia Mckinney's of the worlds ass???? Then it would be true discrimination, wouldn't it????
I want to hear from all the bleeding hearts a real common sense justification of why the wealthier you are the more you should pay for anything. Why the double standard?? Are roads more expensive on one side of the tracks than the other to build???? Then why should one pay more than the other for the same road they share???? Explain that.
I believe anyone can get a job if they really wanted to. I don't think it's fair that they get to live off of everyone else. You can thank your good ol' buddies in the U.S. gov't for them being able to do that. Complaining to everyone else isn't gonna change anything.
The way this country is set up, the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the middle class citizens continuously fight to keep their heads above water.
amen six 2 six, and I dont know what roads cbr is tlaking about, but the roads in e atl and the west end are the shitty roads ever. Buckhead and alpharetta already have the best schools and the best infrastructure. If you don't beleive that call me and i'll personally take you on a tour. Also, I extend the opportunity to tutor in my program if you owuld like to get a hands on feel for the true situation, not the rhetoric you hear on TV.
Also, whatever reservations you have against the "bums" that live in this area, you still can't punish their children or relegate them to bad infrastructure/education
It is definitely apparent in the educational system. I know first hand because I'm a senior in high school. The differences between north and south county schools is an atrocity.Quote:
Originally Posted by alawa
Theres programs that alleviate this problem, called minority to majority or majority to minority, i can't remember. Anyway, last I recall reading about it, it allows someone to transfer to a school where they feel they will get a better education, and they work out some kind of transportation system with the county. So, if you really wanted a better education that could be something you could look into. Unfortunately many don't, yet they still cry about the educational problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six2Six
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Originally Posted by fire7882
which is why sometimes its hard justifying working harder...i like moeny, money motivates me but if i made 200k, i would be pissed cause im essentially not making much more due to taxes as the guy making 130k...make sense??
As far as you calling me out on being 19, i took AP econ in 11th grade and was the ONLY one at my school taking Econ that was a junior...food for thought... and currently no, i am not enrolled in school but thats because ive lived out of my parents house since i was 16 and pay for all my own shit. Look at my cars ive owned...for the most part, theyve all been shitty
back to topic though...if it was a miced racial environment and wouldnt seem like segregation to a few complainers who want to play race card, nobody would bitch////kinda reminds me about the whole hurricane katrina situation but thats a whole other topic:goodjob:
you just probably unknowigly contradicted yourself...the rich get richer and the poor get poorer but yet "anyone can get a job"? please clarify your stance on this becuase YES, anyone CAN get a job and if they work hard, reap the benefits....Quote:
Originally Posted by Six2Six
the rich get richer and the poor get poorer is funny too because the rich get richer but also pay for more of the poor peoples shit also...the irony....
I wouldn't want to do that anyway. I like being around my own people. :goodjob:Quote:
Originally Posted by ironchef
If the school board would distribute the money and opportunity like they should, then there wouldn't be any need for busing and what not. You shouldn't have to drive 30-40 minutes to go to school when there's one in your own neigborhood.
and if south fulton PAID enough, im sure they would...Quote:
Originally Posted by Six2Six
prime example: look at gwinnett around the duluth lawrenceville area....we have MANY "upper class schools"...why? because we pay a fuckload of taxes...if south fulton provides 20% of taxes, they should inheirently(sp) get 20% of the services...i think thats the point a few are trying to make
Yes, anyone can get a job with some effort. Even if it's minimum wage, you got to start somewhere. No, you shouldn't live off of the gov't unless you just have no other option. And as soon as opportunity arises, take it so you can stop getting gov't assistance and the money can go to the next person that really needs it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveo
Is that clear enough for you?
The only thing rich people are concerned about is keeping their money where it's within arms reach.Quote:
the rich get richer and the poor get poorer is funny too because the rich get richer but also pay for more of the poor peoples shit also...the irony....
They probably don't distribute it because they see the funding will go nowhere. Lets take a school in north fulton which have 99% of their students go on to college vs south fulton which im willing to bet is a much lower number, the disparity between the two causes the disappropriated funds. Now im all for the kids in south fulton being provided all the same stuff we got in north fulton, but on the same token if they were to be provided with the opportunities, would they take advantage of them? Looking at the state of affairs down there, it doesn't seem to me like they would. That's all my opinion though. I had a friend that actually participated in the M to M program. He lived past the airport even, yet made the trip everyday up here to a school in alpharetta. So if someone wants it bad enough, they can do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six2Six
I don't care how many times you say it, it still doesn't make it right. It's ONE fuckin county. If they want to keep the money up north, then damn it they need to split.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveo
And whats wrong with that? Why should undeserving people get their hands on my hard earned money? They sit on their fat asses on the couch and go to the welfare office once a week or month or whatever, while I work 9-5 or more 5 days a week? For what? Just so part of that money will go to those useless people that contribute nothing to society?Quote:
Originally Posted by Six2Six
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Originally Posted by Six2Six
ding ding ding, we got a winner!!
i dont understand why you are bitching cause you just said a few posts up you didnt want to leave...thats your choice:goodjob: but yet you just keep repeating the fact about how money is distributed...
if you dont like it, move the fuck on
But the kids in south Fulton aren't even getting the opportunity to take advantage of what the school system provides to north county schools. How in the hell do you expect someone to take advantage of something when it's not even there?Quote:
Originally Posted by ironchef
Im pretty sure there is a reason for that. I doubt the government is going to appropriate funds for say 25 new computers for a computer lab when only 4-5 out of 25 students will want to use those computers to further their education.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six2Six
You didn't prove anything. Yeah, I like it down here. It's quiet, plenty of land, and plenty of people I can actually deal with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveo
dude ironchef, you are right on point...Quote:
Originally Posted by ironchef
626, you ever worked at a grocery store?? back when i worked at kroger, a lady came in and bought $400 something in groceries on FOOD STAMPS (ALL name brand shit). I dont eat all named brand shit but they come through with like $90 in coke, Velveeta shells and cheese, ETC. Why?? because its free...fuck they ate better than my family did. At the end of the buggy, the lady boughta 12 pack and a bottle of wine...she then gave my bagger $10 to take all her free shit the WE just paid for outside...guess what she drove?? a new expedition while I just fed her and her fat ass family
i wasnt proving anyhting there...i was simply stating, instead of bitching, move to a different county...Quote:
Originally Posted by Six2Six
I guess I really can't expect anything different from you. You have no idea what it's like being treated like a second class citizen just because of where you live or the color of your skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironchef
And no, I'm not trying to play the race card. I'm just going off of what was mentioned in the article.
Nah, I think you were bitching. And FYI, we used to live in Cobb. Much nicer people there. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveo
I guess you didn't read my earlier posts about life in a 3rd world country. Come back and talk to me when you've lived in a country which had one of the worlds lowest GDPs, and lets compare the quality of life and treatment of people. Im just sick and tired of all these people bitching about their shitty situations. If you've got some brain capacity, aren't disabled, and have the drive you too can succeed in life. Spend more time working towards success and less time bitching and see where you end up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six2Six
And I guess you didn't read my earlier post stating that anyone can get a job if they put forth the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by ironchef
And I'm not in a 'shitty' situation. Quite the contrary actually. I'm just a mere advocate for everyone else. ;)
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Originally Posted by Six2Six
im not bitching...my family is multiracial so i get shit from both sides...now what??
626, please try to make whatever point you are trying and move the hell on...after reading your posts in here, i have no idea WTF you are trying to prove/argue for or against
Same here dude, I have no idea what hes trying to say. I don't get why i'm even answering his posts lol. /thread for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveo
I dunno. Party? :???:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveo
That's probably because this thread has strayed away from it's original intent quite a few times. Let's do a recap...Quote:
626, please try to make whatever point you are trying and move the hell on...after reading your posts in here, i have no idea WTF you are trying to prove/argue for or against
How's that?
- I personally think the county is too large to adequately serve all of it's citizens equally.
- I also believe too many of the politicians/board members/council persons/whatever are too concerned with their own agendas to get anything done.
- I think the school system is horrible when it comes to money/opportunity distribution and any one who can't see that must be blind.
- If these problems can't be solved, I think the county should split. Let the north county folks keep their shit, and let the south county folks try to gain what has been kept from them.
you win
yay
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Originally Posted by Six2Six
- Then why debate AGAINST the splitting then? :thinking:
All county officials that can manage that money are ELECTED. Next election, cast a vote for someone YOU feel is better. You are probably right, but the only way to change that is to VOTE and make that change. Their posts all have terms. They're not perpetual.Quote:- I also believe too many of the politicians/board members/council persons/whatever are too concerned with their own agendas to get anything done.
Problem is that too many people complain blindly, yet don't go to the voting booth when it's time. So if you don't vote, you have no voice and you have no right to complain IMO.
See, problem is way too many people DEPEND on the "gov't" to feed them, clothe them, educate them, support them, etc.Quote:- I think the school system is horrible when it comes to money/opportunity distribution and any one who can't see that must be blind.
Every single person has the CHOICE to attend private schools or even home school if they don't feel the gov't school that HOME OWNERS pay for is not good enough. Not everyone will have the means, but that too is NOT anyone else's fault.
So the bottomline is that noone is forced to stay in a bad school, you have choices. Few, but you have choices. So if you are going to a school that has "less resources" then either move or go to a different kind of school.
Quote:- If these problems can't be solved, I think the county should split. Let the north county folks keep their shit, and let the south county folks try to gain what has been kept from them.
Although I agree with you and based on your statement you agree as well, notice how you word your statement.Quote:
How's that?
You are convinced that N. Fulton is the haves and S. Fulton is the have nots. The North folks have their own "shit", yet the South folks are trying to get "what's been kept FROM them"..... :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
lirl, jaime, how long does it take you to put together a post?
not living in Fulton Co. FTW!
for real...for once im glad im in gwinnett..
If milton county actually happens, that will be the shit. They finally finish all the goddamn road construction up here.
what construction? i never go past medlock hardly...is that where the milton area would be?Quote:
Originally Posted by ironchef
Which road? Every freaking road that is public. There is no access limitation. You can drive on both the roads up north as you do the ones down south. There is no police stopping you from riding on them, is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by alawa
You obviously didn't get it.
Taxes are supposed to go towards PUBLIC improvements. Schools, roads, fire stations, police stations, police cars, fire trucks, gov't buildings, etc. ALL of those improvements are AVAILABLE and FOR every single resident in the county. To be perfectly honest and if you want to be truly fair about property taxes and what they should and should not go to......the HOME OWNERS should have the biggest say so and use since they are the ones that pay the lion's share of the taxes. Wanna talk about "even" distribution??? How about that? Since I pay MORE property taxes than YOU, then I SHOULD be able to "get" more things, right??? Why not? That's exactly what you and 626 are alleging and fighting for. That's "even" as even can be. You PAY more into it, you GET more out. What's wrong with that?
So the road I was talking about is the 2 way one where you can't have it both ways and PAY less yet WANT more, that road.
Why is that?Quote:
Buckhead and alpharetta already have the best schools and the best infrastructure.
No need. My brother lives there. My nephew goes to Alpharetta school district. You know why he does??? Because my brother WANTED the best school for HIS son and he WANTED that area, so he bought a house and MOVED there. End of discussion. He lived in Gwinnett and didn't like the school my nephew went to. He was driving 45 mins each way to work already. Nice area, nice school, moved.....not that difficult.Quote:
If you don't beleive that call me and i'll personally take you on a tour. Also, I extend the opportunity to tutor in my program if you owuld like to get a hands on feel for the true situation, not the rhetoric you hear on TV.
To be perfectly honest, this is why we ALL should be given the choice as to which school our children attend if we feel our assigned school is not doing a good job in educating our children. Until that happens, picking up and moving is the only choice if you want to stay in gov't schools.
I live WHERE I live for the same reason my brother moved. I didn't like the school my daughter was going to....it was gov't.....so I moved closer to my office and a much better school. Problem solved. If stayed where I used to live, which was a very nice house with nice roads and close to everything, then I only have MYSELF to blame for the poor education of MY children.
If you depend LESS on the gov't to provide for you....shady politicians, bad politics, liberal school teachers, shitty school supplies, and bad education will NOT have such a traumatic effect on your everyday life.
Pull up your boot straps and take control of your own destiny. Depending on the gov't for everything will only make you as good as it is. No better, no less. Is that your only aspiration? If so, then continue your course. If not, then do something about it.
If I get rolling.....not long..... :D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steveo
damn...well said yet againQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
I just wanted to point something out.
South Fulton schools don't have the $ for new books an infrastructure because they have to pay their teachers up to 15% more because nobody wants to work there. If the students had a little respect and the parents actually gave a damn about their kids’ education and life, things might be different. At the beginning of the 2006-2007 school year, Fulton County had close to 100 openings for school teachers and I’m not sure if they were all filled.
If anything, S. Fulton's education system is getting more money