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11-28-2006, 06:42 PM
lightspeed

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Originally Posted by RJ's325ITS

I've seen people do 400whp @ 8psi whit his set-up and at 18 to 22psi they get over 700whp and tq. I wonder my self when is he going to get the car to the dyno and get it tune.....:???:

Are you talking about the s2000 or the bmw? If you mean the s2000, I dont know what turbo you think it has... Its not going to flow anywhere near 700 whp ;) And Id like to see a stock bottom end s2000 take it, even if it could.
11-28-2006, 07:00 PM
RJ's325ITS

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Originally Posted by lightspeed

Are you talking about the s2000 or the bmw? If you mean the s2000, I dont know what turbo you think it has... Its not going to flow anywhere near 700 whp ;) And Id like to see a stock bottom end s2000 take it, even if it could.

I thought you ask about Shawn's BMW. :goodjob:
11-28-2006, 07:09 PM
nextelbuddy

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Originally Posted by RJ's325ITS

I've seen people do 400whp @ 8psi whit his set-up and at 18 to 22psi they get over 700whp and tq. I wonder my self when is he going to get the car to the dyno and get it tune.....:???:

Dude... Shawn you have to come out and play....... BoKi is waiting for you.:yes:

my tec 3 gets back from Vic this thursday. i have been down for about 2 weeks now. i cant wait to get back on the road. also the car is in the shop getting a new heater core and new powere steering lines as well.

i just got my 75 lb injectors and the T67 turbo bolted up recently so car should be running by this weekend.

Vic also made me a base map for 75 lb injectors from some of the guys in Chicago that should be enough to hold me over until i get to tuned.

Boki will rape my ass if he gets that new Horsepower freaks E46 m3 turbo kit.. but for 16k thats a bummer lol
11-28-2006, 07:17 PM
Fast Shadow

yeah i wouldn't buy anything from HPF.
11-28-2006, 07:24 PM
lightspeed

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Originally Posted by RJ's325ITS

I thought you ask about Shawn's BMW. :goodjob:

cool, that makes more sense :goodjob:
11-28-2006, 07:26 PM
b0ki

2.0 bolt on kits and 14 psi = 390 RWHP on honda i think thats good iam sure he can run more boost with C116. Anyway i cant wait this sat ...to re-match Greg and run Rafa.... i think it will be a close race between us.
11-28-2006, 07:27 PM
b0ki

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Originally Posted by nextelbuddy

my tec 3 gets back from Vic this thursday. i have been down for about 2 weeks now. i cant wait to get back on the road. also the car is in the shop getting a new heater core and new powere steering lines as well.

i just got my 75 lb injectors and the T67 turbo bolted up recently so car should be running by this weekend.

Vic also made me a base map for 75 lb injectors from some of the guys in Chicago that should be enough to hold me over until i get to tuned.

Boki will rape my ass if he gets that new Horsepower freaks E46 m3 turbo kit.. but for 16k thats a bummer lol

Well.. I am going turbo soon. but i dont think it will be the HPF kit .... just to much money :P I can get the same power for cheaper :D
11-28-2006, 07:30 PM
RJ's325ITS

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Originally Posted by b0ki

Well.. I am going turbo soon. but i dont think it will be the HPF kit .... just to much money :P I can get the same power for cheaper :D

And who makes a tubo kit for your car under $16,000.00 ?:thinking:
11-28-2006, 07:37 PM
nextelbuddy

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Originally Posted by RJ's325ITS

And who makes a tubo kit for your car under $16,000.00 ?:thinking:

yes.. please dont say Mert @ DA motorsports lol.
11-28-2006, 08:02 PM
ChAmP_CoUpE

ok just to clear some things up ... lol i dont make 390 lol... when they tuned my car they did a super safe tune ... i could easily get better numbers with a more agressive tune... when i got tuned the car made 379 but than he said when he was messing with timing he started to hear a knock so he backed out.... i think he left it around 371.... well last week at dyno day at mainstream the car only made 347 but they said their dyno had been reading low all day! for example a buddy with an srt-4 usually hits 378 on that same dyno that day he made 357.... so if i go according to his numbers my car is around 368- 370 which is about right....Nextel buddy if u wanna play around we can ... im not gonna back down ... whats the worst that can happen i loose? if thats the case i got a couple g-net buddies that will gladly step up for me lol.... good runs though ... one of the runs i was not sure what roll we were doing really so he took off... and keep in mind i was on piece of shit street tires... he wasnt!!! im getting retuned and a race gas tune real soon... ill be at 20 psi on race gas so looking forward to 430-450 rwhp... nothing special but good enuf for me... for now....
11-28-2006, 08:03 PM
ChAmP_CoUpE

hey lightspeed good looking out!!!! ive been sick in bed all day didnt get to see the thread!!!!
11-28-2006, 08:17 PM
nextelbuddy

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Originally Posted by ChAmP_CoUpE

ok just to clear some things up ... lol i dont make 390 lol... when they tuned my car they did a super safe tune ... i could easily get better numbers with a more agressive tune... when i got tuned the car made 379 but than he said when he was messing with timing he started to hear a knock so he backed out.... i think he left it around 371.... well last week at dyno day at mainstream the car only made 347 but they said their dyno had been reading low all day! for example a buddy with an srt-4 usually hits 378 on that same dyno that day he made 357.... so if i go according to his numbers my car is around 368- 370 which is about right....Nextel buddy if u wanna play around we can ... im not gonna back down ... whats the worst that can happen i loose? if thats the case i got a couple g-net buddies that will gladly step up for me lol.... good runs though ... one of the runs i was not sure what roll we were doing really so he took off... and keep in mind i was on piece of shit street tires... he wasnt!!! im getting retuned and a race gas tune real soon... ill be at 20 psi on race gas so looking forward to 430-450 rwhp... nothing special but good enuf for me... for now....

lol good shit. im not calling you out. i am not that type of person.
11-28-2006, 08:18 PM
RJ's325ITS

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChAmP_CoUpE

ok just to clear some things up ... lol i dont make 390 lol... when they tuned my car they did a super safe tune ... i could easily get better numbers with a more agressive tune... when i got tuned the car made 379 but than he said when he was messing with timing he started to hear a knock so he backed out.... i think he left it around 371.... well last week at dyno day at mainstream the car only made 347 but they said their dyno had been reading low all day! for example a buddy with an srt-4 usually hits 378 on that same dyno that day he made 357.... so if i go according to his numbers my car is around 368- 370 which is about right....Nextel buddy if u wanna play around we can ... im not gonna back down ... whats the worst that can happen i loose? if thats the case i got a couple g-net buddies that will gladly step up for me lol.... good runs though ... one of the runs i was not sure what roll we were doing really so he took off... and keep in mind i was on piece of shit street tires... he wasnt!!! im getting retuned and a race gas tune real soon... ill be at 20 psi on race gas so looking forward to 430-450 rwhp... nothing special but good enuf for me... for now....

Ok from what you said everything makes sence, your car with 370+whp, 6spd tranny and been lighter. Yes it will feel this fast. But I have stupid question how "he" whoever tune your car heard a knock at WOT ? can you explain this.... When my friend and I tuned my car we take knock into consideration only on the idle maps and part throttle maps, all the maps for WOT are base on EGT's and A/F ratio.
11-28-2006, 11:04 PM
ChAmP_CoUpE

good question as doug at topspeeed we couldnt go past the stupid blue line which pissed us off.... but o well its gettin retuned soon... i just think he wanted to play it safe cause when we got there i told him i wanted to hit 400whp... but we didint even get there...
11-28-2006, 11:09 PM
ChAmP_CoUpE

i really wouldnt know since i wasnt the one who tuned it!!!.... shit i wish i could tune my car... hell its hard enuf finding people who like tunning aem ems! until than i gotta pay people to tune it for me....
11-28-2006, 11:14 PM
Hektik

ill tune it for u greg:ninja: ..... just let me hold the car for a weekend:devil:
11-28-2006, 11:19 PM
ChAmP_CoUpE

lol haha fuk that lol hahha
11-28-2006, 11:24 PM
RJ's325ITS

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Originally Posted by ChAmP_CoUpE

lol haha fuk that lol hahha

If you change that AEM for a bmw DME I'll tune it.:D
11-28-2006, 11:25 PM
BigPoppaHurtm

deunk post ftw

thanx for holdin it doiwn for the s2k's mang :goodjob:
11-28-2006, 11:27 PM
Hektik

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Originally Posted by ChAmP_CoUpE

lol haha fuk that lol hahha

lol it was worth a try
11-28-2006, 11:30 PM
o_bomb

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Originally Posted by Hektik

ill tune it for u greg:ninja: ..... just let me hold the car for a weekend:devil:

:lmfao:
11-28-2006, 11:38 PM
Fast Shadow

what kit are you running, pm me please if you don't want details in public. i still have my s2k and have thought about doing something with it.
11-28-2006, 11:39 PM
ChAmP_CoUpE

lol haha hektik is crazy lol.... lol na ill stick to AEM lol i dont think it will work too good lol ... np gotta rep for the rwd honda!! lol
11-28-2006, 11:40 PM
ChAmP_CoUpE

no prob ill gladly post it .... its an inline pro kit with a 3mm head gasket...
11-28-2006, 11:46 PM
o_bomb

:boxing: God damn can u break 400whp with that kit?
11-28-2006, 11:49 PM
ChAmP_CoUpE

i can break 530 with this kit buts its pushing it...
11-29-2006, 12:29 AM
Shawn

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Originally Posted by RJ's325ITS

But I have stupid question how "he" whoever tune your car heard a knock at WOT ? can you explain this....

Thats what a knock sensor is for :)
11-29-2006, 01:41 AM
RJ's325ITS

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Originally Posted by Shawn

Thats what a knock sensor is for :)

I dont know how far technology has gone, but last time I checked knock sensors will not pick-up any knock b/c at WOT the sensors can't tell what is what. So the DME will not take those readings as accurate :goodjob:

Please correct me if i'm wrong
11-29-2006, 06:03 AM
Fast Shadow

Uhh.. technology is changed then. Plenty of cars have knock sensors that work at part throttle or at WOT. They're just microphones that are tuned to listen for sounds at a certain frequency. How they react to those noises is tunable on some cars.
11-29-2006, 11:45 AM
RJ's325ITS

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Originally Posted by Fast Shadow

Uhh.. technology is changed then. Plenty of cars have knock sensors that work at part throttle or at WOT. They're just microphones that are tuned to listen for sounds at a certain frequency. How they react to those noises is tunable on some cars.

wow... I have spoke with most of the euro turners out there within the U.S, dutchland & sweden soil, and all of them agree with me. They do not tune the WOT maps for the simple reason that the engine is so loud that even the factory tune do not take the knock sensors as a valid reading to adjust fuel or timing. But once again we have 3 levels to adjust: Idle, Part Throttle & WOT. In which each of theses have ignition timing and fuel timing, but the ignition timing is fuck up b/c we have to tune it for the Vanos which it will mechanicaly retard or advance the cam timing at Idol. PT & WOT, just like Vtech.

Do you have more info on this type of knock sensors, I will love to do some R&D and maybe make them work for BMW's.
11-29-2006, 07:12 PM
d993s

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Originally Posted by nextelbuddy

lol

i dont know dyno numbers on my car. whatever 25-27 psi on a T67 HO makes on a 3.1 liter

Well then.........

Even if you don't do callouts, you should have no problem running me next weekend (not this coming weekend but the one after).
3.1 24v with T67 HO @ 25-27psi and 3200lbs
vs
2.5 8v with smaller turbo @ 20psi and 3000lbs

Deutsch car vs deutsch car.

What do you say?

I will most likely be running Rafa and b0ki as well.

:D
11-29-2006, 07:21 PM
ct9a gsr

I can log knock voltage no matter what other variables are, including throttle position. From what I understand, most other cars can do this as well.
11-29-2006, 08:03 PM
b0ki

Quote:

Originally Posted by d993s

Well then.........

Even if you don't do callouts, you should have no problem running me next weekend (not this coming weekend but the one after).
3.1 24v with T67 HO @ 25-27psi and 3200lbs
vs
2.5 8v with smaller turbo @ 20psi and 3000lbs

Deutsch car vs deutsch car.

What do you say?

I will most likely be running Rafa and b0ki as well.

:D

David I dont think u have a chance against him if he runs on 25- 27 psi- = around 700 RWHP
11-29-2006, 08:27 PM
d993s

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Originally Posted by b0ki

David I dont think u have a chance against him if he runs on 25- 27 psi- = around 700 RWHP

Well, IF may be the problem.

Does he/can he/will he run that much boost?

I'll still run, I don't give a fuck (If I lose, no big deal cause I just wanna run some other unpredictable German cars)

Oh yeah, and I can run more than 20psi. :D
11-29-2006, 08:29 PM
b0ki

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Originally Posted by d993s

Well, IF may be the problem.

Does he/can he/will he run that much boost?

I'll still run, I don't give a fuck (If I lose, no big deal cause I just wanna run some other unpredictable German cars)

Oh yeah, and I can run more than 20psi. :D

Well... all i need is 11 psi to spank u ! lol hahaaa
11-29-2006, 10:48 PM
RJ's325ITS

Quote:

Originally Posted by ct9a gsr

I can log knock voltage no matter what other variables are, including throttle position. From what I understand, most other cars can do this as well.

Well off course Charles the sensor will work at all times therefore you will get a voltage at all times. If we wanted use the voltage as data we could, but how accurate are the readings "voltage" you will get of any engine at 6000rpm..... I think that is why BMW engeniers do not take those readings as a legit tool to help the DME adjust fuel or ignition timing.....
11-30-2006, 12:38 AM
Fast Shadow

I believe most knock sensors are essentially piezo microphones. They're designed to produce voltage in response to certain frequencies. The ECU has a table that determines what the response is to the amount of voltage at a given RPM. By doing this the engineers that set up the car's engine management can configure less or more timing to be pulled depending on how much voltage the mics produce at what RPM. They know where false knock is more likely to be detected. I know this is how it works on several Japanese and American cars, no idea about German cars. I assume most German cars use Bosch Motronic engine management.

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