Z06 vs. 2005 Viper 505hp

[SilviaK93]

Last night I get a phone call to come up to a meeting spot where there are some F-bodies. I happily headed on my way. Well once I get there I see our great "Buford cruiser" with his new black 05 Viper. As I am talking to some others he ask me what I drive. I tell him the black Z06 as I point to the car. He looks and then says, "I talked to a Z owner and he says the 05 Viper will blow away a Z once the Viper hits third gear." I said probably, and right when I say that he ask if I want to play with him on the road. Sure no problem for me, We jump on the interstate and send Pablo ahead to make sure all is clear. As we are cruising along we find a nice flat, straight, and free of traffic spot.

We are side by side @65mph. I hear him high revving and I put it in third ready to go. I give a jump and we take off at the same time. We are DEAD even whining out third, and at the top of third he starts to inch me. I rev it out all the way to 6500 and hit fourth. I gain back my lost ground and start inching away as I am revving out fourth. We were running up on Pablo so quick, and I didnt know what this idiot was going to do so I slammed the brakes to make room on the two lane road.

Z06 WINS by about 2-3 feet (Viper nose at my mirror)!!!!!!!!

We cruise back to the parking lot. While returning I notice there was a WS6 chase card, verified the whole thing. We get back to the parking lot and here he comes starting with the excuses. This has to be the best line I have ever heard from anyone I have raced....

"The car was not in performance mode, it takes about 5+ minutes of driving for it to get into performance mode!"


Nobody could believe this idiot just said this. It's a VIPER------when is the thing NOT in performance mod? What the hell is performance mod, is there like a button for this or something?

Oh well he got beat from 65-140mph He soon left after about 5-10 minutes of making excuses.

[Repost Squintz]

BWAHAHAHA performance mod! BWAHAHA oh btw nice kill

[SilviaK93]

BWAHAHAHA performance mod! BWAHAHA oh btw nice kill

had to edit, it is "MODE" not mod.......man i got alot of smilies in that post

[Marta Mike]

sweet kill!!

[Buford®]

Nice kill. I wasn't expecting that finallie.

[HiPSI]

lol, you raced that douche? i'm suprised his slow ass can even drive, let alone come up with excuses

[MSTANGSALEEN]

Nice, I knew a dude with a black z06,last name is scroggs,,,chris

[AznTraitor]

you think with a better driver it would take you?


I mean, numbers are numbers....."505" (500)hp vs 374hp?

and I think you might be confused, it's a 505 ci V10, that makes 500hp and 525rwhp and curb weight of 3,357 lbs

and yours at 374hp. 362rwhp at a curb weight of 3118 lbs.

I mean power to weight ratio...you are only talking a couple of hundred lbs.

I am curious if his car was even broken in.

or maybe with a different driver, it wouldve been a different outcome.


well, at least you can say you beat a 05 Viper, right?

[Vteckidd]

you think with a better driver it would take you?


I mean, numbers are numbers....."505" (500)hp vs 374hp?

and I think you might be confused, it's a 505 ci V10, that makes 500hp and 525rwhp and curb weight of 3,357 lbs

and yours at 374hp. 362rwhp at a curb weight of 3118 lbs.

I mean power to weight ratio...you are only talking a couple of hundred lbs.

thats what i was thinking, i mean, shere numbers he shuold have walked you. but good kill none the less. next time he might run out of "boost Fluid"

[1439/2000]

He'll go out and buy some spray, come back and want to bust your ass probably. That what they all do.

[Speedm0(\)key]

dude... is this a guy who had that pearl grean purple cobra once?..... dude is weird.. he'd sit there and rev the shit out of the car for like half an hour take a 10 minute break and be at it again.

[JITB]

dude... is this a guy who had that pearl grean purple cobra once?..... dude is weird.. he'd sit there and rev the shit out of the car for like half an hour take a 10 minute break and be at it again.

lol that guy owns...ive seen that guy before.

[CRVTech]

dude... is this a guy who had that pearl grean purple cobra once?..... dude is weird.. he'd sit there and rev the shit out of the car for like half an hour take a 10 minute break and be at it again.

Freaking weirdo. Always blaring bad 80's music. Supposedly he was shot overseas and got a huge settlement...which explains the cars...but not why he lives in a trailer park....

He hangs out in Gainesville once in a while. The first time we met him he parked his stang in the middle and was doing the whole reving thing forever. Just waiting for someone to walk over and talk to him. Freak.

[Batman]

Haha, not mean to hijack the thread, but i just came back from the meet in gwinnett and that fool would pop his hood and freakin rev the car 10 times by moving the throttle body, he ran a white aps tt 350z and barely beat him, oh btw, that line "it wasnt in performance mode" came out again...

[AznTraitor]

Haha, not mean to hijack the thread, but i just came back from the "BP meet" at pleasant hill and that fool would pop his hood and freakin rev the car 10 times by moving the throttle body, he ran a white aps tt 350z and barely beat him, oh btw, that line "it wasnt in performance mode" came out again...

you figure that he at least learn and just keep that "perfomance mode" on all the time....

[1439/2000]

dude... is this a guy who had that pearl grean purple cobra once?..... dude is weird.. he'd sit there and rev the shit out of the car for like half an hour take a 10 minute break and be at it again.

Oh god that guy.

HAHA I havent been there in so long but I always hated to go because that guy would show up. Had a white cobra then a prowler,then the mystic cobra convertible with the mystic leather(it was hot), now a viper.

This guys has downs or something. Blaring Night at the Roxbury soundtrack and asking people if they want rides. What a moron.

[Ruiner]

Haha, not mean to hijack the thread, but i just came back from the "BP meet" at pleasant hill and that fool would pop his hood and freakin rev the car 10 times by moving the throttle body, he ran a white aps tt 350z and barely beat him, oh btw, that line "it wasnt in performance mode" came out again...

I heard about the TT 350Z vs Viper run, but apparently I just missed it? I drove through at about 12:30am, but things were seeming to break up somewhat.

Marshall, congrats on Viper win. I honestly wouldn't think that your car could do that with the RWHP that you have. That means that my car should have hung with and/or taken a new Viper (and I shouldn't be able to do that considering I only have a slightly modded exhaust). Odd.

[phantom_hatch]

you think with a better driver it would take you?


I mean, numbers are numbers....."505" (500)hp vs 374hp?

and I think you might be confused, it's a 505 ci V10, that makes 500hp and 525rwhp and curb weight of 3,357 lbs

and yours at 374hp. 362rwhp at a curb weight of 3118 lbs.

I mean power to weight ratio...you are only talking a couple of hundred lbs.

I am curious if his car was even broken in.

or maybe with a different driver, it wouldve been a different outcome.


well, at least you can say you beat a 05 Viper, right?

ok wait a minute i dont know if your stupid or if you fucked up.
500hp i guess you mean fly wheel,and 525rwhp didn't know you could gain hp thru your drivetrain. and its 374rwhp out of a z06 they make 405 from the factory. you might want to do some reading before you post about cars.

[Ruiner]

ok wait a minute i dont know if your stupid or if you fucked up.
500hp i guess you mean fly wheel,and 525rwhp didn't know you could gain hp thru your drivetrain. and its 374rwhp out of a z06 they make 405 from the factory. you might want to do some reading before you post about cars.

Correct. What is the stock, RWHP for a 2005 Viper? I am guessing 430-440rwhp?

[tony]

Haha, not mean to hijack the thread, but i just came back from the "BP meet" at pleasant hill and that fool would pop his hood and freakin rev the car 10 times by moving the throttle body, he ran a white aps tt 350z and barely beat him, oh btw, that line "it wasnt in performance mode" came out again...

Nice kill Marshall! So he barely beat the white 350Z huh? hmm.. I might come out there next chance I get but if the guy is as stupid as you guys say he is I dont think I'd want to line up against him. Does he ever come to the track?

[b0ki]

Fuck that,,,,, I know that guy driving the black viper he cant FUCKING drive !!!!! .... let me drive it ; P



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[AznTraitor]

ok wait a minute i dont know if your stupid or if you fucked up.
500hp i guess you mean fly wheel,and 525rwhp didn't know you could gain hp thru your drivetrain. and its 374rwhp out of a z06 they make 405 from the factory. you might want to do some reading before you post about cars.

I'm both, so why dont you come and bring that hardass line to Columbus.

[Batman]

I heard about the TT 350Z vs Viper run, but apparently I just missed it? I drove through at about 12:30am, but things were seeming to break up somewhat.

Marshall, congrats on Viper win. I honestly wouldn't think that your car could do that with the RWHP that you have. That means that my car should have hung with and/or taken a new Viper (and I shouldn't be able to do that considering I only have a slightly modded exhaust). Odd.

I asume you were the guy with the black porsche turbo and black wheels,
yeah, you left after they raced, so you were there, but on the wrong side...

[Vteckidd]

ok lets do some math

Typically, a FWD car sees 13% drivetrain loss, in a RWD its more, so lets be extra generous and say 15%.

HORSEPOWER=TAKEN FROM MOTOR TREND
now STOCK ZO6 makes 405bhp.
406*.15=60
405-60=345whp

Stock 05 VIPER makes 505bhp.
505*.15=76
505-76=429whp

Advantage Viper=+84whp

Curb Weights=TAKEN FROM MOTOR TREND
ZO6 Corvette=3130lbs
Dodge Viper=3280 lb

Advantage Vette=150lbs

not enough weight IMO to make up a 84whp difference. i didnt do numbers on TQ.

If i had to bet money, it would be on the viper. Now, it seems the viper cant drive, but, a kill is a kill if he was serious about racing. IF he cant drive thats his problem, not marshalls

[Ruiner]

I asume you were the guy with the black porsche turbo and black wheels,
yeah, you left after they raced, so you were there, but on the wrong side...

Yeah. I was only there for a few minutes, anyway. I think that I showed up after they raced at that.

[SilviaK93]

you think with a better driver it would take you?


I mean, numbers are numbers....."505" (500)hp vs 374hp?

and I think you might be confused, it's a 505 ci V10, that makes 500hp and 525rwhp and curb weight of 3,357 lbs

and yours at 374hp. 362rwhp at a curb weight of 3118 lbs.

I mean power to weight ratio...you are only talking a couple of hundred lbs.

I am curious if his car was even broken in.

or maybe with a different driver, it wouldve been a different outcome.


well, at least you can say you beat a 05 Viper, right?

Yeah thats my bad on the 505, I later realized I was thinking of the ci and the hp is 500.

The guy is definately weird, and I would say driver up and down too. I did however play with a silver 05 as well prior to this. We played cat and mouse and he could not pull me, and I could not pull him. Two bad drivers- MAYBE but MAYBE NOT!:confused:

Let me also correct some of your information above..
my car is 374rwhp/362rwtq at 3040lbs with a half tank of gas. Me being me I had the car weighed and this is where it was without me and half tank of gas, add 200lbs= 3240 "race weight" That would make a 317lb difference.

Now that would make my car 430 flywheel hp, and the Viper 500 flywheel hp. 70hp difference.

I dont really know what to think. I would like to race another stock 05 Viper in the same scenario and see what happens- good driver of course.

[SilviaK93]

I heard about the TT 350Z vs Viper run, but apparently I just missed it? I drove through at about 12:30am, but things were seeming to break up somewhat.

Marshall, congrats on Viper win. I honestly wouldn't think that your car could do that with the RWHP that you have. That means that my car should have hung with and/or taken a new Viper (and I shouldn't be able to do that considering I only have a slightly modded exhaust). Odd.

we still need to line up I showed up at that Gwinnett spot around that time. Must have JUST missed you.

[SilviaK93]

Fuck that,,,,, I know that guy driving the black viper he cant FUCKING drive !!!!! .... let me drive it ; P



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I think he does let others drive it, if so come drive it and I will line up with you, if you would consider yourself a "good driver"

[SilviaK93]

ok lets do some math
HORSEPOWER=TAKEN FROM MOTOR TREND
now STOCK ZO6 makes 405bhp.
406*.15=60
405-60=345whp
Advantage Viper=+84whp

Curb Weights=TAKEN FROM MOTOR TREND
ZO6 Corvette=3130lbs
Dodge Viper=3280 lb

Advantage Vette=150lbs

Read my post, your numbers are pretty off.

[SilviaK93]

Oh I also forgot to add that he was so confident to win that he took a passenger. I didnt even realize this until we got back. Guy said he weighed 150lbs. Without this passenger I guess I would have not inched away and it would be more dead even if anything.

[Jaimecbr900]

Nice kill.

I have to introduce you to a buddy of mine Marshall. He's a Z06 gear head too. You may even know him. He used to have a badass Turbo Max and then he got the Z06.

This is his car:


His car has got some mods and it sounds awesome.

He'll be at our meet on the 14th. You coming?

[SilviaK93]

Nice kill.

I have to introduce you to a buddy of mine Marshall. He's a Z06 gear head too. You may even know him. He used to have a badass Turbo Max and then he got the Z06.

This is his car:


His car has got some mods and it sounds awesome.

He'll be at our meet on the 14th. You coming?

I do believe I have seen this car before. Beautiful car and the wheels of choice for every Z owner.

I will be there!

[Vteckidd]

Read my post, your numbers are pretty off.

how are my numbers off, they were taken from Motor Trend Magazine.

I also crossreferenced those numbers with other magazines and were pretty acurate. I used STOCK BHP ratings. you say you make 374whp, then thats more than my estimate cause you make more than a stock Z06.

SO......

3240 "race weight" That would make a 317lb difference.

VIPER CURB WEIGHT=3280
YOUR PERSONAL VETTE CURB WEIGHT=3240 (your figure)
3280-3240=40lbs. how is that 317lbs?

Even if you used AZNTRAITORS figure it would be:
3357lbs-3240lbs=117lbs

So lets just say for arguments sake its 75lbs capeche?

you make MORE power than my figures, and you weigh SLIGHTLY more than i estimated, and you didnt win?

thats all im saying. Is that based on numbers, power to ratio, whp you should get walked. now you say you make MORE power, and weigh less than a stock Viper

my

Good Kill btw, as i said, its not your fault he cant drive, as most viper drivers cant

EDIT: all this math and i fucked up. Ok so my initial estimate was 150lb weight difference correct? ok so in reality you weigh closer to him than we all thought. so your vette is similar in weight, but not in power.
Advantage: Viper

[Jaimecbr900]

I will be there!

Great!!!

Don't forget to sign up.

[phantom_hatch]

putting two cents in again, you can factor power & weight. but you're forgetting trans gear ratio's and rearend. both cars are different. and as far as getting info from mags, you cant believe everything you read to the exact numbers.

the point is he won...a win is a win!

[PSINXS]

agreed phantom. and car and driver said in their sti review not to even try to duplicate ther 1/4 numbers do to the way they were launching the car and such. as why most sti owners are in mid 13s and my friends ran a 14.0 in his stock evo(not use to drag strip yet).
anyway good kill, and your car is helping me decide on my next project.

[SilviaK93]

how are my numbers off, they were taken from Motor Trend Magazine.

I also crossreferenced those numbers with other magazines and were pretty acurate.

Magazines are not always correct. My car has been weighed on a certified scale and those are the numbers I have posted. Bowling Green also prints that the Z06 weighs 3040lbs off the assembly line with a full tank of gas.

I used STOCK BHP ratings. you say you make 374whp, then thats more than my estimate cause you make more than a stock Z06.

My car is not 100% stock, that is why I make more hp and I only speak of my car in REAR WHEEL HP

SO......



VIPER CURB WEIGHT=3280
YOUR PERSONAL VETTE CURB WEIGHT=3240 (your figure)
3280-3240=40lbs. how is that 317lbs?

Even if you used AZNTRAITORS figure it would be:
3357lbs-3240lbs=117lbs

Do you know what curb weight is? Do you know what race weight is?
Curb weight is the car with no driver, and race weight is your track weight with driver. You cannot compare my race weight and his curb weight as there is another 150lbs for the driver and then another 150lbs for the passenger he was dump enough to lug along. Do the math now..

So lets just say for arguments sake its 75lbs capeche?

you make MORE power than my figures, and you weigh SLIGHTLY more than i estimated, and you didnt win?

thats all im saying. Is that based on numbers, power to ratio, whp you should get walked. now you say you make MORE power, and weigh less than a stock Viper

my

Good Kill btw, as i said, its not your fault he cant drive, as most viper drivers cant

There are alot of Z owners out there that cant drive either. Thats the problem with these high performance cars. I really want to run another with a "GOOD DRIVER"- someone I know can drive a car.

EDIT: all this math and i fucked up. Ok so my initial estimate was 150lb weight difference correct? ok so in reality you weigh closer to him than we all thought. so your vette is similar in weight, but not in power.
Advantage: Viper

Read above, I have commented on each.

[Ruiner]

we still need to line up I showed up at that Gwinnett spot around that time. Must have JUST missed you.

Yep, we do need to play around.

[Ruiner]

Nice kill.

I have to introduce you to a buddy of mine Marshall. He's a Z06 gear head too. You may even know him. He used to have a badass Turbo Max and then he got the Z06.

This is his car:
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His car has got some mods and it sounds awesome.

He'll be at our meet on the 14th. You coming?

Hah, that's my headlight on the bottom left.

[Jaimecbr900]

Hah, that's my headlight on the bottom left.

It sure is isn't it.

Well, I have one that shows more than just the headlight :




Sorry Marshall.....didn't mean to hijack you're thread.