Biden vs Palin debate this thursday...

[4dmin]

Biden vs Palin debate this thursday... who do you think is gonna win?



i've been waiting for this one since reps chose her... biden for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

^ quoted from other thread.

discuss.

[Vteckidd]

Palin in a land slide. Biden self destructs

[Kevykev]

When i think of Palin, I think of her being GRILLED for the past 2 weeks like they did Drago in Rocky IV.

[4dmin]

Palin in a land slide. Biden self destructs

gotta quote this one ... we'll see won't we

[Deke]

I will be utterly shocked if Palin wins this.

[blacknightteg]

i highly doubt palin will win

[BanginJimmy]

I think a draw is the same as calling it a Palin win.


I look at alot of the comments made by Biden in the last couple weeks and I just dont know if he can handle a debate if it gets nasty. Simply too many comments made that go against Obama's platform.

[tony]

I'm utterly shocked that someone would think that Palin doesn't paint herself a fool on thursday.

You want to know how Biden will win the debate? Let her speak, Biden is well versed in international relations.. all he has to do is speak off of knowledge. Palin lacks knowledge, she is trained on talking points and nothing more.

I'm sorry guys, being in Alaska keeps you so far from everything going on in the world. Basically everything you know is based off of what you see on television. You do not even get second hand information because none of your peers have any real world experience. Palin suffers on this level and all of a sudden she is thrown on this big stage, she is far out of her league and now many conservatives are saying she needs to step down.

[Mike Lowrey]

I'm utterly shocked that someone would think that Palin doesn't paint herself a fool on thursday.

You want to know how Biden will win the debate? Let her speak, Biden is well versed in international relations.. all he has to do is speak off of knowledge. Palin lacks knowledge, she is trained on talking points and nothing more.

I'm sorry guys, being in Alaska keeps you so far from everything going on in the world. Basically everything you know is based off of what you see on television. You do not even get second hand information because none of your peers have any real world experience. Palin suffers on this level and all of a sudden she is thrown on this big stage, she is far out of her league and now many conservatives are saying she needs to step down.

All she has to do is sidestep the knowledge/experience thing like Obama did in his debate. I think Obama did a pretty good job of it too.


I will wait to see the debate before declaring a winner.

[4dmin]

I'm utterly shocked that someone would think that Palin doesn't paint herself a fool on thursday.

i would totally bet on this except for hardcore reps will not claim defeat even if she butchers it like her last two interviews. i am waiting to see what faq check and critique afterward has to say about it

[alpine_aw11]

This is going to be really bad. Palin is going to seal McCain's defeat, he would've had a great shot at winning the election without that worthless VP choice. She simply doesn't know ****.

[Vteckidd]

I think its pretty funny to hear Tony say that Palin will hang herself just by talking.

This is what the Dems have been praying for and she hasnt done it yet. They keep hoping for that one moment that ruins her and it just hasnt happened yet so they are fabricating stories to make themselves feel better.

Biden has had the same if not MORE of the same blunders the rest of the politicians have. Biden talking about FDR on National TV when it was Hoover and before TV was even around , calling paying taxes patriotic, saying Obama was wrong for going after mccain in an ad about him not being able to email. I mean he has had more sound bites than Palin.

Fact is the only person that can change this election is PALIN, Biden is a NON ISSUE. He is boring, unenergetic, hes a career politician.

Obama is this young, charismatic, eloquent speaker. But unfortunetly he has ZERO EXPERIENCE and has done absolutely NOTHING but run for president. Palin, shes not as good a speaker as Obama, but she can energize a crowd like he can.

Biden is going to have to destroy her , and i dont think he can do it. He cant come off as condescending, he cant come off as talking down to her (a woman), he cant come off as experienced because then hes not the "change" Obama is promising.

All Palin has to do is hold her own and not give the liberals any sound bites and you watch her bounce the Mccain ticket 5 points.

[Alan®]

she is trained on talking points and nothing more.

You know this cause you work on the campaign staff right .

[Dirty Octopus™]

Palin can get a lil' fiesty. though i think Biden may tear her apart as far as issues and their jobs are concerned. she seems more like she'll give SEVERAL low blows in the pursuit of sounding credible.

[Vteckidd]

I'm utterly shocked that someone would think that Palin doesn't paint herself a fool on thursday.

You want to know how Biden will win the debate? Let her speak, Biden is well versed in international relations.. all he has to do is speak off of knowledge. Palin lacks knowledge, she is trained on talking points and nothing more.

LOL are you serious?

I LOVE YOU GUYS so hypocritical!

WHen you discuss OBama vs Mccain your argument is always that Obama represents Change and that the "old boy network" in washington needs to be done away with. Yet Obama has absolutely no record, period. But that doesnt matter to you because hes DIFFERENT! Who cares about Experience

When you Discuss Palin vs Biden it is suddenly all about EXPERIENCE and how she has none.

I'm sorry guys, being in Alaska keeps you so far from everything going on in the world. Basically everything you know is based off of what you see on television. You do not even get second hand information because none of your peers have any real world experience. Palin suffers on this level and all of a sudden she is thrown on this big stage, she is far out of her league and now many conservatives are saying she needs to step down.

And being a senator for 2 years from ILLINOIS is SO MUCH BETTER! God that was the dumbest thing i have ever seen you say tony!

How can you say that a GOVERNOR in ALASKA means NOTHING?! then in the same sentence you are touting obama like hes gods gift to politics. What has BIDEN done that was so wonderfull?

LOL and spreading lies, the same number of CONSERVATIVES wanting her to step down are proportional to the DEMS that are now voting MCCAIN. So whats your point?

It just amazes me how when it comes to the question of EXPERIENCE for the presidency, no one has an answer because they want Obama to win, but suddenly all your guys are experts on what it takes to be a VP.

laughable

[tony]

You know this cause you work on the campaign staff right .

Did you watch the interview with Katie Couric? I know this because I've watched the campaigns over and over and I know what is new and I know what is regurgitated. She doesn't think on her own, she's not that intelligenct regardless of what you want to believe.

I can tell the exact same thing with Obama to the point where I can almost say one of his stump speeches along with him.

[Vteckidd]

The difference is the Media asks PALIN "GOTCHA" questions , they are BROAD, and have no real answer.

Unfortunetly she doesnt know how to answer them so they try to play it into a sound bite.

Obama is GREAT at generalizing and dodging the question. That is the only difference between them

[Alan®]

Did you watch the interview with Katie Couric? I know this because I've watched the campaigns over and over and I know what is new and I know what is regurgitated. She doesn't think on her own, she's not that intelligenct regardless of what you want to believe.

I can tell the exact same thing with Obama to the point where I can almost say one of his stump speeches along with him.

I did see it. I will agree with you that McCain is mishandeling her.

But again you don't know what she's being trained on for the debate

[tony]

It just amazes me how when it comes to the question of EXPERIENCE for the presidency, no one has an answer because they want Obama to win, but suddenly all your guys are experts on what it takes to be a VP.

laughable

Ever been to Alaska? Especially for an extended period of time, I'm just curious.

What I stated is based off of my experience, not my disdain for her or McCain. Someone who has lived in Alaska all of their life is hardly worthy of a position that requires a worldly knowledge.

All she has to do is sidestep the knowledge/experience thing like Obama did in his debate. I think Obama did a pretty good job of it too.


I will wait to see the debate before declaring a winner.

I agree totally, but the thing is Obama has 32 debates to hone his side stepping, Palin does not.

[tony]

The difference is the Media asks PALIN "GOTCHA" questions , they are BROAD, and have no real answer.

Unfortunetly she doesnt know how to answer them so they try to play it into a sound bite.

Obama is GREAT at generalizing and dodging the question. That is the only difference between them

OoOOoOoo the evil media, damn them for actually asking questions that were not prepared!

But again you don't know what she's being trained on for the debate

If she's being trained on what to say.. that means she is being fed talking points, its pretty simple.

[Vteckidd]

OoOOoOoo the evil media, damn them for actually asking questions that were not prepared!





If she's being trained on what to say.. that means she is being fed talking points, its pretty simple.

DO A POLL an ask how many people know what the BUSH DOCTRINE is, less than 10% of Americans would know what that was.

If thats your guys HOME RUN then you have alot to figure out

[4dmin]

I think its pretty funny to hear Tony say that Palin will hang herself just by talking.

This is what the Dems have been praying for and she hasnt done it yet. They keep hoping for that one moment that ruins her and it just hasnt happened yet so they are fabricating stories to make themselves feel better.

Biden has had the same if not MORE of the same blunders the rest of the politicians have. Biden talking about FDR on National TV when it was Hoover and before TV was even around , calling paying taxes patriotic, saying Obama was wrong for going after mccain in an ad about him not being able to email. I mean he has had more sound bites than Palin.

Fact is the only person that can change this election is PALIN, Biden is a NON ISSUE. He is boring, unenergetic, hes a career politician.

Obama is this young, charismatic, eloquent speaker. But unfortunetly he has ZERO EXPERIENCE and has done absolutely NOTHING but run for president. Palin, shes not as good a speaker as Obama, but she can energize a crowd like he can.

Biden is going to have to destroy her , and i dont think he can do it. He cant come off as condescending, he cant come off as talking down to her (a woman), he cant come off as experienced because then hes not the "change" Obama is promising.

All Palin has to do is hold her own and not give the liberals any sound bites and you watch her bounce the Mccain ticket 5 points.

dude your far off base... dont think biden will not attack her on all of the issues. i'm not sure if you've watched all of her speeches but they were regurgitated GOP convention speeches. I will give you she is energetic and fresh for rep faces but when it comes down to the issues she doesn't know her sh!t. you obviously missed her last interview. i know you tried to state that Gibson was attacking her; i'm sure you will say the same about Couric.

sorry dude she is the weakest link out of the four. good strategy move to insert a woman but he should of gotten one w/ more knowledge on US gov and policy. debates come down to knowlege on the issues not how outgoing you are.

[Vteckidd]

dude your far off base... dont think biden will not attack her on all of the issues. i'm not sure if you've watched all of her speeches but they were regurgitated GOP convention speeches. I will give you she is energetic and fresh for rep faces but when it comes down to the issues she doesn't know her sh!t. you obviously missed her last interview. i know you tried to state that Gibson was attacking her; i'm sure you will say the same about Couric.

sorry dude she is the weakest link out of the four. good strategy move to insert a woman but he should of gotten one w/ more knowledge on US gov and policy. debates come down to knowlege on the issues not how outgoing you are.

Its not even worth arguing because Obama gets a free pass, but Palin you guys love to villify.

[4dmin]

Its not even worth arguing because Obama gets a free pass, but Palin you guys love to villify.

how'd he get a free pass? he did just has good as mccain did in the debates and polls show that. bias or not niether hit home runs nor won it.

did you watch the couric interview?

[Alan®]

i would totally bet on this except for hardcore reps will not claim defeat even if she butchers it like her last two interviews. i am waiting to see what faq check and critique afterward has to say about it

I'm sorry I got stop you there because you know what. SHe has done interview with only hostile interviewers. She needs to get on networks like Fox so that you can see who she really is. The problem with interviews like the Katie Couric Interview is that Obama and the media have painted a picutre of her basically wearing a duncecap. And since CBS/NBC etc. are very left they are going to push it even more.Palin answers her questions in very much the same way that Obama did early on. What I find humorus is that the found it acceptable and he is the PRESIDENTIAL canidate and she is merely the Vice Presidential canidate and she is getting pushed harder than Obama.

[Alan®]

If she's being trained on what to say.. that means she is being fed talking points, its pretty simple.

Tony again you make no sense here. Everyone's issue with her it seems is that she doesn't "Know anything" "I'm smarter than Palin",etc. So then when she makes an effor to educate herself she is simply learning talking points and still doesn't know anything? Sorry you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[4dmin]

I'm sorry I got stop you there because you know what. SHe has done interview with only hostile interviewers. She needs to get on networks like Fox so that you can see who she really is. The problem with interviews like the Katie Couric Interview is that Obama and the media have painted a picutre of her basically wearing a duncecap. And since CBS/NBC etc. are very left they are going to push it even more.Palin answers her questions in very much the same way that Obama did early on. What I find humorus is that the found it acceptable and he is the PRESIDENTIAL canidate and she is merely the Vice Presidential canidate and she is getting pushed harder than Obama.

hostile interviewers com'on dude let me pull out the worlds smallest violin

hostile would be Orilley Factor - the guy makes fun of people until they come to his show.

I think you are forgetting as stated by many she is 1 step away from being leader of the FREE WORLD. she needs to be torn apart like the rest to see how she stacks up. is she getting more then normal vp - yes. why? well stems back to her being picked for strategic reasons. she wasn't picked for being a good candidate she was picked b/c the reps wanted to drive that divide between hillary/obama voters. you can't deny this b/c she got more press for weeks while mccain took a back seat.

[Alan®]

how'd he get a free pass? he did just has good as mccain did in the debates and polls show that. bias or not niether hit home runs nor won it.

did you watch the couric interview?

Sorry but I would rather have a canidate that simply said I don't know than one that can't make up his mind. How she answered that final question is Debating/Interview 101. Rather than give your opponent the opportunity to come back later and say you were wrong, you be honest and say I don't know but I'll find out for you.

[Alan®]

I think you are forgetting as stated by many she is 1 step away from being leader of the FREE WORLD.

Yet again a one sided argument from the dems . Both are a breath away from the Presidency. I love how people simply take McCain's age and go "OH HE'S OLD HE'S GOING TO DIE SOON SH!T". If you're going to argue that than Biden needs to be ripped to shreds as well so we can see what we are getting. But it will never happen. Things are beyond our control. As I recall the youngest president to take office didn't make it all the way through his first term either but eh? That's ok no big deal

[tony]

Its not even worth arguing because Obama gets a free pass, but Palin you guys love to villify.

Know why Obama gets my respect and Palin doesn't on this stage? Obama was elected to this position.. he had to earn it and went up against was basically was the incumbent in Hillary Clinton.

Palin was handed her position and nothing more. She cant compare herself to Hillary because she hasnt done anything to earn the position of VP.

[willum14pb]

i think she's been fooling you all with these interviews.. she'll show up thursday with more knowledge than biden has to offer on everything!!!


*wishful thinking* lol.


i dont know, it will be interesting to say the least... can't wait to see what happens.

[Alan®]

i think she's been fooling you all with these interviews.. she'll show up thursday with more knowledge than biden has to offer on everything!!!


*wishful thinking* lol.


i dont know, it will be interesting to say the least... can't wait to see what happens.

At the end of the day this debate is just like the Obama Mccain debate. All she has to do is tie or surprise everyone and she essentially wins

[alpine_aw11]

At the end of the day this debate is just like the Obama Mccain debate. All she has to do is tie or surprise everyone and she essentially wins

I really don't think she's going to be able to do that though. She's not going to be able to keep up with Biden, he's going to be a total prick in this debate. Which could actually end up being good for her, but nonetheless I can't see her being any competition when it comes to actually dealing with the issues and giving good answers. But then again, we will only know when the debate happens. As of now I predict failure.

[4dmin]

I really don't think she's going to be able to do that though. She's not going to be able to keep up with Biden, he's going to be a total prick in this debate. Which could actually end up being good for her, but nonetheless I can't see her being any competition when it comes to actually dealing with the issues and giving good answers. But then again, we will only know when the debate happens. As of now I predict failure.

him attacking putting her to the test will only push the woman vote away from her... hill dawg supporters aren't uniformed house wives. if she doesn't hold her own she will not gain those Hillary voters reps were banking on.

[alpine_aw11]

him attacking putting her to the test will only push the woman vote away from her... hill dawg supporters aren't uniformed house wives. if she doesn't hold her own she will not gain those Hillary voters reps were banking on.

It's not necessarily about whether or not she attacks her, it's the manner that he goes about doing it. If he's a douchebag throughout the debate, that could actually help her because people don't take lack of character as a good quality. I don't know what he's going to do, but I've heard he plans on being pretty ruthless. Again, I'm just going to wait and see.

[4dmin]

It's not necessarily about whether or not she attacks her, it's the manner that he goes about doing it. If he's a douchebag throughout the debate, that could actually help her because people don't take lack of character as a good quality. I don't know what he's going to do, but I've heard he plans on being pretty ruthless. Again, I'm just going to wait and see.

only people who look for the sympathy card are currently voting rep anyway... they aren't going to be swayed either way. undecided voters are what debates are about and these people mainly are in it for the issues.

[Alan®]

only people who look for the sympathy card are currently voting rep anyway.

Wait a minute. And what are the dems all about? Helping the little people. We should have sympathy on the little people that don't make enough money to buy the big screen and have internet. So we are going to take away from those that have and give it to those that have not. Obama wants socialize practically everything. And raise taxes on small business owners who make up 99% of the businesses in this country who also give out most of the jobs in this country. But you're right we are the ones looking for the sympathy here.

[4dmin]

Wait a minute. And what are the dems all about? Helping the little people. We should have sympathy on the little people that don't make enough money to buy the big screen and have internet. So we are going to take away from those that have and give it to those that have not. Obama wants socialize practically everything. And raise taxes on small business owners who make up 99% of the businesses in this country who also give out most of the jobs in this country. But you're right we are the ones looking for the sympathy here.

what does this have to do w/ topic? well mccain wants 95% of america to pay more taxes then obama who the f*ck cares? is obama, biden/palin? no.

[Alan®]

what does this have to do w/ topic? well mccain wants 95% of america to pay more taxes then obama who the f*ck cares? is obama, biden/palin? no.

Paul you amaze me sometimes. You bring up stuff OT it then gets shot down and you go "what does that have to do with the topic". IDK you tell me you're the one making bs ass statements like that.

EDIT: BTW according to whatever article was posted up awhile back once you add in all of Obama's new programs you still end up with less under Obama. Again let's think about this Paul. 99% of businesses operating inside of the U.S. are small businesses. They provide most of the jobs in the country. The average small business owner in '06 was making 235k roughly which means there are plenty small business owners making over Obama's coveted $250K mark. Obama wants to raise taxes on people who make $250K a year (Small business owners) what do you think will happen to jobs in this country?

Here in lies the fundamental difference between the two canidates. Do we help the little people by suffocating the "evil rich". Or do we help everyone but reward those who are succesful a little more.

Think of it this way. You're doing a partner project in school. You do the brunt of the work while you're partner does just what he is asked if that much. Who out of the two should reap the rewards?

[4dmin]

Paul you amaze me sometimes. You bring up stuff OT it then gets shot down and you go "what does that have to do with the topic". IDK you tell me you're the one making bs ass statements like that.

i try to stay on topic as much as possible... we are talking about biden/palin and you want to discuss tax plans w/o mentioning topic at hand. who is not on topic? nice try.