I need to start a new thread to get this section off religion. I need to be a mod for an hour so I can send the NC thread to the religion section where it belongs.
So what should be talk about? The choice in yours.
Obama vs Romney
Wisconsin ramifications
Effects of Citizens United
Ineffective Congress
White House security leaks
General election news
Other
Let this subform just die
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I need to start a new thread to get this section off religion. I need to be a mod for an hour so I can send the NC thread to the religion section where it belongs.
So what should be talk about? The choice in yours.
none of the above! lol jk man. Start developing a subject I'll try to join.
I was going to make a thread dissecting the over-zealous right's victory in the Scott Walker recall election, and why the far left shouldnt be so disenchanted by his win, and throw a little citizens united in there
Might make a thread explaining why working class Americans typically vote conservative and why its hindering societal progression
Might make a thread explaining why working class Americans typically vote conservative and why its hindering societal progression
do that blankcd. Interesting topic.
This one is easy. Non union working class typically vote conservative because they dont like their money going to welfare programs.Originally Posted by .blank cd
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I looked for the RELIGION section, Jimmy, and couldn't find it. Later, QD.
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Wisconsin ramifications and the general election. With some pretty significant union membership losses since Walkers election and his win in the recall election, how much does it affect the general election and the "resolve" of some liberal policies?
Is it gone now with all the changes lately?
^^^ Yessir. I'll get Hasan to get it back up somewhere.
Entertainment sound good, lolol? Later, QD.
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I really hadn't even noticed, but entertainment could be pretty fitting lol.
This this place is more fitting.
http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/dead-posts/
Well played, Jimmy, lolol. Later, QD.
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Jimmy... I completely agree with you about why working class votes conservative. I work at AT&T and have to talk to customers about whatever they bring up.
A retired police officer came in there angry as hell... We started talking and this is what he said...
"I'm tired of these lazy motherfuckers that don't work and all get a SSI check. I use to work in (forgot where he said but it was somewhere in ATL), and none of those fuckers work. How the fuck is this country going to survive with all these lazy fuckers getting checks and they are 100% fine. Just because they went to a doctor and said they suffer from this or that they get a check. That is some bullshit... if they don't want to work they deserve to not eat and starve to death."
I kind of agree with him but DAMN he took it to the next level. I was like holy shit!
hmm.. I'm already tired of Obama vs Romney. Maybe we could discuss how rediculously long the election cycle is and how the amount of time, money, and energy is spent on campaigning rather than governing.
I honestly don't feel there is really much to extrapolate from the Wisconsin recall election. Something like 20% of people who voted for Scott Walker also said they would vote for Obama.
Citizen's United Decision - I would be interested to hear if anyone felt this was a good thing.
What I would really like to see is more discussion on solutions. How do we fix a broken political system? How do we reform entitlement programs that could actually pass through congress? How can we get the media back to reporting objective evidence and cutting out all the angry commentary? How are we going to prepare the next generation to move the country forward? etc.
I couldnt agree more. The election cycle is far too long. The first primaries this year were in January. Move the primaries back and start them in late May. 5 states per week with the final primary the Tuesday before Independence Day. With the 24 hour news cycle and social media candidates dont need to go to every state to get their message to the people.
The one thing I got from the Wisconsin election is that Unions need the ability to force people into unions in order to keep their roles up. Wisconsin lost something like 45% of its union workers in the year since you no longer had to rent your job from a union.
At first I thought it was. Now that I see it in practice I am not. More than ever I am for the idea of public funding of federal elections and the repeal of the 17th Amendment. House members and their opponents get 5 mil each to run their campaign. Presidential primaries get 25 mil, general election get 100mil. I also believe a sitting official should have to resign his or her post before running for higher office.
Today's politicians rarely, if ever, run on their own record. Instead they simply attack anything their opponent has ever said or done. I dont care that Obama snorted a few lines of coke 30 years ago while he was in college. Nor do I care that Romney bullied a kid when he was 16. These things say absolutely nothing about who these 2 are today, they say these 2 were immature before they matured. Shocking.
The system is fine. Its the people that are screwed up. We all know the people we are voting for have only their own interests in mind, yet we continue to vote for them. For this, we have no one to blame but ourselves, the electorate.
Again, it comes to people. How do you expect an honest debate when both sides of the argument tell bold faced lies about every proposal? Maybe its time for legislation requiring truth in political advertising.
The angry commentary isnt the problem when it is advertised as commentary. The problem is angry commentary that is advertised as news. How many times have we gone back and forth over an article on this site or that site?
They are fucked and as a result so are we. The educational system is geared towards mediocrity with no stimulus for the truly gifted students and no hope for the numbskulls.
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"
-Isaac Asimov
ON-TOPIC Also Jimmy, you're MODified, couldn't think of a more level-headed mod for this section.
The people are part of the system and if one part of the system is broken, the whole system is broken. You could have a seemingly perfect system based on rational, educated voters but if the voters aren't rational or educated, the system won't work. We need a governing system that takes people's ignorance, biases, and irrationality into account.
I'm not saying fiery commentary should be banned or anything but when it becomes the primary source of news for many people and creates an us vs them mentality between Americans, it is a problem. I guess my main concern is why do people find it so appealing? Honestly when I listen to it, it almost makes me queasy. I'd rather listen to a respectful, intelligent debate any day of the week.
Me?? Level headed?? I think you been sniffing too much of that Chinese smog. I'll make sure to only lightly abuse my power though.
I agree when you put it this way. The theory of a democratic republic is great, the real question is how do you put in checks and balances to limit the risks posed by those that seek to corrupt the system or are too stupid or lazy to use the system as it was intended. The only way I can think to do this, would in itself hurt the system.
Again, I agree, but dont limit this to commentary. You can add the politicians and their staffs into the equation also. When was the last time we saw a politician who opposed a measure actually give an honest account of the policy and why he or she opposes it? I cant think of a single one over the last decade.
Moderation is key to avoid getting spotted!
lol
I shall try, but I can make no promises.
True and there is kind of a vicious cycle here where pundits and politicians divide the electorate into warring tribes which makes people less likely to vote for moderate candidates which in turn leads to more divisive rhetoric. One of the three groups has to take the moral high road to put an end to it and the politicians seem the least likely to do it.
They divide the electorate in a way that helps them gain more power. Look at the way redistricting works. Whoever controls the Sate govt rigs districts to favor their own party. Look at the district map of any state. If it is run by GOP they will remove a red area from a majority blue area, then add that red area to a purple district in order to make it a solid red district. When dems control it, they do the same thing.
A moderate candidate cannot survive in this climate. Look at what has happened to the blue dog dems in the last 2 election cycles. In '08 they took a beating by far left liberals. As a result, many moved to the left. In '10, they got their whooping from conservatives because they moved too far left for many of the swing voters. Moderate GOP hasnt done much better in the last 2 years. Many were replaced by the Tea Party in '10 and many more are in a fight this year with 3 already losing in primaries.
Right, so how do we begin to close the huge partisan gap? That's what I want to discuss. I think discussion is a good way, but for that to happen on a large scale, the media has to be on board and stop giving so much air time to the most extreme, most ideological, and most partisan people. The journalistic endeavor to inform people has taken a back seat to entertaining them.
The only way to close it would be an educated electorate or a major disaster that concentrates our energies elsewhere. It would take an enemy that both left and right can agree to hate and destroy. To me, that sounds like a real war, not these minor skirmishes we have been involved in.
Had to put this someplace.
The Obama event registry — Blog — Barack Obama
Anyone getting married? Buying a house? Having a kid?
Let me know so I know when to send the gift to Obama instead of you. Obama says you dont need it as much as he does.
He really does take the definition of narcissist to a whole new level.
I would love to know how much cash this makes for him. I wonder if it is registered as small donations and untraceable or what.
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