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Originally Posted by BallerDave04
Oh I got mine from here:
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Originally Posted by BallerDave04
Oh I got mine from here:
http://www.studia.no/bookcovers/978/...0470184080.jpg
forgive my ignorance if this is incorrect. but isnt our country considered a democratic republic? reason being a true democracy is run by the people, were every vote truely counts and what no, where as in our democratic republic, we elect representatives from the common people to lead or nation and they run the country for the people.
I understand where everyone is coming from. I'm just trying to figure out why you are putting your trust completely in the government when you know just about everyone in the government is kinda shady. I believe in our government too. First because God has chosen to elect those that rule over is. It's a matter of honor. Honor is a very important attribute in God's eyes. Second, they have done many good things for it's people.
One thing you have to realize is that government is still flawed because it is under the control of man. Man can be corrupted and fall victim to many other things that can cause greed and such.
So what I'm saying is just be careful what you put your trust in. I know for a fact that Jesus will never turn His back on me.
Sounds correct. I never said we weren't a republic. I was just correcting BallerDave for claiming we were not a democracy at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacknightteg
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Originally Posted by 1439/2000
LOL!
Yes very true, sorry for the mix-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacknightteg
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Originally Posted by BMW
oh i wasnt discrediting you at all i just wanted to get the correct terminology out there.
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Originally Posted by BallerDave04
God chose Hitler to kill his people too. Interesting how God can mess up our leaders every once in a while.
God doesn't bring destruction. That is the work of Satan. John 10:10 states that. That's what the video was talkin about, corruption from demons and satan leading our government to do things they wouldn't normally do eg: Death camps in America, A New World Order etc.Quote:
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That's the point I'm trying to convey.Quote:
Originally Posted by BallerDave04
The government is our father. We are its children. The only thing we can do at this point is hope that the government is here to do just that: govern. That's why our parents chose to raise us in the US and not Afghanistan.
Sure there are things I'm sure they're hiding but reason is that we really don't need to know. If we do know these things we as people will blow them out of proportion and cause mayhem.
Sometimes the answers are right there in front of your face. Those coffins are there in the event of an emergency. Its called preparedness. If you look around our whole life is about expecting the unexpected. I carry a first aid kit and jumper cables in the back just in case. Just because I have them doesn't mean that I'm planning on strangling someone with the cables and cleaning the scene with gauze. Everyone is blowing things out of proportion.
The same applies to martial law. Its called preparedness. In some cases we MAY have to execute a large revolutionary group. As long as we have the supplies and the means to do it I'm not worried being a law abiding citizen.
wow, people really are that dumb?
Sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nismo
It's true, I am all for preparedness. Have you ever considered preparing for government corruption? If that is the case then we are in some deep poo poo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW
great pictures of concentration camps in europe, guantanamo bay, and out-dated pictures of military (army and marines) in the pre-2004 uniforms that we don't wear anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by OUTLAW
same crapQuote:
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where do you expect fema to put bodies? you think it's practical for people to conduct a clean up and put every dead body in a car and drive it off to the local morge. mass casualty situations require bulk materials for temporary transportation until identification and notifications can be completed.Quote:
Originally Posted by OUTLAW
come on man, i'm not doubting the fact that they have a lot full of supplies like that, but what do you expect? it's fema! they come out to help and aid as well as clean up after the destruction.Quote:
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For that to happen EVERY SINGLE government official would have to be corrupt. That explanations not holding any water at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by BallerDave04
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Originally Posted by BMW
exacally!
for example, our country doesn't sit and wait for a war to happen and then say, "well it's time to make some tanks, get out the steel and gun powder.... we need ammunition!"
hell, it's just common sense especially for a huge commadity such as fema. for them to be prepared to react and provide the needed support they have to keep supplies in stock in large quantities stored all over the country.
fema can't just have a fema lot in one state and expect to provide support to the entire country from that single location. they have to be placed all over with a minimum required amount of supplies in order to be prepaired to answer the call at a moments notice.
It only takes a couple of people to declare Martial Law. I would assume when that happens that some folks would go crazy and retaliate. Then that would cause more government retaliation so on and so forth. Americans though they are very loyal to the government for the most part are also very proud as well. If you tried to take their guns away or other types of freedoms away some folks would go crazy. Again, I'm not saying that the whole THEORY of Martial Law is true, but the end of the world will start in America. It says in the Bible "The New Babylon" Is where the corruption will start. You know what that means?Quote:
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yup cause america was around during that timeQuote:
Originally Posted by BallerDave04
or maybe they knew that in 1775 the united states would be created so they just left it as a suspense item and called it the new babylon... even though babylon is here in iraq :-/
Thank you! Finally someone informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type-R
I felt like the whole world was going crazy until you showed up.
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Originally Posted by BMW
fashionably late :D
Babylon is meaning the greatest city or country of the time. Wouldn't you all agree that America is the greatest country in the world? The writer of Revelations could only see images of what God was tellin him. So he used the word Babylon to describe a great city or country. Of course America wasn't around at that time. We are in the modern Babylon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type-R
Seriously, I had to explain that one?
ok well that is a contradicting statement because the greatest city or country of the time "new babylon" could be related to a lot of places over the course of 2 thousand yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by BallerDave04
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Originally Posted by BallerDave04
God speaking in riddles is ridiculous. Babylon "the greatest city" is Jerusalem to Jews, Mecca to Muslims, Aspen for skiers, Paris for lovers. Its something to everyone. Don't tell me you have the Bible figured out because you don't.
Just like Nostradamus, you can go back and make vague connnections to explain the past but you can never explain whats going to happen.
It's not contradicting because you have to look at the other signs that are surrounding those verses as well. besides that, do you really believe that the United States of America will ever NOT be the greatest country in the world until the end of time? Who's gonna be better than the US?Quote:
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Don't you think the Romans thought that too? The Egyptians? Persians? Civilizations have been reading these texts for millinia and comparing it to themselves in the current day.
It doesn't say "greatest" meaning most fun or what you think the best is. It's obvious all over the world that the United States of America is the most powerful and influential. You ask anyone around the world and they will tell you the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1439/2000
lol, people have been trying to relate "signs" to verses in the bible for centuries and time keeps on ticking along. and i do feel that our great country will soon lose it's value if a economic failure occurs. our military might will always out-match all other counties but every country has it's pro's and con's and most larger counties think their country is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by BallerDave04
it's just a point of view contest.
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No they wont! Have you ever travelled? America is a new country. Jerusalem has been the center of the world in 3 religions for centuries and people there thing THAT place is the most influential. Its subjective.
Like I was saying, you have to look at the other text. I don't have time to explain the whole book of Revelations to you but I'll give you an example. It says that the End Times will start with many natural disasters like we have never seen. Wouldn't you agree that there have been more deaths in because of natural disasters lately then ever previously record. Katrina, the earthquake in China, The Tsunami, just to name a few. They have all happened in a matter of three years. This may not sounds very valid to you, but it makes a lot of sense to me.Quote:
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And no, I don't have the Bible figured out. I have been enlightened quite a bit lately though because I seek knowledge, not just believe what others are telling me. By the way, all the info I have shared, I can back up with Biblical scripture.
It's not a matter of nationalism, America is the most powerful nation. We know this. It doesn't matter how new of a nation we are. It's a matter of power.
I just encourage everyone to take matters into their own hands and read Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation. In fact, read the whole book of Matthew, it's really good and interesting. It also shows you what Jesus did for you, because of His undying love toward everyone.
I'm gonna go wash mine and my mom's car. I'll be back later.
disasters will always occur, people die, it's just how things go
i'm not going to debate the bible
shit happens, i don't beleive there is "signs" related to religious sayings. things are going to unfold and happen as a result of leadership and who's running the show.
If you don't believe there are "signs" relating to the end times then are are, in fact, debating against what the Bible says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type-R
Like I said, I don't have time to talk about all of Revelations. Those were just a couple of examples.
i am not religious if that is what you are getting atQuote:
Originally Posted by BallerDave04
so yes, when i sneeze the response i get from people is "when you die nothing happens"
I'm not religious either. Religion is a man made thing. That is beside the point. That's fine if you believe that and if you do then I think you should say out of a conversation you know nothing about. I will teach you a couple things if you like, I have no problem with that. If not then that's cool too. I just feel like all of the surrounding events can tell us and pooint us to what will happen in the future.Quote:
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I have read the bible. I have read the exact same things you have and trust me, you not knowing back religious background is a disadvantage to you. Trying to "explain" to me the bible in laymans terms is preaching to the choir for the lack of a better saying.
Natural disasters are not getting worse or bigger or more frequent. We didnt have CNN or Wikipedia 100 years - 200 years ago. We didnt have as big of populations in concentrated areas as well. Shit happens. Always did and always will.
You make the world seem so bleak now but think about how the end of the world looked in the 1940s. An anti-semite was exterminating Jews, the creating of Israel, 2 major superpoers were standing off at the end of the decade for all out atomic warfare. The end was near 60 years ago. The end was near 160 years ago. The end was near 500 years ago.
wow thats really messed up. for some reason it keeps reminding me of V for Vendetta. maybe we should blow something up like V did.