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Originally Posted by KIZDAWAY
Done PM me a time and place.I also will be on pump :). Let me know I have some pretty good DR's I can pick up at anytime.
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Originally Posted by KIZDAWAY
Done PM me a time and place.I also will be on pump :). Let me know I have some pretty good DR's I can pick up at anytime.
PM me the time and place too, if I can get the gas money up, I will come and get it done also. It will be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kason23
ill run. me vs op. ill run 22lbs. 40-120....good luck.
I think its interesting when people bring up "it's his power to weight ratio that will help him out" as if its the only thing he's got going for him... Ever car has a "power to weight ratio" why can't you just say its the amount of power he makes lol? In a basic sense power to weight is what determines acceleration.
Because I know even with his 125 shot I will still have more power than him with me on pump gas. The light weight is the only thing that will help him and that's the truth of it. If I was to put my engine in a car that weighs what his does it would be no contest. I'm not saying thats the only thing he has going for him, hell I would love to own that hatch myself, that is an awesome setup he has and I have been planing on doing something like it my self when I start back work. I already have a good k20z3 motor and tranny that I am going to drop into a hatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejohnson88
Blue is right. If that was a plain ole RSX or SI. It WOULD be slower correct?? and why is that? Because it WEIGHS more.
Power to weight is what has propelled Hondas into serious cars these days. I know it,you know it and so does everyone else.
Why else would people drop motors into hatchs?? Its not to take there family out for a fun night thats for damn sure. lol
The truth don't get any better than that.:goodjob:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kason23
Not 100% sure yet but I am doing some work for a friend today to get the gas to come out tonight and if I do you want to get to it tonight? You on Street tire's and 60shot v/s Me on street tire's and pump gas just like the first race? It will be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by KIZDAWAY
If you put your engine into a car as light as his, you really think you'd get him? I don't think so. It's more than just power to weight. It's how the power gets put down. Honda makes great naturally aspirated engines and great gearboxes that put power to the ground efficiently. If you put your motor into his chassis, your traction/spinning problems would get about 100x worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by oleblue
For sure, it would be spinning but when it hooks up it would be on. Maybe it would not be that bad because I would not be pulling as much weight either. Nothing some slicks or dr's would not help. I think it will be a good race as it is even with me being 900lbs more than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by chunky
I still don't think you are understanding what I am trying to say. I think it's kinda of arrogant of a person to patronize another person for how they make their car go fast...
"He's only fast because he is so light." Always seems to be the excuse when people get beat by hatches or any other form of light car with a small amount of power. I mean the argument can go the opposite way and I could say "Your only fast because you have to boost your motor to unnatural pressures." It's almost as if people have to belittle the other cars just so they can feel better about what they've got. Anyways I have enough of the condescending efforts of people on this forum.
But I guess thats what happens when you are in a hobby that is full of big headed people that always have to be better than others... And like Chunky said... its not just about being light, its about everything else involved to make the car fast overall. Anyways I am done with my rant. Back to racing.
Im not saying ANYTHING bad about his car. Its just normal Honda building to me. If thats how he wants to go fast more power to him. I would not mind having a built ls/vtec big turbo setup myself in a hatch.
IMO a good set of tires will about make anything hook. My car on just slicks (no motor mounts,traction bars or anything of the sort) can cut VERY low 1.6 60fts no problem. I have did it mulitple times. Maybe im a good driver I dont know.
Im just not down with him thinking hes at the top of the world and can beat all of us SRT's. I could prob trap 100+ in the 1/8, 126+ in the 1/4 IF I pushed my car. But its still stock motor so I would rather not go to the edge.
Like I said I can respect his car all day as long as he does not act like GOD of the Hatchbacks.
/rant
Ejohnson, why do you think people lighten their car? Lighter car = faster car
It's facts, it's not belittling the car. If you take that same motor and put it in a 3,200-3,500lbs car, guess what. It's slow as balls.
Lighter car also means less strain on the drivetrain and EASIER to put the power down. You need the proper suspension setup and tires for everything to work in harmony though, but lighter will always mean faster.
I'm not saying nothing bad about him or his car and i'm not trying to be better than anyone, i'm just saying TRUE facts. I'm not making any excuses either because I have not been beat by him or no hatch, I ALREADY BEAT HIM. You can say what you want but you know the truth as well as everyone else does.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejohnson88
LOL I love how you take my statement as if I don't think I know that a lighter car will equate to "faster"... I probably know the physics behind why that statement is true better than you do.
Here is the how my mind process works: A Lighter car is only one of the MANY factors that come into play when it comes to how fast a car can accelerate.
Here is how people on this forum seem to think: "It's ONLY faster because it's lighter." Almo
WHAT I AM SAYING HERE is that the power to weight argument always appears to come as an "EXCUSE" in places like this. The car is fast and most of you have stated "Because it's such a light car." It's almost like you discount that fact that ALL THE OTHER factors that make a car "fast" don't even matter. It's basically a defensive attack.
Kinda like when a civic beats a Corvette or porsche or mustang or any other car out there, alot of times this retort comes out: "It may be fast but its still a civic." They race, they get beat and so they have to downplay the other car because their butt hurt. When I race the point of the race is to see who is faster, if I lose I say "Nice car, its fast."
I have always been a car enthusiast and love cars and love the engineering behind it, I am just frustrated and tired of all the ego's that "Racer's" are constantly trying to protect by talking down other cars.
/rant lol
So who are you aimimg this at? All I have said is that he does not make the kind of power that I do, so the lighter weight is what will help him out against me. And the gearing a lot too. You are right though, the lighter weight is only one factor of making a car fast and I have not said it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejohnson88
Oh snap, got the Sentra back on the road once again?!Quote:
Originally Posted by HalfBaked
If you say so buddy. That's a long ass worthless post that is directed at "most people" as you put it. I never said anything about downplaying a car. Did I mention that's a long ass post.
Lol its directed at anyone who feels its directed at them. Its a long ass post because I am stuck in the library with a project group that's doing nothing and just felt like ranting. But apparently in my effort to explain myself you still fail to see the argument I am posing. All I am saying is that the way in which you are framing your statements is making them so they appear to be such as what I have said. Anyways, lol this is obviously not going anywhere.
Good Racing and Good Luck.
I am not going to argue about this shit no more either because some folks don't understand no one's point of view but there own. I'm going to let my car do the talking.
The point is, there's more to his car than power to weight. You can't identify one thing that makes his car fast. It's the whole build. To suggest that negating the weight disadvantage of an srt-4 would guarantee that the srt-4 would be faster is short sighted. What's the redline? Gearing? How stiff is the chassis? How is the throttle response?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurker
Anyhow, looking at the HP numbers that some of you srt-4 guys put down, power to weight is in you favor. :p
How do you figure that? A 2,100lbs hatch or lower with say 330whp or a little more with the 125shot, against a 380/400whp srt-4 that is 900lbs heavier. I don't see 50hp to 70hp covering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by chunky
Who said anything about a 125 shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by oleblue
sup yaw, shits going down soon. Bring some popcorn :boobies:
So whats up man you have a pill for a 100 shot for that thing or what? I want to see what that K can do against my Cobra on a 100 shot in that lil hatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by KIZDAWAY
I didnt forget you smacked. I want to make a special thread just for you :D. but dont you only do digs? either way running these guys wont take long. :goodjob:Quote:
Originally Posted by SmackedInATL
No I don't do digs only. I'll run you on some 275/45 BFG street tires. Well next weekend my car will be down getting tubular front suspension and coilovers, and I have a blown out lower control arm bushing so I'm fixing those too. Anyways, it can still do a roll race just fine though. Oh and I just got my tune completely fixed so it pulls very hard from a roll now, no more hesitation on the hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by KIZDAWAY
I cant wait for us to rip it up. Should look great being that both are white color. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SmackedInATL
I will just say this thread is funny going back and forth will all this power to weight talk. I know that I pulled a 4 door 93 civic with a k20 and a 75 shot ON a badly slipping clutch. It will definitely be much uglier than that now.
if you mean the red one you ran the night I rode with you, it was a coupe + k24 + 75 shot. And yeah, you did pull him although he put up a solid fight. Pretty sure that power to weight checked off in his favor on those pulls considering you had a 200+lb passenger riding along. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SmackedInATL
He's made some changes to his setup since then. I'd love to see you two get at it again next time he's in town.
I also would like to get some slow rolls in with you smacked. I think me and you would be a pretty good run. There needs to be another KF meet!
Kason I live in Douglasville and with you in Rockmart we could meet half way. There has to be somewhere to make some pulls in between Dallas and Rockmart. Just need to find a camera too.
Also I have no clue what my car is making right now with this new tune I downloaded last night. I need to put it on a dyno.
I was told he run's a 60 shot setup and a 125 shot setup. So it just depends on which he uses. I guess he should be right around 280/290whp if he uses the 60 shot if it is a wet kit. I think with me on pump and him on the 60 shot it would be a good run but if he uses the 125 shot with me on pump I don't think I could get him but who know's. I have seen those hatches with around 330whp run low 11's with slicks.Quote:
Originally Posted by chunky
We all should just try and meet and we all can get some runs in all in the same night, that way we can have a hell of a video to show of.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmackedInATL
Haven't read the thread, but I make between 480 - 500rwhp, and weigh just over 3100lbs.
One night I raced a Civic Hatch making about 360 - 370rwhp, and only weighed around 2000lbs.....couldn't pull him at all.
I also raced a GT 500 Mustang that was making just over 680rwhp, but also weighing right at 4000lbs, and was pretty much even with him until 120 - 130mph or so, where I started creeping away from him.
Power:Weight is probably the biggest factor that comes into play when going from a roll, but it's not the gospel. But you're typically going to need about 12rwhp ON AVERAGE to make up for every 100lbs of weight.
12? or 120 lank?
Yes power to weight can be a big factor... but its not a determining factor all the time. For example in your races... both cars have a better power to weight ratio than you... yet you pull on one and not the other. When you start going above 100 mph aerodynamics and gearing are going to become much more of limiting factors in a race.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by ejohnson88
You think 200 pounds would have to be matched with an extra 240 whp?
Yeah, that was the point of my post. I actually ran that GT 500 again, and he said all he'd done was take it back to the shop and had them retune it, and he pulled me by a car length consistantly....even though he had a passenger and slipping clutch. Maybe it just wasn't running at 100% for the longest time or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejohnson88
And yes, it's 12whp not 120....I think you may have been thinking what it'd take to overcome 1000lb disadvantage?