Originally Posted by Big Rick
Of course there will..... Freeway and roll races belong to the Supra, and 1/8's and 1/4's go to the Stang.... thats all it really boils down to....
Of course there will..... Freeway and roll races belong to the Supra, and 1/8's and 1/4's go to the Stang.... thats all it really boils down to....
nobody posted about how badass of a video that was....... hrmmmm!!!!!
I agree with most you said EXCEPT the last part. I'd be pretty confident in saying that 5.0 mustangs are the CHEAPEST to get to 500hp. Buy you a fox body for $1500 (they can be had cheaper) put about $5000-6000 dollars in it, and you'll be at 500rwhp. Now yes, if you want to spend some big money, you can do that on a mustang too, but there is always the cheap rout.
fisrt of all what supra???
and what mustang?
an mkIII vs an 03 cobra? then its mustang.. duh
mkiv... vs 79 cobra..
mkiv.
btu those are apples and oranges... 20k $ 500 rwhp mustang
or 60k$ 700 rwhp supra
just no camparison.
Actually, some KB/Whipple cobras have been known to hit 200mph. Are you down for some 0-150 runs this weekend?
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This thread is so screwy.
Both cars have their pros and cons.
I work on supras and have built some nice high powered ones.Are they sick yes.Am i scared of one NO..A lot of the supra guys(chirs kinard,ivy and the others) know im not scared to push mine,i built it to be beat on..
Parts for a supra are out of this world.Break one and its gonna cost you $$$$.
Mustangs are cheap parts are cheap.Breaking it isnt gonna break the bank.
It all boils down to who has the most money to mod their cars with.
Im sure i can always add race fuel and see what mine will do then
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id still have to pull towards the mustang...cause there's no replacement for displacement...nothing can mauk the sound of a domestic v8
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Mmmk, this is just back and forth! The supra is the car I wanted for sometime now, so I finaly bought one! I have drove all kinds of stangs, camaros, EVO's, WRX's, and so on.... But I love the way a supra feels, and looks! I have done a few things to my car, and its not a dyno queen, I would rather race from a dig than a roll! I am the one that is suppose to race Barry in his ttstang! I know a lot about his car, and yes it is a well built car! Yes he is pushing a lil more than 400hp's,! He will out run me as of right now but it would be close, and I have told him that!
This topic will go back and forth, and you will never here the end of it! Both cars are fast cars, and just like it was said before, they both have there pro's and con's, just like any car! I am a car guy, and I like all cars, but its the owners that you have to watch out for! There are some supra owners that are dicks, and the same goes for any other car owner!
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03/04 cobra > supra
Just what I said...Never ending!
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You can do the same with a 240....oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh!
JP
thats only a FACT, doesn't mean shit. that doesn't decide which is the faster car.
You can do the same with a 240....oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh!
JP
Fershizzle!!!
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Nope,i would race him...mines setup for the highway now..and from a stop as well.
you say that until you get locked up and your liscense taken away. Beyooootchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
What's your setup/numbers/specs, Windsor, if you don't mind me asking....
It does mean shit. If you turbo a bigger displacement engine it will always make more power then a smaller one. Thats why the supras can't compete at the Orlando Street Nationals. They need nitrous on top of boost to compete with the other cars with only 1 power adder.
Been there..... DONE DAT!!! And i STILL AINT SKURRRD!!!! Beeeeeeyyooooottttcchhhhh!!!!!
Exactly its the owners that make the car.
The main fact is we build our cars because WE like them..Wether its a 240 ,evo,lancer,stang etc.
Not to bash anyone but displacement is not the KEY to a fast car..Cubic inch vs cubic inch some motors just make more power with less cubes..This is why in the NMRA(national mustang racers assoc) the mod motors are starting to take over.They make more power with less cubes..period.
I guess im like a lot of ricers,i like playing the underdog ..No one ever thinks a gt is fast
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Who are u calling RICERS??? Just because we own imports, that makes us ricers? Its funny that my 4cyl can pretty much can OWN almost every V8 on the road.
Easy..Form of speach..Just like redneck = mustangs, did you see anyone else getting bent out of shape. .I turn wrenches on imports everyday so dont freak out here.
Redlight to redlight,im sure yours is fast esp depending on your mods .Awd cars have a advantage from the dig.So im sure v8s will have a problem in that area,then there is body weight etc....
But then again the day i get out run by a street legal(also emission legal) ,full interior(nothing stripped),pump gas running 4cyl.Ill trade mine in.
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LOL with the #s in your sig I don't think you have to worry about our 4cyl riceboxes on the highway. That's impressive, man.
Wanna race from a light? Fastest 0-60 wins!!
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funny thread.
One thing that hasnt really been brought up is the fact that larger motors can make more power on lower octane pump gas, as opposed to a lot of imports which must use 110+ octane race gas in order to accomplish more power.
I'd take the stang over the supra because I just plain and simply think Supras are boring. Everybody and their brother has a stupid fast one. It was cool seeing my first couple single turbo Supras at shows and whatnot but then they all just look the same.
How fun is a car really when it doesnt even start to pull until 60+ mph? I like a very responsive car that pulls really hard up to 140 or so but I see no practical reason to go any faster than that, especially on the streets.
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Im sorry dude, but you just said everbody and there brother has a stupid fast one!!
I dont like speed either, which my car right now probably tops out at like 145-150mph, and I would much rather race from a dig....Hun, pretty strange coming from a supra owner isnt it?
I have a couple friends right now with some beast(Cobras) they are both using the KB's, and one is pushing close to 600hp, which he is fixing to go with the twin turbo setup! The other is a 04 cobra that the motor was sent off, built and blue printed, and strickly runs c16 and pushing around 700-750hp! I like mustangs, and wouldnt mind building a bad one, but I wanted to build a supra instead!
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"everybody and their brother has a stupid fast one"???
"they all just look the same"???? and mustangs don't?
This is an entertaining thread. A ton of arm chair quarterbacking and internet racing. Why don't yall go settle it once and for all? Then again, I'm sure the loosing side will come up with a million excuses why they lost and it will truly never end.
Although I'd like to see some of the bigger smack talkers put in their place personally.
world war 3, lolThis is an entertaining thread. A ton of arm chair quarterbacking and internet racing. Why don't yall go settle it once and for all? Then again, I'm sure the loosing side will come up with a million excuses why they lost and it will truly never end.
Although I'd like to see some of the bigger smack talkers put in their place personally.
really tho, there can never be a winner, there will always be someone faster, like i said there was no point to this thread.
Thats what I thought!!!!
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i respect em all...but in the end...im my opinion there is no replacement for displacement...i mean i know guys with heavy ass old school chevy's and fords with big block all motor's turning in the 10s and lower with a power adder...i have never seen a 4cyl or 6cyl import turn those times without serious work...and a huge power adder such as turbo or nos...or something so in the end motor to motor wise with no power adder there is no competition...and alot of the import guys i talk to that are building crazy power and turning crazy times...they say they have to do a basic rebuild every season...i mean logically that small of diplacement cant hold the high horsepower and torque as long as a bb or sb domestic can.
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and on more ??? can any of yall show me a all motor import 4cyl or 6cyl that without a power adder is in the 600hp range...i mean the 427 small block(400 chevy with some longer rods) that im putting in my camaro made 645 at the flywheel and 680tq. and thats all motor no power adder no nos just motor...then again it is 12.5 to 1 comp. and pushin 2 4bbl...
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I hear ya bro, but u have to understand 1 thing, example 1, a car like the supra, 2jz, was built for a turbo, not high compression. Therefore the reason u can't compare all motor, b/c it was never ment to be ALL motor. take this for example, from the factory the 2jz can withstand and has be proven to hold up to 900whp on a completely STOCK bottom end. this is a factory bottom end.
Now lets talk about all motor. "honda 2000" lol 240hp, rated at the most hp per cyl. from the factory.
the japs have no reason to built all motor gas draining cars. they wouldn't sell in japan and other parts of the world. here in the US we can pretty much afford it.
in the end, cars are great and if it wasn't for all these different makes and models we all wouldn't be having this great thread. lol
That last line is a good one!! Mad props to you!!!!!
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when this beast gona be ready to race?
im goign this weekend to jackson sc.
It seems to that this thread is moving in the direction of Import vs. Domestic cars. I don't care what your motor can do without a turbo or blower. And anyone who says that don't give AWD any respect.....that's just stupid.
i agree big rick...i was just making a point from a guy i talked to today...but i agree supra's are fast and i would love to have one...but one im a import guy and second i would be broke if i bought one of them
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True, but I've been beating on my stock motor 2JZGTE for 3 years now. Haven't had to rebuild it yet. It has trapped 140mph so far on 275 drag radials with crappy 1/8mile traps. I probably can get a little more out of it. I know you can build anything to go fast and mustangs are an excellent platform. I've just been impressed how much this motor can take from the factory w/ stock internals.
Hey your motor can handle more power than what you are setup right now. Dan had 1200whp on his stock internals.
Buddha, I understand your point to an extent, but it's a comparo of apples to corn flakes.
That's like telling you to take out 2 of the cyls. out of a run-of-the-mill SB making 300 HP. Stock for stock, it's no more powerful than a run-of-the-mill import V6 or I6. As a matter of fact, compared to today's high output V6 of 260hp and more, it would actually fall short. And more importantly, that would actually be with the domestic actually having LARGER displacement and the import having a SMALLER displacement, yet still having more HP.
See, if you take the typical 5.0 liter domestic V8, divide those 5 liters by 8 (# of cyls), that equals to .625/cyl. Multiply that .625 by 6 (to equal to what it would be if you sheered off 2 cyls) and you get 3.75L of displacement. Now, take that 300HP and divide it by 8 cyls, and you get 37.5 HP/liter. So, using that same assumption, you multiply 37.5 by 6 for your new make belief 6 cyl domestic and you get 225HP.
Now, using the same logic, you take a typical V6 like the one in the 350z. 3.5L putting out a reported 275HP stock. Do the same math as above, but backwards to figure out what if a 3.5L V6 morphed into an 4.6L V8 (it's mathematical big brother). It comes out to an import 4.6L V8 putting out somewhere around 366 HP stock.
Now, I know this is all fairy tale math and just for giggles, but the physics are still there. It's not fair to compare a bigger displacement motor to a smaller displacement motor on raw HP #'s alone. You should take other factors into consideration.
Even with all that said, the domestic V8 is still going to be the king of the hill when it comes to sheer numbers. Why? Simple. You can get one for dirt cheap, you can mod it for dirt cheap from bizillion page catalogs, and dollar for dollar you can make one go faster easier. So, that means that the actual decision of which is better for you is going to simply boil down to personal preference. Personally, I like all cars so props to everyone for modding ANY car IMO.
No it can't. I think what you meant to say was the stock pistons can take 1200whp. The stock rods will fail @ 850rwhp. I'm sure you could make around 1000whp on a dyno, but it wouldn't hold together on the street/track. If I make it til next winter without blowing it up I'll pull it and replace the rods and springs/retainers.
Oh my fault. Clark you dont remember me but, I met you at that import meet at the Varsity this month. I was with Mark. I can't wait to see your car with more power.
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