If QD and S2KJD Dont mind id really like to here the pros and cons to heating and cutting, i have debated on cutting mine for the time being until i get coils, but heating seems alot easier.
Jared... y not??
QD ... process if you dont mind?
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If QD and S2KJD Dont mind id really like to here the pros and cons to heating and cutting, i have debated on cutting mine for the time being until i get coils, but heating seems alot easier.
Jared... y not??
QD ... process if you dont mind?
Honestly, you're right... I don't have the first damn clue about heating springs. The way I see it. If you're too damn cheap to buy a set of springs (especially since I can find decent lowering springs for my car for under 100 bucks), then you obviously could give two flying fucks about your car to begin with. If you hate your car, go right ahead. I'm not against doing custom work but as I said, when it comes to suspension... I'd rather let people who've been doing this for years longer than you have provide me the work. Because what you're saying is that your 40 years of experience is better than a company who's been doing this for much longer? Ok... you win.
Wow calm down dang. Everyone has their own oppions y I asked I wanted to c what others thought not to turn this into a dick measuring contest. Dang cool ur jets people come on. I just seeing my opitions. I want coil overs but for 300. I have to wait. But my front end is pissing me off how high it sits. It just a annoying part of my car. If heating is easy for now be okay..... And the gun isn't usless I can still throw it at u lol it hurts like shit : )
Heating is easier mainly because you don't have to do anything. You don't even have to remove your tire/wheels. You just need car keys, lighter/matches, propane torch ($10 from Wally World) and a hose w/spray nozzle. You need the car keys to turn your ignition on so you can turn your wheels where you ca get to the springs. The lighter/matches to light the torch. The hose because if you have one of those rubber strut boots, it will light up. As soon as it does this, you just spray it down with water. U always just let my boots burn off so I don't have to worry about them anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.Smock
Another reason why I prefer heating over cutting is the ride quality. Cutting the springs creates a more bouncy ride as you're shortening up an already stiff spring into a shorter stiff spring. Less room for the spring to travel when you do hit a bump. A heated spring keeps a good ride quality. My 79 Civic had all but 2 coils heated and you'd never be able to tell it when riding. Very nice, comfortable ride.
The best advice IS to use after market springs because they are done with precision and I've always said this. If you can, get those. But personally, I will always go heated. Saves lots of money. Later, QD.
I didn't really understand anything you just typed.
Edit: I'm talking to lightsout
You're an idiot, aren't you? You have no concept of open-mindedness and therefore are NOT qualified to talk about what your thoughts are. Why would you speak on something you don't know of? You've probably waiting to find something that you THOUGHT you could get me on. But sadly, as you even said yourself, I still win. As far as hating my car, you've seen it. You've even complimented on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSP1660
pssst....it sits on heated springs
Fucking moron. Later, QD.
haha dude its funny you talk as if you want to just conversate but then all you do is talk shit down on people? This is why i said ill discuss this through pm with him b/c you cant be wrong it seems. you improvize on things and i dont nor do i recommend it. so we are different. is one better than the other, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
my arguement isnt whether he should cut or heat its simply dont do it at all when you can buy springs for a mesley 82 bucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
yes and for 82 bucks he can so why advise otherwise?Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
Asshole go somewhere ur 2cents is unwanted.... Like they said earlier they understand me that's all that matters u don't goodbye.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jhadleyh
S2kjd are u going Saturday? If so we. Can talk about it their at the coffee shop okay.... And that random guy who ever u are
and if you must improvize i fully agree with heating bf cutting...its common sense.
after reading this: save your 82 bucks and hold out for coilovers bc you will end up that direction anyways...trust me.Quote:
Originally Posted by LightsOut
so my saying 15 years of experience isnt as legit as you saying your 20 yrs is...:thinking:Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
awesome.
either way...:cheers:
I don't even remember what your car looks like. That's how impacted I was by it. I see one of which is a Civic (which I can only assume is the one I "complimented" on because I think most Pontiacs are fucking ugly as hell... though there are exceptions). It probably looks just like any other Civic out there too. Good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
As for trying to "get you" on something, I was stating my opinion. You even said that buying aftermarket springs is the best option.
As S2KJD said, you're pretty hard to keep a conversation with because for one, everything you say is correct. Oh hail the god of suspension, master of all things that suspension.
I've done about 10 mins of searching online and I can't find one source that says heating springs is a good idea. Then again, like you said, "The best advice IS to use after market springs because they are done with precision and I've always said this. If you can, get those. But personally, I will always go heated. Saves lots of money. Later, QD. " :screwy:
That makes this argument pointless.
still entertaining at least and sure has helped work go by faster :lmfao::goodjob:Quote:
Originally Posted by MSP1660
When I am being "attacked" unnecessarily, then I react. I can be wrong. But in order for me to be wrong, I have to be shown where I'm wrong. Hence where you could have stated why you thought I was wrong. Do you not get that? But again, who are you to say what someone should or should not do?Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
Why not advise otherwise? It's called options. If he wants to spend the $82, then great. No problem. If he wants to save it, just as great. Still not a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
At least we agree on one thing. But why did you underline improvise?Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
Your 15 years experience in what? I have 20 years experience in lowering specifically. I literally have ZERO experience in engine work and all. I know shit about that stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
Again, my main thing is if you're going to accuse me of being wrong, back it up. I have no problem reading reason. I probably won't agree with it, but that's only because my personal experiences tell me otherwise, but I still don't mind reading. And if you come at me respectfully, I got you the same. Later, QD.
No one said you were impacted by it. And I'm not sure how you think my Civic looks like anyone else Civic. I'm the only one on here with a Civic like mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSP1660
And as I stated, as long as I'm not shown why I'm wrong, then of course I'm going to feel like I'm right.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...e/IMG_2541.jpg
Yeah, that looks exactly like everyone else Civic. It's all good. Later, QD.
how much of a drop will heating your springs give you? mind you i have 2" megan racing drop springs as it is..
please show me where i "attacked" you? as i recall i avoided you the best i could. in the fact that he should heat his springs up rather than buy springs for 82 bucks you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
in the fact that heating is the better in improvizing(which i still dont advise doing) than cutting i agreed but that was never my point of saying, "please dont do it."
he mentioned he found springs for 82 bucks. you know thats cheap and you know thats the best option (as you stated that)...so why offer something that is not as of a good choice?Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
b/c, as mentioned, i dont agree with improvizing like that but "if he must" like i said.Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
15 years of screwing around with all parts of cars. i have heated/cut and bought aftermarket springs. now that i have told you that does that all of a sudden change things, no. That's y me saying it doesnt mean anymore than not saying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
thank you for the respectfulness as i totally agree hence i havnt direspected you at all through this entire "conversation" but you have dale and i a number of times. and again when you offer an option like heating and swear by it when the kid can just spend 82 bucks and we both know it is the better route then i feel you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
oh almost forgot to mention...like the ride man :goodjob:
you decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.Smock
First off this thread was extremely hard to read and the only reason i did was because i pretty much get paid to. But now on to my .02.
Second, Lightsout asked for advice on how to go about lowering his car. Everyone gave there opinions, QDs was the cheapest (the op said money was tight and just wanted his car lowered). Yes He can get lowering springs off of ebay but honestly they are no better than heating springs. Think about it, your stock spring have a spring with a spring rate that is mated to your strut, now you take out the spring and replace it with some random spring with a random spring rate that you have no clue what it is(unless you get top dollar springs). So in a couple of months (every car is different) your strut goes out and creates a bouncy ride, now your right back to square one. Yes i have lowering springs on my car and had them on previous vehicles and honestly if i could do it over again i would of just saved for coilovers.
3rd, im not taking any sides but it seems like QD is the only one providing information where is everyone else is just saying no and the people that do give out info on things they really dont know about, yes he will talk you down. And that is because he knows what he is talking about. Its just like if you walk into to some random business and start talking about how there stuff runs on either what you heard or what you think is right and when they correct you, you get all mad. Yes mabe he is a dick about it but thats just the way some people are. Alot of people call me an asshole because im pretty straight forward and dont like bullshit.
4th, If you dont like what i have said get over it. If i have gave out wrong information correct me and let me know. Yes i have spelled some things wrong but it is much eaiser to read then somethings that have been posted on here. I also have no problem telling anyone in person what i have said on here (yes even what i told you in your neg. reps lightsout) you can ask several people on here they call me ASAP asshole for a reason, i do not hide behind the computer screen. ;)
Subtlety is the form of attack you used. You insisted you thought I was wrong without telling me why. Thus trying to undermine what I know without reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
You're opinion only. "Fact" #1 dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
Then you shouldn't have said it. "Fact" #2 in limbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
Because I can. There are always options.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
If I feel disrespected wrongfully, I will retaliate. But you "feeling" that I am wrong doesn't mean I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
I appreciate the words, man. I do. Later, QD.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
On those, I wouldn't go more than 1." One coil would suffice. Lots of people actually do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.Smock
Later, QD.
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Originally Posted by WTF?
you could of just read this and saved yourself a lot of writing. who cares if you think QD knows more than Dale or myself that means about as much as..well you get the point :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
S2Kdude, I'm going to bow out of the conversation as I don't want any friction here between any of us. MSP and I talked through PMs and we both understand that we're still cool and it's all good. From my experiences, I'm good and any argument otherwise will prove fruitless.
So let's call a truce and say cool, yes? Later, QD.
i like this thread, its debative, and actually handled maturely for once lolol
cool cause im ending it hear bc its my lunch and you have made me hungry with all this back and forth lol! :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
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Originally Posted by quickdodgeŽ
great minds think a like cause we basically wrote this at the same time...reference to post above haha! :cheers:
rep for ya...
so heat one coil? and for how long?
I saw that, lolol. Later, QD.Quote:
Originally Posted by S2KJD
Basically what we learned...
Cutting is cheap.
Heating is cheap and better than cutting.
Coils are better than heating but will cost you.
Coilovers are the best however can typically cost an arm and a leg.
If you can't do the best one, go down the chain of cost until you get what you want. Under no circumstance cut springs over heating.
Anyone wanting to read this thread in it's entirety... don't. I saved you alot of time.
Yes, QD and I are back to being friends... lol
lol dale + reps
Fixed, they are called springs people or lowering springs not coilsQuote:
Originally Posted by MSP1660
uhm by heating up the springs wouldn't that fuk up the... something. Thats why they have it the way it is, its better to cut then to heat IMO. Just at the moment I really cant explain....
actually its probaly close to the same cause either way your altering the spring rate and in the end thats what screws most things upQuote:
Originally Posted by FAM0U5
Changed title.
Because whether or not I am "Mr. Belding", it irritates the shit out of me to see ignorance....
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Originally Posted by stillaneon
lolol +reps
Edit: too much rep today :( ill be back tomorrow!!
Read my above post for the sum up. We don't need to relive this entire thread over.Quote:
Originally Posted by FAM0U5
:lmfao: You're welcome for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stillaneon
heatin up the coils or cutting them are alternatives for lowerings your car...but your sacrificing alot when you do so..good discussion tho...heat your springs casey LOL jk
i kinda wanna but im lnot motivated too... i wanna just buy coils but i dont wanna spend the $$ lol
i hear ya bro...