Me (516 RWHP '03 Cobra) Vs. Crafty's Camaro claiming 370 RWHP

[03CobraAV8R]

http://www.03svtcobra.net/Videos/Por...raVsCamaro.wmv

Was out Sat. night with my friend Jeff with his KB Cobra (Hydroshutter) and a C6 Z06 and ran into a pretty mean sounding Camaro claiming it was a 346 c.i. and 370 RWHP with a 4,000lb race weight.

Anyways, I ran him in my car (516 RWHP) and he got me by about 1 car. Jeff, Brad and I all called BS on him only having 370 to the ground, but he kept insisting it was just that. I weighed in on the same scale at Silver Dollar Dragway at 3735lbs with me in it and 1/2 tank of gas.

The Camaro would need about 550 RWHP to run like he did against me if he does weigh 4,000lbs.

I ran the '02 Z06 (catback only) after I ran the Camaro, just to illustrate how much I pull a 370 RWHP car that weighs less than the Camaro, I had ~4-5 cars on the Z06 by ~120 MPH.

The C6 Z06 pulled ~1.5 cars on the Camaro from 40-120.

The races, I was shifting slow, don't want to destroy my 44k mile stock clutch (run whatchee brung though!) haha.

The C6 Z06 did not run the Trans Am in the last race, that was the C5 Z06. I made a mistake with the video editing and don't feel like going back to change it.

[Speedm0(\)key]

you put up before they did, + 1


NO NOS!!! .. :jerkit:


edit. my STi runs mid 12's trapping a over 110.
i have 301awhp and 317wtq. ive had a few encounters with modded camaros. beat some. lost some. to say that maro had 370rwhp is retarded. for i know what your cobra can do

[Lankhoss]

Just to let you guys know, I have the C6 Z06. I had not planned on running the Camaro when it happened, we were supposed to go on the way back. So I was stuttering when we were slowing down to line up. I'd slow down, then thought we were pulling off, speed up, then thought I'd run, slow down......heh

Anyway, that's why I was half a car ahead at the beginning of the race. Other than that, everything seemed pretty legit.

Also, in the video.......it's the C5 Z06 running the Trans Am at the end, not me. I ONLY ran against the white Camaro that night.

[03CobraAV8R]

Crafty, are you ready to tell us how much nitrous you were spraying in those races?

[Luv2spd]

you put up before they did, + 1


NO NOS!!! .. :jerkit:


edit. my STi runs mid 12's trapping a over 110.
i have 301awhp and 317wtq. ive had a few encounters with modded camaros. beat some. lost some. to say that maro had 370rwhp is retarded. for i know what your cobra can do

We were waiting on the cobra guys to post their videos. Figured it'd be better quality. The camera wasn't on for night and it came out pretty black. And they did. But if it is a big deal to some, here is the link for craft against the cobra that we took.

http://media.putfile.com/Crafty-vs-Ported-Blower-Cobra

And there is no way craft's car put down 550.

[03CobraAV8R]

And there is no way craft's car put down 550.

Well that depends on how much he says it weighed in at, I'm pretty sure I heard him say 4,000lbs at some point prior to the race.

Seems too heavy; Crafty, correct me if I'm wrong.

Point is, he was making quite a bit more than 370 RWHP in those races.

*EDIT* found a post by Crafty

Oh here's some shit.. That was the first time i've ever weighed the Camaro.. And with me out side the car and a half tank of gas, no spare tire/ no backseats it weighed in a whopping 3820.. So with me in it thats a good 4,040 pounds.. ... needless to say it's time for Me and the Camaro to see Jenny Craig.. Anyone have a plasma cutter?

here's the time slip for Accordm3 and I..

Accordm3........................... bcrafty

r/t= .296**************** .112
60'= 2.142************** 2.094
330=6.995 ***************5.475
1/8=10.439************** 8.159
mph=74.50*************** 90.52
1000=13.157************* 10.475
1/4=15.410************** 12.398
mph=100.20************** 119.21

[Vteckidd]

370whp in a 4000lb car just doesnt sound right if he ran LOW 12s. He was also trapping way to high IMO for a car that heavy. thats a PIG of a fucking car. thats like a Accord with 5 people in it.

Nitrous is my bet

[03CobraAV8R]

Yeah, did you see how badly I pulled the '02 Z06 with ~360 RWHP, and he weighs ~3300lbs with a driver. He didn't have a passenger either, heh; AND he went on the 2nd honk for the jump.

[Luv2spd]

I don't know how much exactly his car is making, but I know it is NOT 550. Why is it such a big deal? You got beat. Either race him again or just forget about it. I don't understand why y'all are being such dicks. You were okay on Saturday. Your friend wasn't any better in person than he is on the internet, but I don't remember you being dick. What changed? Now you are calling people rednecks? If he is a redneck, what does that make you???

Just bring your cars out again and we can all run. Maybe we can get a few other people out, too.

[Luv2spd]

Yeah, did you see how badly I pulled the '02 Z06 with ~360 RWHP, and he weighs ~3300lbs with a driver. He didn't have a passenger either, heh; AND he went on the 2nd honk for the jump.

Go back and watch the video I posted. He didn't go until the third honk. Unless you mean the Z06, I didn't watch that far.

[03CobraAV8R]

Go back and watch the video I posted. He didn't go until the third honk. Unless you mean the Z06, I didn't watch that far.

Was talking about the Z06, Crafty's was fine.

I just like to get the facts straight and can't stand people that BS their #'s. It only makes sense that he has to be over 500 RWHP if his race weight is 4000lbs.

I don't care if I win or lose, it isn't about that for me; I just do it for fun. But I don't like it when people BS their #'s, it's fun calling them out on their BS.

[Vteckidd]

Well what the guys point is is that they raced, and he lost. The WINNER/Crafty claimed that he had 370wp and a 4000lb car yet he beat a 500+whp Cobra. Now to car enthusiasts that know what they are talking about, that seems unlikely. Especially wen he says he runs low 12s with only 370whp and a 119mph trap speed. hed have to be one hell of a driver with a 2.0 60ft to pull that kind of time, or , he sprays.

Maybe you didnt pick up on all that, read up on it, you might learn a thing or two.

I Mean, if Crafty was just lying about his setup thats fine, this guy was just trying to find out what was going on, i dont see any harm being done.

we arent being dicks honey, grow a thicker skin

[ct9a gsr]

Who's transam is that?

We should set a date for everyone to come back on Barrett next month and set up a bunch of friendly runs... throw some 4 cylinder cars into the mix and make it a lil interesting. ^.^

[Luv2spd]

I don't really care. That is between you and craft. I was just trying to figure out if it just pissed you off that you got beat or that you were always an ass and just putting on a show Saturday.

I'm just telling you a fact that I know - it does not make 550. I do not know exact numbers or how much it weighs. Just that it isn't putting out that much power.

[Vteckidd]

The numbers done sound right to me on his car, but neither did SMOKENUs 9 second car either LOL

ive been wrong before, and its late, so what do i know

[03CobraAV8R]

That 119 trap is too fast for a 4,000lb car with 370RWHP, but slow for a 500+ RWHP 4,000lb car.

I ran a 118 MPH trap with 450 RWHP with my 3735lb race weight before I did the ported blower. I ran 92 MPH in the 1/8th on that run as well.

I'm 99% sure that Crafty was spraying a good bit of nitrous in our race.

Not complaining that I lost, it's run what you brung; but I would like him to be up front about his mods.

[03CobraAV8R]

I'm just telling you a fact that I know - it does not make 550. I do not know exact numbers or how much it weighs. Just that it isn't putting out that much power.

I'm not pissed off, I think I'm being pretty civil.

Didn't you see my quote from Crafty? His car weighed 3,820 without him in it. He says that with him in it, it would be 4,040.

Why won't you tell me how much power it makes?

[Vteckidd]

Dont worry, their whole crew is pretty shady on what they have and what they make. They talk alot of shit , some can back it up, some just throw a Online Temper Tantrum.

youll never know what he makes, but i know he does like to run the bottle.

[Luv2spd]

Well what the guys point is is that they raced, and he lost. The WINNER/Crafty claimed that he had 370wp and a 4000lb car yet he beat a 500+whp Cobra. Now to car enthusiasts that know what they are talking about, that seems unlikely. Especially wen he says he runs low 12s with only 370whp and a 119mph trap speed. hed have to be one hell of a driver with a 2.0 60ft to pull that kind of time, or , he sprays.

Maybe you didnt pick up on all that, read up on it, you might learn a thing or two.

I Mean, if Crafty was just lying about his setup thats fine, this guy was just trying to find out what was going on, i dont see any harm being done.

we arent being dicks honey, grow a thicker skin

Oh, there is that "quick wit" again. I know his point. I'm just stating a fact that I know. Maybe the Cobra isn't telling the truth about his hp #'s. The fact is that we don't know, but I know what craft doesn't have, and that is 550 hp. And I wasn't even talking to you. I also mentioned that it didn't bother me. I was just wanting to know if that is how he always is or if he just got upset. I know that you are always a dick. I don't have to ask you. That is another reason I wasn't talking to you. So, keep your comments to yourself if it bothers you that bad. Go back and read. Nothing was said to a vteckidd.

[Luv2spd]

I'm not pissed off, I think I'm being pretty civil.

Didn't you see my quote from Crafty? His car weighed 3,820 without him in it. He says that with him in it, it would be 4,040.

Why won't you tell me how much power it makes?

I was talking about in the other thread with you and your friend. And I don't know an exact number for his car.

[Vteckidd]

Oh, there is that "quick wit" again. I know his point. I'm just stating a fact that I know. Maybe the Cobra isn't telling the truth about his hp #'s. The fact is that we don't know, but I know what craft doesn't have, and that is 550 hp. And I wasn't even talking to you. I also mentioned that it didn't bother me. I was just wanting to know if that is how he always is or if he just got upset. I know that you are always a dick. I don't have to ask you. That is another reason I wasn't talking to you. So, keep your comments to yourself if it bothers you that bad. Go back and read. Nothing was said to a vteckidd.

AWWWWWWW :crybaby"

can we be freinds now LOL

I didnt know i had to have your permission to respond to a PUBLIC POST on a PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD.

hmmmmmmmmm, somewhere the village is looking for its idiot

[ct9a gsr]

Who's transam is that?

We should set a date for everyone to come back on Barrett next month and set up a bunch of friendly runs... throw some 4 cylinder cars into the mix and make it a lil interesting. ^.^

*ahem*

[Vteckidd]

*ahem*

Isecond that, but remember our cars are slow.

[Luv2spd]

AWWWWWWW :crybaby"

can we be freinds now LOL

I didnt know i had to have your permission to respond to a PUBLIC POST on a PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD.

hmmmmmmmmm, somewhere the village is looking for its idiot

I never said you had to have my permission. Just telling you that I wasn't talking to you. Always resorting to name calling. There is the smartass I've come to know.

[Luv2spd]

*ahem*

The T/A is just a friend's. He may be out again this next weekend. I'm sure we will all meet up at some point this summer.

[03CobraAV8R]

Ah like 'em french fried pa'taterz, mmhmmm. How much ye wont fer 'em? Reckon I'll have me summa' tha' big 'n's.

[ct9a gsr]

Isecond that, but remember our cars are slow.

Well, I think its fair... since we have half the cylinders and almost 1/3rd the displacement it might seem like we're at a disadvantage... but once you slap on an iceman intake, some obx mufflers, and a t3/t4... you get some serious stuff, ya know?

So0oo0o0o0ooo, next month, we can set a date for all of us to have some fun... how 'bout it? We can keep the location in PM's to keep it less crowded... NO HOSTILITY, just run what you brung and have some fun comparing your setup to other people's... hmm?

[Vteckidd]

I never said you had to have my permission. Just telling you that I wasn't talking to you. Always resorting to name calling. There is the smartass I've come to know.

Did you expect anything less?
all i have to do is call you guys rednecks and we have a full fledged Drama Thread again ! sweet!

But alas, i Tivo'd The Shield and im gonna go watch it now. You peeps play nice.

[Vteckidd]

Count me in on the Barrett Meet. Ill have a little something for the Turbo and Domestic cars

[Speedm0(\)key]

Count me in on the Barrett Meet. Ill have a little something for the Turbo and Domestic cars

count me in as well. for the first time ill be the absolute slowest person out there. i'll bring my cam

[crafty]

ok first of all i don't know how to prove that i wasn't spraying, beside there not being a nitrous line anywhere in my car. I offered to pop my hood, you declined.. oh look at the video, do you see any smoke coming out of my car? Trust me, my car smokes like shit when i spray it.. Next time we race you can go through out my car.. I don't know what else to say..

ok i just watched the videos.. And there is nothing coming out my exhaust.. Ask del and kyle, when i spray it's like a dust storm...

Also that blue bolt-on T/a in the video, his clutch was slipping really bad, Stock clutchs with 50,000 miles are a bitch...

[crafty]

[quote03cobraAV8r]Well that depends on how much he says it weighed in at, I'm pretty sure I heard him say 4,000lbs at some point prior to the race.

Seems too heavy; Crafty, correct me if I'm wrong.

Point is, he was making quite a bit more than 370 RWHP in those races.

*EDIT* found a post by Crafty [quote]


Quote:
Originally Posted by crafty
Oh here's some shit.. That was the first time i've ever weighed the Camaro.. And with me out side the car and a half tank of gas, no spare tire/ no backseats it weighed in a whopping 3820.. So with me in it thats a good 4,040 pounds.. ... needless to say it's time for Me and the Camaro to see Jenny Craig.. Anyone have a plasma cutter?

here's the time slip for Accordm3 and I..

Accordm3........................... bcrafty

r/t= .296**************** .112
60'= 2.142************** 2.094
330=6.995 ***************5.475
1/8=10.439************** 8.159
mph=74.50*************** 90.52
1000=13.157************* 10.475
1/4=15.410************** 12.398
mph=100.20************** 119.21


I'm glad you found that time sheet. Because when i spray, my 1/8 mile times are at 7.5/7.6 @ 98/99mph not 8.1@ 90.52.. with a 2.0 60ft. that 7.6 was on my old setup.. I added a bigger cam, stall converter, and other little things. Even more proof that i wasn't spraying...

[crafty]

I just wanted to say that all this fighting is stupid and pointless.. We all had fun out racing eachother.. Got some good video.. And for the record, Matt isn't a redneck, I've never met a "redneck" that pulls 150k a year at 22 years old... (sorry to post that Matt) Rick & Jeff, you are both nice guys, Words got twisted atlittle that night, but it's over now.. I had fun out with everyone.. Can't wait to do it again..


Oh Kyle i went to sleep last night before i responded to your post/ pics.. Anyways are those alan's old wheels and tires? It looks damn good.. I can't wait to see you in the 11's now...

[5.7camal]

hmmmm
idk y yall r so shady and secretive about ure #s/ setups
seriously its not like yall have something that noone else has.

fuck that
whatever

ill leave it at that....

nice Cobra man

he said originally that he had a 75 shot and forged pistons...
hahaha

[5.7camal]

also is this RICK as in liz's brother?

later
Sean

[fight club]

im confused, on one post crafty says he doesnt have a nitrous line at all in his car, and then in the next he says WHEN he sprays it smokes.... isnt completely uninstalling the line a little bit of a hassle.... or does he have 2 cars identical but one with nitrous... and on the redneck comment, oh wow he makes 150000 a year, he can still be the most backwoods motherfucker in the world, income has nothing to do with it. im NOT name calling as ive enver met yall but just saying. just because u work at mcdonalds doesnt make u white trash just as making that much money doesnt make u an aristocrat.

[TRUBLUEGT03]

This is a funny thread. I just about feel off in the floor when i read the post about his g/f making him take the bottle out.....well i know who wears the pants in that realationship!

[HalfBaked]

Well, I think its fair... since we have half the cylinders and almost 1/3rd the displacement it might seem like we're at a disadvantage... but once you slap on an iceman intake, some obx mufflers, and a t3/t4... you get some serious stuff, ya know?

So0oo0o0o0ooo, next month, we can set a date for all of us to have some fun... how 'bout it? We can keep the location in PM's to keep it less crowded... NO HOSTILITY, just run what you brung and have some fun comparing your setup to other people's... hmm?

I wanna come watch! That cobra in that video spanked me a while back before I blew up.

[BadAzz96z28]

Just thought I would chime in here.....the NBM Ta running the cobra and c-5 zo6 is mine....I need a clutch as you can look at the video running the cobra and watch him pull me durring my shifts thanks to my crappy clutch.....Anyway I had a great time and I look foward to dragging the cobra once I get my clutch changed!

[Speedm0(\)key]

im confused, on one post crafty says he doesnt have a nitrous line at all in his car, and then in the next he says WHEN he sprays it smokes.... isnt completely uninstalling the line a little bit of a hassle.... or does he have 2 cars identical but one with nitrous... and on the redneck comment, oh wow he makes 150000 a year, he can still be the most backwoods motherfucker in the world, income has nothing to do with it. im NOT name calling as ive enver met yall but just saying. just because u work at mcdonalds doesnt make u white trash just as making that much money doesnt make u an aristocrat.

they are hicks. end of story. if it quacks.. it must be a fucking duck