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ehh most of the C5s were 5.7l or something, im pretty sure the Base model wasnt 7.0lQuote:
Originally Posted by 2.3 Evo 8
Did he have a Z06 C6?
Ehh you guys just dont get it, you cant compare the car to what you are comparing to.
You cant put a price on timeless design and styling
haha you missed the context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lankhoss
Im saying bragging about beating and NSX with a car that makes DOUBLE the HP and TQ, is pointless.
Sure they are the same MSRP, im not saying an NSX is BETTER than a vette, id buy a vette any day, but the NSX has that supercar styling and appeal, thats who it caters too.
you see C5s and C6s everywhere, you dont see NSXs everywhere. They appeal to a different crowd.
You know how easy it is to beat a Ferrari? i beat a 360 in my 240whp Silvia, so what, its a FERRARI, i drove an S13.
The vette is just raw power, and i like the way it looks. but its nowhere near the styling the NSX has IMO of course
used NSX doesnt cost 80k..
more like >30,000
i wasnt too much a fan of the original nsx's. when they ditched the pop up headlights i guess gave it a little somethin else.... it looked ALOT better. the front end definitly made the difference.
the 2002 NSX was *$8x,000
the 2002 C5 z06 was $55,000 ish
the 2008 Z06 was $8x,000
Both the vettes were vastly bigger motors, hp, tq, tires, etc. They were MUCH faster no one is denying that.
What im simply saying is the NSX Hovered around the same price range for 12 years, and never changed. Its still using technology that was debuted in 1990. Now the same can be said about the vette with "pushrods" but dont tell me the newer vettes share ANYTHING in common with the older 90s vettes.
The NSX was a supercar , it lacked balls, but it wasnt about being brutally fast, i mean what honda is? It was meant to be a fun, BALANCED car. ANd thats exactly what it was. If you bought one thinking it was going to be crazy fast, you bought it for the wrong reasons
Look, C5s are under $12000 now, ZO6s are under $20,000, Base model C6s are under $28000 now.
you cant BUY a used NSX for less than $20,000 and thats gonna be a 91-95 model.
Wonder why they hold their value :cheers:
i dont think they were talkin used nsx... but even then i dont think any newer nsx used is gonna be 30k. maybe a 1991 or somethin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
You are WAY off in a lot of points you make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
For one, the ZR-1 from 1990 had a lot more awesome technology for the time, than the NSX did. And I believe the MSRP was between 60 - 70k.
New Z06s are not, and never were 80+k. Just because people got price gouged, doesn't mean that's what they cost The '07's and newer went up quite a bit in price, but even then the MSRP was 68k, and you could get roughly 9k in options. So after taxes and such it's POSSIBLE to get the Z06 around 80k brand new, but you can't say that's the price of the car...especially the MSRP.
Also, Z06s are not 20k now. The C5's still cost well over 20k. They were still in the mid - high 30's (some low 40's) until the C6 came out, then they dropped in price. The NSX holds its value better, because there were hardly any made. The Corvette is mass produced, and even the limited Z06 has far more made than most rare or exotic cars.
The NSX had amazing styling in 1990, I'm not arguing that. I personally never thought they were THAT amazing looking, but I did think they looked pretty cool. Nowadays, I think they are pretty bland. Even the Gen1 Vipers looked tons better than any NSX ever has. I think a C6 Z06 blows the NSX out of the water as far as styling goes. Just because you see them more often, doesn't mean their styling isn't incredible.
Personally, I just don't think the NSX is "all that," even in how it looks. Like I said before, it's a cool car....it really is. But it's styling isn't anything that really "does it" for me, and it's extremely expensive, and doesn't have very good performance.
u go to gwinnett tech?Quote:
Originally Posted by collins
ill yield to you on the pricing of the C6 as i never bought one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lankhoss
But ive seen C5 Z06s in low low 20s left an right. Some are still expensive, but the early z06 is relatively cheap.
Ive been looking at base model C6s, and they are just now breaking sub 30Ks. you are right some are still 30+, but some are trickling down in price
As far as the 90 ZR1, no idea, so i cant comment, well before my time. All i know is the NSX when it came out was like a ferrari for under $130,000 in terms of looks and interior.
Power wise its always lacked, but again, what honda doesnt. Its a track car, its made to drive in the mountains as gay as that sounds or some windy back road.
Im not arguing with you that the vette may be better in every aspect, i believe it is. I just think the NSX has a special market, and appealed to a different crowd than the vette has, along with other cars in its price range.
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Originally Posted by blake06gto
why would they be talking about a newer NSX?
chant's is an early 90's model.
Yeah, I see what you are saying now. And I agree, the NSX is definitely a more "special" car than a Corvette. I also agree that when it came out, it was more "exotic" than the Corvette. How awesome its styling is is in the eye of the beholder though, and I don't think most people think it's really all that awesome. It was certainly more appealing when it came out than it is today, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
My comments weren't so directly aimed at the NSX itself, but more this dipshit that owns one and his comment about "at the end of the day I drive home in an NSX" As if being stupid enough to blow all of that money on such an underwhelming car is something to brag about. Hell, having that kind of snooty attitude with ANY car you drive is full douchebaggery anyway, but to think the NSX is something everyone is jealous of is laughable.
They're awesome collector cars, but truely a waste of money if you are wanting to buy a car for performance. A Lotus Exige is a much better purchase (and looks better too, in my opinion).
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Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
well i just figured since they were talkin 80k... my bad.
i think we actually agree HAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by Lankhoss
In terms of a performance car it is low on the totem pole considering what is out there. Especially with its price.
All through the 90s you had cars that were MUCH better, the Supra, FD, some will argue the 300zx, the Viper,late 90s Camaro SS, late 90s Cobra etc. Early 2000 Chevy hit the nail on the head with the Vette. Most of those cars with the exception of the Viper were well below the NSXs msrp.
Hell IIRC the Aston Martin was not that much more expensive (DB7??)
Honda always knew the NSX was way underpowered. But they never did anything about it.
But i think you are right, the vettes/camaros were always targeted more towards "affordable" than the NSX ever was. Honda makes money selling commuter cars, they rarely offer anything of REAL performance compared to its american counterparts.
The s2000 is a great car but its underpowered, the Civic SI was not fast , GSR was not fast, Type-R was a "track car" but certainly not fast. They were SPORTY cars , but not fast. The nSX was their "flagship" exotic that if they sold 100 a year, awesome.
I will admit riding in one is cool, you definetly get the OOO and AHHH factor cause it just looks exotic. I still look at Vettes when i see one, but i see 20 a day, you see 1 NSX a month MAYBE.
i just think in terms of performance they are totally different cars, price they may be close.
Is the NSX overpriced, yeah, ill agree with that, id never buy one. Why pay 30K for a 10 year old car? id rather pay 30K for a C6 thats 3 years old and has way more power.
But yes the kid shouldnt act snooty, its a NSX, its a nice car, and its cool to own one, but its by no means a "fast" car
I think it's sad, in the automotive world, that by time a company comes out with something really cool, no one can buy it. Ford and Honda are two of the worst companies, in my opinion. Even the Supra was twice the value of the NSX.
Look at the Ford GT. In my opinion, one of the most awesome looking cars ever put on the road. Great performance....similar to a Z06 and Viper. But almost TWICE the cost of both!!! The Cobra R that came out in 2000 was a wicked car, but fell behind the C5 Z06 in every category....yet cost about 2k more MSRP. And the GT 500 Mustang. Pretty cool styling, big ass supercharged motor (much better engine than the Cobra), but terrible braking and handling and weighs a ton. Yet it's the same cost of a base C6 Coupe that beats it in every single performance category.
I think the NSX would have been more of a "legend" had it been around 40 in the early 90's, and around 60 now. That seems to be a reasonable price. It really was (is) a very stylish car, and has very good all round performance. But at 80k, it will never be respectable nor will you see people driving them. It really sucks.
if i had money for a car like that, i'd probably pick the NSX.. i've driven a couple and the entire time it made me happy.
i'd shell out 25k for a 91-95 model.
i find the car worth the price.
WHAT!!?? LMFAO, a C5Z being better than a 00' R :lmfao:... First off, the there was only 300 of them in 2000 at 54K a piece they are still worth that today, 9 years later. They also pull 1.01 g on the skid pad while the C5Z pulls .98 g. They brake from 60-0 in 109ft, same a a gallardo. Guess what you C6Z does it in... almost 120ft. And a Ford GT is a low production Supercar, msrp around 150K. Pretty decent price in my book for being in the top 10 fastest production cars. If they had produced 8000 of them in one year like they did your C6Z the price would have been greatly reduced. As for the GT 500, I don't care for them. 03-04 Cobras own them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lankhoss
Wow, are you serious?? I'd always heard the Cobra R was slower and didn't perform as well as the C5 Z. Even saw a video comparison once where the Z beat it around a road course.Quote:
Originally Posted by SicStang03
I haven't dug up the facts, but this is honestly the first time I've heard the Cobra R outperformed the C5 Z. And I thought the MSRP on a Cobra R was 57?
The Ford GT has about the same production numbers as the Viper, and the Viper is still under 100k. Hell, even the ACR is 50 grand cheaper than a Ford GT.
Not saying all the cars listed are crap cars.........quite the opposite, actually. I think it's sad that when a nice car comes out, it's just too damned expensive. Not worth the extra money.
Yes the Corvette is wicked fast and fun to drive but it's nothing but that and inexpensive. It's Cheap, classless, plasticy speed. I'd much rather pay more money for something more exotic and exclusive then a fiberglass rental car. You'd be crazy to pick a C5 Z06 over something as exclusive and rare as a Cobra R. The NSX, DB7, Carrera and what not have a sort of class and less mullet-like appeal that a Vette will never have and that's why people buy themQuote:
Originally Posted by Lankhoss
Uh, well...in the real world....where people have to use real money to buy these things, the Z06 matches (sometimes excels) the performance of all those cars you listed, at a MUCH cheaper price. That's why you see them everywhere, and not the other exotics.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnURleft
However,you don't always get what you pay for, and I believe the NSX falls into that category.
Yes and what it doesn't make up for in any form of quality and class it makes up in performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lankhoss
Also, having been in and all around the track in both cars, the NSX is the more rewarding car to drive on a road course. From it's very direct steering and lack of power steering, mid engine layout, lightweightness and high revving engine it actually has a sence of connection and soul that one won't find in a brutal and somewhat more disconnected vette. Something amazing, which people will pay for.
Just did a quick search, feel free to post a link to a site with better numbers or direct same day comparisons with a C5 Z....I'm actually interested in this now. I found a site that had the spec listed as 109ft 60 - 0, and 160ft 70 - 0. The C6 Z is listed as 104ft 60 - 0....but in several magazine tests the numbers were anywhere between 100 - 118 ft. Most being around 108 - 110. Skid pad for the Cobra R is listed as 1.02g. They are impressive numbers, but skid pad and braking numbers don't tell the whole story of how a car handles, nor how fast it is around a track. It still weighed 400lbs more than a C5 Z06, and had 15 less HP (same HP as the 2001 model). The MSRP is listed as 55.8k.Quote:
Originally Posted by SicStang03
Edit: Ok, found this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvdUhCvtlsE
Doesn't have a whole lot of info other than it beat the Cobra R by a second around the track (and the ACR by 2 seconds). The quarter mile speed for the Cobra R really surprised me, 116mph..same as the Z. I didn't post this video because the Corvette won, it's honestly the only one I've found so far lol
agreed..
i loved how the NSX could accelerate through turns while when i drove a z06 vette i would slide all over the place trying to power through or out of a turn.
Yup.....lighter car + less horsepower = easier to accelerate out of turns. Don't think it's gonna be that easy to stomp the gas in any 500hp car out of a turn, save possibly an AWD car.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
i love the corvette.. it's a great car.. just like the styling and the performance of the NSX more.
Yeah, to each their own. And with the NSX, I can honestly say that I completely understand someone liking it better than a Corvette. I like it better than a C4 or C5 Vette, but not a C6. My problem is it costing 80 grand. That was especially ridiculous in 1990. I don't want you to think I'm saying the NSX is a bad or unstylish car, I'm not. It's an awesome car. It's just not an 80k+ car is all....I wish it was more reasonably priced.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
no, it is not worth 80k.. but you can find almost all of them for 20-70k
80k is from a dealer.. which i wouldnt buy a used car from a dealer.. ever.
Talking about MSRP, not used car price.
MSRP doesnt really apply to a car [NSX] that's discontinued until the new model NSX is released.
Good God man. We're comparing the NSX's price for the time, for other vehicles of the time. The last year it was produced was 2005. My car was built and purchased in 2005, although it's actually a 2006 model year. Car prices go up each year........and even newer cars that cost much less than the NSX did back when it WAS produced, outperform it by quite a margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChuckNorris
It's over-priced, period. And if they are extremely affordable now as used cars, that means they don't hold retail worth a crap. So it's either over-priced, or has terrible resale.......pick your poison.
truth.
touche sir.
lol
I actually kinda like the direction this thread has gone. It's made me look up some information and learn a bit more about these cars :D
I would take alex's nsx over any vette anytime of the yr, the exotic feel and the class that comes with the car is far more than any vette could ever offer.also onlike the guy where talking about'' alex's is fast and exotic....
Who is this Alex feller, and why doesn't he bring the NSX out more often?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-...3A1|240%3A1318
Here you go this is my :2cents: .
NSX's are pieces of shit. Even at the track there getting past left and right. (i have seen them first hand get drilled by a stock m3 at Road A.) They are a poor mans Ferrari. They want to look cool for cheaper. Most of the NsX's used you can pick them up for around 25-30k. When you talk about comparing apples to apples there is no car like the NSX why b/c its grossly underpowered for the price tag paid. And the fact that you cant even start to get decent power with them until you slap on a jackson charger or some custom turbo setup and that will run you in the neighborhood of 10k.
And someone brought up the fact that the nsx really hasnt changed since the 90's and it was so much better then the vette. They need to do a little history check vettes have been around since the 60's and they have been basically using the same engine platform since then. NOW thats standing the test of time. :goodjob:
Yeah the NSX as sweet styling. But compared to what? You cant compare it to anything even as we have read from this thread comparing it to a vette isnt even in the same ballpark. There is nothing like it. I like the look of the nsx but for 30k i would rather buy a vette... Its 10 times better of a car. It handles better at a track or in the mountains, and it just out preforms it all around.
Why yes... Yes I do :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrBoostedCRX
Where the hell is all this talk of class and exotic coming from when talking about the NSX? Give me a break. It's a freaking Acura...extremely overpriced with poor performance and early 90's styling.
Let's take a look at a 2005, shall we?
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequ...g?webimage001l
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequ...g?webimage001l
Seriously, that's the amazing quality, exotic, classy interior?
Honestly, I'm more impressed with an '05 Corolla's interior.
http://www.autobytel.com/images/carc...infulldash.jpg
http://images2.auction123.com/sizequ...g?webimage001l
...and I'll be damned if that doesn't look like a stretched and sleeked down 90's two door Accord with a mid-engine.
As far as power goes...a freaking Nissan Maxima in 2005 was only 25hp short of the 2005 NSX and beat it on torque by 31ft/lbs.
I'll give it handling and exclusiveness of some sort simply for the low production numbers. However, I refuse to say it's an exotic or display of class in any way. If this was the early nineties I'd be a lot nicer about it, but an '05 NSX is like Honda's overpriced polished turd.
Holy shit, you just made yourself sound retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by stay_up
probably the best simple statement in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Lankhoss
Nice kill.
:lmfao: phil who u talkin bout?