And energy policy translates to foreign experience. How can you guys defend her?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_125772.html
So.. she doesn't know what the Bush doctrine is..
And energy policy translates to foreign experience. How can you guys defend her?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_125772.html
Yea I have to agree this is not looking good for her or mccain.
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I disagree, i still think your missing the big picture.
Energy is a foreign policy problem. How can it NOT be? On one hand you want to say that oil prices are a global problem, then on the other its only a domestic issue?
How can it be both ways?
As far as the BUSH Doctrine, i think she knows what it is and knows what it means, i think Gibson was baiting her into a broad generalized question that there was no real answer too.
She answered the question at the end of it all.
These were pretty tough questions for a VP candidate, and i think she answered them all correctly.
Can we expect the LEFT to be this hard on Biden or Obama, prob not.
She got GRILLED by Gibson on the premise to me that shes gonna be the next president, npot VP
Im glad she got the hard questions and i think she handled it well. She did no worse nor any better than Obama did on Oreilly.
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I only got to see the part where she fumbled the bush doctrine and i kept screaming answer the question when Gibson grilled her about going into Pakistan while she danced around it. I think the answer she gave was ok simply because it was safe.
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Well, what people dont know, and im a military brat, is YES we will go into a country if we think we should without permission.
Sorry , welcome to the world we live in. Now Gibson doesnt want to hear that answer, but thats the hard truth.
Hell CLINTON sent people on covert operations without permission.
Again welcome to the year 2008
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X2 Like I said its a safe answer because it can be interpreted in a few different ways. BTW I'll be sending you a PM in a second.
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She did good. Definitely good enough that her support will not erode from this interview anyway. Keywords are poise, quick-thinking, smart, and absolutely fearless. Unafraid to offer her opinion. Bottom line: Not a lightweight, not at all. In fact, she's probably going to freak out the left even further when they realize she's not just a pretty face. if anything the fault would be in too much earnestness and forthrightness.
Interesting lead off question from Gibson about whether she thought she was really ready to be vice president. Tough question, because she either acknowledges her own alleged inadequacy, or she appears to be an egomaniac. She definitely leaned toward the ego side, but then gave the "right" answer that it was all about serving the country and if McCain thought she could help, that was good enough for her to answer the call.
Biden, by the way muffed this question yesterday by admitting that Hillary might have been a better pick.
The second part is basically exploring what evangelical Christians think of the war on Islamic terrorism and whether this is of God. This part was frankly uninteresting to me, because as a Christian myself, her answer was boilerplate Christian theology, although doubtless there are some freakout issues undetectable by the likes of me.
A style note on Gibson, I don't know whether there was sexism involved at all, but as he was looking down over his glasses at her, the image he was giving off was condescending and patronizing. Again, I don't know whether he would have done the same with any other VP, he certainly might have, but I can definitely see independent persuadable woman being very put off by Charlie Gibson's demeanor.
There will be more on Nightline tonight, GMA tomorrow, ABC world news and 20/20 tomorrow evening.Not her usual "she is just too good to be true" performance, but competent and confident. Her back-and-forth on the Bush Doctrine question was good, as it was clearly a trap question - either agree with Bush or come off seeming like you don't know enough.
Definitely not a softball interview. He kept coming back for the kind of specifics that no world leader would provide "exactly what would you do" or "is it our right" type things. She answered fine, but would be better off being a bit more aggressive in the reply, including pointing out that being overly specific on a hypothetical can be interpreted as a sort of threat and that's the kind of thing we need to avoid.I'm sure when they interview Obama they will ask him if he believes in socialism for our country with this EXACT quote:
This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably. Trade has been a cornerstone of our growth and global development. But we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many"I figured it would be a tough interview but I was totally taken back by Charlie Gibson's smug, snotty, attitude. It was like she had interrupted something important he was doing and he was being forced to interview her.
Like it was sooo below him.
I actually thought he was a pretty good anchor before, but I just think he's a jerk now.I thought she did well. I wonder what the etiquette is for telling an interviewer that his question is insipid. Seriously. When Mr. Gobson asked whether she would approve incursions into Waziristan, what could any candidate say other than "what are the facts supporting such an incursion?"
Waziristan is essentially a locally governed, autonomous region with no real ties to the Pakistani government. What is she supposed to say? "I'll approve such incursions in any situation"? "I'll never approve such incursions no matter what." Both would sound stupid but Gibson didn't provide any detail in his question that would allow a serious yes or no answer.
Anyone here who's an attorney knows how this game is played in depositions. The attorney conducting the deposition asks some broad question that could go any of a hundred ways depending upon unstated hypothetical facts and then laments that he's not receiving direct, detailed answers. Kinda sad. O'Reilly actually does a much better job because he allows a flow to develop between him and the interviewee.I'm listening to bits and pieces of it on the radio. It's obnoxious with Gibson asks her a question and she answers it and he asks the same question again and she gives the same answer and he slightly rephrases it and asks it a third time and she gives the same answer.This was the question about whether she thought she was prepared fo the job.
Also brought out is the fact that no one from the meda or left is attakcing Cohen for his stupid remarks and another congresscritter for a similar God is on our side reference.
I don't know why people including some of you morons,call Obama a great orator.I don't know why anyone calls his brillant. He can't think straight nor consistently or articualte what the hell his position is most of the time.This Bush Doctrine crap is inside baseball- only partisan dorks are gonna get their panties in a twist if she didn't nail it.EVEN THE LEFT LIBERALS are saying Charlie ****ed upThought Govenor Palin did fine, not great but good enough. Some of the questions were fair but that one, "Have you ever met any foreign leaders?" was crap. He just wanted to point out that she hadn't met any of the high-minded, sophistocrats that rightly run the world.
Wish she had said, "No, thank god I haven't had to endure that yet!"
This is seriously nuts. Palin asked Gibson to define what HE meant by it. (NOTE: Stellaa points out that Gibson tried the same game with Obama and Media Matters ripped Gibson for it then. Guess Sargent is ok with it when it is done to a Republican.) Indeed, her eventual answer to the question is extremely sensible (unlike Bush and McCain's actual policies) and smart politics. She did not accept the premise of Gibson's question and then gave a sensible answer to the question. This type of stuff is what is killing the Left blogs right now. They look like fools when they act this way. The video is on the flip.
Look how EASY gibson was on Obama 2 months ago! Totally biased and ABC news will just come off as biased and Gibson as a condescending asshat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAEnu89dxCY
I love how all the Left is goingto be tearing apart the BUSH DOCTRINE quote, like anyone knows what that is anyway. Plus, she asked him to claify it considering
1) It was a baited question
2) It was a baited BROAD question
3) She either agrees with the Bush Doctrine and gets condemned or she says she doesnt like it and shes unpatriotic.
The editing sucked too btw an they cut her off in midsentence a few times.
This was GOOD for palin, expect another jump in the polls on Mccains side.
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A sneak peek at Pt. 2 of the Gibson/Palin interrogation
Gibson: What do you think of the Constitution?
Palin: ...Could you be more specific?
Gibson: [stares over glasses]
Kos: OMG SHE DOESNT KNOW WHAT THE CONSTITUTION IS!!!!
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Dems SPINNING
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...jFiY2VmNDllMzQ
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Which "Bush Doctrine"? Are you asking about the doctrine first offered by Bush in his address to Congress after 9/11 ("with us or against us"), the one he put forward in his second inaugural ("democracies don't invade one another"), the one he's actually followed (sometimes I lose track and just fallback on #1 and #2), or the moral inversion peddled by the Left ("the REAL reason he's doing all this is blood for oil and dividing the country to win elections!" blah blah yadda yadda)?
Btw, how's that last one working for us, eh?
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damn mike get some sleep lol.
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how can anyone cry about the questions being "broad?" i mean, let's be serious for a minute...how much do we know about this woman? the biggest complaint conservatives have about obama interviews (and even biden), is the fact that he ellaborates on topics. prior to the DNC, obama never got into hardcore specifics on his policies, he let the people know that he knows what's going on in the world...and what did we always hear? "sure, he can talk about a topic, but doesn't tell what he's going to do about it." well, how can you make choices on something if you don't know what it's about, and can't articulate on it? by the time the time of the DNC, he was doing nothing but explaining his plans and policies, and has been doing so on EVERY SPEECH EVER SINCE.
how can there even be a such thing as "asking too hard of a question for a VP?" that's the most ridiculous complaint i've ever heard. OH NO! HE'S BEING TOO HARD ON HER! BOO HOO! like i said man, there's nothing we know about this woman who's running for a position, that could ultimately leave our country in her hands. that job never has a definitive answer, it's more about what you know and making APPROPRIATE decisions based off of that.
she backs her foreign policy deal with oil??? are you serious? the dude even gave her a hint by mentioning her role in the national guard, and her need to elaborate on that. NO...she carries on about how alaska is responsible for 20% of our domestic oil...yeah, ok...fine and good. ok palin...so tell us what ahcievements you've made in our domestic oil market, with positive rewards on foreign policy issues? anyone can be a chairman/overseer...but WHAT SORT OF PLANS/ACTIONS DID SHE IMPLEMENT IN HER LESS THAN 2 YRS ON THE JOB? that dude gave her endless opportunities to tell the american people about herself, and she failed. they should've given her a teleprompter and flash cards.
Truth hurts.. thats all I'll say. And the hit dog is going to cry.
And media bias? Charlie Gibson was apart of that ambush of a debate where they went light on Clinton but extremely harsh on Obama and he took it.
Energy is a domestic issue... if it was global then everyone would be feeling the issue as we are and they aren't.
Trying to establish her leader of the world she fell very short.... when McCain was asked about her "foreign policy credentials" he said "she is close to RUSSIA?" WTF kind of answer is that.
I have been to more countries then Palin has and your expecting her to run the greatest world power?
The answers to the questions to me sounded very rehearsed as she tried to name drop where possible and she fell very very short when asked about Bush Doctrine. There is not response you can make to make up for her lack of knowledge. Furthermore Gibson interview is far easier then Orielly interview.
but the other day when i said the world was in an econmic down turn over rising energy costs, you said you agreed with that statement.
why the different opinion now?
Tony, i was merely posting responses for all the different websites, the overwhelming reaction is that she handled it well, and the Left will look for stuff to pick apart.
The overwhelming response was that she didnt hurt anything, and if you were the independant voter, you dont care about the BUSH DOCTRINE question anyway.
95% of American doesnt know what it is, and as i posted, all she did was ask for clarification then answered the question fine.
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I still find it absolutely hilarious that you guys [the right] keep comparing her with Obama instead of Biden.
Just in case you forgot....she's running for VP, so quite putting her against Obama more than you do your POTUS candidate.
This shows that the Repubs have absolutely no faith in McCain. Or at least that's what it' communicating.
This isn't the worst summer I've had around Savannah.
Parris Island '01 - now that was one hell of a summer.
of course the world has seen a down turn b/c WE have seen downturn... many global markets depend on us CHINA for one. energy is a domestic issue that has global effects. it is domestic due to all of the regulations/policies we have in place.
and you are dead wrong anyone w/ a mind knows her interview was horrible. it was about as bad as her stating "can someone tell me what the VP does"... trust me that will probably come in the debates.
dude its fine if you want someone who doesn't have a clue to run your nation but don't make it sound like she is a good canidate. mccain had tons of excellent choices for VP and republicans went w/ strategy over experience. now you guys have no leg to stand on against obama.
you do realize its the MEDIA that is portraying her as the next president because they are saying Mccain is going to die right?
They are attacking hre more than any other VP Candidate in history, why, cause they are scared she just cost them the election.
Its not the right comparing her to Obama, its the MEDIA
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PLEASE PAUL PLESE TELL ME WHY OBAMA IS SO MUCH MORE QUALIFIED
HE HASNT RUN A BUSINESS
HE HASNT ANY EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE
HE HASNT PROPOSED OR WRITTEN ANY LAWS
Fu.ck man on paper hes worse than her.
Oh but hes met a few heads of state, so that qualifies him.
The Bias is amazing
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No...it's you [the right]
This isn't the worst summer I've had around Savannah.
Parris Island '01 - now that was one hell of a summer.
Again...it's not just the media....it's you [the right].
This isn't the worst summer I've had around Savannah.
Parris Island '01 - now that was one hell of a summer.
WOW i LOL at ANYONE that thinks its the RIGHT (which i am not) that is propagting these rumors and attacks.
I bet you think she is getting fair treatment too dont you
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you can't justify her by pointing fingers else where... this has been discussed many many times. obama is more then qualified to be commander and chief. if you want to support why she is qualified go right ahead. if she was so qualified she would of been on the ticket as president. i will make a thread on what the president does and i will post my response there.
did you even watch the interview? there is no way you can say it went well.
no...just inciting dissent.
I do think she's inviting it by breaking every PR rule in the book.
Full disclosure my ass.
This isn't the worst summer I've had around Savannah.
Parris Island '01 - now that was one hell of a summer.
Oh come on dont skirt the question.
By your logic Biden has more experience than OBama.
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Biden DOES have more experience than Obama.
Except in one area - winning primaries.
Unfortunately for him....that's the "experience" that matters.
This isn't the worst summer I've had around Savannah.
Parris Island '01 - now that was one hell of a summer.
On the topic of interview bias, screw it. Hard question or easy question, that is when you should shine. People act as if the questions are not expected. McCains camp ran the risk of pulling her, no one knows her, so of course she is going to get the treatment. As I said last week, if she is such a qualified hard ass she will be fine.
She choked, Obama didn't, there is your comparison! So what IF he dodged a DIRECT answer to the question. He gave enough of an intelligent answer to the topics. Now he is spilling out his plans, now those interview are getting the answers they REALLY wanted.
They are digging their own hole, worrying too much about how to out wit the Obama camp. They need to school her on the issues before the next camera gets in her face. They haven't even asked the controversial questions yet!
exactly. I've said all along i think Biden is the best one on the ticket - you see you haven't heard sh!t about him; no hype no bad press...
Werd.....see the presidential post for my breakdown, lol.exactly. I've said all along i think Biden is the best one on the ticket - you see you haven't heard sh!t about him; no hype no bad press...
When the media REFUSES to ask tough questions to Obama, then its pretty easy to post as you said.
Look, go WATCH the video that i posted of Obama being interviewed but Gibson. Gibson didnt press him AT ALL. No way in the same manner as he did to Palin.
Look at Oreillys interview with Obama, the only one by far that has PRESSED Obama the way Palin was pressed.
AN who is the presidential candidate?
At least Oreilly was fair, Gibson just sat there repeating the questions in a condescending tone to make it APPEAR she was an idiot and he was smarter.
Im sorry folks look pass the partisan stuff, she did well
Im calling a bump in the polls for her an mccain
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Oreilly fair?he talks sh!t about people until they come on his show and then he trys ripping them apart. Palin was asked simple questions and Gibson wanted simple answers. Palin went off on a tangent a few times. You can see her distress in her manorisms.
Don't get me wrong, I dig what you are saying. I left out an important part though. Obama's speeches are very broad and elaborate. He discloses MUCH more information. There is not much that can be asked that he has not said. If anything he is long winded, lol.
Palin ran into this election with a full head of steam and set herself up. She bragged, talked trash, and hopped on the scene in the wrong manner. If the recent articles and speeches were not her words, then her communications director hung her out to dry. She slung mud before substance; trying to discredit Obama before she established herself.
The McCain camp is taking their time picking and chosing what she can/cannot say, but the people want to know who she is. Their strategies are constantly backfiring since they picked her. McCain was better off being the Pres and Veep.
you cannot be serious.
Obama discloses MORE INFORMATION?
He hasnt answered a question with a direct plan EVER.
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did yiou not see the interview? Obama fumbled many topics, the radical relationship segment was funnyOreilly fair?
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When he gives a spech, he gives alot. It minimizes many questions. Direct answers defeats the purpose of the election tactics. No Presidential candidate has spewed thier complete plan up front, they always lead up to it. McCain has not either!
As for O'Reily, I am pretty sure that if Obama had the chance to SPEAK he would have given more answers, lol. I watched the interview......O'Reily fair my patooty. If the answer was not given the way O'Reily wanted he was interrupted. At least Gibson gave Palin a decade to formulate some type of BS answer; by not,she made herself appear like an idiot.
When Obama did get the chance to answer he answered intelligently and with a firm grip on specific issues.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6la5eSYtdI
Charlie Gibson actually took it to Obama during that debate, matter of fact he asked one of the best questions I've heard asked of Obama..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSDBu35K-8
and I didn't like his response. Nonetheless this whole "Obama gets a pass" idea is BS, just admit that even if he does sidestep an issue he doesn't look like a deer in headlights while doing it.
^^^^yep.....Palin looked like Gibson was speaking Hebrew.
ya i watched it he did fumble on some answers but all politicians do; issue with palin is she looked like deer in headlights. i don't think there would of been so much buzz about it but she has been made out to be the savior of the ticket - she gets more press then mccain and he is on top of the ticket.
Oreilly was down his throw alot of the interview - honestly i was waiting for Obama to stand up and give him the pimp hand
Link to O'Reily's thougts after the interview. He earned Bill's respect
http://www.billoreilly.com/newslette...D49D?pid=24183
With that said, Obama did not back down or fall prey to the typical O'Reily way: Catch em off guard and keep pouring it on.
Obama would stop, think, then answer. Bill is know for getting people amped up to spew BS and screw themselves. He handled himself very well IMO.
In my view Obama is much like many black preachers....he talks alot, gestures, says lots of words, the people clap, wave their hands and say 'amen'...but at the end of the day doesnt say much at all. The term 'fluffer' comes to mind.
Not saying Palin is good either, just sayin. Her wacky religious views should be a concern and are to me.
Biden is likely the best debater but winning a debate doesnt mean youre good or have the right ideas for the country...it just means youre good at debate.
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