Choose life. Even if your daughter is raped.
Palin is a f*cking moron - condemning a victim b/c of your backwater way of thinking is just dumb. This is why you can't have small town mentality running our country.
you guys are WACK
She was asked if her DAUGHTER was RAPED what would she choose and she said "I would choose LIFE" BTW that is over 50% of AMERICA that is PRO LIFE so this is NOT back woods thinking.
This is what the MAJORITY OF AMERICA FEELS.
FURTHERMORE the CANDIDATE WITH THE MINORITY VIEW ON ABORTION IS OBAMACBS Poll done OCT 2007
A new poll conducted by CBS News makes it clear that a majority of Americans are pro-life when itcomes to the issue of abortion.
The October survey finds 54 percent of Americans take one of three pro-life positions opposing all or almost all abortions and another 16 percent want more restrictions on it.
I mean PALIN is in line with over 54% of the AMERICAN POPULATION dems and republicans.A new poll conducted jointly by CBS News and the New York Times finds just 31 percent agree with Barack Obama's position in favor of abortion throughout pregnancy. A majority of Americans say they support John McCain's pro-life position or want greater limits on abortions.
The poll asked respondents two abortion questions.
The first asked if they believe abortions "should be generally available to those who want it," "under stricter limits than it is now," or if abortions should "not be permitted."
Just 37 percent sided with Obama's position that unlimited abortions should be generally available where as 61 percent said abortions should not be permitted or subject to greater limits.
A second question broke down the abortion views further and just 31 percent agreed with Obama that abortions should be "permitted in all cases."
A much higher 47 percent sided with McCain's pro-life views and said abortions should only be allowed in cases of rape, incest or to pro-life the life of the mother; in only the latter case, or not at all.
Another 19 percent disagreed with Obama and said abortions should be subjected to greater restrictions than they are now.
Douglas Johnson, of National Right to Life, responded to the poll.
"So: Sixty-six percent want more restrictions, but Obama wants to sweep away virtually all impediments to abortion on demand. Who is out of step with public opinion?" he said.
"The mainstream media, of course, generally prefer not to spell out the ways in which Obama has made commitments to change the status quo in the pro-abortion direction -- usually preferring to stick with general statements like 'Obama supports abortion rights,'" he said.
The latest CBS News poll is actually an aberration as its polls covering the last eight years all show a majority of Americans take a pro-life position and an even higher number breaking with Obama on abortion.
In August, CBS News found just 26 percent of respondents siding with Obama in favor of legal abortions for any reason throughout pregnancy, which was the position of the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade.
The August survey found 53 percent taking one of the three pro-life positions to side with McCain and another 16 percent disagreeing with Obama and wanting more limits on abortions.
Even more on her views
So yeah she PERSONALLY would choose LIFE in her household which is what she said, so what , who are you to tell a family what they can and cannot do?HANNITY: Did you only want to teach creationism in school and not evolution?
PALIN: No. In fact, growing up in a school teacher's house with a science teacher as a dad, you know, I have great respect for science being taught in our science classes and evolution to be taught in our science classes.
HANNITY: You've talked a lot about religion and I know you've discussed this how important is religion and your faith? Because I read a lot about you and obviously religion and faith is an important part of your life. How important is it in your life?
PALIN: Faith is very, very important in my life. I don't believe I wear it on my sleeve and I would never try to shove it down anybody else's throat and try to convert anybody. But just a very simple faith that is important to me it really is my foundation.
Oh i forgot the Dems want to be able to have the govt decide everything for you
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Paul do a Google search for llinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act. And tell me who is more of a Quack.
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I am pro choice btw and I still think what he supported is plain old wrong.
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http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) portrays himself as a thoughtful Democrat who carefully considers both sides of controversial issues, but his radical stance on abortion puts him further left on that issue than even NARAL Pro-Choice America.
In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.
Both the Illinois and the federal bill sought equal treatment for babies who survived premature inducement for the purpose of abortion and wanted babies who were born prematurely and given live-saving medical attention.
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% or not which i think your numbers are quite off - if your gf/wife/daughter was RAPED you would want her to keep it?
I'm sorry but that is back water thinking - lets bring a child into the world who was conceived in the act of violence
the gov't has no right nor should they to tell you what to do with your body. end of discussion.
YOUR idea is backwater thinking, to not let someone make that decision for themselves. People see things differently, get used to it. I have no problem with abortions but I DO have a problem with people saying someone needs one.% or not which i think your numbers are quite off - if your gf/wife/daughter was RAPED you would want her to keep it?
I'm sorry but that is back water thinking - lets bring a child into the world who was conceived in the act of violence
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you don't make a bit of sense... i am all for someone making their own decisions - this is a topic about "MORE GOV'T" which your republicans speak of and contradict themselves on. gov should not have a hand in telling you what you should do with your body. and it is very backwater close minded for someone who has never been in anothers shoes to sit there and say "you need to get over you were raped(or incest) and just have the kid"
http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm <<< lots of % for you mike
You really need to do better research. The 2002 bill in Illinois was not the same as the federal bill. You might be able to make a case stating that the 2003 bill could have been close enough, but you still really need to start pulling research from organizations that, at the very least, attempt to be non-partisan:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...fanticide.html
ok POLL is up lets she to the true loons are...
I'm not finished researching it but everything I have read so far makes my oppositon to obama that much stronger.
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This begs the question again as I always seem to find myself asking when looking at Obama....Which is it. The man contradicts himself so much its not even funny. This alone makes me sick. Like I said I'm pro-choice but this crosses a moral line in my book.Obama opposed the 2001 and 2002 "born alive" bills as backdoor attacks on a woman's legal right to abortion, but he says he would have been "fully in support" of a similar federal bill that President Bush had signed in 2002, because it contained protections for Roe v. Wade
We find that, as the NRLC said in a recent statement, Obama voted in committee against the 2003 state bill that was nearly identical to the federal act he says he would have supported.
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OMG this is rediculous!
The POLL numbers i had were taken DIRECTLY FROM CBS NEWS. AND GALLOP so how is that percentage off?
i even listed the dates!
Republicans want MORE GOVT? are you on CRACK? do you know what the Dems are for?
WOW that is the most boneheaded statement i have EVER SEEN.
Paul,so you equate Obamas BIG GOVT with his proposals on the GOVT giving you everything, all his new social programs, increasing the size of GOVT etc with small govt compared to Republicans?
Republicans are for the FREE MARKET and for the least amount of GOVT control there is. They want you to make the best of your life and work hard.
The Dems want to give you everything by taxing the rich.
Maybe you should learn more about their partys an what they stand for.
Again stop putting words in her mouth, she NEVER said she was going to legislate that ROe v Wade is thrown out, and she is not going to push her PERSONAL BELIEFS.
AS A FAMILY, in HER FAMILY, she said she would choose life. AGAIN SHE IS NOT IN THE MINORITY ON THAT FACT.
SHE NEVER SAID SHE WOULD COME IN TO YOUR FAMILY and make you CHOOSE LIFE.
FIND ME WHERE SHE SAID THIS QUOTE
"you need to get over you were raped(or incest) and just have the kid"
I cant seem to ever find her saying that in any interview.
Lets not Lie now , lets not embelish the truth. What she said is perfectly normal, and is MAINSTREAM AMERICAS thinking.
HOW IS THAT BACK WOODS/WATER?
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His problem with the Illinois bill, for at least 2001 and 2002, in my opinion is very supportable. Those bills lacked the clause preventing the bill to overturn the Roe v Wade decision. The 2003 opposition is certainly less clear, but at that point, the federal bill already existed, making the issue moot in my opinion.
My republicans??? More Govt? Where do you get these things. I would never suggest someone have an abortion but at the same time I would never tell them not too. You talk about never being in another's shoes yet you call anyone with a different view then yours "a f*ucking moron." Talk about being closed-minded.
As for the more govt thing, I forget, which party wants free healthcare, more welfare, more taxes, etc.? Maybe you can enlighten me. Seems that you don't realize that the most restricted countries in the world are leftist. China comes to mind...
BTW I support neither candidate for now.
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THATS not the point, im Pro Choice, id let the woman decide, i dont think its my place to decide what a woman can do with her body.
Now, if it were my daughter and she was young, id support abortion.
there are MANY FAMILIES that believe that a LIFE IS A LIFE regardless of how it is created. Look at the CATHOLICS.
Im sorry but WE are in the minority on this subject, many people would keep the baby because a life is a life an their FAITH prevents them from "killing" it.
Now this is where the people differ, when is it a LIFE?
im not saying ia gree with HER position, but who are we to tell her she is wrong!?
WHat i dont get is how she is asked an opinion, and she answers it, and then you guys tell her her OPINION WITH HER OWN FAMILY WHO YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IS WRONG!
Poll Congress i bet 40% agree with her. MINIMUM
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No one in this thread is communicating. The main point is being agreed on by everyone, yet you are all still arguing and putting words into eachothers' mouths.
Everyone so far has said they are pro choice. No one said the democrats are going to make women have abortions. No one said the that the people of the US should decide what Palin's daughter should do with her baby.
Step back, read eachothers' posts, stop jumping to conclusions.
you don't make any sense in your post... you babbel w/o making points - i think you like putting spin on words then stating facts.
1) you say i'm "not for people making their own decisions" which never came out of my mouth. explain.
2) your trying to justify how someone who thinks raped(incest) victims should get over the fact and have their children isn't closed minded. explain.
i'm not closed minded for calling someone a "f*cking moron" for telling someone what to do w/ their body... i don't care what race/religion/party you are but NO ONE has the right to tell someone what they can/can't do w/ their own body. the issue with abortion is it infringes on personal rights - a persons body is not PUBLIC DOMAIN. republicans, Palin is a prime example how she is against BIG GOV'T yet she is totaly fine w/ over turning Roe vs Wade.
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mike your % you were using you used taking my words out of context... vast majority of pro-life supporters think abortion in rape/incest is OK so your 50% number doesn't mean much. i gave you a link to better % of this issue. about 10-20% of the population thinks abortion should be completely illegal. so Palin is not inline w/ majority of US on this issue.
i never said dem's aren't for big gov't but they don't run their campaigns trying to tell people they aren't for "BIG GOV" yet they feel they can tell you what to do w/ your body.
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I knew I could stir up this ****ing anthill.
I know women who chose to keep their children when they were raped because of family religious views. I also see how they resent those same children, and how negatively it effects them on a daily basis. I think that at the very least, abortion should be available for these situations. But what do I know? I'm so pro-choice that I've been called pro abortion.
Wow, that sounds similar the same lines that various people in this thread used towards the slavery topic. We ****ed over and treated your people like ****, but get over it, that was in the past man. No we aren't sorry, but just get over it.
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Oh no, here comes my religious views!!!!!!
Seriously, I don't feel that the Gov't should have a hand in this.
IF you are a religious person to whatever degree, take it up with the man (or men, or woman, or god's, etc) that you believe in. Life is too precious to be left up to other people, excluding the case of capital punishment.
Wow are you serious two completely unrelated issues and you bring that sh1t in here? I guess white people owe black people a lot?
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Wow are you serious two completely unrelated issues and you bring that sh1t in here? I guess white people owe black people a lot?
Anyway, my point is that telling people to get over things is not the best option, esp. if you have not walked in those shoes.
/discussion
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I think you are way off.
SLavery is a totally different topic but since you brought it up....
My opinion on slavery is that it was over 100 years ago. No one in this era has owned slaves.
I do think it was wrong, and one of mankinds worst atrocities, but that doesnt mean just BLACK slaves, that means slaves everywhere. SPanish, White, African, etc. It was all wrong.
As far as Americans role in slavery, there was a CIVIL war fought over it.
No one in this age should be SORRY, im not sorry because i never had slaves, how can i be sorry for something that happened over 100 years ago? I dont agree with it, but it happened over a century ago. this is the type of thinking that keeps the Islamics hating and fighting the jews. They dont even know why they hate each other, they just do.
I think America is pretty damn close to being an equal society. I think there is some petty thinking (on both sides) that keep the slavery topic still around when it shouldnt be. We should have moved past this along time ago.
I dont owe anyone reparations anymore than i owe the native americans anything.
And if you want to be really factual, Africans have been enslaving their own centuries before the white man ever stepped foot on their continent.
So, no, i dont owe any african american and apology or anything else because i didnt own slaves, my father didnt, my grandfather didnt, his father didnt, etc.
As much as i disagree with him, i think its great that in this day in age we see women and a black man running for president. Look how far we have come. that is something to be POSITIVE about, not negative.
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Statements like what? It was a joke, lol. OMG! Calm down.
RedGT (clarification only): I am one of most independant people you may ever get to exchange words with on the internet, lol. Trust me, I learned ALONG time ago....NO ONE OWES ME ANYTHING.
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Once again, I can agree with Mike! We have come along way.
Just to clarify, I never said whites owe blacks anything. Read any of my post about slavery and the notion of racism. I strongly believe that it is swept under the rug.
I quoted Pauls words to show the correlation between Abortion in this thread and remarks towards Slavery in other threads........YOU CAN'T TELL PEOPLE JUST TO GET OVER THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T RELATE TO. Never was I comparing the the two topics.
I would like for someone who has dealt with an abortion of their own to post here. That means the mother or the father! Not the cousin, the sister, nor the step daddy.
damn it....i voted no by accident.
I read it wrong. I thought it said is abortion bad even in that case.
Pro Choice here..
I bet if a black man raped her white daughter she would want an abortion..
Posting a reminder that i voted no because i read the question incorrectly.
I fully say YES.
Holy bring back thread batman!!!
....I am not even getting into this whole debate but I am 99% pro-life, 1% pro abortion. It's all about the circumstances. The main reason I am so against it, minus it being killing a life, but it is the fact that a HUGE majority of women that get abortions just done it b/c they were "not ready, or financially stable, or it was mixed, or WHATEVER" The point is. Close your fucking legs if you dont want to get pregnant. There are probably thousands of families looking to adopt a baby no matter how it was conceived!! Granted a woman being raped is a diff situation, but still. There is always adoption. I am not going to say yeah make your 14yr old daughter have a baby and keep it from being raped, but then again, why was your 14yr old daughter somewhere to get raped. Adoption is ALWAYS a choice with no strings attached.
/not my total belief. WAs just a short rant.
...bring on the hating.
.......oh and I am not voting b/c I do not totally agree with either answer. Each situation is different.
So what you're saying is that every single woman that gets pregnant, every time a woman gets pregnant, it's that woman's fault? That woman put herself in the predicament to get raped? Or molested? The women that are getting out of their cars at their homes and walking to their front doors and getting snatched up and raped put themselves in that predicament? It's not the rapists/molesters fault? So therefore the woman should have to bear not only responsibility but the child of her "faults?" That's kind of stupid thinking.Holy bring back thread batman!!!
....I am not even getting into this whole debate but I am 99% pro-life, 1% pro abortion. It's all about the circumstances. The main reason I am so against it, minus it being killing a life, but it is the fact that a HUGE majority of women that get abortions just done it b/c they were "not ready, or financially stable, or it was mixed, or WHATEVER" The point is. Close your fucking legs if you dont want to get pregnant. There are probably thousands of families looking to adopt a baby no matter how it was conceived!! Granted a woman being raped is a diff situation, but still. There is always adoption. I am not going to say yeah make your 14yr old daughter have a baby and keep it from being raped, but then again, why was your 14yr old daughter somewhere to get raped. Adoption is ALWAYS a choice with no strings attached.
What the fuck? It's a fucking YES/NO question to a simple YES/NO question. How could there be a disagreement? Later, QD.
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I really wish you would learn to read someones WHOLE point and not pick out bits and pieces. Then again...you are QD. That is wishful thinking.
NO I do not think its womans fault for being raped, etc. I was refering to the women that DO use abortion as a form of birth control after consenting to sex. Maybe I sway a lil off topic, but it did make sense. And its not a yes/no question IMO. There could be several factors to make me sway either way. So if I HAVE to say something to make QD happy, I choose No.
I didn't pick any goddamn thing out. You based your "reasoning" off something that had nothing to do with the question. I mean goddamn. The question was, and I'll put it in bold type so you you may easily understand, (I don't know):I really wish you would learn to read someones WHOLE point and not pick out bits and pieces. Then again...you are QD. That is wishful thinking.
NO I do not think its womans fault for being raped, etc. I was refering to the women that DO use abortion as a form of birth control after consenting to sex. Maybe I sway a lil off topic, but it did make sense. And its not a yes/no question IMO. There could be several factors to make me sway either way. So if I HAVE to say something to make QD happy, I choose No.
do you believe abortion is ok in rape/incest cases?
Nowhere in that question did I read anything about consensual sex or women using abortion as birth control. And how the fuck do you see that it is not a YES/NO question? Are you really as stupid as you're portraying yourself right now? What does your tiny little brain see that makes it not a YES/NO question? Later, QD.
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The only cases where the woman did not choose to get pregnant are in rape/molestation cases. I would allow for an abortion in those cases. The only other time I agree with abortion is when a pregnancy endangers the mother's life.
Any other time, adoption is a viable alternative and there is a huge shortage of newborns up for adoption.
Side note: Mother and biological father's permission should be obtained before an abortion is done. If the mother doesnt want it and the father does, then full custody could just go to him.
I agree with this in its entirety. I believe a woman should be able to do what she wants to, but if pressed, I think she should carry the child to term and give he/she up for adoption if she doesn't want the child.
Abortion for birth control is stupid and not a moral decision for a woman to make. Later, QD.
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wtf, Forcing a women to give birth. Wtf are you serious?
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