these are the only wheels that you can get that will have the 3" lip. no other company makes them with a lip like that. i just bought a set like 2 months ago and they were not cheap! also 900 is a hell of a deal with tires! this guy is a dumb ass and doesnt know what he is talking about. there is no way that you can get a set with out tires for 500. good luck with that.